The ultimate weapon

Evidence is being reported that appears to indicate that God is indeed on Israel’s side and is fighting on their behalf!  "BBBZZZZZTTTTT!!!!"

Doctors in Gaza are reporting what they say are unexplained injuries among the dead and wounded in operations by the Israeli military, which have killed more than 200 Palestinians in the past nine weeks.

Interesting so far but far from conclusive.

The World Health Organisation (WHO) is considering whether there is a case for an investigation into the injuries amid suspicions by the medics that the injuries were inflicted by what they claim may have been unidentified "non-conventional" weapons.

Beside especially severe burning "down to the bones", the doctors say that, in other cases, internal organs have been ruptured without any obvious sign of shrapnel wounds. ~news.independent.co.uk

It's incredible to me that Palestinians would even report this due to the way it will look-- i.e. that God is smiting them on Israel's behalf. But they seem to be trying to blame it on imaginary 'unconventional' weapons. But I suppose that God could be considered an 'unconventional' weapon in a sense.
While a report from the Hamas-run Ministry of Health said the injuries raised the possibility Israel could be using "unprecedented" projectiles with "radiant" substances, the medics acknowledge that there is no proof so far of their claims. ~news.independent.co.uk
This is not without precedent. You may recall, (well, some of you may recall) from Sunday school the story from II Kings in the Old Testament (or 'Only Testament' if you happen to be Jewish):
35 That night the angel of the LORD went out and put to death a hundred and eighty-five thousand men in the Assyrian camp. When the people got up the next morning—there were all the dead bodies! ~2 Kings 19:35 (New International Version)
Bam! Just like that. Or maybe it's more like, "FFIZZZZT!" Perhaps Muslims should reconsider which side they are on?

Actually, this is just more of the same from the terror appeasing left. Any hint of American or Israeli 'evil' is immediately trumpeted from the rooftops and given full credence by the left. Just as Michael Moore's insanely prejediced and false works of anti-american propaganda are greeted with glee by terrorists and jihadists.

"Is the U.S. Using New Experimental Tactical High Energy Laser Weapons in Iraq?"
...MAJID AL GHEZALI: They used incredible weapons, absolutely.

PATRICK DILLON: Experimental weapons?

MAJID AL GHEZALI: Yes. Yes, I think. Yeah, they shoot the bus. We saw the bus like a cloth, like a wet cloth. It seems like a Volkswagen, a big bus like a Volkswagen. ~democracynow.org

I actually caught some of this interview on air on KFPA radio.

GEERT VAN MOORTER: Do you have idea with what kind of weapons they attacked that bus?

SAAD AL FALLUJI: This bus, we didn’t know what kind of weapon hit. Really what we saw cut arms, cut legs, cut head, abdomen, open abdomen, viscera outside.

DOCTOR NO. 2: It seems to be a new weapon.

SAAD AL FALLUJI: Yes, a new weapon.

DOCTOR NO. 2: They are trying to do experiments on our civilians. Nobody can identify what the type of this weapon. ~democracynow.org

So it seems that there is evidence that God is on our side in Iraq as well. Or... that the death star is in fact "quite operational" as the Emperor so aptly and mockingly says in Return of the Jedi:
Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design. Your friends, up there on the sanctuary moon, are walking into a trap, as is your Rebel fleet. It was *I* who allowed the Alliance to know the location of the shield generator. It is quite safe from your pitiful little band. An entire legion of my best troops awaits them. Oh, I'm afraid the deflector shield will be quite operational when your friends arrive. ~imdb.com
And they said that Star Wars was useless and would never work! A waste of money the left said! HA!
"As you can see, my young apprentice, your friends have failed. Now witness the firepower of this fully ARMED and OPERATIONAL battle station!"
[For added effect, download and play this midi file version of the Imperial March.]

It appears that the ultimate weapon, as usual, is a different version of the truth. Propaganda. Something that is used in war to help defeat the enemy. True in every war, but in this war it has special significance because we are forced to fight a two-front propaganda war. One with the terrorists and another with the left.

Posted by Eric Simonson at September 6, 2006 5:17 PM
Comments
Comment #179458

The first unconventional weapon could be White Phosphorus. It’s a solid allotrope of the element, which ignites when it comes in contact with air or human flesh. Burns all the way down to the bone are not atypical. Nasty stuff. We actually used it in Fallujah, and that was pretty controversial.

My suspicion about the vehicles is that they weren’t hit by an experimental weapon, but by a rather mainstream one that folks aren’t used to encountering.

This is the kind of ammunition that an M1 Abrams can fire. It’s an energy weapon, alright- A kinetic energy weapon. Unlike a HEAT Round (High Explosive Anti Tank), these kinds of tank shells don’t use explosives. They use the kinetic force of the round itself to punch through the armor.

These rounds are known as Sabot Rounds. Sabot comes from the French word for shoe, which describes the detachable “shoe” that fits around the Kinetic Energy penetrator. In the case of our Sabot Rounds, it’s a long thin dart-like projectile made out of a depleted uranium alloy. Depleted Uranium is very dense, and the metal keeps a sharp point as it penetrates. The fragments ignite as they break off, creating a burning outward jet as it goes through.

Fired from the M1-Abrams, these shells can destroy just about any other tank on the market. They made swiss cheese of the Republican Guard during the Gulf War, often going in one end and out the other. That wasn’t a good thing for the crews, though. The pressure difference caused by this round passing through these vehicles at hypersonic speed was so intense that it literally could turn the crews inside out.

It sounds a great deal like the injuries you describe. The question here is why aren’t you any better informed about these matters, given your support. Such information as what I related above would be much more illuminating to a reader than Star Wars sarcasm.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 6, 2006 7:06 PM
Comment #179461

The ultimate weapon is the full patriotism of a nation righteously fighting to defend themselves from evil.

Posted by: stubborn conservative at September 6, 2006 7:27 PM
Comment #179467

Eric-
I posted a response to this that you may find interesting, but because of all the links in it, you’re going to have to approve the comment on your MT console.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 6, 2006 7:52 PM
Comment #179481

Nice satire. If I’m giving you too much credit, my apologies.

Posted by: Gerrold at September 6, 2006 9:09 PM
Comment #179484

Yes, God is suddenly intervening for Israel and America by secretly blowing people up without explanation.

Thats exactly how it works.

Now just pray Osama explodes, and watch what happens. After all, God only really cares about the Jews and occasionally the Christians, thats why he has never allowed them to be harmed.

Posted by: iandanger at September 6, 2006 9:30 PM
Comment #179492

Myself, I would say it almost sounds more like microwave radiation Even throw some left over chicken in the microwave for too long?

willie-pete injuries would be readily noticible to ppl with the resumes of WHO types i would think.. ther part about no other visible injuries would set off a red flag wp would burn the clothing the equipment and burn down thru everything.

If i recall correctly EA6-B electronic warfare planes have those installed along with all sorts of technology Amazing birds there Only one squadron left of them though since they are a vietnam vintage aircraft.


As for the M1 shells the M829A2 is even more amazing that turning you inside out, it will actually eject the crew thru the exit hole the speed of the round creates a sort of vaccum that literally sucks the crew out of the exit hole liquidizing the occupants, One can almost jump into the tank after its hit and drive it away.

So i would continue to think it was more of a focused radiation would be simple to do once one met the power requirements.

Israel has some crafty engineers ever see the Trophy tank defence system? RAFEAL with GD help is amazing.

Trohpy

Posted by: Rhancheck at September 6, 2006 11:00 PM
Comment #179496

This is a real question to Eric, Do you actually believe what you just wrote?

Posted by: Dave1 at September 6, 2006 11:10 PM
Comment #179498

Stephen,

You might have noticed that I had several links referring to white phosphorus.

This one is particularily helpful, and I even included an opposing view! Wasn’t that nice of me?

I find that sarcasm is highly appropriate with these kinds of conspiracy theory stories. I merely connected one to another one. I felt it was rather original too.

Posted by: esimonson at September 6, 2006 11:35 PM
Comment #179512

Sarcasm aside, there ARE some very interesting advancements in the energy weapon field, but to be honest, I’d be shocked to see them in use at this time.The US airforce has made interesting advances that to laser weaponry for anti-missle purposes and there is better than average chance that a good deal of this stuff will come on line in the next twenty or so years…but not yet. On the other hand private cruise and luxury ships have for the last decades employed sonic weaponry to partially mitagate the threat poised by would be boarders. The Isreali’s are rumored to have employed a similiar vehical mounted system for crowd control. While not nearly as lethel as say, a machine gun or a rocket propelled grenade, a sonic weapon does have the ability to radiate in all directions simultaneoulsy, cause crippling nausea from burst eardrums and generally not be very fun to be around, sort of like “sonic mace”. Is this widely known? Of course not, the luxury cruise industry is very much not into telling passengers that they may someday be set upon by swarthy types that have seen too many pirate movies…looking for pointers. (Remember kids, the Barbary Pirates were indeed, members of the Religion of Peace…a proud tradition of sea born thuggery that is maintained to this very day.)
As for a weapon that “burns down the bones” I agree that white phosporous is a more likely suspect than a new microwave, maser or laser device. (masers use concentrated radiation instead of focused light, for those of you who don’t know what one is.) Plasma ejectors from starwars (blasters!) are even further away from development (certain thermodynamics laws hinder them).
But if certain groups are now terrified that “mystery weapons” are being used against them, then I say all the better. Death by bullet, blade or instint incineration is all roughly the same when it comes to meeting one’s Maker. For the truly dedicated, a quick google of Popular Science will deliver armloads of exotic (and unlikely) weaponry.

Posted by: HardHatHarry at September 7, 2006 1:09 AM
Comment #179514

Stephen,

You may be right about the white phosphorous, but I’m inclined to think that it isn’t what caused the injuries described. WP is used primarily by the Army for field artillery rounds, which aren’t precise enough to target a bus. Also, the ground around the bus would’ve been scorched. Finally, we don’t use WP against strictly human targets, its more for supply dumps and fuel depots etc.

I also tend to doubt that it was a sabot round that caused this for a few reasons. First, sabots are no longer made of depleted uranium but tungsten due primarily to environmental concerns about the release of uranium oxides from the rounds burning as you described. The rounds do burn, but it requires heat from the friction of penetrating armor to do this, and a bus wouldn’t provide this. Also, I don’t know if you’ve ever been around a tank when it fires, but trust me, its loud and someone would’ve noticed it. Finally, its unlikely that a tank would waste a sabot round on a bus (they’re expensive) when they could use a HEAT round or more likely the .50 cal or coaxial machine guns.

I read an article in Maxim several months ago about how the Army was looking to test a microwave system as a crowd control weapon, but I’ve never seen anything about it in a more reputable magazine. As for the mysterious injuries of the Hamas and Hezbollah, its likely blast injuries. A 155mm artillery shell or an aircraft bomb puts out massive blast that can cause terminal internal injuries without leaving a mark. I have no idea about that bus, its probably something we already have that was just overlooked.

Posted by: 1LT B at September 7, 2006 1:15 AM
Comment #179515

We should also consider the use of so called “Salamander Rounds” a lovely bit of new tech that fires microsized slivers of self oxygenating magnesium/titanium into the target. These explosive rounds were supposedly used extensively in the caves of Afganistan where the munition was used to asphyxiate the enemy’s limited air supply (caves and fighting tunnels are frequently a little limited on usable, non stale air) as it was to blow up and incinerate them. (Thats what you get for hiding in cave, A-hole, someone comes up with a better way of nailing you. Nyah nyah nyah! Next time, take a “human shield” in the cave with you!)

Posted by: HardHatHarry at September 7, 2006 1:19 AM
Comment #179521

1LTB,

I’m assuming your knowledge of munitions good, so I’ll ask you this question. I’m paraphrasing the report where the palistinian stated that the internal organs just ruptured. Wouldn,t a 155 round cause some sort of external bruising along with the internal injuries?

I don’t know if there are visable bruises due to lack of more info, but let’s just say there aren’t for arguements sake.

Posted by: Dwayne at September 7, 2006 1:37 AM
Comment #179531

BTW, I wonder why “God” didn’t join Israel in Lebanon war… Empty Willy Pete stock, maybe.
Who knows…

Posted by: Philippe Houdoin at September 7, 2006 5:09 AM
Comment #179534

My Name Is Roger:

STEPHEN DAUGHERTY……………………………

QUESTION:

WHAT IF

WHAT IF IT WAS

WHAT IF IT WAS GOD ? ? ? ?

ROGER: A Conservative Christian Republican

Posted by: ROGER at September 7, 2006 6:01 AM
Comment #179537

Dwayne,

To answer you´re question, sometimes there isn´t external bruising, or at least not very much. Being close to the blast will pretty much ruin one´s day as the blast can compress the air to the density of a brick wall and send it outward at almost the speed of sound. The further one is away, the less damage, and damage can occur in unpredictable ways, such as internal injuries with no external bruising as described.

Posted by: 1LT B at September 7, 2006 6:13 AM
Comment #179538

Stephen - It was a JOKE. Eric was … Oh, forget it. Libs have absolutely no sense of humor.

As for the not-so-subtle putdown on being “well-informed” … Being “well-informed” nowadays simply means being able to sit in front of a keyboard and monitor for hours on end. Some of us have a LIFE, Stephen, and don’t have the time or desire to be as “well-informed” as you.

I don’t know anything about Eric, but I do know a few really arrogant people who think that they are always the smartest people in the room simply because they know how to Google.

Posted by: Chris at September 7, 2006 6:25 AM
Comment #179541

The Sith Lord Rove already knows how to make lib heads explode using only thought waves. Why, just look at what he did to the ultra super duper powerful spy Valerie Plame and her husband “Shaft, Superfly, James Bond and Kung Fu” Lying Joe Wilson……

Posted by: nikkolai at September 7, 2006 7:58 AM
Comment #179547
My Name Is Roger:

STEPHEN DAUGHERTY……………………………

QUESTION:

WHAT IF

WHAT IF IT WAS

WHAT IF IT WAS GOD ? ? ? ?

ROGER: A Conservative Christian Republican

Roger,

If GOD “himself” is fighting on the side of ISRAEL, a JEWISH state run by people who *do not believe in Christ*…

… then aren’t YOU following the wrong religion?

There are days I really have to wonder about all the Christian Zionists in this country, and their fetish about Israel.

Posted by: Jarin at September 7, 2006 8:37 AM
Comment #179548

The left and terrorists fight with baseless words of propaganda and the Right has unexplained weapons of unimaginable strength.

…. I think I like where I sit.

Posted by: Ken Strong at September 7, 2006 8:38 AM
Comment #179550

Eric:

Have to say, this whole post would be a lot more funny if there weren’t a large number of people in this country calling themselves “conservative” “christians” who would wholeheartedly agree with the idea that their God would step in to personally, “miraculously” kill Muslims and actively ally himself with Israel in war.

Serious question now: are all of your posts satire like this (just more subtle) or is this the rare exception? It’s honestly hard to tell.

Posted by: Jarin at September 7, 2006 8:42 AM
Comment #179558

Eric-
The trick with links is you have to give some good indication of what’s on the other side. Note with my linking text, you got what you saw.

The links for the Independent did not go through to the article, but rather a paysite for the paper.

As for the other link, you didn’t indicate anything about the linked material being concerned with Phosphorus, so I skipped over them, and merely read the text of your entry, which doesn’t mention good ole Willy Pete.

You were so busy having fun at our expense that you didn’t even stop to get into the facts of the case. Heck, you could have made a great entry out of that. Instead you turn to Palpatine and Grand Moff Tarkin.

You seem more interested in satirizing some obscure reporting about talk of using an experimental beam weapon than you are in dealing with the actual issue at hand. We did in fact use White Phosphorus at Fallujah, ostensibly to mark and illuminate. There are a number of bodies, though, that show evidence of phosphorus burns, so the question is ambiguous at best.

You might have been well advised to come right and say that evidence from this German show indicated that their claims were false. You could reasonably and respectfully say then that we need to take what these folks say with a grain of salt. By making serious issues like this into a joke or an insulting critique of the left, you distract from what could be a useful argument.

1LTB-
I think SE was speaking of a different incident with the alleged WP attack. One of his links goes to an LGF posting about a German show demonstrating that the injuries and tissue samples were not consistent with any chemical attack. The first part of SE’s report deals with an Israeli/Lebanon conflict incident, the second deals with Iraq. I agree that it would be unusual to use WP directly against personnel under US regulations and treaty restrictions.

Although one could still hold the Sabot round responsible for the bus, I agree with your analysis of why that would be unlikely. The replacement of DU with Tungsten comes as a surprise, but not much of one, given the fact that its one of the toughest metals out there. I just wonder how much more expensive that is, given the metal’s rarity and extremely high melting point.

I agree with your assessment on the blast injuries. For those looking for more detail on this here’s a link to a CDC primer on blast injuries.

Dwayne-
If you kill somebody fast enough, there’s not enough time for blood to clot and create the distinctive look and swelling of bruising. from the sound of it, with the folks close enough to be torn apart by the blast itself, these folks pretty much died instantly.

Roger-
I don’t know. There are reports going around Israel of soldiers carrying around a box with winged cherubim on the lid…

If it’s God he’s being of strangely little help elsewhere. In the book of Joshua he does all sorts of miracles to aid his chosen people in their conquest. He more or less hands them victories.

To have such a great God attack buses, while Hezbollah rains down rockets on innocents doesn’t fit. My God, if he chose to intervene, could drop people dead where they stand, destroy missiles in mid-air, and pretty much direct Wrath of God-style attacks on their entire lines of defense.

Of course I may be wrong, but if we’re talking about God here, we’re discussing somebody who’s beyond our ability to get any real handle on.

Chris-
Sense of humor? What’s that?

Libs have no sense of humor. Well, that would come as a surprise to Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, Whoopi Goldberg, Robin Williams, Lewis Black, and their audience of millions. Maybe you just don’t have a sense of humor about what they say.

It took all of a few seconds for me to recall the information that I provided. The links were merely backup and elaboration.

I’m not the sort of person who you would think would have a life, true enough. But we don’t measure the enjoyment of our lives by other people’s standards. We live our own.

We also have the opportunity, if we so choose, to seek out our own set of facts, rather than simply accepting what is offered to us.

I google because I care whether I’m right, and on what grounds. I google because I want to know if there is any factual argument to confront my rival in an argument with. A person making arguments about Ruby Ridge might falsely assert that this incident occured during the Clinton administration. Somebody arguing about certain methods of power generation might not know about certain environmental risks. Somebody pinning their hopes on a certain technology might need to be told about problems in the implementation or theory behind it.

If we simply argue based on what feels right, what Colbert terms truthiness, then we’re just a bunch of fools throwing prepackaged words at each other. To have that be what determines our future, that sophistry, is the most arrogant thing I can think of.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 7, 2006 10:08 AM
Comment #179567

Stephen,

The DU replacement was a combination of a few factors. The main one was the environmental damage it can cause when it burns and creates dust. While this dust is not radioactive, it is a toxic heavy metal like cadmium or a variety of others that tend to dramatically lower the life expectancy of those exposed to them. For example, any soldier who was going near an Iraqi tank taken out with DU sabot rounds was required to don full chemical protective gear.

DU replaced tungsten for a few reasons. The main one is its incendiary properties noted earlier. While a tungsten round has the same nasty effects, ie sucking the occupants of the unfortunate tank alive out of a hole about an inch across, it doesn’t burn. This incendiary effect is especially desirable against Russian built tanks as their design has ammunition and charges, which tend to react to fire with negative consequences, actually in the crew compartment. These shell’s cooking off was what caused the turrets of many Iraqi tanks to blown out of the hulls 50 feet into the air in what tankers have dubbed a “spectacular kill.”

The other reason for the adoption of DU is that it is heavier, denser, and harder than tungsten and thus better able to withstand the force of being thrown out of a gunbarrel at over a kilometer a second. Its weight allows it to retain more energy over distance and this and its hardness make it better at penetrating armor. These same traits are also why it is currently included as part of the armor of all Abrams tanks.

Posted by: 1LT B at September 7, 2006 10:54 AM
Comment #179568

I’m not a forensic physician, but perhaps the reason why internal organs would be ruptured without massive external bruising is because the person was dead almost immediately upon impact.

Bruising is caused by capaliaries near the skin surface being ruptured and blood leaking into the skin tissue. If someone punches you in the arm, do you have a bruise immediately? No. It usually takes a few minutes for one to appear, then steadily becomes more pronounced.

If the person was killed (heart stopped) within a half-second after the shock wave from the blast impacted the person, there may not be enough time for a bruise to appear before the blood pressure went to zero.

Don’t know it this is the reason for the apparent lack of external bruising or not. However, did anyone consider that the Hamas/Hezbo doctors that are beinig interviewed are LYING???? Oh, MY!! Surely these sweethearts of the liberal media could not POSSIBLY be manipulating the media AGAIN, could they?? Duh….

Posted by: Rich at September 7, 2006 10:57 AM
Comment #179569

I’m going to be a bit sceptical and facisus (I know I spelled it wrong).
How can you expect them to report anything right? After all they are a bit above camel drivers and mule pushers.

Seriously, The Arab press has always published stories of angels and strange happenings in their conflicts with Israel. They have leaned upon them to explain their defeats. Usually it focuses upon the Idea that Israel uses fantastic weapons they are testing for America. Don’t forget they are the victims - the new Jewish race model.
Occasionally I have seen some strange stuff from The Israeli side - one has to be a believer to understand some of it. The problem with the “religious” interpratations is: “does it challenge the beliefs of Christians and Muslims?” Only those who hold a “replacement” theory of religion - kind of like “penis envy”.
Technically and medically some of the stuff described is based on the belief that “movie science” is real and not wishful thinking.
K

Posted by: kuzriel at September 7, 2006 10:59 AM
Comment #179573

Stephen,

One more thing I forgot to mention. The use of WP has been varied. During major combat operations, it was used several times against Iraqi bunkers to drive them out to be killed by normal High Explosive (HE) rounds. This is somewhat the opposite of the normal practice, which is to use HE to break open supply containers, fuel bladders, etc then cook it with WP in what Artillerymen fondly call “Shake & Bake.” WP is also valuable for marking and smokescreens as it puts out a dense white smoke that develops very fast, is almost impossible to see through, and blocks infared sights due to the heat.

Its good to see you know about the regulations we have for WPs use. Perhaps Google strikes again? In anz case, we are not permitted to use WP strictly against human targets, such as an infantry company on open ground. One joke I heard alot in artillery Officer Basic Course was to look for someone with a jerrycan, as you could then say it was gas and that the artillery barrage of WP you called down was intended to burn thier gasoline. Sorta gallows humor, but funny at the time.

Posted by: 1LT B at September 7, 2006 11:06 AM
Comment #179574

Would someone tell Pat Robertson that Eric is being sarcastic?

Posted by: gergle at September 7, 2006 11:07 AM
Comment #179588

Ken Strong:

“The left and terrorists…”

I know this is an a priori linkage in your mind—which is more a statement regarding your mind than it is rooted in reality.

“…fight with baseless words of propaganda …”

Terrorists don’t fight with words. To them, it is a waste of time, and words don’t kill their enemies. The Left doesn’t have a corner on lying—in fact, one could argue, that their lying really isn’t up to the Right’s standards of lying, as an all-Republican government seems to attest. Well, that will be corrected in about sixty days.

“…and the Right has unexplained weapons of unimaginable strength.”

This sounds mystical, grasshopper. The Right doesn’t explain things very well, to be sure; perhaps it’s their adversion to silly things—like facts, truth, integrity, that sort of thing. But, still, I suppose it’s important not to tip your hand when it comes to weapons. Walk softly and carry a big bloviated bellicosity, don’t you know.

As for unimaginable strength, most of what the Right does was unimaginable not six years ago—preemptive war with a country that couldn’t harm us, Constitutionally guaranteed liberties being swept away in paranoid delusion, a massive increase in the nation’s debt, a slow decline in living standards for the ninety percent of wage earners, a great American city laying in ruins because to leave it so serves the political purposes of the power elites.

“… I think I like where I sit.”

Yes, self-satisfaction is heady stuff, and I believe the Right is at it’s zenith. I’m certain the view is exhilarating. I suspect, though, the view is going to deteriorate in the months and years ahead—if you want to continue to like where you sit, I think you’re going to have to move.

So people would call that progress.

Posted by: Tim Crow at September 7, 2006 12:17 PM
Comment #179594

Oh isn’t violent death hilarious and isn’t God good?

ROGER:
“WHAT IF IT WAS GOD ? ? ? ?”

If it was God, then I’m the Tooth Fairy.

“It was a JOKE. Eric was … Oh, forget it. Libs have absolutely no sense of humor.”

Sure. That’s why we’ve got practically all of the comedians, while you’ve got… Dennis Miller and Ann Couter.

Rhancheck:
“Israel has some crafty engineers ever see the Trophy tank defence system? RAFEAL with GD help is amazing.”

Indeed, Trophy has been tested and said to be 98 percent effective. That must be why the Pentagon gave a 70 million dollar contract to the totally untested system built by Raytheon in a virtually no-bid style scenario.
Isn’t is nice to know how our leadership can “support the troops” and get filthy rich at the same time?

Posted by: Adrienne at September 7, 2006 12:47 PM
Comment #179635

My Name Is Roger:

STEPHEN DAUGHERTY:

YES HE COULD IF HE CHOSE TO DO SO.

ADRIENNA:

I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE TOOTH FAIRY, BUT I DO BELIEVE IN GOD.

ROGER A conservative Christian Rupublican

Posted by: ROGER at September 7, 2006 2:57 PM
Comment #179636

My Name Is Roger

JARIN:

THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF JEWS WHO BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST. AND FOR THOSES WHO DO NOT, GOD IS STILL THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISSAC AND JACOB, HE IS STILL THE GOD OF ISRAEL, AND HE IS MY GOD.

QUESTION: IS HE YOUR GOD ?

QUESTION: DO YOU KNOW JESUS AS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOUR?

ROGER A Concervative Christian Rupublican

Posted by: ROGER at September 7, 2006 3:03 PM
Comment #179653

1LTB-
Actually I go for Wikipedia. They’re a nice place to go to find quick facts about things.

Tungsten’s denser, stronger, and harder, in all actuality. Unfortunately, you have to raise it’s temperature to over 6000 degrees to melt it, and it’s not nearly as common as Uranium. One of its main sources is China. It also is said to mushroom when it hits something, unlike DU, where pieces break off, keeping the tip sharp. DU has to be alloyed with another metal to become stronger and harder. In our case, the army adds 3.5% Titanium to the mix.

The value of DU is that it’s comparatively cheap and plentiful. We make plenty of it anyways, refining fuel for our nuclear reactors. It’s expensive to store, and cheap to use as ammunition.

I’ve also heard of the use as armor. It’s one of those surprising things, but Uranium is not one of the more unstable or radioactive metals out there, in its natural form. It’s radiation is primarily alpha, which you can stop with the steel on both sides.

ROGER-
There’s no disputing that God can do whatever He wants. But arguing that as a reason for attributing the cause of something to God is a God of the Gaps fallacy. Like Michael Shermer says in one of his latest books, you had better make sure somethings not in this world, before you declare that it’s out of it. Injuries from bombs and blasts can be confounding to people. Among those who survive the immediate blast, it’s not burns, but burst blood vessels in the lungs that typically kill folks. Additional Carnage can be caused by the blast wind, including amputations and other physical damage.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 7, 2006 4:10 PM
Comment #179654

“My Name Is Roger:”

This isn’t an AA meeting. Roger. You don’t have to announce your name each time you speak.

“I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE TOOTH FAIRY, BUT I DO BELIEVE IN GOD.”

Just for that, I’m gonna make sure your molars rot.
And you’ll not be getting a single penny out of the ordeal from me!

“DO YOU KNOW JESUS AS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOUR?”

This isn’t a bible study blog Roger, it’s a political blog. For this reason, you might want to include a wee bit of topical politics and current events in with all that proselytising.

By the way, WHY ARE YOU ALWAYS SHOUTING?
Just curious.

Sincerely,
The Tooth Fairy

Posted by: Adrienne at September 7, 2006 4:11 PM
Comment #179661

“Isn’t is nice to know how our leadership can “support the troops” and get filthy rich at the same time?”

Isn’t this what made this country great? I often think of what a political Leona Helmsly would say now:

Patriotism is for little people—just give me my tax shelters and no-bid contracts.

Posted by: Tim Crow at September 7, 2006 4:37 PM
Comment #179688

Adrienne, Drew Carey claims to be Republican. I’m guessing Jay Leno and Dave Letterman are closet Republicans.

Posted by: gergle at September 7, 2006 7:46 PM
Comment #179691

Roger:

JARIN:

THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF JEWS WHO BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST.

Perhaps. However, they’re not running Israel. In fact, Messianic Jews are explicitly denied the right of return by the Jewish supreme court and have been since 1989.

AND FOR THOSES WHO DO NOT, GOD IS STILL THE GOD OF ABRAHAM, ISSAC AND JACOB, HE IS STILL THE GOD OF ISRAEL, AND HE IS MY GOD.

Actually, he’s the god of Abraham, *ISAAC*, and Jacob. But then, the Muslims are also children of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob according to their beliefs. So if he’s going to side with one of the groups claiming to be his children, against one of the others, don’t you think that puts you on rather shakey ground if you’re not a member of the group he sided with?

QUESTION: IS HE YOUR GOD ?

QUESTION: DO YOU KNOW JESUS AS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOUR?

If I did, that would be a matter between me and him. See, you might not realize this, but Christ really wasn’t big on people wearing their religion on their sleeve. But don’t take my word for it:

Matthew 6:5 “When you pray, you shall not be as the hypocrites, for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Most certainly, I tell you, they have received their reward.

Matthew 6:6 But you, when you pray, enter into your inner chamber, and having shut your door, pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.

Sorry you had to learn that from a pagan.

Posted by: Jarin at September 7, 2006 7:57 PM
Comment #179692

Actually, I find William F Buckley to be humorous at times. Rich people making fun of the poor usually isn’t real funny to us poor folk. Intelligence makes for good humor. Dittoheads have trouble thinking for themselves and thus lack humor. Cruelty is funny to them. Remember the Romans used death as entertainment. You see some of that here in these posts. Not all Republicans are stupid, nor are all Democrats funny. Many are strident.

Unfortunately, both parties cater to the rich in this country. With the Supreme Court equating money with speech, its not a mystery why. I’m looking for a party that actually caters to the majority of the population while protecting the underclasses. I don’t think either party is pro American at this point.

Posted by: gergle at September 7, 2006 7:58 PM
Comment #179693

Correction: they are explictly denied the right of return by the *Israeli* Supreme Court. There, obviously, is no “Jewish” Supreme Court.

Posted by: Jarin at September 7, 2006 7:59 PM
Comment #179707

gergle:
“Adrienne, Drew Carey claims to be Republican.”

I’ll take your word for it. Maybe that’s why I’m not crazy about Drew Carey.

“I’m guessing Jay Leno and Dave Letterman are closet Republicans.”

No. Leno is a Democrat. Check it out:
Jay Leno: I am a Liberal, Really

As for Letterman, I think he’s a Democrat too. After all, he told O’Reilly he’s “full of crap”, called Ann Coulter an “evil, crazy bitch”, and obviously thinks that Cheney is “Just a Big Bowl of Bad.”

“Actually, I find William F Buckley to be humorous at times.”

Yes, me too. Though usually he’s unintentionally funny, IMO. Other times he displays your typical uppercrust brand of Wit: heavily encrusted with snobbery and/or disdain.

Posted by: Adrienne at September 7, 2006 9:49 PM
Comment #179708

THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF JEWS WHO BELIEVE THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST.

Perhaps. However, they’re not running Israel. In fact, Messianic Jews are explicitly denied the right of return by the Jewish supreme court and have been since 1989.

There is a sanhedrin, it is just the court of 21, not the court of 72. I aught to know I’ve worked for it and with it for the last 20+ years. It is a touchy subject.
Yes there are a group of Jewish people who proclaim Jesus as son of g-d or even g-d himself. They are of the Jewish faith - but they are not allowed to “join” the nation in any rights. It was the SCI (Supreame Court of Israel) that ruled no J for Js allowed for ALLYAH (return to Israel), The same goes for Karites and Reform Jews (the later can do a symbolic conversion and prove their observance. The former can’t come and can’t marry - they have a 20,000 strong community in their own part of Israel, with their own religious leaders.)

Actually, he’s the god of Abraham, *ISAAC*, and Jacob.

No the Muslims do not believe that they are other than the children of Abraham through Hagar’s son Ismael.

DO YOU KNOW JESUS AS YOUR LORD AND SAVIOUR?

This is rather mixed up - we Jews have never held out G-d as some how having a nation of eliets. We call ourselves the chosen people because we chose to follow G-d’s laws (written and the oral explinations given to us) We also share a history. All this has forged an identity - you lable it the Jew’s philosophy - or Judiasm.
Any one who leads a good life and obeys the will of G-d as He gave it to Noah are acceptable as children of G-d, no matter what they believe outside these laws, provided they do not brake these laws.
For a Jewish man or woman there is no choice but the traditional path. Now like all people there is problems with understanding and this brings about a situation that needs correcting. Hopefully it will be, but it in itself is not what you call “sin”, we call “ra”. It is a stumbling, a failure of hitting the mark. A foul but not worthy of your Greek hell.
Belief that G-d now rejects the Jewish people and some how has it in for them, while elivating the followers of Jesus or mohammud is called replacement theology.
sorry - must set the record streight.
k

Posted by: Kuzriel at September 7, 2006 9:51 PM
Comment #179720

Eric
I find your brand of sarcasim, at the expense of hundres of lives, to be sickening. But then not at all unexpected.

Posted by: mark at September 7, 2006 10:59 PM
Comment #179747

My Name Is Roger:

KUZRIEL:

Thank you for your comments, and for your kindness.

I did not know that Messianic Jews were denied the right to return to Israel.

I have some Messianic Jews who have been my friends for over fourty years. They believe that Jesus is the promised messiah, and still practice all of their Jewish customs.

I myself believe that God is and will always be the God of Abrahan, Isaac, and Jacob, and Israel is the land of the Jews… because He gave it to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and to all of their descendants forever.

Roger A Conservative Christian Republican

Posted by: ROGER at September 8, 2006 5:56 AM
Comment #179760

Kuzriel:

No the Muslims do not believe that they are other than the children of Abraham through Hagar’s son Ismael.

http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=356419

“[12.38] And I follow the religion of my fathers, Ibrahim and Ishaq and Yaqoub; it beseems us not that we should associate aught with Allah; this is by Allah’s grace upon us and on mankind, but most people do not give thanks:”

Ibrahim = Abraham. Ishaq = Isaac. Yaqoub = Jacob. The names are the arabic variants, but the Koran refers to the same men in the same way.

Roger:

I myself believe that God is and will always be the God of Abrahan, Isaac, and Jacob, and Israel is the land of the Jews… because He gave it to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and to all of their descendants forever.

You really don’t read that book of yours, do you?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=55&chapter=3&verse=28&end_verse=29&version=31&context=context

“28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

The entire concept of Christianity is that the bargain between God and Abraham has been extended to the entire world, rather than simply one chosen people.

Posted by: Jarin at September 8, 2006 8:14 AM
Comment #179781

I believe we the United States of America must protect “Isreal” with all of our weapons of today. The injuries of the P.L.O. might be a mystery to some but I assure you that the knowledge to produce such a weapon comes from “Our God” and if we use such weapons for the protection of God’s chosen People and for self protection of the American people and all our allies (which we will), I believe would please our God and his hand will continue to provide us with the needed knowledge to win this war.

Posted by: Ellis E. England at September 8, 2006 9:52 AM
Comment #179840

My Name Is Roger

JARIN:

verse 29 says { IF } you belong to Christ { THEN }you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.

If you are interested, the 9th. chapter of the book of Romans has more to say about this.

P.S. It is not my book. it is the Bible, the only inspired Word of God, and I read it all the time.


I am glad that you read it also, keep on reading it, and one of these day you may be abel to say ” My the grace of God, I too belong to Christ and I am of the seed of Abrham, and one of the heirs of the promise”

ELLIS:

I agree with you, and I am sure there are thousands that also agree.

Roger A conservative Christian Rupublican

Posted by: ROGER at September 8, 2006 1:13 PM
Comment #179862

Roger:

You don’t see the contradiction in your beliefs? If it’s a gift to all mankind, dependent only upon giving oneself to Christ, then Israel CANNOT be “the land of the Jews” as you put it. Because he gave the promised land to the heirs of Abraham, not to “the Jews” (and modern Israel can hardly be said to represent all Jews, any more than Iran represents all Muslims or the Vatican represents all Christians.) As John put it: “And do not begin to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham.”

So if you believe these elements of the Christian bible, the idea that God himself is fighting on behalf of the modern Jewish nation of Israel should be somewhat disquieting to you. Because it would imply a God still on the side of non-messianic Judaism, which would mean they remain the heirs and Christians are not.

Do you get that yet?

Posted by: Jarin at September 8, 2006 2:23 PM
Comment #179863

Ellis, etc…

You can safely assume that you’ve created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do. ——Anne Lamott (author)

Posted by: Dave1 at September 8, 2006 2:25 PM
Comment #179897

No muslim I know believes in the religion of jacob. Even though the Bible shows that
ishmael returned to the fold after Abraham’s death. By the way Rodger the NT is not part of the Jewish tradition so your Bible is not mine. Yes I’ve and do read the Hebrew Tanak in Hebrew, I also read the Koran in Arabic and read the NT in Greek and Latin. Hebrew and Ladino are my mother tounges, I speak English because of my foster parents - who are American.
read the front page of your Bible and you will find that it was a political document - not “g-d’s word. even as a translation it has serious flaws.
k

Posted by: kuzriel at September 8, 2006 4:26 PM
Comment #179911

Christian, Muslim, Jew. Its all the same. Cultures using ancient folklore (Bible, OT and NT, Torah, Koran) to justify their bigotry and murder of each other. It has nothing to do with g-d. It is anti-spiritual, anti-humanity, selfish, and bigoted political propaganda.

Religion is like a virus of the brain.

Posted by: mem beth at September 8, 2006 5:06 PM
Comment #179991

There is no bigotry save the hearts of the few who profess it. Leave The Jewish Nation to itself and in its land and no problem. We have no goal to convert people to our way of thinking. Infact when some one comes to convert we generally send them on their way. We only convert those who want and can convince us that their lives will be better belonging to our nation.
And you my friend show how biggotted you are by laying the blame of the world at religion’s door.
k

Posted by: kuzriel at September 8, 2006 11:10 PM
Comment #180086

My Name Is Roger:

KUZRIEL: Thank you for your comments, Roger.

JARIN: Thank you for your comments, Roger.

I wish I were smarter, but I am not. If I were… maybe I could have a better reply to your comments, { Kuzriel like you did… with the person who thinks religion is used to justify bigotry }. That was a good reply. Even though I don’t have the ability to reply, I do thank you and Jarin for you input.

Roger A Conservative Christian Rupublican

Posted by: ROGER at September 9, 2006 12:20 PM
Comment #181076

Do you believe in the tooth fairy and Santa Claus, too? I have a bridge I want to sell you. C’mon, man!

God is not on anybody’s side. We all worship the same god, whether it’s real or imagined (who knows?). It’s just the way we go about it that makes the difference.

Surely, no god is killing Palestinians. It’s the damn missiles. The US and Israel certainly use weapons of mass destruction, but that’s okay because WMDs are only bad when other countries have / use ‘em.

Double standard? I should say so. But don’t get me wrong. I am glad we’ve got them. I just wish we’d use them more discriminantly (i.e., on enemies who can harm us).

Posted by: Bill at September 13, 2006 1:31 PM
Comment #240106

u need more info

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