If we lose the Congress, what then?

I vacillate as to whether we will lose either or both of the houses of Congress, but fear we might. Was never that concerned with the Senate as a loss there appeared unlikely. Until recently, I did not believe that we would fail in the House, now the pundits — right leaners included — are forecasting 16-20 seats lost. First hopeful/confident, then deflated. The leftward skew/drift of the polls wears me down.

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I have long berated the President and Congress for their half hearted attempts to govern and accomplish what they were elected to do – a term and a half of GWBs two terms dissipated. That is not to say we did not have successes : taxes, GWOT, two good Supremes; but we could have accomplished so much more with a backbone implant. Now, contemplating the prospect of losing the mantle of power (which we ill used), how will Republicans, Conservatives, etc., cope if the left’s vision comes to pass, and how will the country fare?

Even though our past attempts at stemming the flood of illegal aliens were feeble at best, those efforts will look positively forceful in comparison to what will come. With Democrats in place there will be wholesale amnesty, no enforcement of existing immigration laws, and free access to all social services - for anyone who chances to be here. And, there will be a move to award the vote in future elections to anyone who can find a polling place. Tacit citizenship for those 15-20 Million who aren’t now legalized ? Felons voting from death row? And I was dissatisfied with Republicans? Wow, what will the polls look like in 08? Not too good for our side, I venture.

This administration has not pursued the war on terror with sufficient vigor, nor with common sense at times, but not for the lack of trying - overall it has done much of that which needed doing after 9/11. With Democrats controlling the purse along with the House, our efforts to defend the country and win this war reach a roadblock and fall dead in the water. At that point, withdrawal. I suggest we batten down the hatches thereafter.

There are many other examples to use, and contrasts to draw, between what we have and what we may have after this election, but I am sure you get the picture.

If congress shifts, the other side will do that which they can to impose their weltanschauung on the country, as they should. Perhaps I have the cart leading the horse, but am genuinely troubled about reversing the polarity of this country’s political landscape in these times. And, I imagine the Democrats felt the same in 2000. The coming change on the conduct of the war, alone, will imperil us. The coming changes on immigration could ensure our culture is forever changed.

If the election goes as presently forecast, I for one may long for the days of squishy Senators and underachieving. How will our side react? Will we say comity and reason be damned and obstruct? Will we fight their efforts as they have fought ours, or will we submit and earn a second 40 years in the wilderness.

Posted by Seminole 6 at October 28, 2006 10:00 AM
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Comment #191079

I would like to chastise the Republicans, but not at the price of electing Dems. The Dems did not improve during their time in the wilderness. On the contrary, they seemed to have moved left and become even more squishy.

Say what you want about Tip O’Neil, but at least he was not an airhead like Nancy Pelosi. If you imagine what you will get with the Dems, it is frightening.

The Dems have wisely not told us what they will do, or more correctly they told us lots of different things. Would they pull out of Iraq? When and how? They get the plus of saying they will do “something” about Iraq, but do not suffer from saying what. What about the economy? How much better can they make it and how? The Dems complain about deficits. What would the cut? Which taxes would they raise?

I think it is likely the Republicans will lose the House, although I think we will keep the Senate. The Dems will flop around in the House trying to explore and fix blame for everything they think went wrong in the past. They are backward looking. We will suffer. The only consolation is that the Dems will lose the ability to complain w/o consequence.

Posted by: Jackj at October 28, 2006 10:47 AM
Comment #191085

There are greater issues that divide our great Country now than when we were embrawled in Civil War in the 1800’s. I fear for what some might be willing to fight and die for. We have effectively polarized both sides of the debate to the point that we “both” think that we are the good guys, and for the good of the country we must push our agenda. The Bible is clear on most of the issues that we are divided on but “The Bible” is of no use to at least 1/2 of our country. When we return to the principles that made our country great and try to let His ways be our ways then all will benefit from a Government that is sensitive to the will of the people. But if the will of the people is to slaughter innocent unborn children or give the right to marry to anyone who wishes to pervert marriage (as God intended it to be) then “only” God will be able to save us! I pray that we will factor common sense into the equasion. We don’t need higher thinkers/ Harvard educated men and women to tell us what is best for us. Our lawmakers have proven this too many times. Capitol Hill is emitting an ominous odor that can only be purged at the voting booth. We must vote for men/women that will preserve the sanctity of life and safeguard our pursuit of happiness and realize in that pursuit of happiness we must use our Christian values to serve ALL of the people. We now serve special interest and strong lobbyists that may or may not have the best interests of the “whole” in mind. Stop abandoning the principles and values that made America great. We must do this for our own sake as well as our children/grand children!

Posted by: Larry at October 28, 2006 10:58 AM
Comment #191090

Seminole 6,

Please, felons voting from death row? Immigration disaster? I really don’t think you will see huge changes in immigration policy if the Democrats win one or both houses, and your president will still have veto power. Even if the Dems do take control of a house, it’ll be just the slimmest margin. Regardless, I think your fears are unfounded — we’ll see more centrist governance, I think. And this liberal doesn’t want to see whosescale amnesty or non-enforcement of immigration laws.

Even though I call myself a liberal, I truly do not want the Democrats to have longterm sole control of all the major branches of government. Ideally, the major political parties should counterbalance each other. From your article, I think we share a regret that the Republicans, whom I grew up believing were the party of fiscal restraint, have fallen away from that ideal. As a Democrat, it was easier to entertain lofty ideals if I knew the Republicans could be counted on to negate some excesses. Look, neither party has sole access to the truth; they need each other. We’ve got to find a way to work together. That doesn’t mean that when we think Republicans are waaaaay off base, as with some of its actions during the Bush administration, that we shouldn’t strongly object. But there are many areas where we should be working together. I don’t know. I for one really do hope centrist/moderate Republicans can gain more control and bring the party closer to what I think is realistic policies.

Some of the right, and I’m not accusing you of this, think Dems/liberals just hate hate hate anything Republican. But that is not true of most of us. It’s a cliche, but some of my best friends are Republicans, and we manage to debate without acrimony. Much of the time, though, we just drink beer and play poker.

Posted by: Trent at October 28, 2006 11:20 AM
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How can you say that the last 6 years under GWB have been a waste? We have come so far. We now have real bankrupcy laws in place that prevent the crooks from running up debt and having it erased every 7 years. We have a drug plan for seniors for the first time in history. We have reasonable enviornmental laws that ensure that a spotted snail won’t prevent development at the cost of jobs. We have energy policy that maintains our way of life. We have rules in place that will lower the cost of insurance over the long haul by increasing competition. We didn’t cave into Al Gore and is BS global warming crap.

Posted by: Jake290 at October 28, 2006 11:22 AM
Comment #191093

You have got to be kidding me? Successes? Taxes. Yup, your right,(no pun intended) the wealthy sure did get a break there. Two good supremes? Yes again. Both driving with the right turn signal stuck in that direction. Good, fair and inpartial, I’m sure. War on terror? You must watch Fox news only? Its hard for me to write “Fox” and “news” in the same sentence. We have done nothing more for terror other than to encourage more to sign up for the task of fighting Americans. This administration has done nothing but run up debt, rob money from the coffers of many vital programs in this land, leaving average citizens struggling to make it, while the wealthy prosper as never before. Create jobs? Ya, you need two or three just to make ends meet now. Which brings me the illigal alians. This has been a problem for years, but who cares? These folks are picking our fruit and vegetables, cleaning off our tables and washing the dishes. Where are your kids and what were they doing in there teens and twentys? Those are the jobs our kids should have been doing to “earn” money for school and cars. What? EARN? Not my kid. Ya, look at em now. Fat, arrogent and lazy. Great job we hav done with our kids. Don’t blame the alians coming to this country trying to make a living, look in the mirror. That problem would not have been as bad as it is now, if we had made our kids take some responsibility. Adults too, for that matter. There are millions without work. Need a job? Get out there and pick vegetables. We have prisons full of cheap labor if need be. There has been a 60% increase in corruption in government in the last 5 years. Congradulations! You must be so proud. We gave you a chance and look what you,ve done with it. Republicans with all that they controlled, could have shown us what they are made of and done well with this country. Yes, they have shown us what they are made of allright. Thats why your going to have to try extra special hard to steal this election too.

Posted by: middleman at October 28, 2006 11:24 AM
Comment #191099

Seminole 6, the tax cuts were part of the cause of the doubling of the national debt, which threatens the middle classe’s children’s work futures and earnings.

Jury is still out on the 2 Supremes. Haven’t seen enough out of them yet to say one way or the other.

That leaves GWOT. What the heck is GWOT ? I don’t get GWOT. Or, I forGWOT what GWOT is. GWOT, it is tough debating with acronyms. :-)

I am with you on the Dem’s and illegal immigrants. Though, I am fairly sure both parties will commit to a secured barrier one way or another. It is the next big election albatross hanging around whichever party is in control when the next terrorist strike occurs. And it will. Both parties are playing Russian Roulette with our porous borders.

Posted by: David R. Remer at October 28, 2006 11:32 AM
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Seminole 6, as for your angst regarding the war on terror, I think you have drunk to much of Karl Rove’s Kool Aid. Democrats will not pull away from the War on Terror. They will follow in Bush’s and Republican Congress’ lead in setting benchmarks and time tables for the Iraqis to get their act together. Unlike Republicans however, Democrats will back up that threat of hitting benchmarks and time tables with action to strategically withdraw.

By that I mean, they will resolve, with a fair number of Congressional Republicans, I might add, to remove our forces from their civil war if they don’t meet the marks, while leaving contingency forces in, or near Iraq to protect the oil infrastructure and the seat of government from being overthrown. The concensus to pull out of Iraq by the Dem. doves, is insufficient to actually force Bush’s hand. The concensus by moderate and hawkish Democrats with moderate Republicans will be sufficient in number to guide Bush’s course in Iraq under threat of withdrawing funding for other programs Bush will want to add to his legacy.

So, in reality, I don’t think you need to fret so much. Rove would have you think Murtha is a cut and run artist. He isn’t. From the beginning he has espoused the plan above, as have a great number of professionals within from our military, within our CIA, form left and right think tanks, and from Congressional Democrats and a few Republicans. That concensus will come into existence, because there are no other rational or affordable choices.


Posted by: David R. Remer at October 28, 2006 11:51 AM
Comment #191109

If the dems take over Congress this election then hopefully the can address the issues that brought them back into the loop. The deficit, stop the stupidity of the neocon war on terror and start a realistic plan for preventing terrorism in this country. Stop the privitization of our government,eliminate or reduce corporate welfare, stop the no bid contracts, create a level playing field for the middle class. If not they certainly know where the door is.
Anything, even if it is gridlock has to be better than the pathetic display of the repubs/cons the last 6 years.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 28, 2006 12:08 PM
Comment #191111

David,

It seems even you have forgotten that the 9/11 murderers were here legally. The problem with illegal aliens is economic and the effects of their being “criminals” simply by being here without a visa.

Seminole,

I have the perspective of “When we win congress”. The politics of fear seems to have done a good job on you.

Posted by: Dave1-20-09 at October 28, 2006 12:10 PM
Comment #191118

Dave1-20-09, you seem to have forgotten all the procedures and intelligence put in place to prevent them from coming in legally again, haven’t you.

What about the Hezbollah coming across illegally from Mexico? They are no less a potential threat than al-Queda. It is a multi-faceted problem terrorists pose, requiring a multi-faceted strategy to surveil, interdict, prevent, defund, and surgically strike cells where find them.

Do we know what the Lebanese crime ring in Michigan busted a few weeks ago was amassing all that money for? They say it was not for any terrorist activity. Think they are the only group in operation, here, legally and illegally?

Offense over there, is not a defense here at home. That Bushian illogic never did make sense. Yes, we need to battle terrorist organizations overseas, but, it is the height of folly to leave our front and back doors wide open as we sleep.

Posted by: David R. Remer at October 28, 2006 12:37 PM
Comment #191121

David

No I haven’t forgotten about the Bushian response to 9/11. But, who says the terrorists aren’t already here? Do you really think a fence will keep them out? Do you not agree that the Bushian policies are creating more terrorists overseas? Doesn’t it then follow that those policies are creating more of those already here?
I happen to agree that there is a “problem of illegal aliens” I just think the problems have far less to do with terrorism and much more to do with creating an underclass.
BTW, very atypical of you to imply that a Lebanese crime ring was terrorist without having to say so and then using it to support your point about illegals being related to terrorism. Especially when there was no link to terrorism and you used loaded words like “amassing” Since when do you speak Republican :-) ?

Posted by: Dave1-20-09 at October 28, 2006 12:53 PM
Comment #191125

My Name Is Roger

LARRY:

As I am writting this it is just a little after 12 noon.

As I look at the comments, I can see that there have not as of yet been a lot, maybe it is because it is Saturday and everyone is sleeping in.

BUT I AM SURE AS SOON AS THEY DO START TO READ WHAT [YOU] HAVE SAID [YOU] WILL RECEIVE A LOT OF NEGATIVE RESPONCE.

So before all of the nagative [anti God] and [anti Christ] and [anti Bible] Propoganda starts I would like to say.

THANK YOU

I wish I had written what you have just written.

Keep in mind when the nagative propogands starts, there are two things you cannot argue with

IGNORANCE and STUPITY

Roger a Conservative Christian Republican

Posted by: ROGER at October 28, 2006 1:04 PM
Comment #191137

Seminole,

I think that a defeat might be just the thing for the Republican Party. It will remind them of how they got to be in power in the first place and remind them that those who put them in power expect some results. Also, I’m willing to bet money that the Democrats will go so far overboard to the left that in 2008 they’ll get voted out again and possibly split along moderate/radical lines. The Democrats have shown profound foolishness over the last 12 years, and I don’t think they’ve got an smarter. I think the Republicans got complacent and forgot who made them the majority. A solid hit to the jaw ought to remind them of their responsibilities. If the Democrats don’t win, they might as well just give up and dissolve as a party.

Posted by: 1LT B at October 28, 2006 2:05 PM
Comment #191143

Larry,
Seminole6 makes no mention of religion much less the Bible or God. Your sense of some sort of divine blessing making the United States great is truly puzzling.

Roger,
Why do you insist on making up bogeymen? Calling people ignorant, stupid, and negative(nagative? am I nagging you?) in the face of actual thoughtful and moderate comments is the divisive talk you supposedly abhor. Not very christian of you.

Posted by: chris2x at October 28, 2006 2:30 PM
Comment #191144

1LTB,
Perhaps its not defeat for the repubs as much as a victory for the American people. Our system seems to operate better when there is checks and balances in place. The reason our Country has taken such a disaterous turn the last few years is due to 1 party control. Hopefully we can get some balance this election year. It is what is best for the Country.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 28, 2006 2:36 PM
Comment #191153

Seminole,

While your criticisms of the Republican party’s tenure in office is accurate, you’re simply making up a platform that the Democrats do not stand for. “Wholesale Amnesty”? “Voting from Death Row”? “Efforts to defend the country falling dead in the water”? All B.S. Do you have any shame in attributing false positions on people?

I know we are getting close to Halloween, but drop the boogey-man tactics. When your own party has been able to do very little correctly in the last 6 years of unchecked power, your only defense is to paint a distorted picture of the other side to try and make them look worse.

Posted by: Burt at October 28, 2006 3:21 PM
Comment #191165

Dave1-20-09
“The politics of fear…”

Your link is great. I especially liked reading “The Sandbox” (articles written by soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan). More people should read this.

Posted by: Don at October 28, 2006 3:56 PM
Comment #191173

Don,
Thanks so much for mentioning the sandbox in the cartoon link. Everyone in America should read those posts. Unbelievably powerful!! Thanks again for pointing that out.

Posted by: Steve Miller at October 28, 2006 4:39 PM
Comment #191183

Im tired of hearing the dems sayingthat the tax cuts were for the rich. The truth is dems think that anyone earning a paycheck is rich. Everyone who pays taxes got a tax cut. As for those folks suggesting that republican will loose the house and the senate. Not true. If you listen to the main stream (527) media lovingly reffered to as the dems propaganda machine you would think the election is over, yet no one voted yet. I believe that we may loose 1 seat in the house and maybe one seat in the senate. The seat we loose in the senate will be offset by Lieberman the Independent. Th etruth about elections is that the dems have to bus their people to the poles the republicans go on their own.

Posted by: Thomas at October 28, 2006 5:06 PM
Comment #191184

Seminole6 - your post reminds me of how the Democrats used to think before they got swept out of power in 1994 by Gingrich and his new conservative ideas. When party comes to believe it has some inherent right to be in power, it is time for that party to go. It seems to me that Republicans want to stay in power, just to stay in power. If your message and political ideas are as strong as you believe, no election can eradicate them, nor is being in “control” of the House or Senate even needed. True power comes from the people, and the people will decide on who exercises their power. Already conservatives are lamenting how “dumb” people are to believe so-called liberal lies. But these are the same people who swept you into power in 1994 - have they suddenly gotten stupid? Of course not. Your message no longer resonates with the majority and you only have to look in the mirror to see why. I do agree with your asessment that Republicans failed to enact enough of their real goals during the past 6 years. The problem as I see it is that the Republican majority chose instead to reward their political benefactors and their financiers. I suspect this is axactly why the people - the seat of true power - are likely to show them the door. I can only hope that if the Dems follow the sme pattern, they will get booted out as well.

Posted by: SteveK at October 28, 2006 5:09 PM
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A mistake can be understood if the feeling is there that a person understands it; that time was not on the side of a better thought-out response; that the person had no way of knowing better; that they did not have the means with which to achieve their goal properly available to them. These, among other measures, allow us to examine our bad choices.

In Bush and Congress’s case, we cannot be certain that they truly understand their error to be wrong, that they understand their mistake and are not going to repeat it. We know that they had years, in reality, to handle Saddam, not merely a few months. There was no immediate, imminent threat that had to be struck before the opportunity was lost to prevent a catastrophe.

As for whether they knew better, just about every claim and mistake made by the Bush administration was spoken and committed with others having advised from expert positions the foolishness of what they were going to do. They cannot claim It’s all just hindsight with the foresight of so many at their disposal.

As for having the means available to them, they denied themselves that. They purposefully fought measures to have the army twice as large when they invaded. They invaded, having no confirmed WMD sites which they could nail down, put under guard and rip open to show the world that the doubters were wrong. They invaded, failing to plan out the reconstruction and occupation, a failure that ensured not the brief stay they sought but the long slog that they and everybody else wanted to avoid.

Most importantly they’ve had the chance to correct those mistakes long afterwards, and they’ve continued to procrastinate on it, lashing out at critics instead of taking care of the critical mistakes in time enough to prevent the problems from become chronic, entrenched.

So, the mistake here cannot be so easily put aside because at many steps, they made their mistakes worse. this is not the only place where they’ve done that. On Taxes, looking to make a crowd pleasing statement of conservative virtues, they cut taxes just as both economy and our fortunes in the world took a nose dive. Then they took the unprecedented step of cutting taxes during a war, an especially expensive one at that. Mistake compounds mistake.

The failures of their policies are structural. They don’t set up good bureaucracy, they center their priorities on things other than the job at hand, they let politics get in the way of critical tasks, and many of their leaders think way too highly about themselves, and often enter office or their appointment believing it’s their job to save the world, or reform it regardless of what the heretics running the place think. It becomes necessary to destroy the government in order to save it.

The problem comes when people need and want the government to help them, to help America face it’s challenges as a nation. The Republicans were fine as long as crises and problems were nice enough to keep themselves manageable, or to go away on their own. But then, the pressures of the real world imposed themselves, and all the weakness of their leadership became evident in the government’s inability to deal with the problems at hand.

The Republicans talked a good game for years. Now Americans are no longer concerned with what they’re saying. Now they simply want results. Having failed to deliver, Americans want somebody else in charge. They still want the results, and woe be it to the people who don’t deliver this time around. The competition is no longer a war of words, but a contest of skill: who can really face the challenges ahead.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at October 28, 2006 6:40 PM
Comment #191197

Thomas-
Follow the money: who got the most money? We got a few percentages off a lower bracket. The rich got brackets eliminated, and other brackets reduced at rates which meant they’d see tens or even hundreds of thousands more dollars in savings.

But If don’t like that fact, you can reject this reality and substitute your own.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at October 28, 2006 6:44 PM
Comment #191199

Stephen-

So following your logic if the rich mans taxes are cut buy 10,000.00 your saying the man who pays 10,000.00 should pay nothing? I would like someon to verify a fact for me. Is it not true that the Dems were the ones who voted to tax social security by 50% and the voted again to raise the tax on social security to 85%. 50 republicans voted no—-50 dems. voted yes ans so Al Gore cast the deciding vote to tax ss at the 85% rate. Please tell me how that hurts the rich. The problem is the dems havent met a tax that they didnt like. They think they can tax their way out of debt. The tax cuts acually increased revenue to the federal government. The debt has been cut in half sooner than was anticapated.

Posted by: Thomas at October 28, 2006 6:59 PM
Comment #191208

Jackj – Very good points. I too am past chastising Republicans at the cost of losing the Congress. The Democrats will likely get the House and perhaps they will flounder as you suggest. My underlying concern is whether we will we take our Caspar Milktoast / loyal opposition approach; or will we play scorched earth as they have, and attempt to regain ascendancy in 08.

Posted by: Seminole 6 at October 28, 2006 7:32 PM
Comment #191209

Ooohhhh, Thomas, I sure hope you come back here on Nov. 8 to eat those words, instead of slinking off in silence never to own up to the error of them.

The House is going to the Democrats. That seems pretty clear at this moment in time. The Senate is still very much a toss-up, leaning slightly toward Republicans keeping it this last week or so.

Of course the terrorists, seeing the divided nation which Republicans have wrought upon the U.S., may decide to further their interests with a little Nov. 5 surprise, to insure their recruiting buddy Republicans keep both houses of Congress tilting the public toward their perception of Republicans as the law and order party. But, barring that, the House is going to the Democrats in all liklihood. Select any reputable polling firm right and left, they say this same thing.

Posted by: David R. Remer at October 28, 2006 7:34 PM
Comment #191212

Larry – cannot fault your assessment. Our society - right vs. left, is way past polarization and we may well come to rue the day scorched earth politics became acceptable.

Posted by: Seminole 6 at October 28, 2006 7:39 PM
Comment #191218

Trent – I hope you are right – centrist would be desirable in these times. From my perspective, the Democrats have been so embittered since 2002, they feel no desire for anything except to undo everything resembling rational government policy. Again, from my perspective, the Michael Moore wing has captured leadership of the Democratic party and no power exists to steer to the center. I would have the same dread of the future if the “ somewhat to the right of Attila” wing steered our side.

I find myself agreeing with most of what you say and yes, fiscal restraint is a thing of the past for politicians of any stripe – to the detriment of us all. Thanks for your cogent comments, there is hope for us yet.

Posted by: Seminole 6 at October 28, 2006 8:09 PM
Comment #191220

Don, Steve,

You’re welcome. Here’s the post I liked the most:

No one in my unit was hurt or killed yesterday, no mortars or rockets hit the FOB, and I fell asleep with a satisfying sense of fatigue and a firm optimism about the days to come. Before bed I sat at my desk -– an ugly thing made of plywood and two by fours –- in the light of a small lamp and composed some letters. My eyes welled up because it’s difficult to write letters that you only want to be read if you die. I started with one to my Dad…

Posted by: Dave1-20-09 at October 28, 2006 8:10 PM
Comment #191222

I have the perspective of “When we win congress”. The politics of fear seems to have done a good job on you.

Posted by: Dave1-20-09 at October 28, 2006 12:10 PM
___________________________

Dave - I must admit I laughed when I read your comment- good zing. I may be spooked a bit, but also am a realist. We have done much that was right, but very little has gone right lately.

Posted by: Seminole 6 at October 28, 2006 8:27 PM
Comment #191223

David R -

“Of course the terrorists, seeing the divided nation which Republicans have wrought upon the U.S., may decide to further their interests with a little Nov. 5 surprise, to insure their recruiting buddy Republicans keep both houses of Congress tilting the public toward their perception of Republicans as the law and order party.”

Sad.
I thought you were for throwing out both Dems and Reps. But the truth is out, you’re just a Dem in sheep’s clothing.

Truth is, that the Dems/libs are the recruiting buddies of the terrorists. That has been abundantly clear for some time. But being a typical Dem/lib, you turn that truth around.

Truth is the Reps AND Dems divided the nation. It is an equal guilt.

I laughed out loud when I read your paragraph.

I suspect the House will go to the Democrats, though they have no unified plan and have done nothing to deserve it. I would rather the Libertarian Party took over (even though I’m not a Libertarian). They, at least, have a plan.

Posted by: Don at October 28, 2006 8:30 PM
Comment #191226

Burt – I know I tend to dramatize, and I do go with conservative shibboleths at times. However, Democratic platforms and goals are all about former and present felon voting, and no voter ID no way, which allows anyone (think illegal aliens) to vote. Most assuredly, if the Democrats take the House, you and I both know the war will be undercut by defunding. When that happens the troops must be withdrawn (think Viet Nam).

Posted by: Seminole 6 at October 28, 2006 8:47 PM
Comment #191230

Don said,

I suspect the House will go to the Democrats, though they have no unified plan and have done nothing to deserve it. I would rather the Libertarian Party took over (even though I’m not a Libertarian). They, at least, have a plan.

I’m tired of this. The truth is, in the face of Mess-o-potamia, neither party has much of a plan to fix things. At least the dems will try something different. Dems have rallied around their own plans (better port security, raise the minimum wage, take congressional oversight of spending in this war seriously, etc.) but it won’t fix Iraq.

Don, please illuminate us to the Republican “unified plan” being talked about other than “stay-the-course” and protecting tax cuts for the wealthy at the expense of our country and our children’s future. Actually, even competitive Republicans are running from “stay-the-course”.

Posted by: chris2x at October 28, 2006 8:54 PM
Comment #191249

Seminole 6-
I don’t suggest the Republicans attempt scorched Earth again. You’ve burned more than enough credibility by using it in the service of a misbegotten war.

Scorched Earth is for those who don’t mind burning their bridges. It’s a strategy of desperation, one that indicates weakness as much as it burns strength. If you need to browbeat and blast to remain in power, you’re doing something wrong.

My opinion, is that if you really want to get back on top, you have to focus on policy, and improving your party’s handling of it. That is where your party’s credibility went up in smoke and that’s why you’re likely to lose one if not both houses. Stop basing your tactics on liberal hatred. Start basing them on being good at your jobs.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at October 28, 2006 10:57 PM
Comment #191364

We will not lose congress nor the house. If the dims thought they had it in the bag with impeaching Bush, the war in Iraq or the economy they would not be making empty promises such as Pulosi promising not to impeach Bush, Dean promising not to pull out of Iraq quickly or how bad the bottom line is for working America.

The dims still remind me of the turtle and the scorpion. The Scorpion promised not to sting the turtle if he would only take him across the river on his back. Halfway across the river the scorpion started stinging the turtle in the head and the trutle asked him why he did it after he promised he wouldn’t as it would surely lead to both their deaths. The Scorpion simply replied ” I only did what it is my nature to do.”

They know not what they do only what is their nature to do. That is the dims.

Solid as a soup sandwich and as bright as north korea on a clear night.

film at eleven, maybe they can show some more of our guys getting killed to promote their cause, oh by the way that is also the cause of the terrorist, the viet cong, and other enemies of America.

Posted by: lm at October 29, 2006 8:06 PM
Comment #191398

lm-
What I read there is a lot of figurative language and near-cliches that amounts to a circular argument for keeping the Republicans in power.

Can you point to real, attributable results here, or are you going to keep piling on the similes arguing towards American’s fear of the unknown?

Stop telling us what better leaders you folks are- prove it.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at October 29, 2006 11:35 PM
Comment #191416

If Republicans lose the House, nothing drastic will happen with a split Government. It didn’t under Clinton and won’t under GW.

The good that can and, I believe, will happen:

1) Republicans will embrace their conservative values and get back to where they belong. You’ll see the Senate and House Republicans (and GW) get back to proposing legislation that promotes conservative, family values, and

2) America will see the Democrats for what they REALLY are - empty of any new ideas to solve Amrerica’s problems.

As the Liberal leadership fails, this will be good news for Republicans in ‘08 and bad news for Hillary & co. Watch for the Clintons to take Nancy P. by the scruff of the neck, give her a good shake and make her play nice with the Republicans and GW.

After all, the Clintons crave power above all else and will not let anyone (including a SF liberal) screw up their opportunity.

Posted by: mac6115cd at October 30, 2006 8:00 AM
Comment #191495

Your Republican hyperbole is one reason the Republicans are in trouble. “Felons voting from death row?” How can you possibly be taken seriously?

Posted by: asceptis at October 30, 2006 1:49 PM
Comment #191543

well steven acording to the clinton people it’s the economy stupid. records days in a row. best economy since bush 1 left clinton a gold mine it took you guys 8 years to ride to death in 2000. Let me see, we get hit by terrorist all over the world and we bomb a childrens asprin factory. We bomb a soveriegn christian nation infra structure and kill civilians on a bus to protect the very muslim terrioist we are now killing wholesale in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Well that was some of you dims greater moments outside the oval office. taught a whole generation what is is and that oral sex is not sex but how it is understood to mean.

now we inherit a false economy falling daily as the dims claim great strides, and GW gets tax cuts and jumpstarts the best economy in history.

we get attacked on our home soil again and GW bombs the country and people up to the stoneage for their attack. Clinton let Sadam shoot at our planes daily while he developed WMD’s that he sent to syria and the nuclear technology to Iran. he is in the jail house now a fixing to hang, and his boys are not with 72 virgins.

Bin Laden is not captured yet because if he was the Dims would be hollering foul louder than the dixie chics at a GOP fundraiser.

when we get the rules of ingagement where we can actually kill the bad guys and not hug and kiss them we will get him, have his trial and stuff his head up a pig.

Posted by: lm at October 30, 2006 4:30 PM
Comment #191550

Democrats have 4 Senate seats sewed up, Bill Nelson in Fla., Ben Cardin in Maryland, Maria Cantwell in Wash., and Bob Casey in Pa.

Bob Menendez appears to be sewing up NJ as we speak with a 6 point spread, but this spread is not reflected in other polls, so there is doubt.

The Missouri race is tied between Talent and McCaskill, though jobs are on the line there favoring McCaskill on the stem cell research issue which will bring jobs to Mo. Mid and Eastern Missouri however, are conservative on social issues, so, this race is anyone’s call.

Tennessee is now neck and neck as well with Ford Jr. having made up lost ground for the 3rd time since Spring. Should one of these two races go Democrat, the Democrats will have the senate.

The House is now pretty much a given in left and right wing polling circles that the Democrats will pick up the needed seats and then some.

Normally I would be depressed by a grid locked government in the offing. But, there are no other realistic scenarios with greater appeal. Gridlock appears to be the best we moderate middle Americans can hope for.

Posted by: David R. Remer at October 30, 2006 5:06 PM
Comment #191728

Interesting. My post from this morning did not make the grade. Nothing illegal from the bylaws, just an opinion. Its good to see what each other is thinking, politacly speaking. I won’t do it again. You “BIG” thinkers can have it. Good luck without all of us from the middle.

Posted by: DELL at October 31, 2006 2:02 AM
Comment #191920

It seems like the Republicans will probably loose the house and yes, that does upset me. My only constellation is that the Republicans held the house when we needed them the most. I know that Democrats who reads this will most assuredly disagree with me but from my point of view, the Republicans were still able to get a lot done even with all the obstructionist Democrats that fought against them. It’s easy for Democrats to blame all failures on the Republicans when the Republicans control the house and the senate but it is hard for Republicans to prove that it was the Democrats that caused most of the failures by making false allegations and innuendos against Republicans. It won’t make much difference if the Democrats take the house because anytime they try to promote their left wing liberal agenda, it will be killed in the senate. That is if the Republicans can keep the senate. For people who oppose the wars in the mid-east, ask yourself how you will feel about it when the Muslim population grows to the point that they can overtake the house and the senate. I hope you’ll enjoy having your wives, mothers and daughters wearing veils and yourself wearing turbines.

Posted by: Lem McRorey at October 31, 2006 4:14 PM
Comment #192005

The October surprise is out of the closet. It is John Kerry a closet GOP helper.

Well CNN showed more voter suppression today when they aired John Kerry campaining for the GOP.

Now he is correct about getting an ed-u-cation as he proved once again why they call them dims.

about as bright as north korea on a clear night.
he has changed one tactic, now instead of vasilating both sides of the issue he just sticks that foot in that big ol long face and chews. ” I will apoligize to no one ” declares the one time Presidental candidate from the swimmer state.

If’n he aint careful Ted Kennedy might just give him a ride home some night.

Posted by: lm at October 31, 2006 8:16 PM
Comment #192884

The talk about control by any party seems a mute thing. Republicans can’t pass anything now, How will Democrats overide the veto?

Posted by: Garry Rose at November 2, 2006 6:30 PM
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