Bounce, Bounce, Bounce

So what was the name of that guy from the House who emailed that page? See? In a blink of an eye, THAT issue fades into oblivion, and the Republican Party now has emerged from the fire unscathed and united heading into the final two weeks.

Plus, our friend Joe Lieberman has pulled into the lead. Watch out, my friends from the left…don’t go printing that new stationary yet!

Grassroots.

The fabled Republican grassroots get out to vote campaign is just turning the motor on and watch what happens in the 72 hour period leading up to the election.

The message of a humming economy, a signed bill on a fence, and continued Democratic division on what to do in Iraq bode well for the GOP as this election rounds the corner and heads into the homestretch.

It now appears that the GOP has weathered everything that the Democratic Party has thrown at it...including the kitchen sink...and is still in a position to keep control of both the House and the Senate despite withering media criticism of the administration.

Why?

Well, for one thing the many-headed hydra of the Democratic Party STILL hasn't put a face on a coherent message...on just about anything of substance it seems.

Here it is, two weeks before the election, and night after night Democratic House and Senate hopefuls get on the tube and offer their own solution to Iraq.

I have their solutions color-coded, alphabetized, and organized according to the Dewey Decimal System now.....just has it has been for months! Nothing has changed!

See? No difference. The Democratic Party two weeks before the election still has no clear message to the American people about Iraq...and that in and of itself sends the true message, doesn't it?

They have no "plan", they have no unified voice, they have no solution.

Never have, never will.

Once the rhetoric dies down, once the American people realize that 90% of the violence in Iraq is centered 35 miles around Baghdad as General Casey said earlier this week, then the American people will realize the true harm that the cut and runners did both there and here.

The president was right about one thing: The enemy is energized by the wrong message coming from America.

And that message came from the left.

THAT'S the message that will be pounded home these last two weeks.

They have no plan, get it?

Posted by Sicilian Eagle at October 27, 2006 6:03 AM
Comments
Comment #190693

Sicilian Eagle:

Remarkable claim about the violence. Can you tell me which NGO or UN Official visited ANY area outside the Green Zone within the last 12 months? Perhaps YOU should visit Iraq… go to the area 35 miles outside of Baghdad and come tell the rest of us about it. Relying on General Casey, who I seem to remember said GIs would be reduced over and over again, is hardly reliable.

As for a Democratic Plan for Iraq, I believe a good plan is tyo draft every able-bodied Young Republican and send them over there. With luck, both kinds of nuts can kill each simultaneously.

Posted by: Juan dela Cruz at October 27, 2006 7:40 AM
Comment #190695

SE,

The president was right about one thing: The enemy is energized by the wrong message coming from America.

And that message came from the left.

Isn’t being wrongly and pre-emptively attacked by a country whose President was right about one thing only energizing the “enemy” too?

Posted by: Philippe Houdoin at October 27, 2006 7:54 AM
Comment #190697

Jaun, so you are saying that Republicans are more patrotic! Would defend our freedoms so people like you can sit back and bemone anything positive! Yes it is easy to sit back and Monday morning quartherback… Can’t help faulty intelligence, however, better to strik first than to wait to be struck… or would you have it the other way, I think this is what you are truly all about…

Posted by: Lacy at October 27, 2006 8:21 AM
Comment #190699

Lacy:

More patriotic my rump!!!
Here is my contribution to what you, Republicans, call patriotism and what I call a waste:


After Pat’s Birthday
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/200601019_after_pats_birthday/
Posted on Oct 19, 2006
By Kevin Tillman

Editor’s note: Kevin Tillman joined the Army with his brother Pat in 2002, and they served together in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pat was killed in Afghanistan on April 22, 2004. Kevin, who was discharged in 2005, has written a powerful, must-read document.

It is Pat’s birthday on November 6, and elections are the day after. It gets me thinking about a conversation I had with Pat before we joined the military. He spoke about the risks with signing the papers. How once we committed, we were at the mercy of the American leadership and the American people. How we could be thrown in a direction not of our volition. How fighting as a soldier would leave us without a voice… until we got out.

Much has happened since we handed over our voice:

Somehow we were sent to invade a nation because it was a direct threat to the American people, or to the world, or harbored terrorists, or was involved in the September 11 attacks, or received weapons-grade uranium from Niger, or had mobile weapons labs, or WMD, or had a need to be liberated, or we needed to establish a democracy, or stop an insurgency, or stop a civil war we created that can’t be called a civil war even though it is. Something like that.

Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.

Somehow our elected leaders were subverting international law and humanity by setting up secret prisons around the world, secretly kidnapping people, secretly holding them indefinitely, secretly not charging them with anything, secretly torturing them. Somehow that overt policy of torture became the fault of a few “bad apples” in the military.

Somehow back at home, support for the soldiers meant having a five-year-old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it overseas, or slapping stickers on cars, or lobbying Congress for an extra pad in a helmet. It’s interesting that a soldier on his third or fourth tour should care about a drawing from a five-year-old; or a faded sticker on a car as his friends die around him; or an extra pad in a helmet, as if it will protect him when an IED throws his vehicle 50 feet into the air as his body comes apart and his skin melts to the seat.

Somehow the more soldiers that die, the more legitimate the illegal invasion becomes.

Somehow American leadership, whose only credit is lying to its people and illegally invading a nation, has been allowed to steal the courage, virtue and honor of its soldiers on the ground.

Somehow those afraid to fight an illegal invasion decades ago are allowed to send soldiers to die for an illegal invasion they started.

Somehow faking character, virtue and strength is tolerated.

Somehow profiting from tragedy and horror is tolerated.

Somehow the death of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people is tolerated.

Somehow subversion of the Bill of Rights and The Constitution is tolerated.

Somehow suspension of Habeas Corpus is supposed to keep this country safe.

Somehow torture is tolerated.

Somehow lying is tolerated.

Somehow reason is being discarded for faith, dogma, and nonsense.

Somehow American leadership managed to create a more dangerous world.

Somehow a narrative is more important than reality.

Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.

Somehow the most reasonable, trusted and respected country in the world has become one of the most irrational, belligerent, feared, and distrusted countries in the world.

Somehow being politically informed, diligent, and skeptical has been replaced by apathy through active ignorance.

Somehow the same incompetent, narcissistic, virtueless, vacuous, malicious criminals are still in charge of this country.

Somehow this is tolerated.

Somehow nobody is accountable for this.

In a democracy, the policy of the leaders is the policy of the people. So don’t be shocked when our grandkids bury much of this generation as traitors to the nation, to the world and to humanity. Most likely, they will come to know that “somehow” was nurtured by fear, insecurity and indifference, leaving the country vulnerable to unchecked, unchallenged parasites.

Luckily this country is still a democracy. People still have a voice. People still can take action. It can start after Pat’s birthday.

Brother and Friend of Pat Tillman,

Kevin Tillman

Posted by: Juan dela Cruz at October 27, 2006 8:42 AM
Comment #190701

SE,

Let’s see how the house looks…

The evidence shows no bounce for the Republicans - a generic ballot shows the Democrats with a strong plurality of support, if not an outright majority.

How about Bush? His approval ratings are slightly higher than they were, but they are still topping out at 40%, an historically low number.

How about the question of which party best represents those personal beliefs Americans hold most closely? Democrats have a 49%-39% advantage.

Does this mean the Democrats will win the election by a landslide? No. But it does mean you’re reporting more on your wishes than on facts.

Truthiness takes over the Red column once again.

Posted by: LawnBoy at October 27, 2006 8:47 AM
Comment #190704
So what was the name of that guy from the House who emailed that page? See? In a blink of an eye, THAT issue fades into oblivion, and the Republican Party now has emerged from the fire unscathed and united heading into the final two weeks.

Foley. Maybe YOU’VE forgotten about it… but, then again, YOU brought it up.

Plus, our friend Joe Lieberman has pulled into the lead. Watch out, my friends from the left…don’t go printing that new stationary yet!

That’s quite a giveaway. YOUR friend is actually (supposedly) a Democrat. Your party’s candidate is the compulsive gambler guy… right?

The message of a humming economy, a signed bill on a fence, and continued Democratic division on what to do in Iraq bode well for the GOP as this election rounds the corner and heads into the homestretch.

That’s some wishful thinking you’ve got going on there… If you think people are going to ignore the bloddy war your party and president started and focus on nonsense like a fence which will NEVER be built, you’re in for an unpleasant surprise. Iraq is THE issue in this election. Your party is on the wrong side of it. You broke the egg and now we’re supposed to have a coherent plan on how to put it back together? You make me laugh.

The president was right about one thing: The enemy is energized by the wrong message coming from America.

And that message came from the left.

THAT’S the message that will be pounded home these last two weeks.

You go ahead and run with that message. You are about to be choked by vines which grew from seeds which you planted.

Posted by: Jeff Seltzer at October 27, 2006 8:50 AM
Comment #190707
And that message came from the left.
They have no plan, get it?

This idea is boringly pounded home. But is misses one important thing. What’s the Republicans plan?

Fiscal Conservatism and Small Government? Nope, those have been thrown out the window.

National Security? That’s not working so well, is it?

“Stay the Course”? What’s the course, and why should we stay it if it’s going so poorly?

If the only reason you can come up with for voting against the Democrats is that they don’t have a plan, you should really take a look at the alternative: a gorup with less of a plan and a strong track record of incompetence.

Posted by: LawnBoy at October 27, 2006 8:52 AM
Comment #190706

Juan,

Interesting letter, but I am skeptical…
Do you have a link?

This also seems to run contrary to what Pat thought…

Posted by: cliff at October 27, 2006 8:52 AM
Comment #190708

Juan…

I am stupid today…

Posted by: cliff at October 27, 2006 8:53 AM
Comment #190709
Interesting letter, but I am skeptical… Do you have a link?

This also seems to run contrary to what Pat thought…

Don’t believe what the propoganda machine told you about what Tillman thought. Remember the story of how he died? That was a lie too.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/200601019_after_pats_birthday/

Posted by: Jeff Seltzer at October 27, 2006 8:55 AM
Comment #190710

Juan one ingrediant does not make a cake… for every disenter there are hundreds or even thousand of indiviuals that support the decisions they make… I would offer that 80% or more of those that serve our nation in uniform leave the service with a positve outlook and a feeling of having served with honor and distinction… When was the last time you thanked a serviceman or woman for protecting your freedom or even a policeman or fireman….

Posted by: Lacy at October 27, 2006 8:56 AM
Comment #190711
for every disenter there are hundreds or even thousand of indiviuals that support the decisions they make…

So what? The fact that most people are sheep doesn’t mean that they are correct. Or does it?

I would offer that 80% or more of those that serve our nation in uniform leave the service with a positve outlook and a feeling of having served with honor and distinction…

You would offer? Please. Why don’t you “offer” some statistics you didn’t just make up?

When was the last time you thanked a serviceman or woman for protecting your freedom or even a policeman or fireman…

If it was yesterday, or today, or last Tuesday, would that matter to you? Or are we supposed to gesticulate for your partisan political purposes?

Posted by: Jeff Seltzer at October 27, 2006 9:00 AM
Comment #190715

SE-
We will see, won’t we, in less than a couple weeks. We will get at least one house. That I’m sure of.

The question is, are you folks still seeing this as just a speed bump, or do you recognize that the engines dragging on the ground now?

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at October 27, 2006 9:14 AM
Comment #190716

Jeff, are you suggesting that every comment here should be back up by statics? Your comment about what does it matter is typical… here is a statical analysis for you… Figures do not lye, only the one that does the figuering… Do you believe in every facet of the Constitution? Have you ever sworn alligence to the same? Do you believe in the Democratic Process? Do you support those elected by the majority to govern us until it is time to elect someone else or do you just sit back and critize and bemone anyone who disagrees with you… I don’t need statics, I work with many of those that have left the service on a daily basis and from personal experience I can assure you of the 200 + individuals here, not one supports your view.

Posted by: Lacy at October 27, 2006 9:14 AM
Comment #190717

SE,
well when I saw the title I thought oh boy more fiction, but after reading the Kevin Tillman piece, WOW truth being told. Do you really think W and the repubs deserve to continue to govern?

Posted by: j2t2 at October 27, 2006 9:15 AM
Comment #190719

cliff,

Here’s a link to the letter.

Posted by: LawnBoy at October 27, 2006 9:18 AM
Comment #190720

The Administration is sending mixed signals on Iraq, The local Republicans are putting out ads that disgust even the candidates they have running, the Mark Foley case remains the gift that keeps on giving…

What exactly do you base this optimism on? Americans have had it. You had your chances to change things for the better. Your party has instead chosen to maintain the dysfunctional status quo. The voters are going to punish the Republicans this November. The only question is, how harshly?

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at October 27, 2006 9:19 AM
Comment #190722
Jeff, are you suggesting that every comment here should be back up by statics?
If you mean “statistics,” no. But YOU were the one who offered one up; one that you apparently just made up because you liked the sound of it.
Do you support those elected by the majority to govern us until it is time to elect someone else or do you just sit back and critize and bemone anyone who disagrees with you…

That’s not an either/or question. You seem to think it’s inappropriate to criticize the decisions made by those in power. I don’t. It’s the American way.

Posted by: Jeff Seltzer at October 27, 2006 9:20 AM
Comment #190723
Jeff, are you suggesting that every comment here should be back up by statics?

I think what he was saying was that every presented statistic should be backed up with a source. You’re the one that created a statistic - don’t blame him.

Posted by: LawnBoy at October 27, 2006 9:20 AM
Comment #190732


A lot of people are disgusted with rushs mouth and the racist adds in Tennessee but the nation hasn’t seen the worst of it yet. The republican adds will become more and more disgusting as we get closer to the election. If you don’t believe me, ask the Eagle. He will confirm my conjecture.

Posted by: jlw at October 27, 2006 10:26 AM
Comment #190735

…and the Republican Party now has emerged from the fire unscathed and united heading into the final two weeks.

Unscathed? You’ve got to be kidding me.

United? Then why is there so much divisevess in the GOP?

Posted by: Darth Independent at October 27, 2006 10:38 AM
Comment #190747
They have no “plan”, they have no unified voice, they have no solution.
Like, “stay the course” ? Posted by: d.a.n at October 27, 2006 11:25 AM
Comment #190750
Plus, our friend Joe Lieberman has pulled into the lead.

You mean the self-proclaimed “indepedent Democrat” who said he would caucus with the Democrats? I don’t know why you find it comforting that he is in the lead. You are a Republican right?

You realize this is the second time you have changed your mind about who’s ahead…


Posted by: Woody Mena at October 27, 2006 11:42 AM
Comment #190754

“Plus, our friend Joe Lieberman has pulled into the lead. Watch out, my friends from the left…don’t go printing that new stationary yet!”

Eagle,

I am still appauled that you and the rest of the Republican leadership threw Alan Schlesinger under the bus to support Lieberman. Through all of the debates for the Senate race here in CT, he has come out and really made his candidacy known to moderates and conservatives…and he is STILL ignored by the state and national Republicans.

Admit it SE, the Republicans sold out in the CT senate race and refuse to support even one of their own. His “views” are much more traditionally conservative(actually funding SS with cash, fiscal restraint, etc) than what the modern day “republicans” believe… imagine that. Just shows how screwed up republicans are today…selling out to what is essentially a typical liberal in Lieberman, and leaving a fiscal conservative in the dust. Just shows where the party went over the past few years…

Posted by: Dizzle at October 27, 2006 11:50 AM
Comment #190756

jlw -
“A lot of people are disgusted with rushs mouth and the racist adds in Tennessee but the nation hasn’t seen the worst of it yet.”

What “racist add” (sic)? I’ve viewed it, there’s nothing racist about it. Please explain what makes a white blond, saying she met the guy at a Playboy event, racist.

Posted by: Don at October 27, 2006 11:52 AM
Comment #190760

Don,

Because it is perceived to play on old stereotypes of the black man taking the white women. That is an old racist fear that is being played into here.

If the makers of the ad really wanted to focus only on Ford’s visit to a Playboy party (which isn’t a big deal, in my opinion), they could have easily have the woman be black.

Posted by: LawnBoy at October 27, 2006 12:02 PM
Comment #190761
What “racist add” (sic)? I’ve viewed it, there’s nothing racist about it. Please explain what makes a white blond, saying she met the guy at a Playboy event, racist.

Maybe he’s talking about the ad where jungle drums play every time Ford talks…

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/electioncentral/2006/oct/25/tn_sen_corker_radio_ad_has_tom_tom_drums_during_mentions_of_ford

Posted by: Jeff Seltzer at October 27, 2006 12:02 PM
Comment #190763

SE,

Didn’t you also say that Iraq would be a peaceful place about now? Lithium can help with Manic phase.

Posted by: gergle at October 27, 2006 12:04 PM
Comment #190765

I am at a TOTAL loss to understand anything about
the liberal democrat mind. In the past 20 years close to 80% of what I have seen and heard coming from the democratic party, has at best caused long term problems for ALL of us. It is now election time again a scary prospect, How to choose between the lesser of two evils. My best estimate is the shot term failures of the republican party are less destructive than the long term failures of the democrats.

Posted by: Montie Rumsower III at October 27, 2006 12:07 PM
Comment #190766

Jeff Seltzer:

“You broke the egg and now we’re supposed to have a coherent plan on how to put it back together? You make me laugh.”

Uh..Jeff? So people should vote for Dems for what reason? You are assuming Dems will get votes just because people don’t like the Repubs. Is that what the Dems are standing for these days? Vote for us because they are bad? I certainly hope not. Wouldn’t you rather be able to say, “Vote for us because we have the way out of this mess.”

If so, then for God’s sake present the plan! I am convinced that Dems will take at least one house in November, and that is really fine with me. But, for God’s sake, will you people devolop some sort of message on at least one topic that you can agree on so we have some justification for voting for you?

Pushing the red hot poker at the other party only works for so long. Eventually, you have to exercise some original thought and be able to present it as a unit. All you have right now is a bunch of spotlight grabbers running to any podium they can find presenting their individual plan—and no two are alike. Better get the story straight amongst yourselves in a big hurry, or as soon as you get your chairs warm in the majority, you will be moving out again.

Posted by: Chi Chi at October 27, 2006 12:10 PM
Comment #190767

Lawnboy -

The problem with that view is…

We are supposed to be beyond racism in America. Therefore, to INJECT the accusation of racism into a non-racist ad is, in itself, racist. The ad isn’t racist, just the accusation.

As I understand it, Ford has been proclaiming himself as an upstanding, church-going person. Therefore, showing that he has gone to a Playboy event shows that his character is not as “pure” as he would like the electorate to think. (Having seen the ad, I think it is tacky.)

BTW - Due to that stupid McCain/Feingold campaign finance “reform” passed a few years ago, legally nothing can be done by the Republican candidate to have the ad removed or re-edited.

Posted by: Don at October 27, 2006 12:15 PM
Comment #190768

I don’t know why Republicans are assuming the lack of a widely publicized plan is a stumbling block. When’s the last time you heard Bush explicitly lay out one? We’re being no more vague than our opponents, and for good reason: In the real world, what a politician mouths off on the campaign trail has little to do with reality, especially if they’re not an incumbent. It takes the resources that comes from taking office (that is, intelligence briefings and knowledge of the playing field) to formulate a workable plan.

It’s the Republicans for whom this should be a liability. They never had a decent plan past the point of winning the battles. They never had a contingency for a long term occupation, an insurgency, or even how they were going to track down, secure and investigate the WMDs that were supposed to justify this war.

The Democrats have a simple plan for how to deal with Iraq: listen to the experts, and change their strategies as appropriate. What Republicans haven’t done for years now.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at October 27, 2006 12:22 PM
Comment #190770

Chi Chi-

The democratic party is just not the type of party that can mobilize everyone around a core issue like gay marriage and abortion does for the republican base. You can’t apply the same rules to both. The democrats’ biggest strength is their diversity of opinions and priorities. It is also their biggest weakness.

For many centrists who could care less about the stupid polorizing issues. They care about tangable things. They are not going to be predicating their votes on democrats’ having a universally recognized written plan. They are going to perform a simple balencing test. It is painfully obvious that the current republican “plan” is not working. They even admit as much, and their only defense seems to be that their political rivals don’t have anything better.

So if this is in fact the case, then the choice is: bad plan v. no plan. I think many people will believe it is better to have a party in charge with no preset direction, no pre-concieved ideas, and no incentive to do anything but put their finger to the wind and do what the people want, rather than a party who obviously could care less about what people want.

These current republicans have done much more than ruin their own reputations. They have soiled the whole party’s reputation. Many people now believe that republicans are more interested in telling people what is important and what to believe than they are about figuring out the truth. If the alternative is a clean slate with no set direction, maybe that is best. We’ll see come 11/7.

Posted by: Kevin23 at October 27, 2006 12:23 PM
Comment #190771

Don-

“The ad isn’t racist, just the accusation”

Come on now. There was absolutely no reason at all for that woman to be prominently featured in that commercial. If you actually believe that the purpose of a sultry white woman making googly eyes and talking in a whispy voice to the black candidate was to bring attention to his visit to the Playboy mansion, then I’ve got a bridge in Brookly to sell you.

Posted by: Kevin23 at October 27, 2006 12:27 PM
Comment #190772

Jeff S -

“Maybe he’s talking about the ad where jungle drums play every time Ford talks…”

First, Ford doesn’t “talk” on that ad.

Second, those are not “jungle drums”. Listening to the ad reminds me of local political ads where deep rumbling sounds are used when talking about the opponent to signal “danger”. It is merely supposed to develop a subconscious feeling of danger. It is used in many political ads in many parts of the country in races between white candidates.

Posted by: Don at October 27, 2006 12:28 PM
Comment #190773

Don-
Jungle drums in the midst of a radio commercial when a black guy speaks? Please, put two and two together.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at October 27, 2006 12:28 PM
Comment #190776

Kevin23 -
“…to bring attention to his visit to the Playboy mansion, then I’ve got a bridge in Brookly to sell you.”

First, Ford never went to the Playboy mansion. He went to a Playboy event.

Second, there is no bridge in “Brookly”

Third, I already explained the reason.

Posted by: Don at October 27, 2006 12:33 PM
Comment #190778

Stephen D-

They are not “jungle drums.” I listened to the ad. The drum sounds do occur AT SOME POINTS when Ford’s name is mentioned, but NOT EVERY TIME. The drum sounds do not stop abruptly at the end of the Ford sections but continue and fade out during the Rep candidate’s segments.

In fact, the underlying music appears to be a compilation of sounds that phase in and out, ending with something that sounds like a march near the end. The drums do not sound like the drum sounds I have heard in documentaries about Africa, but like band instruments from America.

That you WANT them to be “jungle” drums says more about you than about the ad.

Posted by: Don at October 27, 2006 12:41 PM
Comment #190780

Don-
If your people are admitting they’re tacky, why aren’t you conceding the point? You seem hung up on defending this almost as if by reflex.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at October 27, 2006 12:44 PM
Comment #190781

Don-

Sorry, I didn’t realize you were incapable of adding the “n”. And you didn’t explain anything about why the woman was in the ad in your post. Maybe you can stop being a spelling nazi, and answer a simple question?

Posted by: Kevin23 at October 27, 2006 12:45 PM
Comment #190782

Stephen D -

“Jungle drums in the midst of a radio commercial when a black guy speaks?”

I re-read your statement above. The ad that was referenced by Jeff S doesn’t have a black guy speaking.

Maybe you are referring to another ad? Please link.

Posted by: Don at October 27, 2006 12:47 PM
Comment #190785

Kevin23:

“You can’t apply the same rules to both.”

You’re going to have a hard time selling that to the average voter.

“The democrats’ biggest strength is their diversity of opinions and priorities. It is also their biggest weakness.”

Here’s my problem with this statement. Even in a party with such diversity, to get anything done, eventually consensus must be reached. I am not sensing any consensus on any topic from the Dems other than “the republicans are bad.” How do you expect voters to believe the Dems will get anything done with this reasoning?

“They are not going to be predicating their votes on democrats’ having a universally recognized written plan.”

Broadly, you may be right. But in individual races, can’t you see the repub candidate asking over and over again, what is your plan? And scoring points with it if the dem can’t or won’t answer?

“So if this is in fact the case, then the choice is: bad plan v. no plan.”

This is at the core of my fears. I see things in a much broader vision these days than I did as a repub “operative.” What I want is whoever can get the job done for us. How does “no plan” inspire me to vote for you? Am I to expect that the dems are taking whatever votes they can get just to get into the majority, and then will magically coalesce into a consensus building machine? I don’t think that is fair or realistic. Especially given the personalities who would be in play if the dems take over. How do you see anything getting done with the egos of Pelosi, Clinton, Kennedy, Biden, etc. all with their own “plans.”

“…no incentive to do anything but put their finger to the wind and do what the people want…”

So we are to return to the days of governance by polls? I know that is not a fair assesment of the Clinton days, but that is definitely the perception of the average man on the street.

I will restate. Eventually, even with such diversity, the dems will have to put down the cattle prod they have used on repubs for last 12 years, and choose a direction for this country. And they better be doing it as a team or they will be seen as they were in 1994, as a bunch of egos competing for the spotlight instead of doing the country’s business.

Posted by: Chi Chi at October 27, 2006 12:49 PM
Comment #190788

Sorry.

I am not usually that long winded. I am passionate about what is best, and I tend to look at these things through the eyes of an individual campaign strategist. I can see making hay with these arguments. I fear for our country because I am seeing too much fluff, blood, lies, mud, and garbage and not enough message.

Posted by: Chi Chi at October 27, 2006 12:52 PM
Comment #190790
The problem with that view is…We are supposed to be beyond racism in America. Therefore, to INJECT the accusation of racism into a non-racist ad is, in itself, racist. The ad isn’t racist, just the accusation.

So your defense of the ad not being racist is that we should be past racism? That doesn’t hold water at all. Of course, we should be above racism, but that doesn’t mean an ad with inherent racism isn’t racist.

Third, I already explained the reason.

No, you just said that it wasn’t racist because it’s not racist. That’s not an explanation, that’s a tautology.

Posted by: LawnBoy at October 27, 2006 12:57 PM
Comment #190791

Stephen D-

“If your people are admitting they’re tacky, why aren’t you conceding the point? You seem hung up on defending this almost as if by reflex.”

First, they are not “my people.” I’m not a Republican.

Second, the Rep ad is not being attacked because it is tacky…but because someone(s) are saying it is racist. I disagree. The attackers (Dems) are racist. You also appear to be racist by reflex. The race card should be left out of politics by both major parties.

Posted by: Don at October 27, 2006 12:58 PM
Comment #190793

Chi Chi-

I don’t and did not disagree with you, except in that I feel most people would rather have no plan than the current bad plan. I don’t think the constant focus on having a “plan” means anything to most people because they understand the nature of the democratic party. You CANT apply the same rules because they are fundementally different. This is not the same as holding them to the same standards of governance. It is just understanding reality. People DO consider reality when they vote, you know.

And coming to an agreement despite diversity is something that has worked, and will continue to work for democrats. It may seem strange to those used to the polorizing tactics of the republican party to believe that comprimise is possible, but it can and does happen now and again. Democrats are much more adept at it. Whether you like the results is a different question.

Republicans sound desperate lately. Crying out “You don’t have a good plan either!” is the mark of someone who is about to lose a debate. People have lost respect for almost every talking point they hear from those who have been so uniformly coached. The tactics that worked a few elections ago are not having the same effect. Believe it to be right, wrong, indifferent…that is just how I think people are viewing it, generally.

Posted by: Kevin23 at October 27, 2006 1:07 PM
Comment #190795

The polling data is absurdly skewed with oversampling of the Ds. So what else is new. Most of the Rs, including me, are furious at GW and the spineless senate. Actually, the House is the only body that has prevented a complete meltdown of conservatism. Americans do NOT like liberalism; this is apparent month after month, year after year. The libs can’t even use the word due to their knowledge that most people recoil at being associated with liberalsim. However, the anger that the non-socialist, non-liberal percentage of Americans has for what the Rs have done over the last 6 years may not go unpunished. I sincerely hope too many of us don’t try to punish the Rs because of Bush. Look how the POS Clinton weaseled into the presidency. If Perot hadn’t torpedoed Bush’s campaign in 1992, we would have held our collective noses and voted to re-elect Bush. I don’t like it, but the thought of a democrat congress scares me intensely. So again, I shall hold my nose and vote for the Rs. The Ds are just too far out to accomplish anything but disaster.

Posted by: Beak at October 27, 2006 1:10 PM
Comment #190798
The polling data is absurdly skewed with oversampling of the Ds.

Really? How do you know this? Or do you just hope that’s the explanation for results you don’t like?

Posted by: LawnBoy at October 27, 2006 1:19 PM
Comment #190799

Don-

To repeat, the simple question was:

Why is she in the ad? What is her purpose. She is VERY prominently featured.

Come on, the answer is obvious…you can admit it. Or is it easier to claim that we are all racists? Be reasonable.

Posted by: Kevin23 at October 27, 2006 1:30 PM
Comment #190803

Kevin23-

Didn’t respond because I’m getting ready for work.

The reasonable explanation is the obvious one (for non-racists) to point out that Ford likes to mix with Playboy-type women (even though he wants to portray himself as a church-going, decent, man).

A black woman is featured at the beginning of the ad saying that Ford is good looking. (What could that possibly mean????)

jlw started this line of thought, for further answers on how this is all a great Republican plot to destroy the world, ask him. I have to go to work.

Posted by: Don at October 27, 2006 1:39 PM
Comment #190815

“The reasonable explanation is the obvious one (for non-racists) to point out that Ford likes to mix with Playboy-type women”

Well, then that is just a stupid tactic. After all, “mixing” with good looking women has never been a negative thing for anyone. Ask JFK.

I think it is safe to assume there was a little bit more at play here than “hey, lets make this guy seem popular with the ladies…that’ll make him less appealing.”

Posted by: Kevin23 at October 27, 2006 2:12 PM
Comment #190817

Don is correct about the radio add. Ford is not speaking on the add. The drums get louder when the speaker talks about Ford in the first half of the add and are not as pronounced in the second half. It is still racist innuendo and Don, we are supposed to be beyond racism in this country but we are not. Most of the people who would be influenced by these adds would probably vote republican anyway if they don’t get discouraged by the news and not vote. These adds give them a reason to not get discouraged by letting them know why they can’t let this black man get elected.

Posted by: jlw at October 27, 2006 2:23 PM
Comment #190820

I saw the ad in question two days ago and didn’t think much about it. Then yesterday on Rush I heard something about it being called racist and thought, maybe I missed something or didn’t see it all. Now you guys are telling me the racist part was that their was a white female in it…What?!? Sorry I didn’t see it that way at all. I have to agree with Don, their is racism going on but not with the ad.

Posted by: andy at October 27, 2006 2:33 PM
Comment #190837

Kevin23:

“Crying out “You don’t have a good plan either!” is the mark of someone who is about to lose a debate.”

But I have been hearing this from dems just as much, if not more, than repubs. If it doesn’t get traction for one, why will it for the other?

“I don’t think the constant focus on having a “plan” means anything to most people because they understand the nature of the democratic party.”

Sorry. I just have to disagree. I think it is the fundamental question of this election. “What is your plan?” Both parties are making it so. The dems scream “their plan is flawed” and the repubs respond “so give us your plan” (cue the crickets). The average voter does not see or understand the subtle differences between the parties. That is why you see the use of Republicrats or Demublicans. Because people don’t see a difference in the parties.

The dems can sit back and assume people know these things as being just common sense. But that is what I see as one of their core flaws—they assume the average voter knows what they know as a matter of common sense. Well, they don’t. If my many years in politics has taught me one thing, it is not to assume the electorate is informed.

Posted by: Chi Chi at October 27, 2006 3:18 PM
Comment #190846

speaking as a southern man myself, i can personally tell you that i didn’t find any of the aforementioned ford ads racist… in bad taste yes, racist no.
then again, the notion of a black man dating a white woman (or vice versa) holds no particular significance for me. i could give a damn who a man dates. however, i think ford is a smug dick, so take that for what it’s worth.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 27, 2006 3:37 PM
Comment #190862

The Dims are as solid as a soup sandwich, not much to put your hands around. they have no message or direction except away. They would make good french militia.

When Hillary and company, the crew and worthless bill get into action against a person running for an office against the dims, they dig up all the dirt they can and try to ruin the person. when it is one of the dims in the spotlight, which i am sure hurts their eyes as they seem to enjoy the dark, they holler foul as long and loud as they can. If the dirt is on a Black it is instantly a racsit issue, unless the person is a Republican.

I do believe it was the klintons who hire under cover agents to dig dirt on the RNC and now sore os has a crew. what a joke as nothing good has come from the crew nor the dnc.

God Bless America and The Republican Party.

Come on Dimos and take your shot and on the 7th you can dig up all them old excuses why you got you butt kicked.

what a worthless bunch of DAs.

Posted by: lm at October 27, 2006 4:13 PM
Comment #190866

Chi Chi-

Don’t take what I am saying as a partisan tactic. I am not a democrat. Nor am I pre-disposed to using “democrat” arguments. I am just telling you like I see it. Moderates do not see democrats as a unified front on anything. I think you believe this to be true as well. But this election is not about which party can put together a more comprehensive sounding campaign. It WAS that way. But now people are suspicious of these simplistic yet somehow comprehensive “plans”. They just don’t work well, and in hindsight, have looked nothing like a plan at all.

People just don’t want to be lied to. Period. That is what this, and maybe the next election will be about.

Posted by: Kevin23 at October 27, 2006 4:22 PM
Comment #190867

btw.. I love the soup sandwhich comparison….very true. With all due respect to the Tillman family, Kevin Tillman is a few political science classes short of making informed ideas about the political spectrum. Those who lose family members in a war cannot be subjective about that war. His ideology is based on emotion… Truth and emotion don’t mix well

Posted by: Kevin at October 27, 2006 4:29 PM
Comment #190882

Kevin23:

Please don’t misunderstand me. I do not wish to accuse you of anything. I just disagree with your assertion that people are not looking for a plan. We have little else by which to judge since voting records are so horribly distorted in campaigns.

I agree that people are tired of being lied to. I know I am. But they want candidates to say something that sounds cohesive. I think if voters are sick of one thing more than being lied to it is a candidate who won’t answer a question. It is something Howard Dean has become downright artistic about. His counterpart, Rove, has also raised his evasivness to an artform.

Having said all this, I still believe the dems will win at least one house, but not so much for what they stand for, but because voters are so fed up with the reps. And that is fine with me. But from a go-forward basis, the dems better get their collective crap together and at least appear like a team headed for a common goal or they will be out on their butts in a couple cycles. If they even come out publicly, as they are prone to do, and argue about the means to the ends, they risk everything. Pelosi needs to sit her kids down and tell them to stop the bickering. The upcoming pres race will make her job all the harder, but if the dem candidates can raise the level of debate amongst themselves, and keep it on the topics of issues instead of personalities, they have a better than 50/50 chance of winning the white house in 08.

Frankly, for the first time in my life, I am likely to vote in the dem primary for president, because they will hopefully have a candidate on the ballot (Russ Feingold) who is actually worth voting for. Unlikely to win, but will get my vote if he is there.

My wife freaked when she saw my face in a picture used in the local paper and on the local TV meeting with Feingold during one of his local listening sessions. I hope people give him a chance because he answers questions. He tells the truth as he sees it. He watches every penny as if it were for the church, and he is not quick to judge. He knew me from years gone by working for his opponents. He welcomed me with a handshake and a “good to see you here.” I am proud he is my senator and hope he gets his shot.

I think the dem leadership could learn a thing or two from Russ. Stop all the fingerpointing and give an alternative.

Wow, this is the second long post I’ve done just on this topic. I guess I am just much more concerned over the next two or three election cycles than I ever have been before…and I used to make my living at it.

Posted by: Chi Chi at October 27, 2006 5:04 PM
Comment #190884

note the distinction:

Kevin is not the same as Kevin23

Posted by: Kevin23 at October 27, 2006 5:09 PM
Comment #190886

Chi Chi-

There’s only two choices, unfortunately. The only way to send a message is to vote opposite.

I’ve heard nothing but good things about Fiengold. I look forward to seeing him run a campaign.

Posted by: Kevin23 at October 27, 2006 5:13 PM
Comment #190891

ChiChi-
I agree eith the statement that dems need to stand for something. But!!, with propaganda machines like moveon.org out there, the only message that will get delivered from dems is “vote for change”. Not even the brilliant law mind of Hillary Clinton can create a stage for issues since they are clueless about the issues…I see a lock for the GOP keeping the white house in 08….especially if the dems settle on Obama…If I write a hate filled book of lies, can I run in ‘08 :)

Posted by: kevin.k at October 27, 2006 5:23 PM
Comment #190897

Obama’s toast. If the live birth abortion thing doesn’t do him in, the rumors that he’s secretly a muslim will. If that doesn’t, his dad’s connection with Islamic terrorist groups will be the proverbial last straw.

Posted by: Duane-o at October 27, 2006 6:00 PM
Comment #190898

I Think many people are quite pleased to see President bush sign the fence, and the lower prices at the gas pump and a fair Economy, but it is a to little to late for the Republicans. Holy Cow 18 weeks in the army and they put a gun in my Hand and shiped me to West Germany! The Fence Leaners who I Talk to at work are not All opposed to the war but they are getting pissed off on the way it has been Handled over the last three Years. Stephen D is Right The Democrats Will Take one House.

Posted by: Rodney Brown at October 27, 2006 6:02 PM
Comment #190903

On the gas issue:

Everyone I have asked has been unanimous in their response. No one sees lower gas prices as anything but correcting the spike in prices that pissed them off. It is not seen as a benefit, but a give-back. And they are still upset they had to “give” in the first place. Pretty logical.

I have my views on the issue, but opening the futures market up to institutional investors and not enforcing regulations was a direct cause (maybe among many, maybe not) and Bush had a hand in that. And people resent bad sudden spikes in necessary resources. The mere fact that they are temperary doesn’t make it easier to swallow.

Posted by: Kevin23 at October 27, 2006 6:15 PM
Comment #190910

it seemed around here almost half of the blogers were Touting the Higher Prices of Fuel so technology could or would develop more Alternative Fuels I understand the concept but Still most working people were being crunched . well where are they? I still drive 25 miles from Riverside ca to Get My Bio Diesel Fuel.I see your Point kevin23.

Posted by: Rodney Brown at October 27, 2006 6:50 PM
Comment #190911

I am surprise that there is still dims in this race for control of government. this campaign has been going on longer than it takes to heat a can of soup. their mo is to cut and run as soon as the rock has lost it’s luster or the opposition starts lobbing back their inuendo.

don’t know if I spelled that right as my math teacher was a democrat and cut class as soon as we started the hard words.

Posted by: lm at October 27, 2006 6:56 PM
Comment #190916

JEFF SELTZER:

Pat Tillman was the ultimate patriot, just like his brother. The difference is that Pat gave up a life that we all dream of, just to join our military so that he could serve our country, fighting for his brother’s right to state his opinion. Do NOT confuse his brother’s letter with what Pat believed. As a resident of Phoenix, and someone that saw and heard Pat on numerous occasions discuss his love of country, I can tell you that you shouldn’t try to take away from Pat’s beliefs by tying his thoughts to his brother’s. This is not to say that Pat was a man that would trumpet his beliefs. He was a very proud American, but he didn’t go around with his chest puffed out saying he was “gonna get him some terrorists”. He just wanted to do what HE thought was right - Join the armed services to help fight for freedom in the world.

His brother has every right to say what he thinks. But you, nor his brother, has the right to put words or thoughts in Pat’s mouth.

Posted by: Bpenman at October 27, 2006 7:25 PM
Comment #190918

It’s posts like this one that makes the red column so unreadable.

Posted by: Michael at October 27, 2006 7:33 PM
Comment #190919

Just what is in that GOPer kkkool-aid? I just hope enough TRUE AMERICANS have found their good senses and vote those lying corrupt thieving amoral perverted Republican bastards out, and the lying corrupt thieving Democrat shitheads in. At least the new Democrats don’t start wars and instead give tax breaks to the middle class.

Posted by: Dave1-20-09 at October 27, 2006 7:38 PM
Comment #190925

yes, speaking of gas…

notice - prior to the imminence of these upcoming elections, the mere mention of a potential loss of oil profits sparked a more than compensating increase in the price of a barrel of oil, and therefore gas at the pump.

despite the threat this morning of al qaeda planning an attack on oil interests, there has been no corresponding increase in the price of oil, to my knowledge. hmmmm. kinda makes you wonder.

Posted by: Diogenes at October 27, 2006 8:07 PM
Comment #190926

Dave1

“lying corrupt thieving amoral perverted Republican bastards”

I really hate all the venom and name calling tha tthe right in this country engages in…..

Posted by: Keith at October 27, 2006 8:08 PM
Comment #190934

Bpenman-
You assume and awful lot about what Tillman himself believed

lm-
What folks say and what is are two different things, and I can confidently say that I’d rather be going into this election with my party’s chances than yours.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at October 27, 2006 8:48 PM
Comment #190976

Steven it is ironic you should refer to what is is. Looks like your party is going into the elections with the klinton mind set as when Webb’s fantasies was brought to the attention of his writings that a father put his son’s penis in his month that his canned reply came from klinton himself. Webb just pointed out that ” that ain’t sex.” Man then what in the hell is all the uproar about foleying around with a couple of pages who by the way are the base of the Democratic platform? I thought they embraced that behavior and after all it wasn’t sex he was after just wanted whatever is is.

This is why your party is going to crash and burn like a straw house in the Santa Anna winds.

I like your parties chances also as if this is the change the country wants then it will certainly get a gut full and will have two years to discover, you cannot make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

One good thing might come from it, after we bring our boys home, they can sue the terrorist for peace when they start killing our children and citizens in our schools and malls, movie theathers and homes. Then the dims can negotiate with them muslims who only want to expand their religion of peace.

Posted by: lm at October 27, 2006 11:05 PM
Comment #191016


Well it looks like the corporations can see the writing on the wall. They have given a huge chunk of the money (11%) earmarked for the republicans and given it to the democrats in October. They are also preparing strategies for working with a democratic Congress. They are still giving more to the republicans (57% to 43%) but by next week it may be 50-50.

Posted by: jlw at October 28, 2006 1:05 AM
Comment #191067

One thing for sure since the terrorist have found a news outlet who will help in their propaganda war, we will see more of our people killed on cnn after 11-7. We better wake up and realize that we will have to win this war or vanish as a country. the dims are so against America it is a war on two fronts. Americans against Socialist power hungry Democrats and Islam. Notice I did not say radical islam as they are one and the same.

Until we can kill people like al Sadar and the like and when someone stands up to protest his demize we kill them, we will never be able to prevail and the killing will come home to us like it did on 9-11.

wake up before it is too late and see what it takes to win the war. we can take the high road and win even while destroying the enemy where they sleep.

film at eleven.

Posted by: lm at October 28, 2006 9:04 AM
Comment #191101

Kieth(not 23)

I guess that means “lying corrupt thieving Democrat shitheads” isn’t “name calling”, since that is, of course, what you believe. Isn’t it?

Posted by: Dave1-20-09 at October 28, 2006 11:35 AM
Comment #191133

The right seems to be brainwashed into spewing the same kool-aide sipping bull.
You don’t know what would happen if the Dems win big.
All this wailing and gnashing of teeth, dreamed up by the Hannity/Rush/O’Reilly, far right pundits, is mere speculation meant to scare the populace out of any change.

These lies and hate filled fear mongering are designed to fool the American public into voting for the Reps.

It’s as if the last 12 years weren’t enough to sicken the American public.

Posted by: Rocky at October 28, 2006 1:51 PM
Comment #191147

SE said,

Once the rhetoric dies down, once the American people realize that 90% of the violence in Iraq is centered 35 miles around Baghdad as General Casey said earlier this week, then the American people will realize the true harm that the cut and runners did both there and here.

You need to stop about the bull regarding 90% violence only being around Baghdad as if that means something. The militias rule in Iraq (and not very well), not the central government and not the US. We see how well moderately sticking ourselves between the ethnic cleansers and revenge killers has worked. What exactly is the Republican plan for Iraq? What terrorists are we actually fighting? Do you think Al Qaeda is going to hook-up with the Shiites or an Iran dominated Iraq? Please, you are so full of BS.

The only plan this administration has in Iraq is to stay as long as possible while getting our troops killed as little as possible in order to keep Iraq from falling into total chaos and Iran moving in or, more likely, hold out and blame the next administration for “losing” the “war”. There is no “winning” in Iraq. If you can’t see the outrageous and mostly predictable mess this administration has gotten us into you are truly an example of the blind leading the blind.

In the meantime, North Korea has gone nuclear and Iran is emboldened and on its way. Idiots like John Bolten invade Iraq and declare to North Korea and Iran to “take a number”. Yeah right. The bullshit bravado is just getting Americans killed and making the world less safe.

Kevin Tillman is right.

Posted by: chris2x at October 28, 2006 2:58 PM
Comment #191148

IM,

“the dims are so against America it is a war on two fronts. Americans against Socialist power hungry Democrats and Islam. Notice I did not say radical islam as they are one and the same.”

Oh, please.

When you continue to repeat this drivel accusing the Democrats of being anti-American, it just makes you look silly.

What’s next, the Democrats are in league with the devil?

Give it a rest.

Posted by: Rocky at October 28, 2006 3:00 PM
Comment #191219

they are not in league with the devil. that job is taken but you got one point right. you are anti american. last i noticed you are for altering the bill of rights. The one that gets in your way of total control is that pesky 2nd amendment. you want to rule but not at such peril.

you want silly you should see your world through our eyes.

north korea gone nuclear, is a gift of Bill Klinton. He gave the north nuclear to make lights and food to feed the people. see what they did right under the eyes of the Dims favorite group. The un couldn’t monitor an outhouse. In case you haven’t figured it out yet, the clinton years were spent playing turtle with the terrorist and made them bolder. I admit Bush needs to bust some heads and kill some bad guys but it only leads to dims crying foul and handcuffing us with dribble like rocky puts out.

we don’t need to wait until or if the dims get into power as their game plan is the same as the french. The DNC is about as bright as North Korea on a clear night.


Posted by: lm at October 28, 2006 8:10 PM
Comment #191244

Im, Pray tell what part of the bill of rights are Rocky and the Dems trying to change?

Posted by: j2t2 at October 28, 2006 9:45 PM
Comment #191245

im,

“you are anti american. last i noticed you are for altering the bill of rights. The one that gets in your way of total control is that pesky 2nd amendment. you want to rule but not at such peril.”

Well, you couldn’t be more wrong.

As far as that “pesky” 2nd amendment, I own a Glock 19, and a Marlin lever action 45-70.

As far as being a Democrat, wrong again, I am an Independent McCain supporter, and have been for years.

Ya got to stop listening to that far right, Hannity/Rush/O’Reilly/Savage baloney machine.

It’ll rot your brain.

Posted by: Rocky at October 28, 2006 10:10 PM
Comment #191329

Hey Lawnboy,

Read your polls. Not bad for Republicans considering those polsters are now admitting that they poll more dems then Republicans. You and Rocky are the reasons your party will be sitting this one out. You have nothing positive to say and no good ideas.

Posted by: Jean at October 29, 2006 2:01 PM
Comment #191331

Jean,

“You and Rocky are the reasons your party will be sitting this one out. You have nothing positive to say and no good ideas.”

Ok, I’ll bite.

Someone as politically astute, and as positive as you claim Republicans are can surely add something besides insults to the discussion.
After all, considering the “positive” tone of your post, I’m sure you have much intelligent insight to share with us.

Please, go ahead, we’re all waiting.

Posted by: Rocky at October 29, 2006 2:20 PM
Comment #191356
Read your polls.

I have. In fact, I linked to them. Do you have other polls for me to look at?

Not bad for Republicans considering those polsters are now admitting that they poll more dems then Republicans.

Someone else made this claim, and I asked them to back it up. They disappeared. Can you do better and explain what on earth you’re talking about?

You and Rocky are the reasons your party will be sitting this one out. You have nothing positive to say and no good ideas.

Ahhhhh… Such nice meaningless words. You must be so popular with the fellas.

Posted by: LawnBoy at October 29, 2006 6:09 PM
Comment #191433

Hey rocky if you support the hochimin candidate McCain, that sucking sound you hear will be your glock and 45/70 going out the door to the chop shop. McCain like Harold playboy ford is that we have way to many guns and we don’t need no stinkin 2nd amendment. as far as listening to talk radio i will listen to a liberal show if you can ever get one to stay on the air. they are as solid as the party they represent.

Independent and mccain supporter is an oxymoron.

heavy on the moron.

film at eleven. ” the fellow crying after the atf for confiscating his guns and taking them to the chop shop is an Independent voter who was in favor of change. Well he got one, with the loss of his wages, gun rights and now is that a copy of the koran he is being forced to read to his children.”

stranger than fiction, it will happen.

Posted by: lm at October 30, 2006 10:04 AM
Comment #191456

Im,

“Independent and mccain supporter is an oxymoron.

heavy on the moron.”


I hardly know where to start. I suppose the bigger question is why I’d justify this tripe with a response.

Your last post appears blissfully free of the ravages of intelligence, let alone any iota of truth.

I have seen and heard quite a few of the Republican talking points, and your posts seem to hit all of them, plus, you’ve added a few new ones of your own.

If this is how all Republicans think the country should be run, they deserve to be defeated soundly, and their ideology placed where it belongs, in the dust bin of history, to be brought out and laughed at occasionally, and to be used to demonstrate how dangerously close America came to imploding, under the sycophantic weight of the far right.

Posted by: Rocky at October 30, 2006 11:33 AM
Comment #191504

Stephen D, you should read my post again…

“Bpenman-
You assume and awful lot about what Tillman himself believed”

I’ll say it again - Pat Tillman was a patriot to this country. Publicly, as my comments implied if not came right out and said, he supported this country and what it is trying to achieve. Please find a document where Pat was trashing the President. If he “hated Bush” as stated in your linked article he never would have let that become a feeling that would do damage to the President.

That’s the difference between Pat and his brother. Pat was, as I already said, the ultimate patriot who gave up a life that many dream about to fight for his country.

It’s nothing more, and nothing less.

Posted by: Bpenman at October 30, 2006 2:13 PM
Comment #191894

It is really amazing how quickly things change in the world of politics today. I heard this podcast talking about the changing face of technology and its application…I think the whole swing in public opinion back toward republicans has a lot to do with that “underground” internet campaign fighting back against the mainstream media. Here’s the podcast:
podcast about politics and technology

Posted by: JB at October 31, 2006 2:59 PM
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