It Ain't Over Until The Fat Lady Sings!

You can break out the champagne if you want and celebrate the fact that perhaps one of the world’s most vicious and cold-blooded murderers was killed yesterday in Iraq. While we cannot pack up the troops and go home yet,this is the most significant event to occur in Iraq since Saddam’s capture in 2003…….

This morning I was treated to the news that Al Qeada's leader in Iraq,Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was killed Wednesday morning in a precision guided air strike a few miles north of Baghdad. US and Iraqi authorities confirmed this scum bag's death thru fingerprint and facial recognition,so he definitely bit the dust. This great piece of news dwarfed the other great piece of new that the Iraqi parliament approved a defense minister,Gen. Abdul Qadr Mohammed Jassim ,a new interior minister,Jawad Khadim Polani,and Shirwan al-Waili as minister of national security.
Thus,within three weeks a new paradigm is formed in Iraq:A new government and a nemesis blown away.

Nuri Kamal al-Maliki,the newly-installed prime minister ,now has a fully formed unity government that perhaps is finally on its way to create a democracy in the most hostile of places in the world. While we can he happy today that a major enemy combatant is dead,rest assured that every jihadists web site has already elevated this guy to major martyr status and a new mini-me al-Zarqwai will surface pronto and try to pick up the ball. It appears that we now MAY have the enemy on the run,but a mountain still must be climbed. Rampant corruption,a wobbly army,corrupt police,armed militia,sectarian hatred are but of the few remaining obstacles.
While we won a battle yesterday,rest assured that the war is still very much in play.
But for today at least,we can celebrate.

Posted by Sicilian Eagle at June 8, 2006 8:08 AM
Comments
Comment #155491

This may mark one of the first times the three columns agreed on anything. It’s good to see that you, like me, acknowledge that we have challenges ahead.

I don’t mind those who want to win this war; just those who think they already have it won, and that the rest of us just need to wait. The things that need to be done don’t get done if we get overconfident about the inevitability of our victories. We need the pride to stand up for what’s right, but we need the humility to push ourselves harder to get things right.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 8, 2006 8:47 AM
Comment #155492

Stephen

“A journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step”

This is a good way for the new government to start out…within three weeks of a new prime minister being named,and on the very day a unity government formed,this happened.

I have been checking out the new defense minister…a former Saddam general who spend seven years in prision.seems to be a good pick.

What the Iraq army desperately needs is a mid-level officer corps.

Perhaps now they can begin the process of getting the proper people in place,but that mid-level officer corps need guys with experience…and that only happens with the passage of time.

I think the coalition has to strike now while the iron is hot,and do something else to get the tv stations in Iraq filled with good pro-active stuff.

Here,our military must be praised.From what I read,it was acombination of Jordanian intel,on the ground intel with locals,and the raid by us.

A few hundred more time may do the trick.

We gotta roll ‘em up now while they are disorganized.

Posted by: sicilianeagle at June 8, 2006 8:55 AM
Comment #155498

I would prefer to crush him with a rock, but a bomb will do. May the same fate await all similar guys.

Posted by: Jack at June 8, 2006 9:11 AM
Comment #155501

Fan-F*ckin’-tastic! I’m relieved as this could be a turning point and one much needed. Very pleased indeed.

Posted by: Novenge at June 8, 2006 9:19 AM
Comment #155506

Al-Qaida in Iraq confirmed the death of its leader, Abu Musab al- Zarqawi, and vowed it will continue its “holy war” in a statement posted on the Web on Thursday.

“The death of our leaders is life for us. It will only increase our persistence in continuing holy war so that the word of God will be supreme,” it said.

I wish them all “much life” then :)

Is anyone else amazed that the AP & Reuters are covering Michael Berg (Nick Berg’s father… remember the businessman who got beheaded) just as much as they’re covering our successful mission? Here’s a guy who says “I blame Bush for my son’s beheading… not Al Zarqawi”… HIS SON WAS OVER THERE OF HIS OWN WILL… TO START A COMPANY… NOT BECAUSE ANYONE MADE HIM GO.

Oh yeah… Michael Berg is running for Congress on the Green Party ticket… hmmm.

Posted by: Yankee in Texas at June 8, 2006 9:25 AM
Comment #155511

Has anyone heard the news on cable—alot of negative prognostications. I have to say this is actually a situation where he will be hailed as a martyr but i think that it is a big slap to Sunni morale despite all this MSM nonsense. They are prognosticating streets will explode in violence—that’s what is pretty much what’s happening now—WTF is the difference? Those who were doing these kidnappings and beheadings had their asses kicked and I think we may have gotten more than one and will get the rest most likely and they see that.

Yes there is a civil war as the CFR has said but one that has been “lidded” and mitigated to some extent by our presense And this won’t stop that. but morale has been busted despite what the insurgents say or whom they salute as a martyr.

I don’t think anyone knows what to make of it yet (too much ambiguity in views), but it was a strike that says in one way or another that the insurgents will get theirs in time as this was a show of supremacy.

Posted by: Novenge at June 8, 2006 9:36 AM
Comment #155513

I also think it is a mistake to go on the air on all three 24 hour news stations incl. BBC and state worrisome thoughts too as this is what Al Qaida watches also to take our national temperature in reaction to actions. I say forceful words are needed now more so than pessimism. It could put them on the defense as opposed to offense—which could help. We are too “PC liberal” (dare I say) to deal with this region of the world.

Posted by: Novenge at June 8, 2006 9:47 AM
Comment #155516
Has anyone heard the news on cable—alot of negative prognostications.

I’ve been hearing a lot of talking heads on NPR describing the situation with guarded optimism. Basically, they’ve been saying it’s good for the Iraqis that he’s gone, but that doesn’t mean the insurgency won’t continue with someone just as bad taking over. Remember how optimistic people were when Saddam was captured? The insurgency exploded a few months after that.

Posted by: Steve K at June 8, 2006 9:53 AM
Comment #155517

I think we have to keep this in perspective right now.
It’s a victory in battle..a significant one…but this enemy is resiliant and the snake here always grows back it’s head.

That said,I am thrilled for those Americans who have been steadfast in their support of the current policy there in Iraq…for months and months they have been getting clobbered by the weight of the politicial opposition that has caused many of us to seriously condiser the mission…and also to the Iraqi people…a significant portion who believe in democracy after three decades of oppression…and to all those that think that PERHAPS an Arab form of democracy may still take root.

Unfortunatety,more of our brave heroes will still die in this fight…but the path now becomes clearer,the reason for the sacrifice more evident.

God Bless America and her heroes.

Posted by: sicilianeagle at June 8, 2006 9:55 AM
Comment #155518

“You can break out the champagne if you want and celebrate the fact that perhaps one of the world’s most vicious and cold-blooded murderers was killed yesterday in Iraq.”

What was W doing in Iraq?

Posted by: nutty little nut nut at June 8, 2006 9:55 AM
Comment #155526

So will Al Zarqawi’s death and subsequent martyrdom be debated in the Middle East? On one hand:

-He was a small time criminal from al-Zarqa
-Converted to radical Islam while in prison
-Released as part of an amnesty program and went to Afghanistan to be a part of the Taliban
-Fled Afghanistan for Iraq after the invasion
-Killed countless Iraqis (and Muslims) in an attempt to start a sectarian civil war.
-Killed 60 in a Jordanian hotel

On the other hand:

-He beheaded two infidels.
-Probably caused the death of numerous U.S. soldiers.

Should be an interesting reaction…..

Posted by: George in SC at June 8, 2006 10:35 AM
Comment #155527

Nutty..

Standing there while Kerry kissed BOTH cheeks and the brown part of his ass…

Posted by: Jim T at June 8, 2006 10:36 AM
Comment #155529

I see no reason to rejoice in the loss of one of god’s children. I will observe a minute of silence for the lost soul, I hope you can find the strength to do the same.

Posted by: Schwamp at June 8, 2006 10:42 AM
Comment #155530

Ding-Dong the witch is dead…

Posted by: RHancheck at June 8, 2006 10:46 AM
Comment #155531

Schwamp

I respectfully disagree.

Please observe one additionial minute of silence for me if you want as I will not grieve his lost soul.

This man had a black heart and soul.He was evil…the essence of evil..personified.

Every recognised religion identifies situations when a justifiable killing may occur…and this is a textbook case of such.

This death,hopefully ,is for the greater good.

Sorry,but I can’t squared your reasoning with mine.

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Comment #155542

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Comment #155543

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Posted by: sicilianeagle at June 8, 2006 11:17 AM
Comment #155548

Zarqawi is dead, and that’s great news.

But let’s not be myopic about this. It took five bloody years of costly, illegal war based on faulty intelligence to kill someone who may or may not have been a second in command. Meanwhile, Osama looms large, a thousand Zarqawis were born from the war, a shameful global network of US sponsored torture houses has been uncovered, and our country has lost much of the respect and the allies it used to have. My expectations have not lowered so much that I will open champagne.


Posted by: Max at June 8, 2006 11:32 AM
Comment #155553

‘This man had a black heart and soul.He was evil…the essence of evil..personified.’

eagle,

We have to mourn him because we (the US) created him.
We are no better than he if we do not feel badly that he was blown to bitz.
Where is your compassion?
His mother is crying buckets over her loss.

The only way to gain peace in the world is the liberal way. We must continue to bend over for all those who are victims…including Zarqawi.
If only we had listened to him…if only we understood where he was coming from.

Posted by: bug at June 8, 2006 11:42 AM
Comment #155555

Good, one bad guy is gone. Unfortunately there is no shortage of murderes in this world. Now we just have to wait until 1/20/09 for a few more to get out of the way of peace.

Posted by: Dave at June 8, 2006 11:49 AM
Comment #155556

bug

(as the Eagle zips his fly over Zarqawi’s grave)

nah….couldn’t hear what he was saying…

sorry…

Posted by: sicilianeagle at June 8, 2006 11:51 AM
Comment #155559

Max taught to the test? 03 + 5= ‘06. LOL

Posted by: pige at June 8, 2006 12:00 PM
Comment #155563

This is a day to celebrate. That is undisputed. We are talking about a guy who we have on tape cutting our peoples heads off.

I do have a problem with the quote Bush gave after he found out what happend…

“Through his every action, he sought to defeat America and our coalition partners and turn Iraq into a safe haven from which Al Qaeda could wage its war on free nations”

So he is saying they did NOT have a safehaven before this war started. Too bad Fox news and the rest of his puppets still think that Iraq and Al Qaeda were together prior to the war.

Posted by: Vincent Vega at June 8, 2006 12:14 PM
Comment #155568

Bin Laden Al Queda and 9-11 Iraq Connection

Posted by: readthis at June 8, 2006 12:29 PM
Comment #155573
This man had a black heart and soul.He was evil…the essence of evil..personified.

Mighty Eagle,
I admit my grief over loss of a life was less than heartfelt. Nevertheless, my sense is he was inevitable. He did not so much steer a society to evil as a Hitler did but filled a leadership role for a movement that was bound to happen. If he didn’t, someone else would have.

Posted by: Schwamp at June 8, 2006 12:38 PM
Comment #155577

readthis

Did you read the link? It is a disorganized mess. You can’t even tell where the information came from and most of it has been debunked by knowledgeable, non-partisan sources.

Pull your head out of the RWEC (right-wing echo chamnber) and come into the reality-based community.

Posted by: mental wimp at June 8, 2006 12:52 PM
Comment #155578

Michael Berg, the father of the Nick Berg the man that this Zarqawi beheaded sent an email to a mailing list to which i belong. Here’s what he said:

—-
I was awakened at 4:30 AM with the news of Zarqawi’s death. I have said to over a dozen reporters so far today, that every human death diminishes me. I have said that Zirqawi’s death is a triumph for revenge, for revenge is what killed Nick. I have said that Zirqawi’s death will inflame the Iraqi resistance and perpetuate the endless cycle of revenge begetting revenge begetting revenge. I have said that the cycle must end, and that it ends with me. I take no joy in Zarqawis death.

I am not sure that you will hear all of that in our slanted media. ABC who called first, suddenly lost interest when I reminded them I’d be ready for any tricks they may try to play.

Please let our mailing list at least know where I stand.

Michael


——

Posted by: john.trevisani at June 8, 2006 12:56 PM
Comment #155585

John,

Saw the interview on tv…. each man mourns in his own way, felt bad for him though when he started going off on a political tangent though when he basicially blamed bush for his son’s death and stated that bush’s impeachment would help him ( was on CNN right after he said impeach bush they cut the cameras off and the interview now has it edited out)

Posted by: RHancheck at June 8, 2006 1:06 PM
Comment #155586

Here’s the thing that gets me—Pray for his soul??? “Loss of one of God’s children”—the man slaughtered students getting on local buses, planted a box with 9 severed heads to rule by sheer intimidation, Probably set up myriad myraid ieds along roadsides and boobytraps, he was annointed by Osama Bin Laden himself as his Iraqi chief of terrorist activities in Iraq, beheaded contractors, blew up and shot up mosques with people inside, set up car bombings killing innocent civillains asnd our armed forces, and beheaded his own fellow countrymen amongst probably a hundred other things I am missing in this littany. The man was pure brute evil!!!

What is this pray for his soul crap?!!! When he was screaming Allah is great! Allah is great!!! and gouging his blade into the victims throats was that a prayer for those contractor’s souls??? No the man was evil.

I just don’t get people sometimes.

Posted by: Novenge at June 8, 2006 1:06 PM
Comment #155587

John T

Ya…so what?

He’s been exploited be the hyper left for many many months.

Ask youself one question:

Are we better off there today than two days ago?

‘nuff said.

Schwamp

No.I disagree..he steered a society into evil.Killing innocents is evil.Putting heads in fruit boxes is evil.Most importantly,killing under the phony protection of Allah is the most evil.He was Satan on earth.

Posted by: sicilianeagle at June 8, 2006 1:06 PM
Comment #155588

I certainly hope this means an end to the hostilities. If not, he’s just another dead Muslim to encourage the rest of them to resist. I’m not encouraged by Max’s link.

Posted by: mental wimp at June 8, 2006 1:07 PM
Comment #155594

Michael Berg is entitled to his response.

Zarqawi was a murderer, one who did not compromise when the opportunity presented itself. For those who choose killing innocent people as a matter of course, such is the end. If he wanted to fight a war with us, he’s got it now.

I think it’s patronizing to imply that people have taken the direction they have because they were coopted by some group in their grief. Can’t we accept, even if we don’t agree, that some people are going to shift their views when such a traumatic event occurs? We don’t control what other people think. Folks decide that for themselves, and how they change after such events is often a matter of blind luck, and not so blind choice.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 8, 2006 1:25 PM
Comment #155598


The death of Zarqawi is a great victory for the people of Iraq, our brave troops and the American people. It may not stop Al Queda but, it will certainly disillusion them and dishearten them. And, it is a boost to the moral of the people of Iraq, our troops and our people.

All of the success that has occured in Iraq is due to the bravery of the Iraqi people and especially to the bravery, skill and perseverance of our troops. Our brave young men ane women have endured much and seen much that we would hope they would never have to see or be a part of. Everything that they have accomplished, they have done with far to few troops and sometimes a lack of equipment.

Much has been said on watch blog about who or who doesn’t support the troops. The fact is that nearly all (99%+) of us support our troops and hope every day for their success. They are succeeding despite the hardships. Imagine what our brave HERO’S could have accomplished if they would have had the manpower and equipment to accomplish their mission in the shortest period of time with the fewest number of casualities. Imagine what they could have accomplished if they had recieved the full support of the administration that gave them the mission.

Posted by: jlw at June 8, 2006 1:34 PM
Comment #155603

All

I’m a bit surprised at some of the reactions and views about Zarqawi’s demise. It seems to me that in debating, or discussing if you will, these kinds of incidents we should always keep in mind that we, the USA, did not start this war. It was shoved into our laps over a period of years during which we had a variety of bombings take place in various parts of the world. Everyone knows them. Not until the first World Trade Center bombing did some people begin to realize the US heartland was vulnerable although the general public ignored the signal. 9/11 could not be ignored by anyone, but the explanations for its occurrence still range from the ridiculous (we did it to them, the poor bastards, it was all our fault) to defeatism of many of our liberal political, anti-Americans. Yet, we have been attacked, literally, with thousands of people losing their lives.! We have a duty and a right to defend ourselves and by golly when we go we do a difficult but very necessary job to benefit all of the civilized world. So why not rejoice when a coldblooded murderer bites the dust. He deserves it and don’t forget he also killed who knows how many Iraqis. During my years under Nazi occupation we never ever, felt sorry for one of them losing their lives, whether on the western front or the Russian front. The more the better. That is a human reaction. But it does not make you lose sight of the fact that, as somewhat civilized people, we should regret any willful killing. Of course. Context here is important.
I congratulate our military and our Iraqi and Jordanian allies who provided the intelligence for carrying out this important mission. It is to be hoped that we will be able to leverage this event into a few more spectacular cleanups of the bad guys. We are getting there, albeit slowly.
Proficiat!

Posted by: fred at June 8, 2006 1:40 PM
Comment #155604

SE, Novenge, etc.

I said this in the middle column, but it applies equally here, so I’ll quote it.

Many of the comments here have saddened me greatly this morning. The number of people here who seem ready to dance in the streets at this news disturbs me.

There is no glory in war. I feel a sense of relief that this man is finally dead — that he will bring no more evil into this world. But there is no joy in the loss human life. As a monster dies, too many use it as an excuse to let the monsters within themselves out. We’re supposed to be the Good Guys. We kill because it’s necessary, not because we enjoy it. When I read lines like…

But now that he is dead, I hope it took him a while to die, but I am reasonably confident that if there is a hell, he is in it.

…I wonder if we’re still fighting the noble fight, or if we’re just battling Evil with Evil.

We’re supposed to be fighting for humanity… let’s not surrender it in the process.

Posted by: Rob Cottrell at June 8, 2006 1:41 PM
Comment #155605

The late al-Zarqawi(or the zarqster) as I like to refer to him, will not become a martyr. He was a foreigner recruiting the youth of another country to kill their own. All the time unwilling to ‘strap it on’ himself.

The jihadist sheen of al-q is finally starting to wear off. The people of that region are finally starting to see exactly what the mission of these ‘holy warriors’ is - to further their own means and the egos of fat pigs like the zarqster.

By far the majority of citizens of that regions are honest, reasonable citizens. Though they may not agree with you or me on most things, there are certainly some things we have in common. I promise you that the ordinary citizens of Iraq are ready for life to get back to normal, and to conduct commerce without bondage once again. Good, honest people of the world can seldom afford such injustice for too long; eventually they must stand together and destroy such an inferior foe. The bombing of al-zarqaroni is not only a potential turning point for us, but as well for the people of Iraq who are ready to take their country back again.

Today we all celebrate the death of the zarqster. Good riddance.

Posted by: beijing rob at June 8, 2006 1:44 PM
Comment #155607

SE

For a cold-blooded assessment of the course of the Iraq war, look at this link.

Posted by: mental wimp at June 8, 2006 1:48 PM
Comment #155614

SE,

Ask youself one question:

Are we better off there today than 4 years ago?

‘nuff said.

Posted by: Vincent Vega at June 8, 2006 1:56 PM
Comment #155615

(Berg’s) been exploited be the hyper left for many many months.
Posted by: sicilianeagle at June 8, 2006 01:06 PM

What people like you don’t get is that people like Berg are the left. He believes it, he says it in public forums, no GOPerlike slime machine forcing him to do so, the rightist MSM edits him, then the rightwing pats themselves on the back because they’ve proved they can stick their heads in the sand as once again the Ministry of Truth rewrites history.

Posted by: Dave at June 8, 2006 1:57 PM
Comment #155616

WHAT A DIFFERANCE A DAY MAKES ALL these liberals now want to join in the celebration.They have their nerve after all the anti-america bull they have been spouting.SHAMELESS is the first thing that comes to mind.All the liberals are all the sudden partying on a conservitive blog.SHAMELESS SHAMELESS SHAMELESS

Posted by: lookingout at June 8, 2006 1:58 PM
Comment #155622

lookingout,

I am glad you are celebrating. I doubt the 12 people who died 2 hours ago in Iraq are celebrating, but it is nice to know you are doing it for them. Keep up the good work!

Posted by: Vincent Vega at June 8, 2006 2:09 PM
Comment #155626

Mr. vega the most important thing is ABU MUSAB AL-ZARQAWI is not celebrating and 5 will get you 10 MR. USAMA BIN-LADEN is’nt celebrating.So you can minimize it all you want the fact still remains the same it is a great victory for those who love the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!

Posted by: lookingout at June 8, 2006 2:18 PM
Comment #155629

lookingout,

Look at my first post and you will see that I agree that this is a great day. But to say that the Liberals are “shameless” is laughable.

Didn’t you celebrate after:

Saddam’s Statue was taken down?

Saddam’s son’s were killed?

Saddam was captured?

The Iraqis with blue hands elected officals?

A constitution was written?

A new Government was formed?


Have these events changed ANYTHING to do with our efforts? NO! Actually more people are dying now than at the beginng of the war. Not to mention that Afganistan is getting worse. Your Repulican dribble may have been believable 3 years ago, but not anymore. This guy dead is a HUGE event in world history. I hope we string him up on telephone lines, like he did with some of our people. But to act like this is the end of a war we may never see the end to is just plain irrational.

Posted by: Vincent Vega at June 8, 2006 2:29 PM
Comment #155632

Mr. Vega its not the end of the war Its the beginning of the peace.

Posted by: lookingout at June 8, 2006 2:33 PM
Comment #155633

lookingout,

“its not the end of the war Its the beginning of the peace.”

Which one? I gave you six.

Posted by: Vincent Vega at June 8, 2006 2:36 PM
Comment #155634
In debating, or discussing if you will, these kinds of incidents we should always keep in mind that we, the USA, did not start this war.

What?!? Yes. We. Did. Start. This. War. That’s why Bush calls it a strategy of “pre-emptive” warfare. Saying we didn’t start the war in Iraq is absolutely wrong. Did Iraq attack us? Declare war on us? No and No.

Posted by: Max at June 8, 2006 2:43 PM
Comment #155641

Max Did iraq try to kill a former president of the united states of America?Did Iraq fire on our air force on a daily basis in the no fly zone?Did Iraq thumb their nose at 17 u.n. resolutions?Did sadam pay 25000 dollars to every human bomber that blew up inside Isreal?What part of a declared war don’t you understand?

Posted by: lookingout at June 8, 2006 2:56 PM
Comment #155643

From a progress standpoint, I think this can be hugely beneficial. Not so much because Zarqawi is gone, but because there will be a period of adjustment in his organization. Remember, though, there are at least 122 separate resistance organizations in Iraq, 3 of them major. Zarqawi only lead one of them, and I’m sure someone has already replaced him.

As far as justice, I think anyone who goes toe-to-toe with the US military is pretty much begging to die, so I feel like he got what he deserved, maybe even what he wanted.

Posted by: David S at June 8, 2006 2:59 PM
Comment #155645

Vincent Vega,

You are mixing apples with oranges:

“Didn’t you celebrate after:

Saddam’s Statue was taken down?

Saddam’s son’s were killed?

Saddam was captured?

The Iraqis with blue hands elected officals?

A constitution was written?

A new Government was formed?”

— Those celebrations were over goals that were set a while ago, by people that supported and planned those resolves. For those that mocked it, for those that didn’t support the war… to turn around and celebrate it is hypocritical.

That was Lookingout’s point from what I have read. But like usual you miss the point and try to redirect to a warped one of your own.

Posted by: ChrisC at June 8, 2006 3:00 PM
Comment #155648

Vincent Vega

Light years better.
It’s all a matter of perception though.
Four years ago,28 million were living under the thumb of a madman and his two sons.
Four years later,they are not.
Scores of thousnds have died in the process and untold billions spent.
Guess what?
A democracy was born.
Let me say that again: A DEMOCRACY WAS BORN.
Look at those words,Vincent and think where Iraq will be four years from today to get a better anwser to your question.
They blood of our fallen heroes have nutrutured that birth,and I will continue to be unwavering in my support for their cause.
That’s pretty much it.

Posted by: sicilianeagle at June 8, 2006 3:08 PM
Comment #155649

The death of Zarqawi is a golden opportuity for the Bush administration. It does not get better than this; Zarqawi & his network dismantled, an Iraqi government finally in place, and the estate tax repeal rejected by the Senate.

We are heading for a recession.

It is being caused by high oil prices.

Oil prices are causing inflation, which forces the Federal Reserve (and foreign Reserves) to raise interest rates.

Stock markets around the world are tanking.

We need to withdraw from Iraq NOW.

Withdrawal will drop oil prices. Perhaps $20 of the current price consists of the fear factor.

The withdrawal can be phased, but it must be initiated NOW. We can claim victory. But it is imperative to stop the bleeding. Stop spending on Iraq. Declare victory in the war on terror.

Take out the fear. Do it NOW, while we still have a chance.

It might be too late already, but at least this offers us an opportunity, a straw to grasp…

Posted by: phx8 at June 8, 2006 3:10 PM
Comment #155651

GOD BLESS AMERICA

Posted by: lookingout at June 8, 2006 3:15 PM
Comment #155653

phx8

My prediction:

Ground commanders will shift 5000 troops and 500 special operators to the Afganistan border to put the other two away.

The market is way over priced and needs a correction.

The fed will make one more move,that’s it.

Americans will finally start conserving energy and alternative fuels will be a reality withing 5 years.

I see the glass as half full.

(did you check out the second link I sent you yesterday in Aldous’ piece?)

Posted by: sicilianeagle at June 8, 2006 3:18 PM
Comment #155658

SE:

‘I think we have to keep this in perspective right now. It’s a victory in battle..a significant one…but this enemy is resiliant and the snake here always grows back it’s head.

This is a statement I can agree with.

Posted by: Tim Crow at June 8, 2006 3:24 PM
Comment #155659

SE,

I am glad you think that things are “Light years better.” I wonder if the people in Spain, England, and Russia (all of these countries have been attacked AFTER the invasion of Iraq) think the same. It is easy to sit up on your perch little eagle and talk about how patriotic you are. It is another to actually realize the brutality and the cost of war, especially one that could have been avoided. This war has hampered our efforts to fight terrorism. The cost has made us cut back in the United States.
An example of this would be the fact that we found out yesterday our ports will get significantly less money to scan containers. You must be able to spin this into a victory, so I will wait for your response.

BTW I thought Republicans were AGAINST nation building? Are you for it now?

Posted by: Vincent Vega at June 8, 2006 3:25 PM
Comment #155660

PHX8 With all due respect if we listen to guys like you John Kerry,Rep. Murtha,Teddy kennedy Al-zarqawi would be king of Iraq right now!!

Posted by: lookingout at June 8, 2006 3:27 PM
Comment #155661

Vincent

The Iraq conflict is (was) a battlefield in the global war…a front so to speak.

That is where we disagree.

I supported the action there,you don’t.

We can disagree.

Posted by: sicilianeagle at June 8, 2006 3:32 PM
Comment #155662

SE-

Does that mean the US should go to war with all non-Democracies, in an attempt to install democratically elected officials? I know that looks like the typical lib reaction, but it is an honest question.

Posted by: David S at June 8, 2006 3:38 PM
Comment #155663

SE,

Exactly. We will have to disagree.

I believe that Afganistan is battlefield for the global war on terror.

Posted by: Vincent Vega at June 8, 2006 3:38 PM
Comment #155667

Dave
No….and I am very patient with liberals(as you know).

This was a special circumstance. Saddam just couldn’t be allowed to stand in the area. I am NOT a proponet of pre-emptively invading Iran for example but if we succeed in geting a democracy established here,the Bush legacy will not be as skewed as it is,I think.

Posted by: sicilianeagle at June 8, 2006 3:51 PM
Comment #155675

The libs just don’t seem to appreciate it that we took care of one of the biggest (Al Qaeda) terrorists in Iraq; you know, the place that we can’t win. Yeah right. We have (already) won this war; now we’re just winning the peace.


And, killing this sick sandpig is a step forward and in the right direction. And, to all of you that hate this administration so bad that you gringe at the idea of congratulating our troops; go stick it in your ear!!!

Posted by: rahdigly at June 8, 2006 4:05 PM
Comment #155678

SE,

Bush’s legacy can be summed up in 10 minutes. That is the length of time he sat and read a book about goats instead of getting to work on defending our country from a terrorist attack.

I am sure you will say that this really means nothing in the grand scheme of things, but take in consiteration that in the same time frame we could have been nuked.

Posted by: Vincent Vega at June 8, 2006 4:11 PM
Comment #155680

rahdigly,

Why are WE keeping the peace?

Posted by: Vincent Vega at June 8, 2006 4:13 PM
Comment #155682

Vincent,
If you take my statement out of context and look at it all by itself, you could say that we did commence organized hostilities in the conventional sense in 2003. But my statement reflected the war conditions long prior to that specific event, including our flying Air Force sorties for more than 10 years,(No Fly-Zone War) together with the Brits, to prevent Saddam from doing any further dirt to his own people, or neighbors, with his own armed forces. (BTW we were too late to prevent Saddam from murdering all the Siites in the southern marshes). Hence the way I look at it is that we have been in a military conflict, war, situation with Iraq for many years prior to getting in on the ground again.
I hope this explains why I said we did not “start” the war.
Saddam did in 1990-1991 when he invaded Kuwait. In any event, it has been commonly accepted that when a country is attacked it usually goes to defend itself and in that process collateral enemies may be discovered (Iraq) and attacked pre-emptively to prevent the conflict from gathering more steam.

Posted by: fred at June 8, 2006 4:20 PM
Comment #155692

David S:

Does that mean the US should go to war with all non-Democracies, in an attempt to install democratically elected officials? I know that looks like the typical lib reaction, but it is an honest question.

You asked this of Sicilian Eagle, but I’d like to take a whack at the pinata too. My thought is that we can go to war against countries that break cease-fire agreements with us. Short version: Saddam invades Kuwait, and is repelled largely by US forces. He signs a cease-fire agreement containing many specific promises. Over the next 12 years, he is caught in the act of breaking many of the promises (see UN resolution 1441 for a complete listing). We go to war with him when we finally come to the conclusion that he will not stop breaking his promises.

A question for you: What should be done with a country that signs a cease-fire agreement, breaks said cease-fire agreement, and flaunts it in front of the world?

Posted by: joebagodonuts at June 8, 2006 4:44 PM
Comment #155693

Lookingout,

Did we capture Osama Bin Laden yet? Were there Al Queda in Iraq? No and No. Was Iraq a stupid place to focus our energies when we had other incredibly important concerns? Yes.

And no, we didn’t go to Iraq because Sadaam was paying suicide bombers to attack Israel. We went there because Bush said Iraq was behind 9/11. Then he said they WMDs. Were those knowing lies? Yep. Don’t make it out like it was all planned and we went into this war in Iraq for specific reasons. That’s bull. The reasons were shown to be false, so wake up. If we wanted to fight terrorism there would have been a thousand better ways to do it.

Posted by: Max at June 8, 2006 4:48 PM
Comment #155696

Fred

What you fail to mention is: that Saddam initially invaded Kuwait with our approval. That our initial approval was perhaps a misunderstanding on our part is rarely mentioned.
The weapons of mass destruction you mentioned were also used against Iran. When he used them against Iran, he may not have had our tacit approval in their use. But the United States was fully aware that our logistical support that we were supplying to Iraq facilitated their use of weapons of mass destruction. That we choose to criticize their use later is hypocritical.

Not that any of this matters, what does is the reality of the world changed in 2001. How this President reacted to those changes is highly questionable. All Presidents make mistakes. Great Presidents overcome those mistakes. This President is not even fully capable of acknowledging his mistakes.

Posted by: Cube at June 8, 2006 5:01 PM
Comment #155697

If breaking the cease fire agreement was the reason for going to war, why did the administration feel the need to sell it as something else? Because most Americans were not that concerned about Iraq until they thought they had WMDs. They certainly weren’t worried enough about Iraq to go to war. So the administration had to come up with something to put Iraq on the front burner again, and 9/11 wasn’t even enough. So they cooked up the WMD story and sold it to all of us. At that point, in a country still shell-shocked by the first ever attack on the lower 48, we bought it, hook line and sinker. If the blatant disregard for the ceasefire was enough of a reason for war, why wasn’t that the evidence presented to the American people?

Posted by: David S at June 8, 2006 5:03 PM
Comment #155698

Max,

“Don’t make it out like it was all planned and we went into this war in Iraq for specific reasons. That’s bull.”

Well put. Oh how our Republican counterparts forget so easily.

Posted by: Vincent Vega at June 8, 2006 5:05 PM
Comment #155704

David S

“If breaking the cease fire agreement was the reason for going to war, why did the administration feel the need to sell it as something else?”

I am in sales, and one of the basic principles of any successful sales call is something that we refer to as F.U.D. (fear, uncertainty, and doubt). These are huge motivators to procure a successful outcome. And remember, the US just didn’t have to sell this to the American people, we had to sell it to the world in order to build a broad coalition. I don’t look at that as a bad thing. In the end, we would be in Iraq one way or another. I personally would rather do the preemptive thing than wait for a major terrorist attack to be planned and launched from Irag.

Remember, it wasn’t the Taliban who executed 9/11, but since the Afgani govt supported Al-Crapa, it was justified that we go in there and replace their government. In Iraq, we did the same thing, we just didnt wait for them to attack us first. Sounds OK in my book.

Posted by: b0mbay at June 8, 2006 5:29 PM
Comment #155705

To “Vincent Vega”,

If you had spouted such anti-American rhetoric during WW II, you’d have been arrested on charges of sedition, jailed, and probably thrown out of the country.

You idiots STILL don’t get that we are at war with a worldwide cabal of Islamic fundamentalist radical nutcases who share a 13th century view of the world and, most importantly, WANT TO KILL OR CONVERT ALL OF US, INCLUDING YOU! You can’t bargain with them. You can’t reason with them. Nothing you say or do will placate them. Only your beheaded carcass will satisfy them.

Don’t you get it? You and your empty-headed liberal buddies will be among the first to get their heads chopped off, primarily because of your (from their point of view) offensive worldview and lifestyle. The American liberal intelligentsia are nothing more than useful idiots to the new Islamic nazi movement. EXPENDABLE useful idiots.

-crowan

Posted by: crowan at June 8, 2006 5:34 PM
Comment #155707

b0mbay (appropriate name),

Who else should we get before they get us? North Korea? Iran? Syria? Why not go after Saudi Arabia as well? Lets start war to defend against war. Man, I love the Repbulican school of thought.

Hell, lets just nuke the whole Middle East!

Posted by: Vincent Vega at June 8, 2006 5:37 PM
Comment #155710

Crowan,

I am sorry you have been brainwashed. Maybe you should step out of mommy and daddy’s house and think for yourself. Try watching something other than Fox News for starters.

We have been in Iraq for over 3 years and during that time, Spain, England and Russia have had terrorist attacks. I guess that defeats the old “Fight them there so we don’t fight them hear” rhetoric. That is unless the people in our coalition don’t count.

We are also in a war funded by commies. Maybe you are comfortable having China fund our war, but I am not.

Not to mention the fact that the President YOU elected has a cabinet that is making millions from this war. Haliburton was at 7 dollars a share the day we started the war. Now it is worth 70. I guess you think it is alright to profit off of our brave men and women serving this fine country. I DON’T!!!!!

I know it must be hard being one of the 25% of the people in our country who think this war was a good idea, but don’t take it out on me.

Posted by: Vincent Vega at June 8, 2006 5:46 PM
Comment #155717

Sicilian,
Yes, I read the link about the Mufti. He was a Palestinian Nationalist who became a collaborater.

Posted by: phx8 at June 8, 2006 6:11 PM
Comment #155718

preemption doesnt always have to mean the use of force. Iraq was not capable of diplomacy - we tried it for 10 years (remember). Also, the question our military must answer before politicians authorize war is: “can we win?” if the answer is yes, then our course of action becomes easier to determine. If the answer is “no” or is a bit murky, then different options must be weighed. If war was the only recipe in the conservative cook book, then, yes…we would have nuked iran, syria, eastern africa, n korea, venezuela, cuba…etc.

I am a graduate of political science and history, and would be happy to engage in a more academic discussion revolving war and how best to wage it if you prefer…

Posted by: b0mbay at June 8, 2006 6:14 PM
Comment #155733

Funny, B0mbay, I’m in sales too (mortgages) and I don’t need to resort to such cheap tricks. I just present an honest assesment of what I see as the truth and answer people’s questions while they make their own decision. I make piles of money and can live with myself. You should try it sometime.

Posted by: David S at June 8, 2006 6:49 PM
Comment #155744

I mentioned FUD as “one of the techniques” not the ONLY technique. I never stated that I used “cheap tricks” on my sales calls. I deal with fortune 1000 customers and sell very complex networking solutions. I have very happy, loyal customers, and make “piles of money” as well. I wish i wasnt in the position to defend myself, but as the messanger and not the message was attacked…

My main point was that the war on iraq had to be sold. When we are talking about terror, future attacks, possible WMDs, and a crazed dictator…using FUD isnt a very big logical leap.

Posted by: b0mbay at June 8, 2006 7:22 PM
Comment #155758

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Posted by: sicilianeagle at June 8, 2006 8:02 PM
Comment #155822

lookingout is a troll. do not feed the trolls.

Posted by: troll hunter at June 8, 2006 9:43 PM
Comment #155826

Abu Musab al-Zarqawi’s death is a good thing.

Posted by: ElliottBay at June 8, 2006 9:53 PM
Comment #155914

Hi Cube,
I guess we all look through different color glasses or rather we think that we only look through clear glasses while the rest of us look through the colored ones. It makes for great debate and sometimes it suggests other aspects to be considered. That’s worthwhile. Keep it up.
Fred

Posted by: fred at June 9, 2006 6:26 AM
Comment #155931

Liberals in April of 2006: Bush is a failure becuase he can’t catch Zarqawi, the most wanted man in Iraq, responsible for thousands of deaths.

Liberals in June of 2006: Zarqawi was no longer a major player anyway, so this is not a big deal.

Posted by: Gankenstein at June 9, 2006 8:45 AM
Comment #155943

Ganker,

Libs: “Bush is a failure”

Cons: “Duh? nyah nyah, tax cuts! god hates fag!blub blub, send them back to Mexico, ptthh, traitorous libs! What? Bush is God! Praise God, God is Great! snore…”

Posted by: Dave at June 9, 2006 9:33 AM
Comment #156049
And, killing this sick sandpig is a step forward and in the right direction. And, to all of you that hate this administration so bad that you gringe at the idea of congratulating our troops; go stick it in your ear!!!

Ah, the true feelings, baldly expressed. The “sandpig” was a nice touch. Tell me all about your love of the Iraqis and how you feel we need to give them democracy.

Posted by: Mental Wimp at June 9, 2006 1:56 PM
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