Immigration Policy: Overhaul Outlook

A solid prediction: immigration reform will not occur this year, though, if it somehow does, it will include provisions for eventual legalization of all illegal immigrants.

The distance between the House and Senate bill is so great. The immigration bill passed in the House late last year includes building vast border fences along the U.S.-Mexico border, disallowing employers to hire illegal aliens, and tightening border security with military and local enforcement if needed. The immigration bill being debated in the Senate now has provisions for permanently doubling the number of legal immigration into the United States, eventually legalizing most illegal aliens, and unsurprisingly a guest worker program allowing thousands of foreign workers entry into the United States. Either the House’s form of immigration reform will prevail or the Senate’s version with the President’s backing will be victorious. One chamber will give.

Sen. Barack Obama sums up the ridge separating debate and compromise, "The problem is you've almost got a split right down the middle in the Republican Party. There is a wing that is adamant about not providing a pathway to citizenship. If that is their position and they don't budge from that, it's hard to see getting anything done before November."

Is immigration reform without eventual legalization of illegal immigrants futile? Unstopped illegal immigration for years has created a situation in the southwest United States where Spanish is on par with English, where illegal Mexicans blend with their legal Mexican-American brothers and sisters. We saw the marches for citizenship in Los Angeles -- over 500,000 strong. How many marchers were illegal immigrants? One-half? One-third? It does not matter. Illegal is a term no longer used in L.A. -- there are "no illegal people here" as mayor Antonio Villaraigosa claims. Perhaps this immigration issue has already decided its course of history. Call this pessimistic realism, but as Victor Hugo would assert, "One cannot resist an idea whose time has come."

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This Monday evening, President Bush will address the nation on immigration. Bush will again promise to the American people that he does not support amnesty. Yet, he publicly proclaims that "massive deportation of [illegal aliens] is unrealistic" and privately says illegal immigrants should be allowed U.S. citizenship.

Posted by Mike Tate at May 13, 2006 9:47 AM
Comments
Comment #147859

I agree that a Wall must be erected.

Too bad Republicans are too gutless to do the right thing.

Studies indicate that 50% of all pre-school children are minorities now. That means that in 20 years the Caucasians will no longer be dominant. That must be stopped.

Posted by: Aldous at May 13, 2006 9:57 AM
Comment #147861

That’s yer’ Bush! See it’s not amnesty, noooo they are just really hard to move—that’s what it is. It’s not Bush’s position for the sake of cheap labor or driving down wages—nooooo see he’s just having a hard time catching them so HEY WHY BOTHER? GET IT? Republicans—stand behind your leader on this one!!!!

Please don’t get into the charge that he is being LIBERAL—we toss ‘em back as fast as they come across. The dems always have—call it our yellow dog nature. WE have been fighting the imigration war for decades due to our labor and wages stance. When the dems come back in the illegals will be going back, if at all legally possible at that point. Being that Bush might set up loopholes that are hard to remove.

What Bush is doing is a right-wing libertarian theory of open borders. It’s purely a Lew Rockwell meets John Stossel move not anything from our side of the aisle—thank you (Oh I mean Mucho gracias Republicanos).

Posted by: Novenge at May 13, 2006 10:10 AM
Comment #147862

Aldous

Not everybody has the old-fashioned racist outlook you do. Americans come in all colors and ethnic groups. Our history has been one of expanding inclusiveness. You probably know that even where we define groups for affirmative action purposes Asians are put into the “white” group. Intermarriage grows every year. Someday soon race will matter almost not at all. You should leave the 19th century thinking behind and join the modern world. The future belongs to us, not to the dead ideas you try to resurrect.

What we need in America is to protect the better parts of the culture. Every immigrant who comes to the U.S. believes the U.S. is a better place to live than the place he left behind and he is probably right at least for him. Our right and duty is to keep it that way. So those who want to join us and CONTRIBUTE their unique outlook to the American fabric, and want to come according to the law, should be welcomed. Those who want to keep what they have w/o becoming part of America may as well stay put.

Posted by: Jack at May 13, 2006 10:14 AM
Comment #147863

Mike, I agree. I have been writing for weeks that this hot potatoe has no chance before the elections. Neither side wants to alienate the Hispanic voting block, divided as it is.

Posted by: David R. Remer at May 13, 2006 10:15 AM
Comment #147868

‘alienate the Hispanic voting block’

I would still like to know which hispanics the politicians are listening to.
I was in southern texas (the McAllen area)last week.
I spoke with several Americans with Mexican heritage. Not one of them like the illegals pouring over the border. Not one of them believed they should be given amnesty.
One young man was talking about his FOUR brothers who are in the military. He says they and his family are trying to protect America which includes not giving those who come illegally citizenship.
These people also dislike the fact that so many babies are born each year to illegals and the babies are automatically U.S. citizens.
Seems to me Hispanic Americans who came here the ‘right way’ are just as pissed off as a lot of the rest of us.
We were taken to lunch by a family who call themselves Americans - not Mexican Americans, not Hispanic Americans - Americans.
The waitress could not speak English - I said ‘I guess I wasn’t smart enough to learn Spanish’ - their young boy (about 10) said ‘That’s okay. You aren’t the only one at this table who can’t speak Spanish’.
The boy does not want to learn Spanish. He is an American. Americans speak English.
My next door neighbors have the same attitude. They jumped at a chance to move out of California - said they would never go back because there are too many Mexicans in California.

Posted by: dawn at May 13, 2006 11:01 AM
Comment #147869

Dawn, some 40% of illegal immigrants in this country are NOT Mexican. The problem is bigger than Mexico.

Posted by: David R. Remer at May 13, 2006 11:05 AM
Comment #147871

‘The problem is bigger than Mexico.’

You are correct. I was responding to your statement about alienating the Hispanic voting block.
60% is how many people?
It is a bigger ‘block’ because the remaining 40% is made up of many different nationalities. I don’t remember ever hearing that politicians were concerned about the voting block made up of illegals coming from any other nation - specifically.

Posted by: dawn at May 13, 2006 11:14 AM
Comment #147876

Are there other Countries doing things like producing psmphlets showing their citizens how to get into this Country illigally? Mexico seems to lead the way in this issue.

Posted by: j2t2 at May 13, 2006 11:50 AM
Comment #147908

Immigration is a legal process. Until that process is started these people are not immigrants, they are illegal aliens. They should be handled as such. There are already enough laws on the books covering almost any subject one would care to mention. This problem exists due to an almost total lack of enforcement that has gone on for decades. Add to that fact the actual protections enacted to ‘hide’ these aliens from law enforement, it’s a wonder we don’t have twice the numbers we now have.

Posted by: pige at May 13, 2006 12:59 PM
Comment #147956

All of yall today are just beening so brain washed. Back then the Germany had the jews that the din’t like them at all. Also in America, the african Americans when they were slaves. Calling them illegal aliens, illegal immigrants, yall are so racist im comparing yall to the kkk. A more polite word could be unducumented people. These people are the jews and the slaves of the 21st century. 12 million or more of them, Help them don’t be the kkk of the 21st century. peace

Posted by: not a white person at May 13, 2006 3:46 PM
Comment #147959

That last post is the kind of provocation I have talked about in other posts.

If you notice the carefully misspelled words and the attempt by a non-Southerner to use dialect. I really cannot tell if the purpose it to appear to be an ignorant liberal or an ignorant conservative, however, so it is not a very good provocation.

Posted by: Jack at May 13, 2006 4:20 PM
Comment #147963

If I take a step back and view this issue like a chess player examines the chess board… it gives me a MAJOR rush… you know, commenting about an issue that will someday redraw the boundaries of our country.

Posted by: Mike Tate at May 13, 2006 4:37 PM
Comment #147978

In Maricopa County, AZ there is a popular and well known sheriff. Sheriff Joe Arpiao. There is an AZ law concerning smuggling. Sheriff Joe has trained a 250 man posse and one of their jobs is to locate smugglers and the ones being smuggled and instead of turning them over to the Fereral Government for a free ride home and then to return here again, the Sheriff has instructed his deputies and posse to bring them in for a free trip to his jail. He said he would build more tents in his jail all the way to the border if he had to. That is the spirit we need. The signs carried in LA during one of their marches said that they are here to reconquer the territory. I consider that as an agressive act in order to claim territory held by somebody else. In other words they have invaded us to conquer. Only one congressman, Cong. Tom Tancredo from CO has had the gonads to deal with this head on. Congress needs to get its collective cowardice together and retire from the public troughs which enrich them.

Posted by: tomh at May 13, 2006 6:21 PM
Comment #148000

reconquer! now they at least admit they are not the first native people of the land. They are hear in aggression to our way of life.

every conflict eventually turns to violence. how long can before this one does or will bush just roll over and take it up the tail pipe along with all the rest of the self seeking creeps in washington.

Posted by: lm at May 13, 2006 8:54 PM
Comment #148041

Why is this issue a crisis suddenly? Pure politics.

Nothing substantive will be done, nothing can be done until we address the issue of hiring illegals and cheap labor to undermine the working classes.

Neither party cares about this issue because Americans are too fat and happy to recognize the problem. Let’s blame the Mexicans. As long as I can get a new VCR and a Big screen at Walmart for slave labor rates, why should I care?

Posted by: gergle at May 14, 2006 5:05 AM
Comment #148062

It doesn’t surprise me at all that Republicans in Congress are too spineless to resolve this issue. They’re U-S-E-L-E-S-S.

Posted by: American Pundit at May 14, 2006 10:15 AM
Comment #148126

This is why we no longer believe anything the Republicans say any longer. There is not one practical bit of difference between most of these traitorous swine of both parties any longer. We want the invading army of a foreign power out of this country and no more shilley-shalleying about over these criminals. If our so-called elected representatives can’t do this for us,they can prepare for unemployment. For God’s sake,we have Korean women coming to Los Angeles to have their “anchor children.” This has to stop! We can’t even provide our citizens with a decent health care plan and the greedy fools we elected are busy worrying what criminals think about them while ignoring the will of the electorate. It is no wonder that we hate the majority of the politicians of both political parties. They have sold out the American worker to curry the favor of a foreign power whose invading army is so contemptuous of this country and its people that the invaders have no fear of committing crimes here as they are certain that their motherland will intervene to save them from punishment in many cases and with the blessing of our weak and foolish president.

Posted by: reddogs at May 14, 2006 5:19 PM
Comment #148196

I have worked with workers here with green cards . At the end of their time here , they went home .I do not mind if they are allowed back here to work .Illegal aliens broke the law to come here .They should be sent back home .My entire family is in agreement on this issue, democrats and republicans .And black and white , as i have one black son in law .half my family is liberal democrat and half are hard line republican .Yet we all agree on this .

Posted by: mama at May 14, 2006 11:01 PM
Comment #148361

we the people that are here legally, should hold a protest across the country, liked the illegals did. Its time for us to take back our country, and get the people to vote out the politians out of office, who are soft on illegal immigrants

Posted by: john at May 15, 2006 4:29 PM
Comment #148448

Just watched stupid is as stupid does on tv. He proved once again he ain’t got a clue to what is going on. we don’t need immingration reform just enforcement. we ain’t got no problems with immigration as we are all a bi-product of it.

I do believe it is the illegal part that pis*^% off the citizenship and the lack of enforcement of current laws. we don’t need more laws to go lacks on we just need to grow some cahones and tell v fox what to kiss and where to put his lips.

just looking forward to shoplifters to march demanding rights on property rights as all they want to do is provide for their families!

what a crock.

Posted by: lm at May 15, 2006 8:37 PM
Comment #148455

As long as there are jobs for illegals to do here there will be immigrants. More enforcement and bigger walls won’t stop them. They risk their lives to cross the desert. But, if we cut off the demand there will be no supply. Every worker should have legal documentation, regardless of national heritage (national ID cards, green cards, and work visas). We should increase the number of legal guest workers, pay them minimum wage, and tax their incomes to cover the extra costs they incur. Employers with undocumented workers need to be fined or worse.

Posted by: mcgareyeye at May 15, 2006 8:48 PM
Comment #148487

minimum wage taxes will not pay for the expenses they incur by the welfare system. they cannot work for minimum wage and break even. they will still get more services than they pay for as minimum wage people are not paying taxes today. they are amoung the group that pays no tax in the end.

no benifits for migrant workers legal or not. pay to stay or go away!

Posted by: lm at May 15, 2006 9:56 PM
Comment #148511

There could be as much taxation as needed to cover their expences, it doesn’t have to follow the standard taxation schedule. We really don’t know how much they earn anyways. I don’t think illegal immigrants get welfare benifits, but they do get some health care through emergency services and other social services. It would definately be better than the current situation.

Posted by: mcgareyeye at May 15, 2006 10:43 PM
Comment #148573

the same fake ss number they use to get employment also gets them welfare benefits and medical. you might have 6 or 7 people signed up on the same ss #. happens all the time. where do you think all the reserve comes from in the ss system. nobody to pay the benefits to so it stays in the pot or should I say General Fund!

even if you take all they make at minimum wage it still would not cover their medical much less their food stamps.

Illegals get food stamps all the time. where you been?

you cannot tax more than is scheduled else you be a mean spirited person. you got to feeeeel good aout what you do. warm and fuzzy and all.

Posted by: lm at May 16, 2006 9:03 AM
Comment #149354

MY DAD TOLD ME WHEN I WAS A BOY ABOUT %)YEARS AGO
THIS COUNTRY IS TO STRONG TO BE TAKEN AWAY FROM THE OUTSIDE BUT WE WILL FALL FROM WITHIN I GUESS HE WAS RIGHT

Posted by: joe kress at May 18, 2006 11:32 PM
Comment #220949

WHERE ARE OUR STATESMEN OR PERSON, WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE PROTECTING OUR RIGHTS AND OUR COUNTRY. WE ARE BEING SOLD DOWN THE DRAIN BY OUR OVER INTELLECTUAL PROTECTORS IN THE USA GOVERNMENT. WHAT HAPPENED TO BASIC COMMON SENSE. I HAVE NEVER SO MANY COMMITTEES THAT ARE SO ZEALOUS IN CONFUSION AND MAKING THINGS SO THAT THE AMERICAN CITIZEN HAS VERY FEW RIGHTS OR BENEFITS TO LOOK FORWARD TO. QUIT JUSTIFYING YOUR ENDEAVORS AND DO WHAT IS RIGHT, EVEN IF IT PUTS YOU IN A BAD LIGHT WITH THOSE THAT WOULD DESTROY OUR FREEDOMS AND OUR PROTECTIONS. DO NOT PASS THIS IMIGRATION BILL, IT IS NOT GOOD FOR OUR COUNTRY OR FOR OUR CITIZENS, WHO HAVE ALREADY GIVEN SO MUCH. GET THOSE GURDS OUT OF PRISON, WHO TRYED TO STAND UP AND FIGHT AT THE BORDER.
MAY THE LEDERSHIP WE NEED AT THIS CRUCIAL TIME IN OUR HISTORY, STAND UP, FIGHT BACK, AND BE AS PATRICK HENRY AND NOT BE SELF INDULGING WITH GEEDINESS FOR SELF.

Posted by: RALPH WRIGHT at May 21, 2007 9:49 AM
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