More capitalism = fewer terror cells

Are there fewer muslim terror cells in the U.S. because it’s easier for immigrants to assimilate into American society? Contrary to the liberal mantra, America is the land of opportunity.

"What we have here among Muslim-Americans is a very conservative success ethic," says John Zogby, …. "People come to this country and they like it.

They don't view it as the belly of the beast. With very few exceptions, you don't see the bitter enclaves that you have in Europe."

The difference between Europe and America seems to be stark. And the resulting potential for terrorist violence because of liberal policies may explain the civil war like troubles now being experienced in Europe.

European Muslims today live primarily in isolated, low-income enclaves where opportunities for good jobs and a good education are limited. In the US, 95 percent of Muslim-Americans are high school graduates, according to "Muslims in the Public Square," a Zogby International survey in 2004. Almost 60 percent are college graduates, and Muslims are thriving economically around the country. Sixty-nine percent of adults make more than $35,000 a year, and one-third earn more than $75,000, the survey showed.

In Britain, by contrast, two-thirds of Muslims live in low-income households, according to British census data. Three-quarters of those households are overcrowded. British Muslims' jobless rate is 15 percent - three times higher than in the general population. For young Muslims between 16 and 24, the jobless rate is higher: 17.5 percent.

"The culture is qualitatively different [in the American Muslim community] from what we've seen from public information from Europe, and that actually says very positive things about our society," says Jonathan Winer, a terrorism expert in Washington. "We don't have large populations of immigrants with a generation sitting around semi-employed and deeply frustrated. That's a gigantic difference."  ~csmonitor.com

Once again the evidence shows that the more socialist inclined countries are in fact more divided by class, more stratified, than the so-called capitalist oppressor country America.

Think about this statement again: "We don't have large populations of immigrants with a generation sitting around semi-employed and deeply frustrated. That's a gigantic difference." And yet this is exactly what the Left wants for our country. Why do we need to be more like Europe in this regard?

This is why I oppose the policies of the Democratic party. They have no new solutions, and the solutions they have are precisely the ones which would endanger our society through the same socialist inspired government programs that work their magic in Europe. Don't be deceived this November. Vote GOP.

Posted by Eric Simonson at October 23, 2006 5:24 PM
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Comment #189739

“Don’t be deceived this November. Vote GOP”

Please Eric. What socialist programs have the Republicans gotten rid of since they have been in power?
We still have Socialist Security. We are still over taxed. We are still losing individual rights and we are still forced at gunpoint to support these socialist ideas.

While the Republican party is ten times better than the liberals, they are still far from being the party that supports our Constitution.

Socialism has taken our freedoms and is destroying our country and it will be the death of our country and neither the Reps or libs care.

Posted by: kctim at October 23, 2006 5:52 PM
Comment #189756

Eric, you lost me. You leaped from the problems European countries have with immigration to an attack on socialism. You need to establish the linkage. Also, I’m glad that Muslims are graduating high school in our country. But, um, you know, public schools are funded by the state, so I’m not sure how that supports your argument. I’m also glad that 60 percent (is that true? 60 percent of college graduate aged Muslims, maybe) have graduated college. As you know, the state provides grants and loans and does, of course, subsidize higher education.

Work a little harder on these articles, please.

Posted by: Trent at October 23, 2006 6:44 PM
Comment #189759

Based on the data presented from Iraq it would appear that the fewer Republicans we have in office, the fewer terrorists there will be.

Don’t be deceived, vote Democrat.

Posted by: Dave1-20-09 at October 23, 2006 6:48 PM
Comment #189760

I find it so interesting, how Republicans use language to create dishonest images. Using the word “liberal” to connote something bad. I’ve never heard the word “conservative” used like this. There are numerous examples of this:
calling the inheritance tax the “death” tax. It’s not a tax on one’s death, it is a tax on the value of one’s estate over a certain amount.
hearing conservative news commentators (in an obvious effort to insult) referring to Sen. Edward Kennedy as “Teddy”. Tens of millions of people have voted for him over the 40+ years he has been in the Senate. Who ever voted for the people using this insulting diminutive? They apparently lack the courage to put their views out there for a vote.
Calling social security/medicare “entitlements”. I often hear this term, as in “we have to rein in “entitlements” What I never hear is “we have to cut social security”.
I guess logic and good sense are a little slow to catch up to the American voters (witness ‘04 election results). Maybe things will be different in ‘06 and ‘08. We can only hope.

Posted by: Charles Ross at October 23, 2006 6:49 PM
Comment #189766

Eric,
Kctim makes a good point. If economic philosophy guides your vote, why vote GOP? Why not consider the Libertarians?

In terms of their actions, it is hard to say what the Republicans actually stand for. They have controlled both Houses of Congress, the presidency, & there is a relatively conservative majority on the Supreme Court; but in terms of actions, there is nothing to show for this control; in fact, most of their actions run directly contrary to conservative political & economic philosophy. Since Republicans show no interest in “walking the walk,” why not support the Libertarians?

Posted by: phx8 at October 23, 2006 7:07 PM
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Charles -

“hearing conservative news commentators (in an obvious effort to insult) referring to Sen. Edward Kennedy as ‘Teddy’.”

What cave have you been in these past 6 years?
Did you know that the proper way to refer to a president of the United States of America is “President ____”? Yet I have heard MANY liberal commentators refer to our president as “Mr. Bush” (as obvious insult).

You’ve never heard slams on conservatives as “hate-mongers” or worse? You don’t get out much, do you?

Posted by: Don at October 23, 2006 7:11 PM
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What of the Lebanese ring arrested in Michigan last week? What of the Hezbollah crossing our borders?

And Eric, we should expect so, so very much more from the wealthiest nation on earth, regardless of how disproportionately that wealth is distributed amongst Americans. Four out of five of those making under 50,000 per year are not seeing their situation improved by the stock market’s new highs. Poverty has grown in America since 2001. And wages have stagnated for hourly workers even as Republicans exempted many of them overtime pay a few years ago, by classifying them salaried.

Then there is the issue of how our U.S. dollars are finding their way to the Middle East in unparalleled sums. This is backwards, Eric.

LEGAL Immigration is the strength of American civil and social equality and freedoms. Illegal immigration is mitigating that strength in countless ways, thanks to this one party Republican government who won’t listen to the American people regarding border security, illegal immigration, the Iraq War, and those free trade giveaways to foreign workers.

Posted by: David R. Remer at October 23, 2006 7:13 PM
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David -

“…thanks to this one party Republican government who won’t listen to the American people regarding border security, illegal immigration, the Iraq War,…”

Your comments seem more than a little one-sided. Truth is that NEITHER major party is listening to the American people. They rarely do. That’s because they both have “more important” things to do, like tearing down the other party to score political points. We need to elect a Senate and Congress that DOES listen. Some of them are already there. Some will replace the ones who are there.

If you really want to make a difference, let’s join together to create a system where the real concerns of America are dealt with in a bi-partisan way.

Posted by: Don at October 23, 2006 7:36 PM
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Mr simonson,

This *article* is a preposterous joke in every way.

Stop it with the farsical accusations against liberals. You do not know of which you speak.

The very reason I am a proud supporter of the Democrats is that the republicans represent ANYTHING but free enterprise and opotunity. The proof of that is what they have done and what their supporters have done over the past 5 plus years. Heck, even before that, ENRON (a major gop corporate donor) manipulated and captivated the California energy market to the very great detriment of all the rate payers in that state - then they had the gall and good fortune to be able to manipulate legislation through their whore - Bush and co. - to create and pass energy legislation that would have allowed them to do the same thing to the rest of the country. I can only think it was by devine blessing that we were spared that by their well deserved collapse!

Then there is the immigration issue. The gop is suported by, and thus actually invested in, the status quo remaining unchanged. That is why their are no substantial or working plans coming from the gop on immigration, just lip service to rediculous ideas like the 2,000 mile fence! You see, major companies like DR Horton Homes employ vast work forces of the undocumented and then scare them away on pay-day by calling in immigration raids! They are financially invested in the statuts quo while at the same time they are financially supporting the gop. Does that sound remotely like fair market or freedom of opportunity to you? If so, we have real problems. The way to beat these numbsculls is by bringing the truth to those who don’t know it. people, I suspect, like you, mr simonson. The only hiccup is that once we do so, we can only hope and pray that the messege sinks in. Sinful pride abounds, it seems, among those in your party who don’t want to concede that the gop is the NOT same as it was 25-30 years ago.

Posted by: RGF at October 23, 2006 8:00 PM
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RGF -
“The very reason I am a proud supporter of the Democrats is that the republicans…”

Wow! You have nothing nice to say about the Democrats! In fact, you didn’t say ANYTHING about the Democrats that would make anyone a “proud supporter.” How sad for you!

Posted by: Don at October 23, 2006 8:10 PM
Comment #189791

RGF

Are you trying to tell us that the democrat party is the same as it was 25-30 years ago?

Posted by: Keith at October 23, 2006 8:44 PM
Comment #189794


If it wasn’t for those nasty democrats and their socialistic ideas, the republicans and capitalism would have already eliminated poverty in America. Isn’t that the truth?

Posted by: jlw at October 23, 2006 9:07 PM
Comment #189801

jlw

Are you tying to say that dems were doing a great job. We’ve spent over 4 trillion dollars on the “War on Poverty” since LBJ. It’s done a great job don’t ya think.

Posted by: Keith at October 23, 2006 10:39 PM
Comment #189811


Keith: Iraq is going to cost us at least 2 trillion and that’s a great job don’t ya think.

A hundred billion a year on poverty of a hundred billion a year on Iraq. Ask the American People which one they would rather spend the money on.

Posted by: jlw at October 23, 2006 11:12 PM
Comment #189814

kctim,

Please Eric. What socialist programs have the Republicans gotten rid of since they have been in power?

We still have Socialist Security. We are still over taxed. We are still losing individual rights and we are still forced at gunpoint to support these socialist ideas.

To some extent I agree. Republicans have failed to roll back the giant federal octopus wholesale. Many have obviously settled into the culture of Washington. But it will do no good to elect Democrats for that purpose because their entire goal is to grow the government.

To complain that some Republicans have become too much like democrats is accurate, but electing full strength Democrats can’t benefit anyone.

Posted by: esimonson at October 23, 2006 11:20 PM
Comment #189819

Eric,
All the things that make America truly great will be her salvation.
The economic model we have here, equality, opportunity, FREEDOMS, these are what will make us rise above our detractors.

I’m really puzzled. I’m as left leaning as they come, but I don’t recall advocating muslim enclaves, or depriving any muslims of any economic opportunity. Why on earth would you say that this is a liberal goal?

You say Democrats have no new solutions? What are the republican solutions? Let’s see, how about taking due process away from anyone suspected of anything to do with terrorism? Or how about invading and occupying a country which did not attack us? Yes, I agree, these DO suck. As do most of the neo-con wonder-blunders.

I agree with you. The American way could convert many would-be terrorists into a better way. However, the neocon way will CONTINUE to exacerbate the problem. It just ain’t working. And our country is beginning to wake up to this fact.

Posted by: Steve Miller at October 23, 2006 11:34 PM
Comment #189828

Eric,

I guess that’s what you get when you push for and elect an incompetent boob and his corrupt cronies.

While you cheered on the Republican Congress and “Good Job, Brownie” Bush, the treasury was robbed and those “patriots” sent too few troops to play whack-a-mole in Iraq, killing thousnds of our boys for naught.

While I agree that Europe has bigger problems with racism than we have here, since the “Socialist” Civil Rights Act was passed in the 60’s, your tired old rhetoric rings as hollow as ever. America is sick of listening to the cynical diatribes that losers like Rove and Rush spout. You need some new mentors.

Conservatism and Libertarianism have suffered because of this kind of rhetoric. Centrism is returning. Ford and Carter, George H. W.Bush and even Clinton were Centrists with sound governance. They presided over sane policies instead of showmanship, policy lies, and pandering to what Rove calls the Nutcase Evangelicals.

If you noticed, I left out Reagan. He was the precursor to this loser. It was like Rocky V and VI…. sappy overacting with empty, tired, old lines. Clinton was an actor, too, but had the intelligence to be competent, just not the impulse control to stay out of trouble. I hope America has learned that hammy actors make poor Presidents. Sadly, I don’t think they have.

Posted by: gergle at October 24, 2006 1:05 AM
Comment #189833

Eric Simonson:

Its remarkable how little you know about european society.

As for you’re claim that there are fewer Muslim Terror Cells in the US, that will change once the Patriot Act II goes into full effect. You can already see the isolation and segregation being implemented on Muslim Americans right now. All courtesy of the GOP.

Posted by: Juan dela Cruz at October 24, 2006 1:43 AM
Comment #189869

RGF,

Excellent points about how the actual impacts of GOP policy have effected your personal choices. It’s unfortunately typical of todays political strategy to use tactics of deflection to accuse you of the same rather than debate you on merit.

It’s a shame since this is supposed to be a forum for debate. Instead all we hear in reply are talking points and insults. With an often overwhelming urge to reply in kind (for example this post had bait language prior to review) it is a wonder that any can still engage in decent conversation.

Posted by: Dave1-20-09 at October 24, 2006 10:19 AM
Comment #189880

Don:

What cave have you been in these past 6 years? Did you know that the proper way to refer to a president of the United States of America is “President _____”? Yet I have heard MANY liberal commentators refer to our president as “Mr. Bush” (as obvious insult).

Geez, so “Slick Willie” wasn’t proper terminology? “That idiot Carter”, then, probably wasn’t very proper, either.

Perhaps if Bush (and I hate to even preface it with “Mr.”, because, to me, that’s even in doubt, he’s such a wimp) actually acted like a president (you know, upholding the Constitution and knowing that he represents all Americans, not just the 51% who voted (?) for him, but also the other 49% who voted and the vast majority who didn’t vote at all), he would be worthy of being called “President”.

What comes around, goes around…

Posted by: Lynne at October 24, 2006 10:58 AM
Comment #190026

The Democrats favor people integrating into society at their own pace. We favor legal immigration, not half measures like an underground economy like illegal workers, or its legalized equivalent, the Guest Worker program.

Lower requirements for immigration, raise enforcement. Take away both supply and demand at once. Let people integrate as they have for years, and they will do what nearly ever immigrant population in our history has done: become loyal Americans. We can do it better than most for one big reasons: we do not define what is American by means that automatically exclude others.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at October 24, 2006 9:31 PM
Comment #190061

Stephen

How slowly is slowly. the whole “multicultural” model the dems and the liberals profess, basically says keep your culture because there is no culture that is better then any other. If you want to see what happens to a multicultural society look at France and the troubles they are having by not trying to assimilate their immigrant population.

Posted by: Keith at October 24, 2006 11:20 PM
Comment #190518

Don “sad for you” and eric,

I believe you are missing the point. Both of you in different ways. Eric, you even had the gall to fire off the tired old accusation that the Democrats have the “goal” to grow government…Why, then did the Democrats actually SHRINK the government? I know you guys on the right on the right hate it when we on the left use analogies to NAZI Germany, but it realy fits here: Georing was the inventer of the “Big Lie” form of propaganda which was the strategy of simply continually asserting a falsehood over and over until people believe it. It worked. It is still working. Now it is a common strategy among your party.

Don,
If I point something about the republicans I don’t like and then say that is why I support the Democrats, then you can bet it something that the republicans NOT ONLY have exactly wrong, but which the Democrats have completely RIGHT. In your case, you are making the tired old accusation that the Democrats are just about hating the republicans these day - just being nay-sayers without any plans of their own. PREPOSTEROUS, Dan. ABSOLUTELY PREPOSTEROUS!!!!
In the context of your flame bait comment, I was pointing out that the repugnicons have actually ACTIVELY worked against free-enterprise both abroad and even in our OWN COUNTRY!!! The Democrats have a long history of working FOR economic reform and diplomatic solutions.

Keith,
25-30 years ago we were in the Carter administration. During that time, we had a president overcoming the economic meltdown from the years immediately following Viet-Nam and we had a president who valued both law and diplomacy. Carter was able to negotiate an historic peace agreement between Isreal and Egypt. Clinton was able to negotiate an hinstoric peace agreement called the Oslo Accord. Bush first refused any contact whatsoever with any of the possible representatives of Palestine, then went on record saying “Isreal has no greater friend than the United States” …and the middle east erupted is chaos and death and is still enduring this resurgence to this day! SO when I point out what is wrong with the republicans, you can bet the Deocrats are already a shining COUNTER-EXAMPLE!

So, give up the tired old BS sophistry and actually THINK and then respond. I know you must be capable of it, even if you are a little out of practice.

Posted by: RGF at October 26, 2006 2:23 PM
Comment #190631

RGF

What does that have to do with my comment?

Posted by: Keith at October 26, 2006 10:34 PM
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