Ahmadinejad Quivers At The Prospects Of War

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has apparently backed down from his usual, “kill all the Jews” rhetoric and is, instead, calling for a cease-fire between Israel and Lebanon.

"We are calling for a cease-fire and ending this war," the Iranian leader told reporters after meetings with Tajik President Emomali Rakhmonov and Afghan President Hamid Karzai during a two-day visit to the Central Asian nation of Tajikistan.

"We are calling on the parties to sit down for talks without any preliminary conditions," he said, adding: "The aggressor should compensate for the damage incurred on Lebanon and apologize before the entire world community."

This guy has more chutzpa than a kosher deli has pastrami.

Of course, no Ahmadinejad diatribe would be complete without the requisite lambasting of US foreign policy:

Ahmadinejad suggested the hostilities fit in with what he called a US effort to influence the future of the Middle East. "The United States wants to recarve the map of the Middle East, acting through Israel. The United States is conducting its international policy through deceit, money and treachery," he said.

What Ahmadinejad overlooks is that any recarving of the Middle East begins and ends with Iran. In fact, plans are already in place to "recarve" the Islamist nation, though debate continues over the precise shaping of the new country. Still on the table are the possibilities of carving the country into a king-size Star of David, or possibly a crucifix -- the latter shape was proposed only weeks ago.

Ahmadinejad's call for a cease-fire -- and an apology -- comes just one day after Saudi King Abdullah threatened Israel and the United States with a wider war in the region:

"Saudi Arabia warns everybody that if the peace option fails because of Israeli arrogance, there will be no other option but war," state-owned media quoted Saudi's King Abdullah as saying before a meeting with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak.

King Abdullah issued the threat in order to appease the widespread anger among his compatriots at Israel's military offensives in Lebanon and Gaza. Egyptian President Mubarak is dealing with similar anger in his home country.

Still, neither Saudi Arabia nor Egypt is in any position to carry out the Saudi threat. After all, both countries have become increasingly dependent on US aid in recent years, which would come to a screeching halt should they decide to get in Israel's way.

More importantly, both countries are relying on the United States -- and secretly on Israel -- to deal with the growing threat of a nuclear Iran. While neither Saudi Arabia nor Egypt can be counted as a friend to the West, both countries strongly support any and all efforts at curtailing Iran's growing power and regional influence.

Meanwhile, the less than threatening rhetoric issued by Ahmadinejad confirms what we already know: Iran wants no part in the fight between Israel and Lebanon. In fact, the worst case scenario for Iran rests in the possibility that Israel's offensive extend to Syria.

Iran recently signed a defense alliance with Syria promising to commit arms and troops should Damascus come under attack. Ahmadinejad reiterated his commitment to the pact in a recently-sent letter to Syrian President Bashar Assad.

Nevertheless, Ahmadinejad is well-aware of the fact that his country is in no position to start a war with Israel, despite his numerous claims to the contrary. Rather, the war that Ahmadinejad is promising remains several years out. First, Ahmadinejad wants nuclear weapons and the capabilities to deliver them, and then he wants to annihilate Israel and every Jew therein -- in that order.

My only hope is that Ahmadinejad dies of very unnatural causes, preferably from a missile delivered by Israel, but made in America.

Related Article: IDF Strike Hits UN Post, But Misses Annan (Damn!)

Posted by Dr Politico at July 26, 2006 5:08 PM
Comments
Comment #170893

“We are calling on the parties to sit down for talks without any preliminary conditions,” he said, adding: “The aggressor should compensate for the damage incurred on Lebanon and apologize before the entire world community.”


When he talks about the aggressor he is talking about Hezbollah of course.

Posted by: Keith at July 26, 2006 5:35 PM
Comment #170892

I will play the devils advocate here for a moment. If he wants all jews dead and not just the nation then why has he not killed the jews that live in his country. There is a settlement of Jews that live in Iran peacefully. In many Arab countries they differentiate between normal jews and zionist.

That being said I still think we need to disarm and put a new government in Iran.

Posted by: Randall Jeremiah at July 26, 2006 5:35 PM
Comment #170898

Keith,

Of course he is :)

Randall,

The Jewish population in Iran is safe until Ahmadinejad has the power to fend off retaliation. Hopefully, all Jews will have fled Iran before this psycho gains a nuclear arsenal. Actually, Ahmadinejad should be dead before then.

Posted by: Dr Politico at July 26, 2006 5:43 PM
Comment #170901

Well Dr. if your point is that Ahmadinejad is a loon then I agree. I must add however that proving it is as simple as taking candy from a baby.

Tell me something I dont know….useless post!

Posted by: (_|_) censor that at July 26, 2006 5:51 PM
Comment #170912

…censor that -

Tell us something you don’t know anything about and we’ll discuss it with… You?

Posted by: Don at July 26, 2006 6:02 PM
Comment #170921

I agree with the Rabbi who said that Jews are not supposed to have a ‘state’.
Does the Quran say Allah calls for the world to become a Muslim ‘state’? or for Muslims to even have an Islamic nation?
That is forcing religion on people and I can’t believe the ‘Gods’ called for their word to be spread in that manner.

Posted by: bug at July 26, 2006 6:22 PM
Comment #170924

Dr. Politico:

“My only hope is that Ahmadinejad dies of very unnatural causes, preferably from a missile delivered by Israel, but made in America.”

This type of ‘nation-building’, or should I say ‘nation-shaping’ is a position that undermines our country’s protestations that we’re spreading democracy, in Iraq, in Lebanon, in the Phillipines, or whereever our big imperial wishes and basic human greed lead us. You think your tough, spouting anti-Semetic jargon for domestic consumption, Ahmadenijad? We kill you. Bang, Bang.

‘Yea, though I walk in the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, because I’m the meanest son-of-a-bitch in the valley.’

With this attitude of the Right, I really don’t know why we, as a nation, go through the ridiculous pretext that we champion democracy, self-determination, and the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness. This self-deception and guile is nauseating—and does nothing but hasten our demise as a nation that truly represents the last, best hope of humankind.

I am sick and tired of ‘sending messages’ to terrorists and various concocted axis of evil, this constant posturing of toughness and cruelty. A truly great nation doesn’t need to do this. And that may be the point. We are no longer great, because greatness doesn’t posture, it doesn’t threaten, it doesn’t cajole or bribe. It leads by example, and it embodies the principles and morality—even when noone’s looking.

Oscar Wilde once said, “What you read when you don’t have to, is what you become when you can’t help it.”

Either we, as a nation, live our principles when we don’t have to, or we become everyone’s worst nightmare when we can’t help it.

Posted by: Tim Crow at July 26, 2006 6:45 PM
Comment #170932

“I am shocked and deeply distressed by the apparently deliberate targeting by Israeli Defense Forces of a U.N. Observer post in southern Lebanon.”

Annan really has some balls too doesn’t he? I understand the distress, but as the leader of the UN one would hope he would save his frustrated critisism for a time when it would actually do some good. Instead he takes the position that exposes just how weak and meaningless the UN has become in the arena of international politics. It is as if he is trying to marginalize himself. I’m really beginning to dislike the guy.

Ahmadinejad, now there’s a guy who needs to live in a cave for a few years. I’m not advocating an Iranian invasion, but I would just love to see that pompous ass get stripped naked and be made to listen to Slayer while he sobs in the fetal position. Then again, I wouldn’t mind seeing Bush in that position either. Eye for an eye right?

Seriously though, this conflict has really hammered home just how difficult it is going to be for America to create and maintain aliances in that part of the world. As much as people hate the effects of Israeli aggressions right now, what is the alternative? If we are not liberators, and democracy is seen by most to be more of a burden than a benefit, then we are kidding ourselves with all this talk of moral high ground. Anyone we support consolodates their power and oppresses their own people (ie. Saddam), and our best friend is a bull in a china shop.

Posted by: Kevin23 at July 26, 2006 7:20 PM
Comment #170933

A new term has been coined: Annansense

Posted by: Kevin23 at July 26, 2006 7:22 PM
Comment #170943

Kevin23,
Annan was right to be distressed.

The Israeli bombing and killing of unarmed, neutral UN observers, using US precision guided munitions, sent a message: Forget negotiations. Neither the US nor Israel back the UN, and neither are interested in stopping war, or preventing the violation of territorial sovereignty. To punctuate the point, the Israelis ignored 10 warnings in the previous six hours, and slaughtered the UN observers.

US taxdollars at work.

Dr Politico,
Nice link. Way to cheer on the deaths of people who work to stop war and violence. Shucks. The Israelis missed a chance to kill Annan. Ha ha.

If you read the link, you might have noticed the article attempted to blame Annan for holding Israel responsible for killing all those civilians on a beach.

You know Israel killed all those people, right?

So, you are pretty jazzed about killing Iranians. Just out of curiousity, how many Iranians have ever attacked the United States?

Any?

Tim,
Great comment! Well said!


Posted by: phx8 at July 26, 2006 7:53 PM
Comment #170948

The only fear Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has is not being the “man”. His delusions of granduer highlighted in this article leaves no doubt as to his aspirations as world leader.

It’s hard for me to believe that a person who is dreaming of the apocalypse is supposed to be afraid of the consequences of war.

Posted by: JR at July 26, 2006 8:28 PM
Comment #170949

Actually, what’s cooling Ahmadinejad’s jets is that the Iranian people aren’t too hot about this conflict to begin with. Rabid Right-wingers, foaming at the mouth for war, fail to understand how much closer to us the Iranian people are to us than they are to their government. Iranians were more than just religious fanatics before the 1979 revolution, and they are the same way now, 27 years later.

I think the most richly deserved fate for the Mullahs and for Ahmadinejad is for their own people to overthrow them. Let’s get some agents in there, get some people stirring up the younger generation against these bastards. Then Iran can be the power player in the region, only it’ll be working as a constructive center rather than an inflammatory one.

As for Kofi Annan, I think if a precision bomb gets dropped on UN workers, there’s an explanation owed at the very least. We can’t forget that the Israelis once fired on an American ship and killed Americans. Israeli’s aren’t evil, by and large, but that doesn’t mean you have some wrongheaded bastard somewhere making the tail wag the dog. Or some complete idiot whose blunder take on the appearance of a deliberate attack. Israel needs to deal with it either way. The Right Wing is too full of apologists and rationalizers for their own good. Some things are wrong regardless of what the intentions are, and some mistakes, if not taken care of, can have ruinous effect.

For once in your lives, folks, worry about the quality of your leader’s decisions instead of explaining to all of us disbelievers how they’re strokes of genius.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at July 26, 2006 8:30 PM
Comment #170953

Amedinajad needs to go. Whether by assination or by popular revolt, I don’t care. But US troops can’t handle an invasion of another country, least of all mountainous Iran which also happens to have plenty of superreligious jihadis with assault rifles. But he needs to go.

The UN is a joke. Its another League of Nations. No one actually wants to send soldiers into the quagmire that is Lebanon and probably get themselves shot at with a liberal assortment of explosives and automatic firearms. Without any bite to back up its bark, none of the bad guys really care.

Israel has the right to defend itself and I think it should beat the tar out of Hezbullah. This does not give it complete immunity. When innocent civilians and UN observers are killed Israel must answer.

Posted by: Silima at July 26, 2006 8:58 PM
Comment #170957

Kofi Annan spent several years stuffing his pockets with Oil for Food money that was supposed to be feeding the Iraqi people.

This guy doesn’t deserve any respect because he hasn’t earned it. A mafia lawyer has more ethics than this guy!

The United Nations is a bloated, corrupt den of thieves and dictators. It has become a sanctuary for the same butchers and despots it would set up to oppose.

If the United States had any gumption and sense of decency, it would issue an ultimatum to the UN: Live up to your charter or get out!

Posted by: ulysses at July 26, 2006 9:15 PM
Comment #170968

fat chance of that, with America full of liberal dems who think the UN charter is the holy word of God and any US action against or even in ignorance of the UN is the 8th deadly sin.

Posted by: Silima at July 26, 2006 9:31 PM
Comment #170971

Stephen D

Some intelligence experts believe the younger generation Iranians are more than ready to throw the Mullahs to the lions -BUT- the security forces are so pervasive within Iran they fear reprisals.

I too wish we could get some agency assets infiltrated into Teheran -BUT- the Mullahs know all too well how that works and the closed society they have created makes such attempts very deadly propositions.

War means mistakes, to demand an immediate explanation or apology for the UN forces being bombed is not something we can really be calling for - remember the Chinese Embassy during the foray into the Balkans ? Heck, US soldiers have killed their own while engaged with the enemy and caught up in the fog of war, as with Pat Tillman.

Let Israel sort out the error, make its findings and move on. It’s just another one of the unfortunate consequences of Hizbollahs attacks and their use of non-participants and public sites/areas as cover for firing positions.

I don’t recall any leaders calling for war with the Iranian people, simply that the threat from Ahmadinejad and the Mullahs looms larger and larger everyday.

Posted by: JR at July 26, 2006 9:49 PM
Comment #170982


Trying to spread democracy is like trying grow wheat in rocks. It is the desire to be free that forces people to seek a vehicle for that freedom. Democracy has proven to be a capable vehicle for the West. Maybe the East is different, but the desire for freedom isn’t. When people want to be free, they will devise the means to obtain and then secure that freedom. In the meantime, we can use our strength, wealth and position to help them. But then we need to get out of the way.

Posted by: Charlie at July 26, 2006 10:17 PM
Comment #170984

Phx 8,

You keep saying in multiple posts that Iran has never attacked us. Taking over our Embassy is not attacking us?? (Have a friend take over your house, hold you and your family hostage for 444 days, only doing things at the whim of your hostage taker, and then tell me if you didn’t feel attacked.)

Iran is unequivocally supplying financing and in many cases the actual material for IED’s and car bombs in Iraq. Are you saying killing US men & women in uniform in Iraq does not = “attacking us”. I find that perverse. Israel is an ally, or at least a better & more worldly one than Iran. Iran calling for the removal of Israel from the planet … that’s no cause for alarm for you apparently? Are ya positive? ‘Cause I gotta tell ya, that got a lot of people’s attention … even many democrats.

Your moral equivocation of Iran, or even just your irresponsible dismissal of it as a MAJOR concern, as a major enemy of the US … it’s not the road of international intelligence in my opinion.

Posted by: Ken Strong at July 26, 2006 10:24 PM
Comment #170985

Charlie,

“When people want to be free, they will devise the means to obtain and then secure that freedom.”

So what you’re saying is that the US part (i.e. the major force) of the Korean War was moot? South Korea would be free anyway, with our without our help?

Please clarify.

Posted by: Ken Strong at July 26, 2006 10:29 PM
Comment #170986

Ken,

And I went on to say: “In the meantime, we can use our strength, wealth and position to help them.” Is that not what we did? How is this unclear?

The French helped us in our Revolutionary War. Was it moot? I don’t think so. We might well have failed (that time) without it.

My point is that Democracy does not result in freedom. Reference the Palestinian election. Desire for freedom is the seed we need to be planting. Instead we are trying to plant a mechanism for protecting freedom.

Posted by: Charlie at July 26, 2006 10:41 PM
Comment #170993

Charlie,

You also said “help and then get out of the way.” Does “help” in your mind possibly mean, depending on the circumstances, military force?

Your first post gave me the impression you would be against such a thing but your last post seems to allow for that sort of thing.

I’m seriously just asking because I do hear a lot of “if they want to be free then it will happen naturally over time” arguments. I disagree with that premise. I think it’s fairly easy to have a nation like North Korea or even one as populated and expansive like China and quell popular democratic uprisings. Evil regimes can still have good admin, command, & control capabilities. They can still dominate a people desiring freedom but unable to muster it on their own.

And I don’t mean to advocate going everywhere without a democracy and waging war, just that the premise of “people desiring freedom will eventually make themselves free” can be awfully flawed.

Posted by: Ken Strong at July 26, 2006 10:57 PM
Comment #170997

Ken,

Unless one is extremely lucky, freedom is bought with blood and sacrifice. I support our efforts, military or otherwise, to help people who want to be free.

The desire for freedom is rarely sufficient in obtaining such. But it is a prerequisite. And I think I’ve said as much.

I keep hearing this administration saying they want to spread Democracy. I say they’ve got the horse before the cart. They want to spread the desire for freedom.

Democracy can maintain a people’s freedom. A Constitutional Republic can maintain a people’s freedom. A Constitutional Monarchy might be able to do the same. There may be many other forms of government capable of maintaining the freedoms of the people that desire it. But none of this works if the people want to bow to a dictator or worship a bunch of charismatic sociopaths.

Posted by: Charlie at July 26, 2006 11:18 PM
Comment #171001

Charlie,
Great point.

In a sense, Bush was right when he advocated democracy for the Middle East. Yet democracy is only a form of government, majority rule. Liberal democracy is what he meant; and even more fundamentally than that, what most of us understand Bush to have meant is that we stand for Human Rights. We demand people of the Middle East enjoy basic Human Rights.

Stephen,
Agreed. With patience, the Mullahs will be swept away. They are anti-historical. Encouraging a respectful relationship with Iran will work, because historical forces such as globalization will work. Iran will be a democracy. It is a matter of time.

Ken,
Ahmedinejad is a loose cannon. But remember, he is temporary, and even he advocates a cease fire in Lebanon, not the perpetuation of war.

Normally, I do not think of the Hostage Crisis of 1979 as an Iranian attack, but maybe you have a point.

What do you think of Americans who sold the Iranians weapons for profit shortly after the Crisis? Did you know such fine Americans, such good Republicans as Elliott Abrams, John Poindexter, and John Negroponte have all served under Bush? What fine people they are.

But I digress.

Please provide a link about Iran providing weaponry to Iraqi insurgents.

It makes no sense.

Most insurgents are Sunnis. The Iraqi government is made up of Dawa & SCIRI, Iranian allies from way back, and they are Shias. Most of the violence involves Sunnis v Shias. It makes no sense at all for Iran to provide IEDs to the Sunni insurgents, none.

Ken, the frustrating thing is that what I say can be invalidated so easily. If the Bush adminstration wants WWIII, nothing liberals say or do will stop WWIII from happening. The only hope is for Democrats to take control in the midterm elections, and with all the advantages of incumbency, that is a long shot.

It seems futile, but I guess we all have a moral obligation to take a stand.

Posted by: phx8 at July 27, 2006 12:04 AM
Comment #171003

phx8
“Liberal democracy is what he meant”

I’m not so sure about that. ‘Freedom’ is what I wish he had said and what I interpret him saying.

“Ahmedinejad…advocates a cease fire in Lebanon, not the perpetuation of war.”

I think that is exactly what he advocates — the perpetuation of war.

If he is calling for a ceasefire now, it indicates that the Hezballah is losing the battle. He is only stalling for time. It sounds like it is time to pour it on.

“The only hope is for Democrats to take control in the midterm elections”

Democrats, schmemocrats. There is not a dime’s worth of difference between them and Republicans.

What we need is someone that is not afraid to take the war to those who would have us die. Bush has done a passable job of that but he tries my patience.

Posted by: Charlie at July 27, 2006 12:36 AM
Comment #171006

Stephen-

“I think the most richly deserved fate for the Mullahs and for Ahmadinejad is for their own people to overthrow them. Let’s get some agents in there, get some people stirring up the younger generation against these bastards. Then Iran can be the power player in the region, only it’ll be working as a constructive center rather than an inflammatory one.”

This sounds much more idealistic than practical. I mean, this is exactly what our government believed about Iraq for a lot of years. They just got impatient. I do not see any class of educated muslims stepping up and speaking out against extremism in Iran. They seem to either leave it be, or exploit it. I do realize that most Iranian people (I’m sorry, Persians) do not hate America per se, but I see little to promote any good image of it publicly. Actions speak louder than words.

“As for Kofi Annan, I think if a precision bomb gets dropped on UN workers, there’s an explanation owed at the very least.”

Agreed. But before you get that explaination, you should try not to cry foul and point a finger. Maybe he knew something, but most likely it was a bonehead mistake by the Israeli Army somewhere along the line. It takes time to figure it out formally, and it is certainly not productive to tell the world the UN was targeted …What if it turns out that some pilot forgot something he was told. Then Kofi looks like an ass. Well deserved, but unnecessary.

Posted by: Kevin23 at July 27, 2006 1:30 AM
Comment #171011

Stephen:

“I think the most richly deserved fate for the Mullahs Cheney and for Ahmadinejad Bush is for their own people to overthrow them. Let’s get some agents in there, get some people stirring up the younger generation against these bastards. “

Hmm, sounds good. Volunteers? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Posted by: Tim Crow at July 27, 2006 2:40 AM
Comment #171020

Tim Crow:

Re: your trite substitution of Bush/Cheney for Mullahs and Ahmadinejad. That’s been done to death.

What will hold the Democratic/Liberal forces together when Bush leaves office? You do know that he is a temporary problem for your side? I predict that the tenuous liberal/progressive alliance will dissolve as the liberal coalitions did in the post-Vietnam period.


About the post in general:

The clock on Iran is ticking. The last estimate I read about the Israeli deadline for acting to remove the growing Iranian nuclear threat was one year. In other words, if UN cocktail parties and earnest letters, US blustering about consequences and EU nervous nellying bring no substantive results, within 12 months, the Israelis will take matters in their own hands.

Having to broadcast their intentions is a handicap to the Israelis, but they have played along with this farce of international diplomacy. The Syrian/Iranian backed attacks from Lebanon and Gaza provide them with an opportunity to act, instead of react, to this threat on a more spontaneous schedule. I don’t think they will waste this option.

Posted by: goodkingned at July 27, 2006 4:38 AM
Comment #171019

Tim Crow:

Re: your trite substitution of Bush/Cheney for Mullahs and Ahmadinejad. That’s been done to death.

What will hold the Democratic/Liberal forces together when Bush leaves office? You do know that he is a temporary problem for your side? I predict that the tenuous liberal/progressive alliance will dissolve as the liberal coalitions did in the post-Vietnam period.


About the post in general:

The clock on Iran is ticking. The last estimate I read about the Israeli deadline for acting to remove the growing Iranian nuclear threat was one year. In other words, if UN cocktail parties and earnest letters, US blustering about consequences and EU nervous nellying bring no substantive results, within 12 months, the Israelis will take matters in their own hands.

Having to broadcast their intentions is a handicap to the Israelis, but they have played along with this farce of international diplomacy. The Syrian/Iranian backed attacks from Lebanon and Gaza provide them with an opportunity to act, instead of react, to this threat on a more spontaneous schedule. I don’t think they will waste this option.

Posted by: goodkingned at July 27, 2006 4:38 AM
Comment #171021

Am I the only one thinking that Ahmadinejad is just playing a smart political game instead of “cutting and running”?

1. The whole world (give or take a couple of countries) except for the U.S. of A. and Israel thinks Israel’s destruction of public infrastructure in Lebanon is way out of line.

2. Israel has killed 4 UN supervisors despite being warned multiple times that bombing there would put their lives in extremy jeopardy.

3. Israel has just bombed an offical Lebanese state radio site as well as a Lebanese Army base.

4. 700.000 common Lebanese people are on the run for the violence, creating a humanitarian disaster.

5. Israel is not allowing for full “humanitarian corridors” for aid to quickly and efficiently arrive where those people need it most because it hinders their strategic objectives.

By joining the world majority in condemning the disproportionate actions by the IDF, supported by the U.S., Ahmadinejad strenghtens his position domestically as well as internationally.

Posted by: Josh at July 27, 2006 4:41 AM
Comment #171024

… as well as in the entire Middle East:

“White House officials said President Bush remains opposed to an immediate cease-fire to stop violence in the Middle East, despite personal pleas from ally Saudi Arabia that he help stop the bloodshed.”

http://www.examiner.com/a-189466~U_S__Won_t_Push_for_Immediate_Cease_Fire.html?cid=rss-Politics

Posted by: Josh at July 27, 2006 5:05 AM
Comment #171027

goodkingned:

“I predict that the tenuous liberal/progressive alliance will dissolve as the liberal coalitions did in the post-Vietnam period.”

Ah, another prediction of the end of liberalism. Talk about trite.

Posted by: Tim Crow at July 27, 2006 5:16 AM
Comment #171029

Tim Crow:

I don’t predict the end of liberalism. I predict the eventual diminishing of the progressive power base as liberal interests return to the center. The survival of liberal politics hinges on taking a more centrist position that can be comfortably embraced by more than 15% of the citizenry.

Posted by: goodkingned at July 27, 2006 5:34 AM
Comment #171032

Tim Crow,

I think goodkinged has a point. For instance, Some of Bush’s actions, most notably the warrantless wiretaps, are driving together both extremely conservative and liberal interest groups and politicians. In the same way that the NRA was able to double its membership prior to the 2000 election, many liberal groups are gaining support now. However, I doubt that they’ll be able to keep it together as well once Bush is gone or if the Democrats get the House and/or Senate.

He also makes a point about fringe liberalism. While we Republicans certainly have our crazies as well, the crazies of the left tend to get much more airtime and are so confrontational about thier stances that I think it turns a lot of Americans off. Aside from those idiots at the Westboro Baptist Church, you don’t hear about far rightwingers making media spectacles of themselves in the same way that you do the rioters everytime the G-8 gets together. Further, some notable leftists, for instance Cindy Sheehan, overstayed their welcome and now look more and more like fools. The inability of the Democratic party to distance themselves from the fring elements of thier base makes it harder and harder for them to carry general elections.

Posted by: 1LT B at July 27, 2006 6:35 AM
Comment #171038

Kevin23-
What you do not see in a Nation like Iran, is not necessarily what you do not have. There’s a reason that Iran is even trying to act like a Democracy, much less departing an inch from it’s theocratic mold: the people want it. All dictatorships must keep close tabs on what the public wants, and appease that, or else they risk revolt, whether open or covert. Iran wants to be more modern, more like it use to be.

The question is: Do we have to fill up body bag after bodybag with our own soldiers in order to defuse threats? I say no. This administration has a one track mind when it comes to foreign policy, and that plays right into the hands of those dictators who need a belligerent other to propagandize with. Now war might be necessary with one power or another, but what we don’t need is every foreign policy problem to be treated like a nail, just because Bush and company know how to use a hammer.

As for Kofi Annan? I think the Israelis have been reckless from the start in this campaign, and that the Bush Administration has been either egging them on, complicit, or looking the other way, because it fits their notion of gut instinct action which brooks no compromise.

Unfortunately, many people on the right do not see all the gradations that could exist with Israel standing still and getting hit, and Israel employing the excessive means it has. They simply, uncritically, declare that anything less than an unrestrained response is Israel being thrown to the wolves.

Same old stuff, emotional blackmail in the place of critical examination. It might feel liberating to approach terrorism and foreign policy this way, but it entraps and ensnares nations more than it serves them to approach things this way.

As for the UN Bombing, Israel should make some kind of formal apology. They are responsible for those deaths whether it was an accident or an intentional act. Kofi shouldn’t loose his cool, given his line of work, but Israel should not treat this as if it were nothing.

Tim Crow-
Term limits, thank God, will take care of Bush and Cheney. What we have to worry about is gaining and sustaining a majority.

Goodkingned-
I think there’s been a shift in both the population and the political sphere. Whether we hold together in the wake of Republican defeat is anyone’s guess, but even if we don’t, I doubt Republicans will hold power like they’ve held up to now. You’ve got too many people out there for whom the actions of this legislature and this president have effectively been the straw that breaks the camel’s back.

1LT B-
Far Rightwingers making media spectacles of themselves? Hannity, Rush, Fallwell, Robertson, Coulter, Santorum, Scarborough, Savage, The leaders of the NRA, etc, etc. The Far Right is continuously on Talk Radio, on FOXNews, pumping it’s product out to a public that’s continually told about the hidden bias of the mainstream media, even while they’re sold the blindingly obvious bias of the Right.

The thing is, while we Democrats can’t or won’t jettison the fringe, the Republicans have not only embraced it but put it at the wheel, growing its main support at the fanatical fringe at the expense of letting its centrist base atrophy.

The Republicans need to rediscover their center. The Democrats have no such problem.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at July 27, 2006 8:14 AM
Comment #171046

Stephan:

Your points are a little biased. I agree that the Republicans may lose some power. I don’t think that Bush will be the reason though. Unlike most Democrats, Republicans realize that Bush is a limited time offer. I think that Republicans will be less dominant simply because of the natural ebb and shift between the two parties. All bets are off for the Presidency though. Who wins will depend on the quality of the candidates presented by the Parties.

In regard to your assertion that the Republican media celebrities are more visible, embraced and significant than the Democrats celebrities, I disagree. Most of the Republicans you mention are professional newscasters, analysts or columnists. These persons are not lauded and paraded from one photo op by Republican politicians. The religious representatives you mentioned are occasionally thrown a bone, but Republicans do not rush to have their names associated with Falwell or Robertson.

On the other hand, the Democrats frequently have dog and pony shows with fringe celebrities to garner publicity. This is exemplified by the public endorsement of Cindy Shehan by the bulk of the luminaries of the Democratic Party.

Personally, I hope we see a movement to the center by both parties so that we can address issues such as the preservation of abortion rights, the enactment of civil unions and a return to a reasonable stance on religious freedom.

Posted by: goodkingned at July 27, 2006 9:14 AM
Comment #171057
Ahmadinejad Quivers At The Prospects Of WarAhmadinejad Quivers At The Prospects Of War

So does Bush…why not let just the two of them duke it out and avoid killing so many of our precious children…they could even wear armor; I’m sure Bush still has that ridiculous codpiece from his “Mission Accomplished” flight…

Posted by: Lynne at July 27, 2006 11:38 AM
Comment #171060

This same guy has suggested that the US government is responsible for 9/11 in his letter to the president. He’s simply always going to be our enemy and can never be trusted. I only hope we can check him without getting into an Iraq-like quagmire.

Posted by: Max at July 27, 2006 11:54 AM
Comment #171066

Lynne,

I think you hit the nut on the head. The go-war crowd is simply overcompensating for a lack in something else.
Bush is missing his brain and apparently his “cod” but Iran has aparently found their asshole. Most people thoguht they couldn’t tell their ass from a hole in the ground, but hey, they showed us.
Dick has lost his groove but at least Al has lost his beard. I miss the beard.
Hezbollah is missing their soul and the Israelis have lost their patience. I can’t understand why anyone would side with Hezbollah, but hey, Adjimabuji does.
One giant circle.

Posted by: Dave1 at July 27, 2006 12:34 PM
Comment #171070

To all who use the “disproportionate” argument.

You are telling me that if you and I were 20 feet apart, and you fired a weapon at me, that no matter what my age, or size, that I could only respond to you with a weapon equal to or less than what you used against me.

With that argument in place from your gallery, I would recommend that you do not meet me in a dark alley after dark. I would use the opposite argument to protect myself.

Posted by: tomh at July 27, 2006 12:48 PM
Comment #171080

tomh, I dunno. If I throw a small rock at you, and you respond with a nuke, most people would say that was disportionate. Admittedly, this is an extreme hypothetical, but causing the deaths of hundreds of uninvolved people over the loss of a few seems rather extreme too.

More to the point, though, it just seems like the cycle of violence continues with no good end in sight. The paradigm seems flawed. I don’t know the solution.

Posted by: Trent at July 27, 2006 1:28 PM
Comment #171090

Trent,

Does the analogy of : You kill 3, kidnap 2, then lob several hundred missles, then I ask for a cease fire : seem like a “disproportionate response”?

Posted by: Dave1 at July 27, 2006 1:45 PM
Comment #171092

Dave, no it sounds like insanity. Like I said, I don’t know the solution, but what we do know is that historically in the region disportionate response, though perhaps gratifying to some, hasn’t seemed to solve matters.

Posted by: Trent at July 27, 2006 1:53 PM
Comment #171094

Israel seems to agree that their military losses are disproportionate to the progress they are making. Good point.

After suffering a lot of KIA in a Lebanese town that was already declared under their control they are now switching to less manpower and even more air firepower. This again will make the response even more disproportiate to the Lebanese people (not including Hezbollah) by default, as bombs still don’t seem to be that smart.

Posted by: Josh at July 27, 2006 1:58 PM
Comment #171097

Trent,

I agree that “teerrorists win by not losing”. But history also says that the more of them they kill, the longer the Israelis have between battles. Sucks, but that’s the way it is.

Josh,

Hezbullah is looking forward to their 72 virgins. The Lebanese now just hate both sides more.

Posted by: Dave1 at July 27, 2006 2:11 PM
Comment #171131

goodkingned:

“The survival of liberal politics hinges on taking a more centrist position that can be comfortably embraced by more than 15% of the citizenry.”

This argument is popular among the Right, and is as contrived as everything else they do. How in the hell did this country get shanghied by the Far Right, for instance? Lies, decent, slick advertising and a fist-full of hysterical non- issues like flag burning ammendments, Defense of Marriage bills, and Defense of Life nonsense.

Can you actually, with a straight face, tell me that the Bush administration and this Congress is in the political center? What nonsense! Their corporate fascism and cowboy foreign policy does NOT represent the center of this country—and the polls and the increasing resistance to the law-breaking (even by members of the GOP), lying and the total lack of level-headed governance will be a legacy that the GOP will have to repair.

GOP candidates in marginal districts around the country are running away from GW as fast as their little porky legs can carry them. The GOP is a miasma of cronyism, corruption and malfeasance. Only gerrymandering, money and voter suppression in minority districts keeps them in office.

I could argue the contrary view—the GOP is, by any reckoning, about to have it’s clock cleaned in November, if polls can be believed. Perhaps the GOP is only attractive to the %20 of the kool-aid drinkers and the defense contractors and the people making over 100k/year. Maybe it’s the Right that has lost it’s voice, by straying so far to the Right that it’s lost it’s bearings. Maybe the only way conservatism can continue it’s eternal delaying actions against progress is by moving to the center.

In November, we shall see.

Posted by: Tim Crow at July 27, 2006 3:26 PM
Comment #171137

goodkingned-
My points are a little biased? That just would not do. This is a political site after all.

All joking aside, I don’t buy natural ebb and flow. I think there’s a natural fluctuation between different styles of governance, different attitudes, but these are not based on immutable laws of physics, but emergent states of mind. By emergent, I mean that different things on people’s minds shape their views together, in a way that the individual issues would not.

There’s a book called Ubiquity by Mark Buchanan. The subject, essentially, is how change washes over systems once certain factors exceed a certain critical threshold. Massive forest fires become commonplace and harder to extinguish because of all the fuel that years of misguided forest policy. Sand starts slipping down a dune face, or mud down the side of a rain-drenched hill as the weight of the dirt exceeds the friction gripping it there.

And political parties build up grievances with their constituents until at some point, people decide that other candidates and other parties serve them better. Even years of domination won’t necessarily save them. In fact, it might just help to add fuel to the fire.

The way these shifts occur, though, depend on where things break and how. The most lethal place for a political party to lose people’s confidence is on policy. People, especially in America, are more concerned about what happens in their daily lives (or what could happen) than they are about more distant issues.

On the war, on Katrina, on the Budget, on energy policy, the Bush administration has made the fatal mistake of making the consequence of their bad or partisan decisions ones that people actually cared about.

The ground has shifted, that’s my opinion. Whether or not it support a Republican majority is an open question. One thing it won’t support is this Republican majority.

On the subject of Republican media figures, I was responding to 1LT B’s claim that Right-Media figures get less airtime. They have FOXnews, for crying out loud. They have smorgasbord of political fringe people broadcasting their points of view in all mediums, and their fringe dominates the dialogue in a way ours don’t.

Noam Chomsky might get airtime, but he’s not given the kind of book deals and media presence a Hannity or Coulter. His books languish on the back shelfs while theirs are marketed into becoming bestsellers. Michael Moore has great media presence, but if you really go through his arguments (like a well-armed populace not necessarily being the source of the excessive gun violence in America) You’ll find he’s less fringe than some people claim. In the light of recent events, you could even say he represents consensus on many issues.

Democrats might have endorsed what Cindy Sheehan was doing when she was camped outside Bush’s ranch, but she hasn’t been turned into a major spokesman for the party, or for the Democratic constituents. And no, movie stars don’t count. We’re talking influence here.

The change has largely been toward greater aggressiveness, rather than towards greater radicalism. There’s nothing much radical about what we want, unless you’re far to the right.

tomh-
What If I were shooting at you from the midst of a crowd? Would you be justifying in spraying me with a machine gun, knowing you could hit others than me, who have done nothing to threaten or harm you?

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at July 27, 2006 3:47 PM
Comment #171147

lLT B:

I don’t watch the MSM, so I don’t know who they’re peddling these days. Trouble with your point is, we as a country are living as I speak with the effects of Far Right lunacy, which has shredded the Constitution, is endeavoring to make education, the manufacturing sector ,living standards for working people and the military on par with a third-rate nation. All in the name of patriotism and free markets.

Your point about the unifying of diverse groups against the FISA wiretapping issue, is a good one—and a strong indication that preservation of Constitutional principles are a non-partisan issue. Noone knows better than a true conservative what the fiscal free-for-all this administration as unleashed has done to the economic foundations of this country. Hell, even libertarians detect fascist creep in the flouting of law and legal precedents.

Your point about the Leftist fringe sinking the Dems is about as trenchant as the GOP letting the neo-cons and the Radical Theocrats like Falwell and Robertson run their party. They do not represent the center, yet they are running the GOP show.

Everything the GOP and Conservatives stand for is a preservation, a retrenching, a controlling, seasoned with a healthy dose of fear, of the unknown, the unknowable, the new, the revolutionary. It embraces the status quo and the knowable, the tried-and-true, a value system that believes in tradition and clear sign posts.

The trouble is, I don’t see these particular positions being concerned with inequality, with economic injustice, with fair play. And I truly believe that Conservatism is not only ill-equipped to deal with the problems this country is facing in the next ten years, it has become part-and-parcel of those problems—fiscal irresponsibility, jingoistic foreign policy, an utter disregard of the economic decline of the middle class and the enabling of an wealth chasm between the haves and have nots that truly threatens the stability of the Republic.

I sincerely believe that this country is going to be doing some serious broken-field running in the future, and I don’t see the Right as having the wherewithall or gumption to do it on their own. And you know what? I don’t think the left has all the anwers either. But we as a nation are going to be forced by circumstances to be flexible in dealing with the serious challenges we face. Partisanship will be a luxury we can ill-afford. Sometimes a workable plan will come from the Left, sometimes it will come from the Right. We had better be Americans about it and be pragmatic. There are no guarantees, so we better be nimble on our feet. The existence of the United States may depend on it.

Believe me, Sheehan and Coulter and Limbaugh and Franken are the least of this country’s problems right now. They are only icons. A nine trillion dollar national debt, and increasing ownership of America by foreigners because of this whopping debt, that’s a serious problem. The decline of the dollar, the decline of public education, the pricing out of reach of college education for more and more aspiring and deserving students, the 46 million people without health insurance, the slow disappearing of quality jobs that pay a living wage with benefits—this is what we need to deal with.

I’ll leave global warming, environmental destruction of our eco-systems around the world, nuclear poliferation, a sensible energy policy that addresses this country’s needs twenty years down the road, for another day.

Posted by: Tim Crow at July 27, 2006 4:16 PM
Comment #171151

Stephen:

“Term limits, thank God, will take care of Bush and Cheney. What we have to worry about is gaining and sustaining a majority.”

Agreed, but the way you sustain a majority is by clear, level-headed policy that invigorates your base. Here are my suggestions:

A economic program that emphasizes economic populism and a redistributing of weath downward to the working classes. Pronto.

A real program for dealing with energy independence, one that ignites local and national resources, creates jobs, and hopefully limits a spendthrift foreign policy that endangers humankind with wars over resources.

A real program that deals with global warming and environmental degradation of the planet. Now!

A total revamping of a health care system that only works for the rich.

In keeping with our environmental and energy-independence programs, a revitalizing of American education, with assurances that everyone who has the talent and the desire can go to college and graduate school.

All of this is a tall order. We are in a fix, frankly. We’re broke. But energy independence and a true plan to deal with a non-oil future, and global warming must be non-negotiable. The other programs must be instituted slowly, over the years.

Posted by: Tim Crow at July 27, 2006 4:37 PM
Comment #171181

Stephen-

I couldn’t agree more about the comparisons of people like Moore v. those of the truly radical right. There is no question that the far right’s reaction to moderate dissent is to call it leftist extremism. It goes both ways, but Republicans have really mastered the art of making people lose context of what the right v. left debate truely consists of. Also, I notice that the true leftist radicals are conveniently ignored by people like Rush and Coulter, who instead villanize mothers who lost their loved ones in Iraq or 9/11, and thus everything they lived for is now gone and they want formal recognition of their pain. Not what I consider to be a radical.

So I also laugh when I hear people spouting off about the biased media. Look at the ratings (what people actually watch) and you’ll see that people are not crying out for the “Ann Coulter Show” - its more of a niche market.

Posted by: Kevin23 at July 27, 2006 5:50 PM
Comment #171186

The analogy about shooting into the crowd misses one crucial fact without which I cannot make a clear connection to the current struggles: the circumstances of those in the crowd. Didn’t they hear and see that someone was provoking a gun battle from where they were? I know the second I heard the guy next to me fire away at someone, I’m putting as much distance between me and him as possible. And if the guy shooting back at him first yelled “MOVE!” and fired a few warning shots, I think it is safe to say that while it is still inherently dangerous, it is now understandable and possibly justified. Lets just hope there were no people around who were deaf, dumb and blind.

Posted by: Kevin23 at July 27, 2006 5:57 PM
Comment #171233

Charlie,

“I keep hearing this administration saying they want to spread Democracy. I say they’ve got the horse before the cart. They want to spread the desire for freedom.”

I think that’s a very fair criticism and an excellent point.

PHX 8,

I truly think Ahmadinejad is only buying time and his desire to reach a N. Korea like nuclear level (even if it costs his people like it did North Koreans) is what drives his every waking moment. Indeed, why were Iranians in N. Korea to watch the missile launches? It certainly wasn’t for the roasted dog. (Or maybe it was, who knows?)

Does anyone else question the Iranian addition to the turmoil in Iraq? I got that word from the same news sources that said we hadn’t found any serious levels of WMD yet.

Posted by: Ken Strong at July 27, 2006 9:19 PM
Comment #171299

Stephen, Tim,

Good points, but I still stand by what I said. People like Rush Limbaugh and Anne Coulter essentially preach to a choir and are not in the same category as someone like a Barbara Streisand (isn’t she supposed to be living somewhere outside of the US, I could’ve sworn she said that) who becomes a celebrity first then decides to get political because everybody else is doing it. I’ve never heard any Democrat condemning people like Belefonte (?spelling) or any of those other wackjobs.

Both parties are in a bind. To win in a primary requires mobilizing the base, in this case the far left and right respective to each party. This creates the problem of reconciling what a candidate told the base when talking to everybody in a general election. I believe the Democrats are realizing that thier base and its positions are far less attractive to the general public than is the far right. For example, do you think the Democrats would ever have voted for a parental notification bill for interstate abortions such as what just passed the Senate in Clinton’s time?

While Americans right now are justly pissed off with the Republicans, I don’t think the Democrats are going to be able to do much with a majority even if they get one. If they don’t win both Houses, then the obstructionism we’ve seen from them so far is likely to be mild compared to what we’re in for in the next 2 years. I would also predict a lot more Bush vetoes. After all, Dean himself said after 2004 that the Democrats strategy was to obstruct the Republicans, so what’s good for the goose may end up being good for the gander (just bad for the American people).

Posted by: 1LT B at July 28, 2006 2:09 AM
Comment #171306

1LT B:

“While Americans right now are justly pissed off with the Republicans, I don’t think the Democrats are going to be able to do much with a majority even if they get one.”

I think you’re whistling passed the graveyard on this one. The Dems need only one house of Congress—why? They will then have the ability to launch investigations with subpoena power. That is the definition of a GOP nightmare—Waxman, or Feingold or Conyers heading a committee with subpoena power.

But, we shall see in November.

Posted by: Tim Crow at July 28, 2006 3:25 AM
Comment #171322

“The United States is conducting its international policy through deceit, money and treachery,”

Umm, sort of like the way Iran and Syria are with regards to Hezbollah??

Posted by: Buffie at July 28, 2006 7:04 AM
Comment #171343

“The United States is conducting its international policy through deceit, money and treachery,”

Leftist kool-aid. Rightist kool-aid.
Both are incredibly ignorant.

Posted by: Dave1 at July 28, 2006 9:19 AM
Comment #171367

“The Dems need only one house of Congress—why? They will then have the ability to launch investigations with subpoena power. That is the definition of a GOP nightmare—Waxman, or Feingold or Conyers heading a committee with subpoena power.”

Another laser-beam-focused statement on what the Dems think the top issues in sequential order are.

Step 1: Attack Republicans. Subpoena’s galore!

Step 2: Ensure the freedom for any and every type of abortion. Outlaw the idea of abstinence.

Step 3: Outlaw the term “terrorist” and replace it with “World Civilization Challenged”.

Step 4: Make multiple, unverifiable, and unenforceable treaties with Iran, Syria, & North Korea and then tout them all as a brilliant diplomatic success. (Well, they already did that with N. Korea.)

Step 5: Send 500 billion bucks to Venezuela with an apology note: “Chavez, we’ve obviously done something to upset you and your feeling are your feelings so, (whimper) we offer our sincere regrets. Please forgive anything and everything the USA has done to hurt your wonderful nation. Obviously buying your one rare export product and being your # 1 customer in this regard led to ill feelings. In the future we will just give you money and not ask for any oil. Go Socialism Go!”


Posted by: Ken Strong at July 28, 2006 10:18 AM
Comment #171419

No need to repeat myself, see 9:19

Posted by: Dave1 at July 28, 2006 12:29 PM
Comment #171524

Ahmadinejad is a Muslim Nazi. He, like most Muslims, believe in the coming of the Islamic messiah, who will bring the world into a total Islamic state. In order for the messiah to return, the ‘Great Satan’ must be destroyed. The ‘Great Satan’= Israel and… America (don’t we feel special :) ). Jews must wear a patch on their coats in public. Unlike Hitler’s Nazis, Ahmadinejad believes in Muslims instead of Germans as superior.

Posted by: stubborn conservative at July 28, 2006 6:55 PM
Comment #171569

Stubborn Conservative,

Even though your post makes a lot of sense, it won’t get anywhere with the left. They would rather compare Bush to Nazis than Ahmadinejad, and they often do!! Sad but true.

Posted by: Ken Strong at July 28, 2006 8:38 PM
Comment #171601

and on it goes…

Bush is a fascist by-the-way, not a Nazi.

Posted by: Dave1 at July 28, 2006 10:26 PM
Comment #171711

I am sorry the UN Peacekeepers died in the bombing. However, nobody talks about the fact that the UN “Peacekeepers” video taped the capture of the soldiers from Israel and then denied they had. Well, yes I guess we (un (small caps for a reason-peacekeepers) do have that tape. We fight terrorism, but feel sorry for the people who hide and defend them, but bad-mouth those who actually stand up and fight for their right to exist. Go figure.

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