Cleaning up Baghdad

A mission to clean up Baghdad is about to begin. It’s about time.

(It may have began. I've been out all day.)

Not knowing all of the particulars, I am guessing the U.S. was waiting until more Iraqi's would be able to complete this extremely important task.
Having Iraqi's deal with this major problem is a good idea.
Putting an 'Iraqi face' on it will help to lessen the image of a U.S. occupation.

'40,000 Iraqi, US forces to mount Baghdad crackdown'

From the article:
"He said two regiments from the Ministry of Defense, two regiments from Interior Ministry and multinational forces would be deployed in the operations.

U.S. and Iraqi forces have launched several crackdowns across Iraqi aimed at rooting out insurgents and militants seeking to topple the government but they have failed to ease violence."

In my opinion, the forces need to take everyone's weapons as they work their way through the city.

I think I heard a comment about this sometime this morning. What news station said it I'm not sure, since I flip through the channels to find stories I am interested in. It had to do with making laws against having weapons.

How will the Iraqi's celebrate? Isn't a 'tradition' to step outside and fire a gun in the air? There must have been another 'tradition' before this one. Maybe they can go back to it or find a new one.

I don't know if in the film footage I saw of a man shooting a gun in the air celebrating Zarqawi's death was of a civilian or a policeman. He was standing with uniformed police.
If he was a policeman he should be the first one to stop that sort of celebration.

I don't see how Iraq can be stabilized without outlawing firearms.
They can eventually allow licensed weapons.

At this point, it should be illegal for anyone to have weapons if they are not in the Iraqi Army, police force, or the security forces.
Stabilizing that nation will never happen if the continue to let anyone have weapons.

BTW. Does anyone know if our police forces have to account for every round that they are issued? I said they do, my husband says they don't.

Posted by Dawn at June 13, 2006 4:40 PM
Comments
Comment #157334

FYI: The crackdown begins tomorrow…

Posted by: Lance-TMQ at June 13, 2006 4:52 PM
Comment #157337

Dawn

Cnn reported 70,000 tropps are expected to take part. Either way, this is a most significant step.

Baghdad holds roughly 25% of the entire Iraqi population. It is extremely important for the new government to be able to govern OUTSIDE the Green Zone.

This would be a tremendous psychologicial boost to those folks.

The hard part is the militias..it will be very interesting to see how they react the next few days.

Posted by: sicilianeagle at June 13, 2006 5:00 PM
Comment #157354

Let us all hope every Al Queda in Iraq gets killed tomorrow because that’s the only way the US can leave.

Posted by: Aldous at June 13, 2006 5:47 PM
Comment #157381

Dawn, nice to hear from you again. Let’s hope this does clean up some of the scum. I suspect it won’t have much effect. The problem in Iraq is now sectarian more than anything else.

Aldous, do I detect sarcasm?

Posted by: gergle at June 13, 2006 6:46 PM
Comment #157388

gergle, I wonder. The Crackdown will be on Sunnis. I hope this does not end up being a Sunni bloodbath. That would likely only excacerbate the sectarian violence throughout the rest of the country. I wish our troops the best. Sounds like they will be concentrated and that makes them an easier target for RPG’s and rockets.

One thing for sure, this will test the theory of whether having increased our troop strength by two or three would have made a difference in locking down Iraq, since we will see it in microcosm in Baghdad. If its successful in Baghdad, then Bush and Rummie will be proved wrong in dismissing the call by generals for far more troops before entering Iraq.

Posted by: David R. Remer at June 13, 2006 7:01 PM
Comment #157395

David,
I suspect you are right. The Shias kill Sunnis much faster than vice versa. One article suggested that for every Shia killed, Shia Death Squads kill nine Sunnis. At some point the ethnic cleansing will be complete, the sides will be separated, and most young Sunni males will be dead.

I also suspect order will be restored to Bagdhad when enough Sunnis are dead. Until then, Dawn, families cannot afford to give up their guns. Kidnappings are very common. Most families own two guns; one for the home, and one for trips outside the home.

Sicilian, the militias/Death Squads are the same as the police. Recently, the Interior & Security ministries went to Dawa & SCIRI, Shia politicians. Defense went to a Sunni, but we obviously cannot afford to arm the Sunnis. In fact, there are no Iraqi army units capable of fighting on their own. The US government used to routinely release that info. It went from three units last year, to one, to none.

Now that statistic is considered “classified.”

Posted by: phx8 at June 13, 2006 7:20 PM
Comment #157426

Another problem I see, sort of riding on the coat-tails of what David Remer said, is that such a repairs operation whether it be by the Army corps of engineer or even privatized does mean it may be an easy target for radicals. You have major trucking and envoys going in and out of certain supply roads so although I want to see the work started, it is dangerous work no doubt.

I agree that it is a step in the right direction and should have been started sooner if it was potentially viable sooner—but I’m pleased. Why because these are signs that George Bush is moving on to other steps. He has a tendency to follow one rut and stay in that rut hell or highwater—a preverbial one-trick-pony, so a change is a positive thing out of him. Bush does ruts, but very maverick ruts.

There is definitely pressure to get out of Iraq at some point, and these are undoubtedly signs that we are coming to a transition point. November elections are coming up too so it might be a political response as well—hey feel free to put those two in your own no-shit-sherlock files.

Posted by: Novenge at June 13, 2006 9:30 PM
Comment #157439

I strongly disagree with the opinion that all guns should be taken away from Iraqi citizens. That would not only be a double standard, but an unwise move. If you take away weapons from the law abiding citizens, then you empower the criminals. The Bill of Rights in this country was written to protect all men and women. I believe that the rights granted to us should be granted to people everywhere. We want the Iraqis to be our allies. Taking away their weapons would be a move that an occupational force would do, not an ally. Remember what we are really fighting for here, the basic rights of every human. Our Bill of Rights are held dear by most Americans as being “unalienable” just as the rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. These rights supercede governments. As for the terrorists, they should all be killed. I have no sympathy or compassion for them.

Posted by: Chuck Mathews at June 13, 2006 10:01 PM
Comment #157444

Thanks gergle.

Chuck.
I said temporarily.
The next best thing would be to go through and register everyone and their guns but that would take too much time.
It would not weed out the bad guys either.

Posted by: dawn at June 13, 2006 10:28 PM
Comment #157446

The Shias kill the Sunnis because they don’t like them because they don’t agree 100% with them. The Sunnis kill Shias because they don’t like them because they don’t agree 100% with them. Both are Muslims, but sides considers the other side infidels and worthy of death. And y’all don’t think they want to kill us for the same reason?

Posted by: Ron Brown at June 13, 2006 10:29 PM
Comment #157449

So much for the religion of peace.

Posted by: Ron Brown at June 13, 2006 10:30 PM
Comment #157451

Right Ron.

I never could grasp killing to spread the word of God or claiming Holy Land belongs to any specific group.
If one truly believes in ‘their God’ they should believe they can convert others through the word of said God.
If the earth has to be cleansed of non-believers by killing them, well… that is no God I want to have around.

This is the reason we need more so-called moderate Muslims to speak up and speak LOUDER, and repeat repeat repeat….

Posted by: dawn at June 13, 2006 10:37 PM
Comment #157475

Ron, Don’t forget that Protestants and Catholics had problems similar to the Sunnis and Shi’ias up until very recently. During the 1500s, 1600s and 1700s I can name several European wars that were essentially Protestant (England, Netherlands, Scandinavia, Northern Germany) versus Catholic (Spain, Portugal, Italian States, Bavaria) with France being the wildcard. Look at the French Wars of Religion, 30 years war and the war involving Spain’s Great Armada (that the British Admiral Sir Francis Drake sunk). If a previously unbiased observer knew only about the actions of Christians during these conflicts and only imagined what Christians did during the Crusades, they would probably reach the same conclusion you brought up against Islam.

As a Christian I am willing to accept the shame of being a part of the same relgion that in the past had been twisted into a lightning rod for hate. Likewise, my Muslim friend has the same feelings for Radical Muslim Jihadists.

Posted by: Warren P at June 14, 2006 12:00 AM
Comment #157476

“If a previously unbiased observer knew only about the actions of Christians during these conflicts and only imagined what Christians did during the Crusades, they would probably reach the same conclusion you brought up against Islam.”
Posted by: Warren P at June 14, 2006 12:00 AM


So why can’t the solutions used to stop crusades be used to stop jihad?
It cannot be accomplished in the near future and killing some of the ‘Radical Muslim Jihadists’ is an unforunate? necessity.

Posted by: dawn at June 14, 2006 12:08 AM
Comment #157498

dawn, what ended the Crusades was bankruptcy and the beginning of the end of feudalism. Very different circumstances today.

Posted by: David R. Remer at June 14, 2006 4:16 AM
Comment #157506
Remember what we are really fighting for here, the basic rights of every human.

Thanks Chuck to remember us that point, I guess many forget/believe it. Indeed.

As for the terrorists, they should all be killed. I have no sympathy or compassion for them.

Hurray for the basic rights of every human fight!

PS: Am I the only one to see double standard everywhere???

Posted by: Philippe Houdoin at June 14, 2006 5:39 AM
Comment #157654

Let us all hope every Al Queda in Iraq gets killed tomorrow because that’s the only way the US can leave.

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I hope they all have a change of heart and choose roadside hugs over roadside bombs.

Posted by: tree hugger at June 14, 2006 2:06 PM
Comment #158098

Think this will work better than the last crackdown in Baghdad?

Posted by: markg8 at June 15, 2006 2:55 PM
Comment #158960

Dawn,

Outlawing firearms? Only us tin hat liberals believe in that. You need to start writing in the blue column. Come on over.

Posted by: Ray Guest at June 18, 2006 9:06 PM
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