Stupid Is As Stupid Does

This week has not been a great week for our government. Despite the success of convicting crooks Ken Lay and Jeff Skilling, we have been witness to Senate Stupidity in the form of a disasterous Senate immigrtion bill, seen several hundred lawyers in Congress completely misread the Constitution, and had a President apologize for being tough. About the only thing missing is a Supreme Court Kelo-type decision, and fortunately, we aren’t likely to see such stupidity from the Judicial Branch for at least a week and a half.

The Instapundit mused yesterday, "Could Al Qaeda have slipped mind-altering drugs into the DC water supply? What's gotten into these people?" What has gotten into them indeed?

In the Age of the Army of Davids, American leaders still have not grasped the concept of how much scrutiny is paid to their official actions. When an Army of interested citizens can parse statements, research facts, delve into the past to find contradictions, and provide near instaneous analysis, can we really have elected officials so stupid as to believe that we are incapable of thinking for ourselves? Ronald Reagan once said, "Trust, but verify." The American people used to trust our leaders. Today, I wonder if we do trust our leaders. Even if we do, we certainly spend a lot of time verifying.

For example, do Dennis Hastert and Nancy Pelosi really believe that Congressional offices are exempt from searches? Despite all the high sounding rhetoric about the Speech and Debate Clause, you would think that with some 400 or so lawyers who have been elected to Congress, a few of them would have actually read the whole sentence of the Constitution containing the Speech and Debate clause, that a member of Congress can be arrested for treason, felony (including bribery) or breach of peace even in the course of his official duties. With so many lawyers and constitutional scholars out there with ready access to case law and the internet, did Hastert and Pelosi really believe that their joint statement would be the end of the debate?

But the rank stupidity of claiming special privileges for Members of Congress not only raises the hackles of ordinary Americans, it insults their intelligence. Stupid is as stupid does.

Then there is the Senate. Never in my career in government relations have I seen a body of elected officials so out of touch with their constituents that you would have to wonder if all that polling they pay for is even being read. The immigration bill passed yesterday, to effusive praise from Democrats and John McCain wannabes, holds the potential to completely re-shape the population of America. From the "Not-Accurately Named Amnesty Program," to its near total lack of border security, the Senate Immigration bill simply defies logic. If Senators are elected to be representatives of the people, it seems as though they have abandoned those duties in search of an "atta-boy" from Vicente Fox--who neither elects them nor serves with them. When all of America is begging for a secure border, the 62 dolts who voted for the bill must think they are immune from critical analysis by the electorate. Stupid is as stupid does.

Finally, there is my President. Yes, my President. Having voted for the man twice, and understanding human nature, I know that people make mistakes and I am generally forgiving of mistakes hoestly made. Leaders make deicisons all the time based on poor or non-existant infromation. Leaders say things in times of national emotion that may, in retrospect, seem inappropriate. But a leader should never apologize for those actions taken at a time of imperfect information or rampant emotion. People regret mistakes, but you should never doubt the decisions you make as a leader. Early in his administration, President Bush made some statements that were tough at a time when America needed a tough talking leader. But last night, President Bush acknowledged missteps that make him appear weak now. At a time when America needs a leader to stand up, knock a few heads both internationally and domestically, the tough-talking President Bush of four and five years ago seems to have vanished, only to be replaced by a mealy-mouthed leader who looks like he, too, is pandering for an "atta-boy" from the world community. Stupid is as stupid does.

Of course, we can hang our heads and say, we have no one to blame but ourselves for our current plight, after all we elected these morons to office. But did we really? In an age of rapid and easy communication; at a time when members of Congress spend more time in their districts than in Washington, why are we so incapable of getting the message across to our elected officials? The answer is we are not, we simply are no longer being heard.

Even as a government relations professional, I am no longer sure how to make the message of the voter any clearer. The arrogance and stupidity holding court in Washington DC has given me a body blow and sent me reeling. At this point, I am want to toss the whole lot out on their collective keisters and you can bet that is what my ballot will look like in November.

Perhaps this week has just been a bad one for America, to be honest we have little place to go but up. Yet at the same time, stupid is as stupid does and I am not sure that it would be wise to expect more from leaders who seem to have lost their compass, that of the will of the American people.

I still have great faith in our system, it is not perfect as we have seen this week, but it is the best one out there. A little corrective action can go a long way. Will we be stupid is as stupid does when given the opportunity to make changes. I have faith that we won't but little evidence to bolster that faith. I hope I am wrong.

Posted by Matt Johnston at May 26, 2006 7:55 AM
Comments
Comment #151537

Hmmm, admitting mistakes shows weakness. Brilliant. Excuse me, Jesus, I didn’t realize you had changed your name. I presume you drank some DC water, also, after walking across it, of course.

While, I agree the Congressional stupidity was supreme, your fearless leader admitting mistakes is sort of like the guy who ran over the nun admitting he possibly might have stopped at the wrong street.

Posted by: gergle at May 26, 2006 9:32 AM
Comment #151540

Matt

I think you missed the point of the President recognizing mistakes. First it was not an apology. Second, as much as you like tough talk, the President has learned (the hard way) that his words have impact, the world listens and his past statements have hurt our cause in fighting terrorism and hurt our credibility.

If you notice Bush’s second term is more cautious, less unilateral and less bellicous when dealing with N. Korea and Iran. I am gald he recognized and apparently learned from his past mistakes. But we are going to pay for it for a long time.

I agree with your other points.

Welcome to reality. I give you credit for your open mindedness You finally see what we liberals have seen for a long time….

Posted by: Jerseyguy at May 26, 2006 9:51 AM
Comment #151541

Congress had a chance to denounce corruption, but instead, despite the numerous examples, chose to assert that they are above the law (which is not true).

This new instance of unaccountability exemplifies to citizens that arrogant politicans think they are above the law.

Nevermind that William Jefferson (D - LA.), in his 8th term, is recorded on video-tape receiving $100K bribe from an informant, and $90K of it was later found hidden in his home freezer. Nevermind that two of his associates have already pled guilty to crimes in the connected corruption investigation.

I can’t wait to here “the other side of the story” as William Jefferson calls it, as he claims innocence, and says he will not resign his office.

Eight months prior, the FBI had already requested permission and issued a subpenoa, but it was ignored. You would have thought that such a request would have tipped off William Jefferson that he was being watched. How arrogant is that?

Both Democrats and Republicans (mostly all irresponsible, bought-and-paid-for, FOR-SALE, corrupt, and arrogant incumbent politians) chose to concentrate on the mythical protections for congress persons, once again demonstrating that congress persons believe they are above the law.

Even if ever convicted, William Jefferson will probably, like many do, get a presidential pardon by a future president (like the 140 felons pardoned by Clinton, many of which had even pled guilty).

As demonstrated, corrupt, irresponsible, bought-and-paid-for politicians can do just about anything they want, and voters still keep re-electing them.

Who says crime doesn’t pay ?

Who says we don’t have a government Of / By / For the People ?

  • Stop Repeat Offenders.

  • Don’t Re-Elect Them !

Posted by: d.a.n at May 26, 2006 9:57 AM
Comment #151542

I am loathe to say it, but I am beginning to regret voting for GWB when, on top of this illegal immigration debacle, he has essentially sided with Pelosi/Hastert and frozen the “evidence” for 45 days. If a common citizen ignores or refuses to comply with a subpoena, they are sanctioned or jailed. If authorities obtain a warrant to search a person’s home, it is executed.

The political princes in Washington think their offices – which are owned by us and not them – and their sorry butts, are sacrosanct and immune from justice. They are not immune and are no better than you and I. The President and Speaker have made a huge mistake in this matter. I venture to say, it will come back to haunt them.

Posted by: Seminole 6 at May 26, 2006 9:58 AM
Comment #151547

All I can say is you are right, it is no ones fault but our own and the people who complain but never voice that opinion with a vote.
If anyone of these corrupt Elected officials get re-elected then this country deserves what it gets. I love this country and try to keep an open mind to everyone’s point of view but when it comes down to it I am a conservative at heart, although I will vote independent in the next election I have always voted republican.
It is time to throw the baby out with the bath water and send a message in November that we do pay attention to what is going on.

Posted by: E.E.C at May 26, 2006 10:15 AM
Comment #151548

Why is anyone suprized? When you try to serve two masters.ie big buisness and oh yes,the american people,someone will get screwed. Its just a matter of priorities. But don’t worry. The republicans only have a couple of more years to fill their already overstuffed wallets. While I usually liked to be kissed when I am being F****ed, It is really just a grin and bear it situation. People,make your voices heard come election time,or “Say hello to the new boss,same as the old boss” will prevail. What was it that Bob Marley sang so long ago? Oh yeah, “GetUp” “StandUP” “Stand up for your Rights”!

Posted by: jblym at May 26, 2006 10:18 AM
Comment #151556

I’m a lot more worried about Bush than I am about the Congress because Bush has usurped both Congressional and Supreme Court duties…he’s making laws and interpreting them (signing statements)…I don’t think he was kidding when he said it’d be easier to run the US as a dictatorship and that he’d like to be the dictator:

“Bush challenges hundreds of laws
President cites powers of his office
By Charlie Savage, Globe Staff | April 30, 2006

WASHINGTON — President Bush has quietly claimed the authority to disobey more than 750 laws enacted since he took office, asserting that he has the power to set aside any statute passed by Congress when it conflicts with his interpretation of the Constitution.

Among the laws Bush said he can ignore are military rules and regulations, affirmative-action provisions, requirements that Congress be told about immigration services problems, ”whistle-blower” protections for nuclear regulatory officials, and safeguards against political interference in federally funded research.

Legal scholars say the scope and aggression of Bush’s assertions that he can bypass laws represent a concerted effort to expand his power at the expense of Congress, upsetting the balance between the branches of government. The Constitution is clear in assigning to Congress the power to write the laws and to the president a duty ”to take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” Bush, however, has repeatedly declared that he does not need to ”execute” a law he believes is unconstitutional. “

Posted by: Lynne at May 26, 2006 10:32 AM
Comment #151569

To me I feel like just one side is getting what they want that is people who do not beleive in God.

Posted by: Sylvia Oliver at May 26, 2006 10:49 AM
Comment #151572

Sylvia, perhaps it is because your view is one sided. Those who don’t believe in God do get their way in not being forced or coerced TO observe the presence of God. But, the other side of the coin is, those who believe in God are not being forced or coerced into giving up their their belief. It is called freedom of religion, Sylvia. If you want to live in a place where NOT believing in GOD is a crime, try moving to Iran or Pakistan. You may find yourself very at home their.

Posted by: David R. Remer at May 26, 2006 10:59 AM
Comment #151577

President Bush did not apologize for being tough. He apologized for violating our own domestic and international treaties and laws regarding torture of other human beings. He admitted his decision to allow it, has cost our nation far more than we ever gained from the policy. He may too have been apologizing for all of our troops being prosecuted for his policy while he escapes scott free from justice for his inhumane decision on this issue.

As for his apology for using words like “Dead or Alive” and the like, that was like Adolf Hitler apologizing for calling Jews userers. It was meaningless. A scripted apology for political PR. Still, I commend the President for recognizing his policy on torture was a failed policy which continues to cost our nation and troops dearly.

Posted by: David R. Remer at May 26, 2006 11:05 AM
Comment #151578

President George’s model is King George’s. He prefers a nation of men with him at the top, not a nation of law where laws are applied equally to all, including himself.

Posted by: David R. Remer at May 26, 2006 11:08 AM
Comment #151580

Geez David lay off Sylvia. Your acting more ornery that Cheney with some wild turkey in him and a gun beside him. Sylvia-The important thing is not having people who believe in God or not in power. Its having GOOD people period. If your philosophy as a elected official is to do the greatest good for the greatest amount of people,your O.K. with me. Unfortunate,isnt it,that our Republican Congress works in exactly the opposite way,pandering to every special interest group they can.

Posted by: jblym at May 26, 2006 11:14 AM
Comment #151593

I don’t get it. Was the torture in Abu Ghraib ever considered anything but a mistake by either side? I thought Bush’s position on this was that it was regrettable and tragic, but only the actions of a few. Personally, I think he’s doing some advance damage control, as it becomes more and more obvious that wasn’t the case.

When Bush said the “bring it on” thing, his wife immediately publicly said she disagreed with the comment. I doubt she did this without talking to her husband. He probably knew it was a stupid thing to say the minute it came out of his mouth. Bush also said the chief obstacle in the war was the determination of our enemies. Comments like that only encourage them. Personally, I would prefer reminders that Al Qaeda attacked us, and that our fight is with suicide bombers who attack innocent people, not Arabs at large. That’s how Bush took world sympathy and turned into justified anger.

Anyway, I would say you are definitely one of his “base” that’s not a multi-millionare, so if he’s pissed you off he’s probably going to plummet even more in the polls.

Posted by: Max at May 26, 2006 11:52 AM
Comment #151602

Charlie,
When exactly was it that the FBI raided Tom Delay’s Office? For that matter when was he prosecuted by the justice department? It took an Austin (Travis County) prosecuter to call him on his misconduct.

No apparent bias going on there.

I’m not defending Jefferson, but I hope the can prosecute him better than they did DeLorean. Sometimes their stings do go bust.It sounds like he’s a crook that needs to go to me.

What I found amazing this week was the FBI contradicting the ABC report on Hastert.(To be specific ,they only denied he was a current target) When did the FBI start confirming or denying investigations? Oh yeah, I think it was that Atlanta Olympics bungle.

Posted by: gergle at May 26, 2006 12:18 PM
Comment #151606

On admitting mistakes:
No, admitting mistakes doesn’t make you weak. Failing to get things done, squandering power makes you weak. Refusing to acknowledge how weak of a leader you are for a long time makes you weak and delusional. Finally admitting it, but making no effort to correct your policy makes you weak, not delusional, but perhaps now stupid.

What Bush needs to do now is snap, fire a bunch of people, shift the policies, and start trying to get things right for a change. At the very least, he will end his tenure in office somewhat redeemed, rather than a smoldering wreck.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at May 26, 2006 12:22 PM
Comment #151621

At this point, the only thing Bush can do to try and salvage the mid-terms is to play the scapegoat. Fortunately, his play isn’t going to work, beacuse the “blowin in the wind” congress will follow the public sentiment above, that the president is weak. Then, after taking control in November, the Dems can do the right thing and impeach him, Cheney, fire Rumsfeld and try to restore some respect to the Executive branch.

Posted by: David S at May 26, 2006 12:42 PM
Comment #151649

For example, do Dennis Hastert and Nancy Pelosi really believe that Congressional offices are exempt from searches?

Yes, them and all the other 433 members of Congress.


did Hastert and Pelosi really believe that their joint statement would be the end of the debate?

They were hoping so.


But the rank stupidity of claiming special privileges for Members of Congress not only raises the hackles of ordinary Americans, it insults their intelligence.

If it doesn’t raise your hackles there’s a problem.


Stupid is as stupid does.

And our elected officials have been doing some mighty stupid things lately.


Posted by: Ron Brown at May 26, 2006 2:03 PM
Comment #151676

Matt:

Honest anger. I appreciate that. But what are you angry about? I agree with you on some things you say and disagree with you on other things you say. A normal day.

First of all, the fact that Ken Lay and Jeffrey Skilling were finally convicted makes this a wonderful day. A little justice is finaly achieved. This is something both liberals and conservatives can appreciate. Hooray!

I agree that Congress acted stupidly. But maybe Congress learned imperialism at the feet of the great Emperor George.

I disagree with you about the Senate. Their bill is a little better than that of the House because of the presence of a little compassion. The House bill is hateful.

Now as for the president’s apology. I have been waiting 5 and a half years to see the president apologize. Now that his popularity is so low he apologizes or pseudo-apologizes. This is good news. He admits he is human. What a relief.

Posted by: Paul Siegel at May 26, 2006 2:52 PM
Comment #151691

Matt, I suggest we suspend the term “stupid” in case the fickle finger of fate point towards us. We need less vitriol and more sense.

Speaking of sense, some of the posts here must have been written by disgruntled Democrats. Either that or the writers are on some kind of hypertestosterone. Kicking a— and taking names is NOT the way to conduct foreign policy; sorry, but foreign policy issues are not going to be solved that way.

As to immigration. We have millions of Latinos just a few miles from us. Most of the southwest was Mexican territory once. Many Latinos have lived in the southwest for centuries, antedating all Gringos. Do we really think building walls and increased surveillance is the answer? Yes, of course we want secure borders and we would wish all of our borders had stepped up security, including our northern border. But that is only part of the answer and not a good one in the long run.

Why is it that millions of Latinos come to the US illegally? What are we going to do with the millions that are here, illegally? Arrest them and send them home to Latin America? We need a modicum of reasonableness and practicality as we face the issues generated by the Latino migration, whether legal or illegal.

The President and the Congress have taken a necessary first step with this legislation. No one is happy with it, but compromise is the genius of our system of government and compromise is what we have. Now we begin to work on the true underlying issues—wages, NAFTA, CAFTA, weak labor unions AND border security.

Our Latin American friends, and anyone who knows any of these folks will concur, are as a group pretty darned good people. They make great, hard-working citizens. Ideally, we should have as open a border with Mexico as we do with our northern friends, the Canadians.

Let’s admit we have a special and serious problem with Latino immigration. Much of the problem is historical and economic; recognizing the problem and taking a few hesitating steps in the right direction should not satisfy us, but we should recognize the positive direction and keep working at it. And please let us do so in a manner that will not make the Statue of Liberty blush.

Peace, cml

Posted by: cml at May 26, 2006 3:26 PM
Comment #151716

Does anyone know the average age of the senate? I mean really, these guys are OLD. Im not advocating a bunch of twenty-somethings but it seems to me that younger people might be more apt to listen.

Its imperative that we the people make these guys remember that this is a representative government. I’ve joined the voidnow.com group and I really hope that we can toss a few of these folks in November. Its interesting that on the radio Liddy even advocates “just not voting for” certain people, he or they can’t stomach saying vote for the other party. I wish we had a viable third party, we don’t. So please remember if your representative isnt listening he does not deserve your vote.

Elected officials really need to remember that they are there to do what WE want, not what they want or think is right. We sent them to vote how we tell them to. It was a matter of convenience so we wouldn’t have to have balloting for every issue.

If they take your voice, take their power.

JT

Posted by: JayTea at May 26, 2006 4:48 PM
Comment #151719
For example, do Dennis Hastert and Nancy Pelosi really believe that Congressional offices are exempt from searches?

Yes, them and all the other 433 members of Congress.

That would “all the other 533 members of Congress…435 in the House and 100 in the Senate.

Posted by: Lynne at May 26, 2006 4:57 PM
Comment #151743

I think the word “stupid” is quite applicable.
Not just for incumbent politicians, but voters too, that keep re-electing the very same incumbents that use and abuse everyone.

Regarding the illegal immigration BILL S. 2611,
62 Senators voted YES to pass it, 36 voted NO.

Here of the 62 Senators that voted YES to pass BILL S. 2611 :
_________________
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Carper (D-DE)
Chafee (R-RI)
Clinton (D-NY)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Craig (R-ID)
Dayton (D-MN)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dodd (D-CT)
Domenici (R-NM)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Jeffords (I-VT)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (D-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Obama (D-IL)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Sarbanes (D-MD)
Schumer (D-NY)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
Wyden (D-OR)

BILL, S. 2611 will:

  • effectively reward 8-to-12 million illegal aliens with amnesty that allows them to permanently take American jobs and become U.S. citizens.

  • Entice millions of more illegal aliens to illegally enter the U.S., crowd our schools, housing, take jobs, and depress wages further, because they will have every reason to believe they, too, will be given an amnesty, eventually;

  • Double (or more) legal immigration from 1 million to 2 million a year, when our traditional annual immigration has been only 250,000 and when most Americans say legal immigration already is too high;

  • Give out green cards to up to 66 million foreign workers and dependents over the next 20 years.

It does not matter that most (as of 5-May-2006), 64% of Americans polled (Zogby Poll) reject a Guest-Worker Plan
and prefer the House of Representatives’ enforcement-only bill. Of course, to make things worse, many tried to attach all sorts of other crap to the BILL, so that by the time they’re finished with it, it’s just that … a piece of crap.

But, we re-elected those politicians, so we aree getting what we asked for.

  • Stop Repeat Offenders.
  • Don’t Re-Elect Them !
Posted by: d.a.n at May 26, 2006 6:34 PM
Comment #151748

i would just like to say that the site that i was sent to from the original blog at the top said this “They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peach,” i have no idea what breah of the peach is, does anyoner else.

Posted by: Lucas at May 26, 2006 6:53 PM
Comment #151749

I was not sure what d.a.n. stood for but now I know. Dont Ask Nothing. Maybe we can go door to door and root out the already 11 million people here now. Even better,lets get uniforms with shiny jackboots.
To stand blindly while reality passes you by is a sad affair. We have to make the best of a bad situation. Does this mean that we should not seriously increase the difficulty of getting across the border? No,we can and should. The people who are here already,are already here. Get it! Game over man,game over. Lets move on!
Ellis Island taught us how to succesfully incorporate large populations into the mainstream. We can do it! d.a.n. the only thing permanent is change. Accept this

Posted by: jblym at May 26, 2006 6:57 PM
Comment #151768

David R.:

You’ve lost your mind. It’s over. Done. Gone for good. You drank your last drop of Kool-Aid.

I don’t think President Bush should have come off apologetic. In fact, I don’t believe he was apologetic. How about “explanatory”?

As for the prosecution of our troops (as stated by you), I believe the proper term is “persecution of our troops”. The good guys easily become the bad guys unless the bad guys are also the big guys.

Dems love a loser. It’s nothing new.

Posted by: Bruce at May 26, 2006 8:11 PM
Comment #151785

Matt,
As to Hastert and Pelosi making common cause…
I have begun building a bunker.
Seriouly though, they have yet again shown who they serve in no uncertain terms. They were even given a warrant, a consideration you and I may or may not have been afforded.
It is a time to let them know with the only means we have left, our votes, that they will work for us. I am personally looking forward to the largest freshman class of legislators ever.

Posted by: Ted at May 26, 2006 9:09 PM
Comment #151813

“…my President. Having voted for the man twice…”

“Stupid is as stupid does.”


You said it, not me.

Posted by: Tim Crow at May 26, 2006 11:01 PM
Comment #151873
jblym wrote: I was not sure what d.a.n. stood for but now I know. Dont Ask Nothing. Maybe we can go door to door and root out the already 11 million people here now. Even better, lets get uniforms with shiny jackboots.

You are very perceptive. Now you know everything? Are you clairvoyant too ?

jblym,
I never advocated deporting anyone by force. My solution all along has been merely been securing the borders, an elimination of the magnets, and even providing funding (e.g. pre-paid transportation and $500 per person) for those that volunteer to leave.

That’s fair. But not to you? According to what you said, “lets get uniforms with shiny jackboots”, you believe my position is akin to Nazism ? You say “game over man man. Game over.”

But what you fail to realize is that the government will not secure the border, and amnesty to 12 million illegal aliens will quadruple the problem just as it quadrupled the 3 million after the amnesty of 1986.

To stand blindly while reality passes you by is a sad affair.
I agree.
We have to make the best of a bad situation. Does this mean that we should not seriously increase the difficulty of getting across the border? No, we can and should.
What? Won’t you need “uniforms with shiny jackboots” ?
The people who are here already,are already here. Get it! Game over man,game over. Lets move on!
That was legal immigration. There’s a difference. They did not represent a huge burden on society. Illegal aliens now abuse social services to the tune of $70 billion per year in net losses (but we let them, and keep re-electing those that are complicit in paving the way).
Ellis Island taught us how to succesfully incorporate large populations into the mainstream. We can do it! d.a.n. the only thing permanent is change. Accept this.

Don’t worry jblym, it will be as you say, because our irresponsible incubment politicians have sold us out again, and we keep re-electing them.

Unfortunatly, the immigration of today is not the same of yesteryear. Previous generations romanticized immigration and the tablet at the base of the Statue of Liberty exhorting other nations to “Give me your tired, your poor…”

That was then. This is now. Millions of illegal aliens, have motives and attitudes that are quite different from those of the legal immigrants of yesteryear, that came to Ellis Island. Thousands drive about in Los Angeles, with no drivers licenses, no insurance, with signs on their vehicles that say “F#@% YOU! THIS IS MEXICO”. 95% of all arrest warrants for homicide in L.A. are for illegal aliens. 67% of all arrest warrants in L.A. are for illegal aliens. Increasing crime rates are a growing problem in many border states. Crime rates of illegal aliens in many cities are double the norm. The cost of that crime is not even part of the net losses of $70 billion per year.

But, it is not fashionable to speak the truth now. But the truth is that the this new group illegal immigrants are different. To begin with, they are not “immigrating” legally at all. They are sneaking in illegally. They don’t have an “American dream” of building this country. Rather, they are still loyal to their home nations as they wave flags of their homeland, and they want to exploit ours economically, using fradulent ID and fake Social Security numbers to steal from the U.S. citizens. Many even dream of taking over regions of the U.S., and displacing us. There’s
already a word for this goal: Reconquista of Aztlan. If the members of this group do not intend to return home, yet have no loyalty to America, what are they? Certainly not “immigrants”.

That’s reality, and you dismiss it all too quickly. We have learned nothing. The Amnesty of 1986 quadrupled the problem, and this amnesty will quadruple it yet again. The U.S. citizens have sold themselves out, and are now merely watching the transfer of assets as the irresponsible incumbents they elected continue to allow the transfer to continue.

But don’t worry, jblym.
You will have it your way, except the borders will NOT be secured. The elitist government does NOT really want to secure the borders. And they are confident that we will keep re-electing them no matter what.

Posted by: d.a.n at May 27, 2006 10:01 AM
Comment #152008

Follow the money. Every good investigator knows that basic rule.

I challenge anyone to name a single House member or senator of any party who does not have dirty hands.

The reason lawmakers are so out of touch with the average American is that an average American doesn’t have the money to buy an election.

And after you get elected, you don’t have to worry about money. There are plenty of deep pockets out there more than willing to buy your vote.

A poor, self-taught, rail splitter from Illinois couldn’t get elected dogcatcher today.


Posted by: ulysses at May 27, 2006 9:38 PM
Comment #152168

I thought Hastert made a good case for his objection to the raid of Congressional offices today on the political talking head shows. He stated the problems associaed with one political branch siezing documents of another branch. This is something the forefathers did protect. If the president can raid the offices of his political opponents, tyranny is not far behind. This does not include criminal behavoir which neither Hastert or Pelosi have condoned.

I thought the populist view, espoused by a pundit, that it’s a Wshington inside view that Americans won’t understand, was a bit elitist and dismissive of the intellect of the average joe in itself.

Perhaps that is the view of the Republican party of their electorate. I suspect it is.

Posted by: gergle at May 28, 2006 2:20 PM
Comment #152188

D.A.N.
Imagine no St.Patricks Day
Puerto Rican Day
Or any of the dozens of other holidays celebrated in the U.S. to pay respect to where people came from.
If waving a flag is considered a crime,then sign me up as a criminal.
If you drive a car illegally,or without insurance or in a way that endangers the local populace,then you should be punished to the full extent of the law.
Lets consider the millions that were previously allowed to stay here in the U.S. The vast majority of them continued to be what they were. Hard working people who wanted a better place for themselves and their children.
The fact that you are technically,a illegal does not abrogate your honest desire for a better life.
Many of our greatest thinkers have encouraged civil disobediance as a form of protest. Can I fault anyone who does this in the name of their families,or desire for a better life? As I have stated before,the ones who are here,are already here. I do support a greater control of our borders. I don’t agree that as human beings or citizens of the greatest country in the world,we should act like Scrooge in A Christmas Carol. Cold gruel is even nastier when you have to eat it alone.

Posted by: jblym at May 28, 2006 3:13 PM
Comment #152209

D.A.N.
I apologize for not answering about the Reconquistadores. With what weapons? What Army?
How much of the United States is this lunatic fringe group going to take by force?
Next thing you know,we will all be using the sawbucks of the Montana Militia as legal currency!

Posted by: jblym at May 28, 2006 4:16 PM
Comment #152406
jblym wrote: D.A.N. Imagine no St.Patricks Day Puerto Rican Day Or any of the dozens of other holidays celebrated in the U.S. to pay respect to where people came from. If waving a flag is considered a crime,then sign me up as a criminal.

(1) Those were mostly legal immigrants,
(2) and there were no social services to steal from as now,
(3) and the numbers were relatively small (as opposed the tens of millions now).

The end result will be the failure or discoutinuation of many social programs (e.g. Medicaid, 84 hospital closures in California alone, Medicare, Social Security, welfare, etc.), costing U.S. citizens a net loss of over $70 billion per year. Perhaps that is best. That will eliminate the magnets.

jblym wrote: D.A.N. I apologize for not answering about the Reconquistadores. With what weapons? What Army? How much of the United States is this lunatic fringe group going to take by force? Next thing you know,we will all be using the sawbucks of the Montana Militia as legal currency!

jblym,
You attempt to minimize the seriousness of the problem in L.A., but it is more serious than you think. 95% of all warrants for homicide in L.A. are for illegal aliens. 67% of all felony arrest warrants in L.A. are for illegal aliens. The average number of times arrested is 13. The crime rate is double the norm. The fraudulent theft of welfare is rampant (32% of all illegal aliens). I would not characterize the millions abusing the laws as merely a fringe group.

You support secured borders? How? What if the borders are not secured? What do you think will be the result of massive, uncontrolled, illegal immigration?

jblym wrote: I don’t agree that as human beings or citizens of the greatest country in the world,we should act like Scrooge in A Christmas Carol

So you believe you have the right to make that decision for others? Perhaps some illegal aliens should come stay at your house, eat your food, settle in, make themselves at home, perhaps invite a few friends? All without your permission? What the difference between that and illegal aliens abusing our welfare systems, Medicaid, food stamp programs, schools, and laws?

The issue is not one of stinginess. It is about theft. 32% of illegal aliens are receiving welfare (illegally). 29% of all incarcertated are illegal aliens. Crime rates by illegal aliens have doubled. This is always the end result of massive, uncontrolled, illegal immigration. And, our numerous, abused social services is a huge magnet.

But, don’t worry jblym, … you will have your way.

The Senate has voted 62 to 36 for amnesty, despite the majority of Americans opposed to it, but Americans who keep re-electing those very same incumbent politicians that ignore them.

Posted by: d.a.n at May 29, 2006 11:42 AM
Comment #153812

D.A.N When there were no social services,people died!Before the recent immigrations of people,some of who do commit crimes,there were gangs!
Perhaps the influx of immigrants who utilize our social services,like hospitals,will force the Republican Congress to address the need for socialized medicine. Basic medical care should not be your other choice besides eating.!
You keep beating the drum on how criminally intent the immigrants are,what about the indigenous population? Or do we have no criminal element among the LEGAL population?
And in regards to your comments on them moving in with me,I live here,D.A.N. they already do.
Your lack of compassion is astounding!
I have never supported uncontrolled border crossings,and in another format would be happy to give you my views on how to control them better.
You seem to subscribe to the theory that no good deed goes unpunished.
The Senate for once,actually did it right! They realize as you do not,this is it. They are here.
So,D.A.N what do we do? The answer is simple. Don’t keep bitching about what a drain they are on our society,bring them full into it and make them productive members. Because the only thing that you have convinced me of is that D.A.N. stands for Damn All Non-Americans!

Posted by: jblym at June 2, 2006 4:50 PM
Comment #156292
Your lack of compassion is astounding!
Because the only thing that you have convinced me of is that D.A.N. stands for Damn All Non-Americans!
Yes, if they are illegal. What part of illegal do you not understand ?

jblym, The only thing you have convinced me of is that your statements are total nonsense and non-sequiturs, as you try to equate a “dislike of theft” to “lack of compassion”.

And your idea to give them all amnesty is just as ridiculous, since we can now see what the result of the amnesty of 1986 was. You know how illegal aliens showed their gratitude after we gave them amnesty in 1986? They invited their 20 closest relatives; illegal aliens that they harbored. Not to mention the doubled crime rates, abuse of social services, theft of Medicaid and welfare. Thank you very much.

You seem to subscribe to the theory that no good deed goes unpunished.
You like to use cliches even though they are totally unrelated. What good deed are you talking about?
… bring them full into it and make them productive members.
Not likely, since most are uneducated and unskilled. How is importing poverty, crime, and disease going to make America stronger ?
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