Corruption Or Incompetence: The Lost Cause Of Border Security

According to a Pew Hispanic Center survey conducted back in March 2006, approximately 850,000 illegal immigrants penetrate the US-Mexico border each year. Today, illegal immigrants makeup approximately 4% of the US population, 5% of the workforce, 50% of California’s prison population, 20% of the general prison population, and 17% of the federal prison population. In the next 24 hours, an additional 2,400 illegal immigrants will have successfully crossed the US-Mexico border.

When it comes to border security, President Bush has not only failed the American people, but he has actually placed us in harm’s way. The US-Mexico border is quite possibly the most easily penetrated border in the entire world. Meanwhile, America remains the loftiest of targets for terrorist activity. President Bush’s negligence is criminal.

When Congress created the Department of Homeland Security back in 2002, the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) was broken up into two separate departments: Citizenship and Immigration Services (CIS) and Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). Aside from creating more bureaucracy, the replacement of the INS with two departments has accomplished little. Indeed, the corruption with which the INS was plagued is equally prevalent in the institution’s replacements.

National Security

America’s largely un-patrolled borders poses a significant threat to our national security. While the vast majority of illegal entries into the United States arrive from Mexico, our border with Canada cannot be overlooked. Anybody who crosses either border without detection must be recognized and treated as a security risk. In fact, from the moment a person steps foot on American soil without proper documentation, he or she has already committed a federal offense:

U.S. Code, Title 8, Section 1325: Improper entry by alien

Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.

More importantly, the ease with which illegals are crossing our borders on a daily basis sends a clear signal to the entire world that America remains vulnerable to attack.

The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has released a troubling report, detailing the extent to which America’s security is at risk. Kenneth Timmerman of NewsMax writes:

[The] DHS Office of Inspector General revealed that 45,008 aliens from countries on the U.S. list of state-sponsors of terror (SST) or from countries that protected terrorist organizations and their members were released into the general public between 2001 and 2005, even though immigration officers couldn't confirm their identities.

Even worse, the report states: "it is not known exactly how many of these . . . aliens were ultimately issued final orders of removal and actually removed, since such data is not tracked" by the Detention and Removal Office of Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

The type of aliens to which the report is referring are known as OTMs, or "other than Mexicans." Under current US immigration laws, OTMs are subject to a "catch and release" policy. Basically, illegal immigrants from countries outside of Mexico are immediately released and allowed to live in the United States while awaiting a deportation hearing.

According to the DHS report, approximately 85 percent of the 45,008 OTMs (40,804) "will abscond" even if deportation orders are issued. Of course, the "45,008" figure provided by the report says nothing about the OTMs that successfully eluded detection.

Timmerman’s article continues:

"The release of these OTMs [other than Mexicans] poses particular risks," the Inspector General report said. The report cited a recent U.S. intelligence assessment indicating that "terrorist organizations . . . believe illegal entry into the U.S. is more advantageous than legal entry for operations reasons."

Since 2001, the number of "OTMs" arrested for illegally entering this country has jumped by 27 percent to more than 145,000 per year.

From 2001 through the first half of 2005, 605,210 "OTM" aliens were arrested for violating U.S. immigration laws. But a lack of beds at detention facilities and other factors compelled the government to release 51 percent of them into the general population, while awaiting an immigration hearing on their final status.

Corruption

The threat posed by illegal immigration is exacerbated by the "culture of corruption" under which immigration officials operate. Michael J. Maxwell, the former chief of the CIS Office of Security and Investigation, claims:

"Internal corruption at CIS is so pervasive that hostile foreign governments have penetrated the agency. . . . Terrorists and organized crime are gaming the immigration system with impunity. Taken together, these three elements form the perfect storm."

Maxwell was forced to resign his post earlier this year.

CIS has documented an illegal immigration route through the Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico that is easily exploited by terrorists and foreign intelligence agents. According to an internal CIS report, smugglers are "using the islands of St. Thomas, St. Croix, and St. John for ‘staging landings’ of illegal immigrants, and that ‘smuggling ventures within the Caribbean meet with little to no resistance.’" According to Maxwell, corrupt immigration officers have facilitated the practice. He adds:

"The smugglers know that only one flight per day is inspected, so they put these folks on other flights."

[C]orrupt U.S. immigration officials helped smugglers obtain false identity documents, so the illegals could "hit the beach with dry clothes and immigration documents waiting for them . . ."

Maxwell reiterated his concern in April 2006, under "sworn testimony before House International Relations subcommittee on International Terrorism and Nonproliferation." According to his testimony, Maxwell’s office received numerous complaints of "USCIS employees providing material support to known terrorists or being influenced by foreign intelligence services."

[Maxwell testified that] one USCIS employee, "co-opted by a foreign intelligence entity," had "the ability to grant the immigration of their choosing to the person or persons of their choosing."

Government and the Media

While the corruption that Maxwell speaks of is directed at CIS and ICE, it would be a terrible mistake to overlook the corruption of government officials and the media, who have failed to alert us to these and other concerns. In fact, the issue of border security has been spun so effectively, that it has been reduced to a pro- or anti-immigration debate. (We have gone from illegal immigrants, to illegals, to undocumented workers, to undocumented citizens, to just plain immigrants.)

Government officials have been pandering to a community of illegal immigrants that can't even vote. Meanwhile, conscientious Americans who are concerned for their safety, and the safety of their country, have been completely marginalized in the process.

The media, on the other hand, has been bought and paid for by organizations like La Raza, whose message is quite simple: you either support citizenship for all illegal immigrants, or you’re a racist. An organization called "The Race" is accusing Americans of being racist; now, that’s ironic.

The Solution

In recent years, journalistic integrity has been replaced by ideological dispositions. Among the worst offenders is the Associated Press, which is engaged in a journalistic jihad against the West. Unfortunately, the only recourse that Americans have is to bring attention to the bias that pervades the media in general.

The government, on the other hand, is far more vulnerable to the average American. While mass impeachment of elected officials is an unfeasible course of action, voting out incumbents is not. Midterm elections are right around the corner and Americans should prepare themselves to vote across party lines. If a Democrat is willing to take on the real issue of border security, then a Democrat deserves the vote and likewise for a Republican.

Our government has enjoyed a free-ride for far too long and the time has come for Americans to fight back. The people who are currently charged with governing our country are the last people that deserve such power. Once we face that simple truth, change will inevitably follow. After all, with a single ballot, we can change the entire system.

(Hat Tip: Tomh)

Posted by Dr Politico at June 15, 2006 6:24 PM
Comments
Comment #158184

So… ummm…. ahem. Pardon me for noticing this. You see, I have heard we are in a War on Terror. But, the problem is, you see, the border is wide open, as you pointed out, and well…

Where are the terrorists?

Surely we would be capturing a few hundred a year, attempting to infiltrate. We are spending billions and billions of dollars, you know, more than the rest of the entire world combined.

Ok. How about capturing a dozen terrorists?

Ok. How about “some guy.”

Posted by: phx8 at June 15, 2006 6:39 PM
Comment #158189

Hey phx8…how about Osama Bin Laden???

I agree that this is a huge issue, but the numbers are a bit overstated. The number of crossings is deceptive becaue it doesn’t consider that the same person is usually crossing several times a year. There is really no hope of stopping it by throwing money at it…just like the war on drugs, it is a demand problem. WE hire them. WE let them have free medical care. and WE give them amnesty if they stay long enough. It’s crazy! We’re mad at THEM?

Posted by: Kevin23 at June 15, 2006 6:53 PM
Comment #158190

The problem is real, and there are two solutions. One, the borderS (southern and northern), need to be secured as much as is possible. This is clear to anyone except those who take advantage of our current lax security.

However, this is American, the land of opportunity, send us your tired, your poor, etc. We can make this problem a thing of the past by making legal immigration a much easier, more efficient system.

Posted by: David S at June 15, 2006 6:59 PM
Comment #158195

David S

I agree with you. I think we should make immigration easier. If someone has a job let them in. I always like people who are productive to society. I realize that we need to have criminal back ground checks and make sure that they are not a security risk but if that passes then I say it should be good let them in. Our country is large enough for sure. Infact many of the hispanic who are here illegally live in the country anyways we need to fill those small towns again and create more growth for our country.

I use to work with immigrants for years and I think it is way to convoluted.

Posted by: Randall Jeremiah at June 15, 2006 7:15 PM
Comment #158196

Sorry DR P

I enjoyed your article and I agree we need to get those out of office that are not willing to do what is needed to secure our borders.

Posted by: Randall Jeremiah at June 15, 2006 7:16 PM
Comment #158200

securing border has to do with national security (north and south) we have already seen terrorist groups in canada being rounded up. Who is to say that there arent any in Mexico. We all know what a fine (sarcism) job mexican authorities do with enforcing their own laws.

Securing our border also has to do with stemming the tide of illegal immigration. Yup I said it. Dont call me a racist, cause I dont buy that argument. It has to do with the integrity of our laws. Victor Davis Hanson wrote a great piece for tribune services today, which I read in today’s San Francisco Cronicle. In a nutshell, Hanson explains that “…selective compliance [of a nation’s laws] would undermine the moral integrity of the legal system…” These are the words of Socrates speaking to his followers who were trying to free him from imprisonment. Socrates chose death over what he described as “…a citizen who lives in a consensual society should not pick and choose which laws he finds convenient to obey”.

I would highly recommend reading Hanson’s other articles - he is a classicist and historian at the Hoover Institution at Stanford. Today’s article should be posted to his site in the upcoming days…


http://www.victorhanson.com

Posted by: b0mbay at June 15, 2006 7:29 PM
Comment #158205

Great post, Dr. P, especially the info re the illegal conduits in Virgin Islands and Puerto Rico. If people know of all this corruption, why in God’s name do those people still have their jobs? Oh, I forgot, because they’re busy worrying about gay marriage rights…much more important.

Also, I hear a lot of talk about securing our borders, which I agree needs to be done, but I hear nothing about the broken immigration judicial system that cannot possibly process all the people we actually do catch. There’s tons of technology out there to begin tracking down illegals, or visa-overstay. If FedEx and UPS can keep up with all those packages, seems like we could track a few million people with some innovation and sweat. And while we’re at it, how about doubling, tripling, or quadrupeling the number of immigration courts and detention areas so the illegals can actually be sent home.

Love the subject and I couldn’t agree more that our officials have screwed this up like they’ve screwed most other things up — Thanks again Dr. P.

Posted by: Maggie Rose at June 15, 2006 7:42 PM
Comment #158218

40% of all elementary students in the United States are now minorities. That means that in 10 years, 40+% of the entire US population will be minorities.

Its the End of the White Man rule.

Comprende’?

Posted by: Aldous at June 15, 2006 8:28 PM
Comment #158220

Yippee!! I can become a minority and get special benefits!

Here’s how open our borders are.

Posted by: europheus at June 15, 2006 8:34 PM
Comment #158224

Aldous…end of white man rule? If we have a minority president before 2025, I’ll be extremely impressed. Heck, I’ll be impressed if one makes it to the final cut. We all know who votes…and that’s the only numbers that politicians care when it comes to the people in their district.

Posted by: Kevin23 at June 15, 2006 8:49 PM
Comment #158230

Thanks Dr Politico for the great post.

I want to follow up with some information concerning the Border Patrol.

The National Border Patrol Council (NBPC) union represents the USBP 10,000 non-supervisory agents. The largest local is in Tucson and is Local 2544.

The Senate’s amnesty program is very unpopular with Local 2544.

Mike Albon is PIO for the Local. He says, “We strongly oppose any attemps to reward illegal alien lawbreakers. We have risked out lives to keep them out of this country. The slick politicians can call it ‘guest-worker’ or ‘earned legalization’ all they want, but it’s amnesty.”

The Local 2544’s favorite name for AZ Sen. John McCain is “Amnesty John”. Mike Albon says, “He (John McCain) always tries to downplay the fact that illegal aliens knowingly and willingly violate our laws.”

The union fears a reprise of what they say occured under the Immigration Reform and Control Act of Nov. 6, 1986. Under that act, say union officials, many who had just entered the US falsely claimed they had entered years before so they could qualify for amnest.

They have tracked down a large group and apprehended them on the Tohono O’Odham Indian reservation and two of them had freshly minted “amnesty” cards. They said they were visiting the rest of the group and had entered the country years before.

The Union’s solution:

Shut down the border to illegal crossings and then start hammering the greedy employers who hire them.

“Start deporting, we repeat, deporting, the illegal aliens who are here in violation of law. It may take years, but you don’t build a house overnight.”

As to criminalizing the illegals. They explain that it is already a federal crime to enter the country without inspection—specifically under title eight of the U.S. Code, section 1325.

The union says that it abhors the fact that President Bush has gone out of his way to assure Mexican President Fox that the US will not ‘militarize the border; “Fox has already ‘militarized’ the border. Mexico has plenty of troops on the border. We know this because we see them all the time and they shoot at us with rather large .50cal rifles. All we can do is hope their aim is bad, run from them, and then watch as the cowards from our government hide from the issue, and their government lies about them even being there.”

Local 2544 also denies any complicity in reporting Minutemen activity to the Mexican government.

AZ Gov. Janet Napolitano vetoed an immigration package that would have allowed local police to arrest illegal immigrants for tresspassing.

This did not sit well with the union:

“Napolitano is like many other tough-talking politicians. She talks about ‘illegal immigration’ and ‘out-of-control borders’ a lot-and that’s about it. If she was half as harad on illegal aliens as she was on BP agents when she was the US attorney for AZ, we would be a lot better off.”

The above was quoted extensively from NewsMax columnist Dave Eberhart in his June 14 column.

The whole purpose of showing the above is that the BP has their hands tied. These are professional men trying to do an important national security job. The politicians who hamper them should be removed from office in whatever legal way is best.

I go to Tucson every other weekend. I take my radio along to listen to DPS, BP, Customs, ICE, CIS and other government sources. The BP is hihgly visible and the radio frequencies are quite alive with traffic.

God Bless The Border Patrol.

Posted by: tomh at June 15, 2006 9:00 PM
Comment #158240

Dr. Politico,

Good article.
It is sad that both sides have dropped the ball in favor of bickering and partisan sniping.
I believe we should first and foremost seal the borders north and south. Separate the imigration issue from the security for the time being.
We need to tell them that this is a priority on both parties agendas, borders first, then if you do well with that, we’ll let you address imigration issues with all the partisan rancor you can muster.

It is time for the incumbents to get scared of us. I will not vote to return any of mine this fall, party be damned, enough is enough!!!

Posted by: Ted at June 15, 2006 10:02 PM
Comment #158242

Thank you Dr Poltico for a great post. Our elected officials are to busy with constitutional amendments to bother with enforcing the current laws.
We need to ask ourselves when is our population big enough. IS 450 million, or 600 million or do we turn into an India of China.

Posted by: j2t2 at June 15, 2006 10:16 PM
Comment #158250

And now they’re too busy with the political posturing of the Iraq Resolution. I’m so sick of the waste of time and money that our government spends on these things. They should be ashamed, especially those who introduced and ruled that these would be presented on the floor.

Posted by: womanmarine at June 15, 2006 10:42 PM
Comment #158273

I’d just settle for a fence between Michigan and Ohio.

Posted by: Don at June 16, 2006 12:52 AM
Comment #158303

Aldous,

The issue of the end of the white majority in America is totally self-imposed. I’m a white man and I don’t particuarly like the idea of being a minority in a country founded by white people. If that makes me a bigot, so be it, but any white person who says the thought doesn’t make them uncomfortable is a liar.

Like I said, we’ve imposed this on ourselves. First, we’ve never adequately pressured the government to actually secure the borders. Second, we’ve continued to hire illegals out of greed and to avoid paying American laborers American wages. Third, we’d rather buy a third car or a 3,000 square foot home than have another child. The only way the Hispanic population is outpacing the white population is by the simple fact that in a time when white people generally have more income than ever before we’re having fewer and fewer children.

If white America wants to remain the majority, we need to stop killing of a third of our unborn population through abortion and we need to value our future and legacy enough to have children.

Despite the ranting of liberals to the contrary, white society is not the root of all world evil. It has created the highest standard of living on the planet, cured innumerable diseases, and advanced the quality of life for those who live under it. It is a culture worth carrying into the future. Maybe someday we’ll figure that out.

Posted by: 1LT B at June 16, 2006 8:14 AM
Comment #158332

Abortion is NOT the problem. Having more children is NOT the answer (see China, India, etc.). There is a reason that the smarter and more well off you are, the less children you have. We realize that we don’t need an army of little helpers to get all our farm work done anymore. We invent machines.

Let us not start confusing this issue with others. This is not the time to fight fire with fire. This is a time to start thinking of how to clear the brush.

In the coming generations, we as a society are going to HAVE to deal with the population issue. I know most religous folks have a fit when you even mention it, but seriously. The world cannot handle 15 billion people. And populations grow exponentially!

Posted by: Kevin23 at June 16, 2006 11:07 AM
Comment #158342

If the hispanic population surpasses the white, I hope that we will still keep drugs illegal. Our crime is already high, so they better not make the laws softer. I hope that the minorities will follow the future president and go to college and support their families through not welfare. Most importantly, I hope we will keep our Western culture, the greatest culture. Japan is using it. China (some of it), Europe, Australia. The greatest nations today have Western Culture. It would be a blow to liberty to see it disappear.

I also push for a militarized border. That hypocrite, Fox, has his troops there, so why can’t the greatest superpower on the earth put their troops to defend their border? The illegals should just go for the legal way, or we could fingerprint them, get a picture, footprint, retina scan or picture, health background, criminal background, and other personal information. That would be great. If you are a legal immigrant from any country: Welcome, and pursue the American Dream.

These illegals are bleeding us dry with their free medical treatment and stuff like that. They are not learning the language either. There have been some cases where we caught Middle-Eastern men have shaved their beards and tried to cross the border. That means there could be some terrorists here that have crossed. I say build a wall with snipers, mines, and tanks.

Posted by: Stubborn Conservative at June 16, 2006 11:33 AM
Comment #158350

The funny thing is,I knew the post was politico’s after the first few sentences. I just have to look no further than the inflammatory,rhetoric.
Ployitico- you must realize that we are in far greater danger from a misused student visa than from a family attempting to feed themselves. An educated,manipulator who “cases” America in the guise of a student,overstays their welcome and actively plots against us is a current and real situation.
A women and child who are forced to have sex with a border patrol agent to get into the U.S.are not a threat,they are victims. But folks just keep on going on about the terrible threat down there.
I have read much about the “National I.D. Card” and it may well yet come to that. But in the meanwhile,how can you be surprised that the people who are lowest on the spectrum of opportunity,go to jail the most often.
Higher percentages of immigrants are often our guests in prison,in large part because in America,we like to imprison our population. IN fact, we imprison a larger percentage of our population than almost any other “civilized” nation.
Your quick to point out that a large percentage of Hispanics are jailed,while not addressing the fact that a huge percentage of African-American men, who are legally here,are also imprisoned.
Our justice system need some help,but lets all just pick on the poorest and easiest targets.
Lets get it together,Hispanics who come here are looking for work and opportunity.
Those of us who are born here are lucky. I can’t and will not accept the fact that we are so petty and greedy we can’t recognize the burning desire for freedom and a better life in others.

Posted by: jblym at June 16, 2006 11:57 AM
Comment #158358

DR Politico, thank you for posting a fact based article in the Red Column. These facts clearly demand that the Bush WhiteHouse and the Democrats alter their stance by making the securing of our borders their first, and top priority. It is a pleasure to agree with Republicans on this vitally important issue.

Posted by: David R. Remer at June 16, 2006 12:06 PM
Comment #158360

I find that the biggest problem with immigrants is their inability to adapt. I do not find it insulting that a family would want to maintain culture such as language, stories, and even ethics. I do find it troubling when a person comes here solely for economic reasons, spends the vast majority of their time in that endeavor, and all the while allows his/her children (which tend to be much higher in numbers) to run a muck on the streets. It’s not that they are even endorsing the bad behavior of their offspring. It is just that they are incapable of understanding their “Americanized” children. And the children, who most would agree need to be carefully guided by parents to make them respectable, productive and valuable citizens, actually begin running the parents (manipulating them, lying to them, and ALWAYS getting their way).

My best freind works for LAPD, and tells me the vast majority of those who are stopped and discovered with guns, drugs, and other evidence of violent crimes are children no where near 18 years old. Those kids are left to fend for themselves while the parents either work, or concentrate on the younger children. Moreover, they become especially astute at tricking their parents into believing anything they say to avoid any sort of responsibility. The parents will believe any lame excuse the kids give even when they are in court faced with a wall of evidence to the contrary. They play it down as racist or that someone is out to get them. You complicate this by adding multiple families to one house (a lack of code enforcement by municipalities), and you are left with deteriorating property values, bad schools full of kids who do not have to answer to anyone at home, a social network which is dominated by these illiterate street-savvy children with no aspirations outside of that, and a lack of good businesses who are willing to put up with the non-sense. To top it all off, if you say anything (even if it is drenched in fact) which even remotely sounds racially motivated, you are immediately ridiculed by local media for being ignorant or insensitive. So what do people do? They move away….quietly. They go where the good schools are, where the good businesses are, where people perceivably care about the future. And they drive up the prices of these areas and effectively segregate themselves (ex. Marin County). So now the dichotomy is amplified and the real options become more limited, unless you have a lot of money. It is becoming harder to “just move” and there is only so much land.

In truth, people do things for there own reasons which are all unique. But in general, nobody likes living next to people who are not reasonable, not perceptive, and who constantly fall back on a “Us v. Them” attitude rather than accept the smallest amount of personal accountability. And illegal immigrants in Southern California unintentionally tend to be this way whether they realize it or not. We need to find a way of ensuring that those who come here to work, put their kids in public schools, and hopefully vote actually have the ability to make intelligent decisions. In other words, not everyone is qualified. In fact, most aren’t. And they perpetuate this for generations until finally someone looks past their neighborhood and into the real world.

Notice I didn’t even touch on prisons, crime, health care, welfare, etc. There are so many economic effects it is impossible to quantify. One thing is certain: those who feel the most impacted are no longer there to solve any of the problems - they are now living in Oregon, and next Canada…then what? Yukon? I say deal with the problem NOW! BEFORE it gets past the point of all hope.

But as many posters here have already alluded: people are too busy playing partisan politics and mixing this issue with abortion, racism, etc.

Posted by: Kevin23 at June 16, 2006 12:08 PM
Comment #158374

It is illegal to hire illegal aliens. This is what America does:

‘selective compliance [of a nation’s laws] would undermine the moral integrity of the legal system’

So, we arrest some of the nasty ones and leave the employers alone.

Posted by: Oex at June 16, 2006 1:17 PM
Comment #158400

I’ve said it before…

The status quo is not going to change with respect to the border. There are many reasons why, but the most significant is that there are significant monied interests quite literally INVESTED in things not changing. These interests also give large political donations to both parties, but lately to the Republicans, mostly, just because they are the ones pulling all the strings right now.

As for the rather silly attack on the media. It’s tired. It is not even remotely true. Our media is biased to the right, not the left. I have pointed this out by specific examples over and over and over. It isn’t getting through.

I’ve pointed out how the media was biased to the right with respect to the Tom Delay fiasco, the Plame-gate leak (which bothers me a lot considering that Rove actually ADMITTED it and the media is NOT holding his feet to the fire!), tort-reform, Enron, Clinton’s mess of 8 years ago, Iraq, etc. etc.

I even knew a Karate instructor in South Austin who had the gall to accuse the RED-CROSS of being liberally biased in bringing out the story on ABU-GHRAIB. Never mind that the reason it was the RED-CROSS was because they have the duty to report on POW conditions as per the Geneva convention after WWII. Never mind that the RED-CROSS is that organization that ELIZABETH DOLE headed. The bias accusation are getting intensely rediculous. I feel the need to call out anybody who furthers this myth since not doing so leeds to the Goerbles pheonomenon: telling the same lie over and over eventually works!

I don’t know why this isn’t sinking in. Is it that we have reached the saturation point? Goerbles used the tactic with the Germans of telling the same lie over and over until the people began to beleive it. The MYTH about the American media having a liberal bias seems to be working the same way. No matter how often we point out the opposite and give evidence and examples to back it up…the myth persists.

That in itself proves the point I’m making here doesn’t it?

Posted by: RGF at June 16, 2006 2:50 PM
Comment #158401

CORRECTION -

The Geneva Convention followed WWI. I typoed WWII.

Posted by: RGF at June 16, 2006 2:52 PM
Comment #158456

1ltb-
Don’t doubt it even a little bit,you are a racist. Please don’t feel you can speak for how all white people feel,you can’t.

American car manufacturers are a good example. They send off American jobs to out of country manufacturers. If you really want to buy American,buy a Toyota,or a Hyundai,they are made here,with parts manufactured mostly by Americans. They are put together in factories that employ Americans at a decent wage. What’s up with GM?
Or Chrysler? Or Ford!

I won’t get into it about abortion with you except to say I agree with the fact that white couples do seem to be producing less offspring on average. I think it has a lot more to do with the fact that the current generation is self-absorbed and very much demanding material pleasures. This is a issue of parenting and creating a real value system in our children. In many cases we have obviously failed.

Posted by: jblym at June 16, 2006 4:44 PM
Comment #158457

jblym, your comment above clearly violates our Critique the Message, Not the Messenger policy. Comply with the policy or lose your comment privileges here.

Posted by: WatchBlog Managing Editor at June 16, 2006 4:50 PM
Comment #158464

Watchblog Editor;
I beg to differ,1ltb states ” the issue of the end of the white majority in America is totally self imposed. I’m a white man and I don’t particularly like the idea of being a minority in a country founded by white people”…he goes on to say” IF THAT MAKES ME A BIGOT,SO BE IT”. I am only agreeing with him,such thinking does make you a bigot.

1ltb also goes on to say” But any white person who says the thought doesn’t make them uncomfortable is a liar”. Now,while I can trace much of my ancestry back among Western European lineage,I would never attempt to speak for “The White People” and may I assure you, the thought does NOT make me uncomfortable.

While I agree that personal attacks are not what the blog is about,it would seem that 1ltb is making more of a confessional statement,which I properly agreed with.

Posted by: jblym at June 16, 2006 5:18 PM
Comment #158490

Watchblog Editor:
On another note,why can’t you guys get it together and let me write an editorial for you?
It seems like the same tired names,over and over.
What good is having a forum for free speech,when its only for a select elite?

Posted by: jblym at June 16, 2006 6:23 PM
Comment #158491

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I will reply to your inquiry about our writers if you address it to the same email address above. This is not the forum for that discussion.

Posted by: WatchBlog Managing Editor at June 16, 2006 6:26 PM
Comment #158531

Managing -Editor
I have once again written to you as requested via the watchblog editor application. I eagerly await your response at the enclosed e-mail address.

Posted by: jblym at June 16, 2006 9:04 PM
Comment #158583

Kevin23- Global overpopulation is a myth. Local overpopulation is not. For instance, India has over 3 times the population of the United States on half of the land. Europe has some cases of negative population growth. Therefore, it is not a global problem, but a regional one.

We have enough land to easily accomodate more people, and its in our interest for our population to grow for a variety of reasons. Number 1, if we don’t, our entire system is going to collapse as Social Security sucks up more and more of our budget. Taxes will rise, benefits will fall, and we will lack the fiscal resources to maintain our military and economic power.

jblym,

You’re a bit off by what I meant. I made the statement about being labeled a bigot knowing full well that someone would say I am one. In any case, I do not take offense as any time any white person makes that statement, they will be labeled a bigot or racist (you’re term) or a Nazi, the list goes on.

In simple point of fact, this country was founded on a western European cultural model. I fully acknowledge that it was founded also by the conquest of Native Americans and on the backs of slave labor, and that it excluded these groups and women from influence, but these facts simply validate my statement.

The definition of a racist is a person in a racial majority who believes himself to be superior to other races and has the power to bring those beliefs into practice in his country. I suppose then that the Koreans I met when I served there are racist for expecting me to conform to their rules of social behavior when I was off post. I suppose the Iraqis are racist for not wanting me to go into a mosque.

It seems like in America, being white is a series of awkward apologies for existence. I nevere owned slaves, one of my ancestors fought in the Union Army in the Civil War, yet I should feel personally responsible for slavery. I’ve never discriminated against anybody regardless of race, religion or color, yet I am somehow responsible for all discrimination, past present and future, ever perpetrated by white people.

This country needs to come to a consensus on race. The fact that I think rap is a social cancer doesn’t make me a racist, yet I’ve been labeled on for that. The fact that I think immigrants who come to a country that speaks English should learn English doesn’t make me a racist either. The liberal PC solution for racism, ie pretend that race isn’t a factor unless talking about white racism, is a farce and is hypocritical and more and more people are seeing it for that.

I do agree with your last paragraph. Parents are failing to impart proper values in their children. I wonder how much of this has to do with the fact that for 60 years liberals have done everything in their power to mock, undermine, and destroy traditional Judeo-Christian values in our society.

Posted by: 1LT B at June 17, 2006 1:02 AM
Comment #158625

“We have enough land to easily accomodate more people”

OK…then what? Same problem just pushed back. And there is more to this Earth than people. Humans are only a part.

There are hard choices to be made to be sure and not all species will be able to co-exist. But can’t we address it before it gets out of hand? In India you cannot get a pure glass of milk unless you sell your first born. It’s been reported that the average non-Brahmin indian child drinks milk that is 75% watered down. It’s a simple problem, too many mouths, not enough goats.

So how about if I say “global regional overpopulation” - because that’s probably most accurate.

Posted by: Kevin23 at June 17, 2006 2:48 AM
Comment #158642

1LT B,

I can appreciate the resentment towards those PC idiots who decided to apply two standards. Whites are not allowed to even sound racist, while minorities are incapable of being racist and can speak as they please. Unfortunately, they ran our schools for a long while. This is what happens when the federal government gets involved in education. They have to do the most careful thing…and they made it normal.

People need to start demanding better rhetoric from their elected officials first and foremost. Start booing when they say nothing for 5 minutes, or dodge a real question. Start demanding REAL public forums with real people asking real questions.

How is it they get to get away with not addressing our real concerns, not being transparent, and blatently disregarding some of our most precious laws?

I actually think that is what actually bothers me. We have many great debates in our country today, and they are all taking place in blogs and between individuals. None of them are honestly debated in public forums with people who can do something about it.

Posted by: Kevin23 at June 17, 2006 3:11 AM
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This problem is so easy to solve, but our elected officals who are bought and sold by big bussiness will never handle it. What father or mother would not come and look for a better job and better wages to help support their family.(If you would not, you are a sad excuse of a parent.)We Must hold big bussness and those who employe illegal immigrants accountable. Those who employee illegals need to be hit with big fines and then if they continue to hire illegals they need to do some jail time. The only way we are going to stop this is by cutting off the jobs that they are coming for!!!!!

Posted by: Vint G. Shurtliff at June 17, 2006 10:42 AM
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The problem is easier solved by hiting the delete button on the comments. No one will notice, really.

Posted by: G1 at June 17, 2006 11:33 AM
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1LTB-
No one has to apologize for being white. Or any other color. Its a problem when you are making judgment calls based on skin color. By not looking at a person as a whole,you create a fearful antagonistic situation.
I disagree when you say that slaves,women,indigenous population had no influence,they certainly did,and part of the problem is that it is not acknowledged.

You raise the question,if you do not follow the korean culture off base,are you being racist?
Korea has a culture that many thousands of years old,and while I never acquired a taste for Kemchi,I would not feel less honest by reacting from the culture I come from. This does not mean that I would not like to gain as much from exploring that culture as I could. When you don’t try to assimilate,you are depriving yourself of so much. There is a huge difference between bending your viewpoint in respect towards something different,and actually being hammered with it. No one should be forced to be what they are not,but lets be practical. Unless your really fond of being publicly flogged,you don’t spit on the sidewalk in Singapore.

There is a real need for people to understand that we are all motivated by the same needs and desires. We all want to be able to work towards our goals,feed our families and have a decent life. Doing these things is not dependent on Judeo-Christian values,nor any organized religious belief. It comes from having a real understanding of the most basic of rules. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.


Posted by: jblym at June 17, 2006 6:05 PM
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I was very upset to hear that our country just lets these people go in our country and await a hearing. That has got to be the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
I for one believe that this country you do have rights. But I believe that if you are an illegal you should be denied all rights.
These people say they just want to come over here and live the American dream and make money for thier families. Well as soon as they come in illegaly you have committed a felony and they know this. If they love this country soo much maybe they should start showing it and its tax paying citizens some respect and stop using the system.
I may just be a dumb hot headed 22 year old kid, but I love my country and I am tired of people taking advantage of my fellow Americans. Theses imigrants may not attack us like terroists and shed are blood. But they do attack us, they attack our way of life and they get a free pass to do so.

Posted by: Kris at June 17, 2006 10:56 PM
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So much for education in America…

Kris, ‘aliens’ actually have CONSTITUTIONALLY protected rights. We absolutely cannot run rough shod over them as though they are beneath us.

Posted by: RGF at June 18, 2006 12:32 AM
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I’M WITH KRIS I’M A AMERICAN FRESH OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL AND I CAN’T EVEN GET A SIMPLE JOB TO HELP PAY FOR FOR COLLEGE.
EVERYWHERE I GO THIER SOME MEXICAN EITHER WORK IN FAST FOOD ,SALES, HOTELS ECT. MY PARENTS TELL ME TO GET A JOB TO HELP PAY FOR MY BOOKS, ROOM AND OTHER THINGS. BUT HOW WHEN THEY ARE ALL TAKEN!!
MY MON FRIEND LOSE HER JOB OF 27 YEARS AND WHY BECAUSE OF CHANGE OF MANAGEMENT .THEY SAID THEY NEED PEOPLE WHO CAN HELP WITH THIER SPANISH SPEAKING CUSTOMER. WHAT??????WHAT HAPPEN TO SPEAK ENGLISH PLEASE!! YOU GUESS IT! MEXICAN AND THEY ONLY HIRE THIER PEOPLE JUST LIKE ALL OTHER IMMIGRANTS LEGAL OR ILLEGAL!! THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT THE NATIVE AMERICAN OR PEOPLE BORN HERE FREE AND CLEAR.THEIR HURTING THE YOUNG,STUDENTS, MIDDLE AGE ,ELDERLY AND THE POOR AND UNEDUCATED AMERICANS IN THIS COUNTRY.SCHOOL ARE FILL OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS AND YOU HAVE TO KNOW SPANISH EVERYWHERE YOU GO NOW DAYS. SIGNS, NEWPAPER, AND EVEN TV! WHAT HAPPEN TO THE AMERICAN DREAM FOR AMERICANS!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: AMERICAN BABY at June 18, 2006 10:48 AM
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immigration is about the election. please do not be fooled by the pandering. They call it divisive politics, like supporting the troops, like the war terrorism, like english only, like flag burning.

Posted by: gergle at June 18, 2006 11:07 PM
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Anerican Baby:

RELAX!!!

WE DONT NEED ALL CAPS!

I know it really looks cool on MySpace, but here it’s rather annoying and telling of someone’s maturity level.

Posted by: Kevin23 at June 19, 2006 11:54 AM
Comment #159560

American Baby,

I know plenty of kids putting themselves COMPLETELY through college by working. I am guessing that you have yet to really learn HOW to look for gainful employment.

Also, you absolutely DO NOT know the immigration status of those you see working in the kinds of low-pay jobs you are describing. You can ONLY ascertain their ethnicity and you are drawing conclusions from that. I have worked in the area of immigration enough to know you would be surprised by the truth if you knew it.

There is an obvious truth to be gleaned about you from the conclusions you are jumping to. I will refrain from pointing it out here, but I encourage you to THINK and learn about how to find gainful employment that can help you. Filling your soul with misguided bile towards other people will not help you or your parents.

Posted by: RGF at June 20, 2006 2:09 PM
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