Immigration Laws: Enforcement Futility and Compromise Impossibility

Immigration law reform competes with the reality of demographic changes.

If Congress legislates on the concerns of the American people and compromises to pass a bill advocating the deportation of illegal aliens from the United States, who would enforce it? The authorities running major bastions where illegal immigration is rife will definitely not. In California, Maywood recently voted against any federal law criminalizing illegal immigrants or requiring police departments to enforce immigration law. Coachella just declared itself a "sanctuary" city. San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom opposes any immigration legislation "criminalizing" illegal aliens. L.A. Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa succinctly provides his city's stance on illegal immigration when he yells that there are "no illegal people here." Meanwhile, Chicago will resist any immigration law advocating the felonization of illegal aliens. The list where illegal immigrants are safely harbored goes on: Houston, Seattle, Austin, Portland, Long Beach, San Diego, and New York.

If the Senate compromises on any immigration reform legislation, will both chambers of Congress be able to compromise on a single bill also? Even if compromise is reached, so what? -- it will be much later in the year. Time is crucial. Time is everything in this debate. Every day, every week, more illegal aliens cross into the United States. These numbers aren't showing any signs of stopping and are rising dramatically too. If compromise is not reached this year, when will it? In 5 years? In 10 years? By then immigration reform will be futile, and the border between Mexico and California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas will exist only on paper. Are we planning on deporting the entire southern half of the border states?

Amnesty is inevitable.

Posted by Mike Tate at April 17, 2006 7:36 AM
Comments
Comment #141172

Your right amnesty is inevitable.
Something must be done to stop and
control the flow. If this does not
occur then we deal with the problem
over and over again. We must control
our boarders.

Then laws must be passed to punish
anyone that hires illegal immigrants.
They are a drain on the economy. If
the jobs for undocumented workers
carry a penalty for those who hire
them it soon fixes its self.

Most inportantly is FUNDING not lip
service. Fund border control, fund
additional officers , fund the update
of the immagration offices with affective
ways to track guest and screen immagrants.
Yes it is hard and unpopular but if left
undone the problem will only grow and
America can not afford that.

Posted by: Honey P at April 17, 2006 8:34 AM
Comment #141183

It already requires deportation. Enforcement of the current law is the problem. Passing a new bill isn’t going to change that.

Posted by: womanmarine at April 17, 2006 9:47 AM
Comment #141191
If Congress legislates on the concerns of the American people and compromises to pass a bill advocating the deportation of illegal aliens from the United States, who would enforce it?

Federal law is enforced by the Executive branch of our government…our Constitution mandates it. However, we currently have a president who considers our Constitution a “goddamned piece of paper”…he who took an oath to “uphold” said “goddamned piece of paper”…there are federal laws to punish employers who hire illegal workers…the current “oath” taker has decided not to enforce those laws.

What makes anyone think he’d enforce laws to deport all that cheap labor his buddies and cash givers so desire so they can continue to make obscene profits on the backs of workers??? Bush continues to write little “signing notes” on bills in which he “interprets” the bill according to his own notions, even if the language in the bill has no passing acquaintance with his “interpretation”…besides, our Constitution (yup.,..that “goddamned piece of paper”!) gives “interpretation” of law to the judiciary.

This man (and I use the term very loosley, as he is pretty much lacking in any qualities a real man would exhibit) obviously lied under oath…having no intention of acting as the Constitution mandates…that is a bigger threat to the continuation of democracy in our nation than the presence of illegals.

Posted by: Lynne at April 17, 2006 10:28 AM
Comment #141195

While we’re at it, why not give amnesty to those poor folks who sell cocaine too?
Don’t they deserve the chance to earn legality in America?
Surely if they have been working hard and long enough providing a service to Americans, they should be given unconditional and immediate amnesty!
I’m sure just as many could march carrying flags and just as many could vote as any illegal alien group, aren’t they important too?
Don’t we want people who sell drugs to come out of the shadows?
People who sell cocaine could surely go to school, have jobs, spouses and children, don’t they deserve consideration for their special circumstances?
Aren’t they as a group, oppressed and deserve protection from bias and should have every other minority status benefit?
Sellers of cocaine unite!

America is in danger of being destroyed by aliens.
The law is clear, deport at a controlled rate and put the military on the borders, until none remain and none can return. Abolish birthright citizenship.
Where do you go to sue the federal government for non enforcement of federal law?

Posted by: Sovreign at April 17, 2006 11:39 AM
Comment #141202

In the interests of the free market, we should allow anyone who wants to come in to come, whether they are poor people who want to pick tomatoes for $1.00 an hour, or write software for $10 an hour, they should be allowed to. Why is it “free market capitalism” to allow companies to move their plants overseas, but not to allow workers to come here and work? Personally, given the choice, I would rather have the people come here than have the jobs go there. And don’t talk to me about immigrants destroying our culture. There’s no “right to your culture” in the U.S. Constitution. If your culture can’t hack it, then it should die. I don’t care if America remains a white, Christian nation or not. If we become a brown, non-Christian country that doesn’t observe Christmas, that’s ok. It’s called the free market of ideas. And don’t even talk about keeping us “white.” Again, there’s no “right to be white” in the Constitution.

Posted by: libertarianguy at April 17, 2006 12:30 PM
Comment #141203

As long as the Democratic Party refuse to help the working class US citizen and stop trying to build their voter base and job security by allowing illegal to remain. The Republican Party will continue to build their power base and further erode the wages and power of the legal US middle class working person.

Posted by: larry wright at April 17, 2006 12:37 PM
Comment #141204

Immigration is occuring as it has throughwout man’s history. People go where they believe they can do better for themselves. Short of becoming a gestapo state, it is inevitable. Deal with it. I live in Texas and accept the fact that this is part of Old Mexico, always was and always will be. There was a time when Texas Rangers killed Mexicans without consequence. Is that what you guys want? If not, then tell me your plan that has an ice-cube’s chance in hell.

Posted by: Jack Mohammedoff at April 17, 2006 12:50 PM
Comment #141229

Lynne,

Yes, Bush isn’t keeping the illegals out. But, is there any other presidential material out there that would do better?

Let’s see…

From Hillary’s web site…

I am proud of America’s commitment to welcoming immigrants. We are all immeasurably enriched by the contributions of immigrants who have come to this country to find the American dream through their hard work. That’s why I led efforts for the Immigrant Children’s Health Improvement Act, championed the Access to Employment and English Acquisition Act, and co-sponsored the DREAM Act, which makes it possible for hardworking young people to attend college. These measures recognize that all America is strengthened when immigrants have access to health care and education that will enable them to become fully participating members of our society.

Nope…no help there.

How about John Kerry? Could he enforce the immigration laws?

From issues2000.org…

Q: Would you support legalizing undocumented immigrants in this country? KERRY: Absolutely. I supported and was prepared to vote for amnesty from 1986. And it is essential to have immigration reform. Anyone who has been in this country for five or six years, who’s paid their taxes, who has stayed out of trouble, ought to be able to translate into an American citizenship immediately, not waiting.

Well, if Kerry’s in charge…we’ll have 11 million new citizens…pronto!

How about Al Gore? Surely Al can save us from the “invading hordes”…right?

From CNN…August 1, 2000:

One of Gore’s attempts to improve government produced such confusion that thousands of people became citizens without adequate background checks, the Justice Dept. says in a new report, and “compromised the integrity” of the INS process. [But] the report said there is no evidence that the 1996 election motivated the crash program. Under the crash “Citizenship USA” program, a part of Gore’s government reinvention effort, about 1.2 million people were given citizenship from Oct. 1995 to Sept. 1996, [with the intent of] eliminating a massive backlog of nearly 500,000 citizenship cases at INS. The waiting period for citizenship had been as much as three years. The investigators found that the crash program put quantity over quality. The INS had processed applicants so quickly that in many cases citizenship was granted before the INS received criminal background checks from the FBI. But the report said there was no way to determine how many unqualified individuals gained citizenship.

OK…so Bush can’t save us…and the Dems won’t save us. It seems no one (Rep OR Dem) wants to stem the flow of illegals into this country.

It seems the thought of 11 million new voters makes both Dems and Reps salivate.

Thank you Reps and Dems.

So…let me start practicing.

Hola. Que pasa? Nada. Mas cerveza, por favor.

Posted by: Jim T at April 17, 2006 3:25 PM
Comment #141233

Our do-nothing government is so incredibily inept and incompetent, it is sheer folly to believe they will ever do anything about the problem.

And, voters are simply too lazy, preoccupied, complacent, or apathetic to ever lift a finger to change it. Not even when it is costing them a lot of money and their very own lives.

Democrats want 12 million more votes,
and Republicans want cheap labor.

This will all be forgotten soon after the November elections, like after every election.

The 1986 made the problem worse. We are not reaping what we sowed.
The problem tripled.
Another amnesty will quadruple the problem again.
Those that get amnesty will simply invite 20 more illegal aliens to come live with them.

While the statistics and reports are damning, no one knows the total cost in lives due to murders by illegal aliens. No surprises really. This is the typical result of massive, uncontrolled, illegal immigration.

While the most recent murder rates by illegal aliens in the U.S. is high, and estimates vary, it is not a pretty picture by any measure.

With existing data, if you take the murder rate in Brazil, Mexico, Salvador, Chinese, and 39 other categories of illegal alien (as totaled in a Census Bureau estimate of the 8.7 million illegal alien population in the year 2000), and assume those crime rates are the same, then illegal aliens murder at least 1408 to 2510 people in the U.S. per year.

Therefore, let’s take the lowest estimate (even though it is most likely closer to 2000), and assume illegal aliens are more law abiding after reaching the U.S. Thus, lets reduce the 1408 by 6% (i.e. to 1323 murders per year).

Therefore, there are at least 1323 murders by illegal aliens per year.

But, it can be conservatively estimated:

  • By the end of 2005, there were an estimated 12 million illegal aliens in the U.S.

  • Murders commited by illegal aliens are estimated to be between 1408 to 2510 murders per year (source: humaneventsonline.com). Let’s use the smallest estimate reduced by 6% (i.e. 94% of 1408 = 1323 murders per year by illegal aliens).

  • Total U.S. prison population in 2004 was 2.2 million.
  • The U.S. population is about 299 million.

  • 29% of all prisoners are illegal aliens (about 638,000 of 2.2 million)

  • In 2004, there were 16,528 murders in the U.S.

  • 1323 murders / 12 million illegal aliens = 0.0001173 murders per illegal alien

  • 16528 murders / 299 million U.S. citizens = 0.00005528 murders per U.S. citizen

  • 0.00011025 / 0.00005528 = 2.00 (that is, the murder rate by illegal aliens is 2.00 times higher than by U.S. citizens)

  • 12 million illegal aliens are 4% of the U.S. population (299 million), but commit 8% of all murders in the U.S.

This is not hard to believe if you consider that (in Los Angeles alone) 95% of 1200 homicide arrest warrants are for illegal aliens, and 66% of 17,000 fugitive felony arrest warrants are for illegal aliens.

As reported by San Francisco Chronicle (2-July-2003), the 11% spike in homicides in Los Angeles in 2002 was closely followed by a 7.8% increase in the number of homicides statewide. “In addition to a 7.9% increase in homicides,” the newspaper wrote, “the number of reported rapes increased by 1.4% , robberies by 0.8%, burglaries by 1.7% and motor vehicle theft by 8.6%.” Crime rates in California have been on the rise steadily since 1999, following eight consecutive years of declining crime rates from 1992 to 1999. In 2002, in Los Angeles County, there was 25% increase to 135 homicides.

The 2,000 deaths of U.S. troops in Iraq over a 32 month period = 750 deaths per year. With a murder rate of 1323 per year by illegal aliens, illegal aliens and the pursuit of cheap labor in the U.S. is almost twice as deadly as the war in Iraq. And the estimate of 1323 is a very conservative estimate (for some reason, the government hides or refuses to compile this data).

We have to be practical.
We can not easily deport 12 million illegal aliens. That is a bad idea.
What we should do is

  • Secure the borders at a cost ($8 billion for the fence/road, and $10 billion per year for personnel) that is much lower than the current net loses estimated at $70 billion per year (confirmed losses were $24.4 billion in 1996 (source: Center for Immigration Studies).

  • Require ALL employers to use the Social Security Verification System for ALL hires. Prosecute employers of illegal aliens.

  • Deny ALL illegal alien births automatic citizenship. End blue passports for anchor babies;

  • Deny ALL illegal aliens a FREE K-12 education.

  • Deny ALL illegal aliens ANY and ALL ‘public benefits’

  • Deny ALL illegal aliens driver’s licenses

  • Deny ALL illegal aliens college tuitions

  • Deport all incarcerated criminal aliens immediately;

  • Provide transportation (free) for illegal aliens volunteering to be deported; most other illegal aliens will leave voluntarily once there are no longer any employers of illegal aliens, no freebies (Medicaid, Social Security, welfare, healthcare), and no more automatic citizenship for offspring of illegal aliens allowing illegal alien parents to obtain blue passports;
  • Verify ALL voter’s citizenship, before permission to vote.

Until then, we are paying a very high price for the massive, uncontrolled illegal immigration. It causes chaos, crime, societal disorder, resentments, and fuels racism.

Also, crime is only part of the problem. There is also an estimated $70 billion loss per year due:

  • burden on education systems;

  • burden on healthcare systems;

  • burden on hospital systems;

  • burden on welfare systems; 32% of illegal aliens receive welfare;

  • burden on Social Security system;

  • burden on Medicaid system;

  • burden on border patrol systems; ever increasing numbers are needed;

  • burden on insurance systems; illegal aliens can/will not pay for damages they cause;

  • burden on law enforcement systems; costing California billions per year; 29% of prisoners are illegal aliens;

  • burden on prison systems; 29% of those in state and federal prisons (Sep-2004) are illegal aliens;

  • voter fraud; burden on voting systems;

Thousands are dying in the U.S., but at least our lawns look nice.

Posted by: d.a.n at April 17, 2006 3:40 PM
Comment #141249

No one’s harboring aliens. They simply don’t want to make it a felony crime. The proposal to let people who work here for another ten years legally become citizens doesn’t sound like “amnesty” to me.

Why is this such an issue with you guys all of the sudden? Is it that your party has done nothing right and now, as a last ditch effort, is taking the low road yet again and betting that pandering to people’s racism and xenophobia can’t fail to buy a couple votes?

How did this issue sneak up on Bush by the way? Remember all those tv ads of him with Mexicans talking about a new partnership with Mexio? Is there anyone or any issue this guy won’t turn his back on - other than backing up his cronies and embedding the US in the tar pit of Iraq?

Seriously, if you are so outraged at the thought of criminals getting away with something look to your own party and the “amnesty” you are giving this administration.

Posted by: Max at April 17, 2006 4:50 PM
Comment #141256

D.A.N.

Can’t you just post a few sentences and a link? It really is tiresome the way you copy and paste on every post.

Posted by: womanmarine at April 17, 2006 5:05 PM
Comment #141270

i think we should conscript any illegals caught in the US without the authorization to be here. Well, conscript them after giving them a choice of deportation or jail. Or deportation after jail (they did break the law after all).

This way, they get drafted, and have to fight for this country, thereby proving their loyalty after a certain term of service. Also, they will learn (be forced to learn) our language, culture, history, and hopefully a job skill while there. Almost a forced assimilation if you will. After their term of service, they will be givin amnesty for their crime (coming here illegally) and given the choice to stay here and accept citizenship or if they dont want to remain, we can send them back to whereever they came from.

You guys are going to flame me for this - say it is a stupid/crazy idea, but i’ve heard some others that are just as far out there (purchasing Mexico comes to mind).

I think this is a great idea…

Posted by: b0mbay at April 17, 2006 6:50 PM
Comment #141281

womanmarine,
Here’s the solution for you.
Get you one of those mice that has a roller wheel on it.

Roll the mouse wheel down to scroll down.
Roll the mouse wheel up to scroll up.
And, look at the bright side.
Think of all the exercise and calories you are getting while operating the mouse wheel.

: )

Posted by: d.a.n at April 17, 2006 7:40 PM
Comment #141286

D.A.N.

Kiss my grits.

I can’t be the only one tired of the same copy and paste, reams of it, over and over.

Scroll your own mouse wheel.

Posted by: womanmarine at April 17, 2006 7:49 PM
Comment #141288

Illegal immigration is a major issue for every nation, whether it be France, Chad, or even Japan. Is it a problem; maybe in many foriegn countries, but not in the United States.
Illegal immigrants take the jobs that Americans don’t do! This is very true, up to 70% of the chicken industry’s labor force are illegals who debone and process the chicken; also in agriculture, half the labor force is made up of illegals.
If we were to deport all the illegals currently on U.S. soil (which is impossible) the economy would suffer drastically. The reason why Americans spend less money at the grocery store than at the gas pump is because of the cheap labor force consisted of illegals.

Posted by: greenstuff at April 17, 2006 7:52 PM
Comment #141289

Isn’t that similar to what they said about the slaves?

Posted by: womanmarine at April 17, 2006 7:55 PM
Comment #141290

bombay,
Oh no!!!!! The White Man’s Cutlure will be destroyed!!!!! After all those years of destroying the culture of the savage natives and whipping the the inferior black ones to our rule, all our work was for nothing!!!!

Posted by: greenstuff at April 17, 2006 7:56 PM
Comment #141293

womanmarine,
I could see how you might view it as slavery, but these illegals can be given the opportunity to rise to a higher wealth and occupational status, something the conservatives are trying to prevent.

Posted by: greenstuff at April 17, 2006 7:59 PM
Comment #141294

womanmarine - you can always skip reading his comments ;)

Posted by: Mike Tate at April 17, 2006 7:59 PM
Comment #141295

Mike Tate:

I do. It’s just tiresome, and IIRC he was asked once by someone else to post links. I thought it was recommended for voluminous things. I thought the idea was to put thought into the posts. Oh, well.

Greenstuff: no I don’t view it as slavery, they said the same economic ruin would occur when the slaves were freed. Didn’t happen. I think you choose to misunderstand.

AND they also take jobs that citizens would do, I don’t buy that Americans won’t do it. The employers save money illegally by hiring illegal workers. No taxes paid, etc, etc. But you probably know that, and think that’s okay because it “keeps the price down”, so whatever.

Posted by: womanmarine at April 17, 2006 8:05 PM
Comment #141296

womanmarine,
Although it is true that illegals don’t pay taxes, this isn’t because they don’t want to pay them, it’s because they can’t. However, if these illegals were given a proper way to getting a green card or even citizenship, they would pay their taxes like every other American (well most Americans…).

Posted by: greenstuff at April 17, 2006 8:09 PM
Comment #141306


In an effort to stay on topics of current headlines I feel the need to toss my couple of cents at the border/security/immigration issue.
The security aspect should be self explanatory but some how when these fools (politician’s) get to Washington they have to check their common sense at the door. We can post our people on the border of every other country in the world (Korea, Germany, Bosnia, etc.) but don’t think it is important to do likewise on our own.
It has been said that the illegals have a negative impact on public resources ie: schools, hospitals, services etc. Lets just assume this to be true. I can confidently say that it is, by vertue of living in Texas and don’t get in a car accident with an illegal. Dollars to donuts he will not have any insurance. Enough of that, they get beat up on plenty and you know all the stories anyway.
It has also been said that if we stem the tide of labor our economy would suffer. Lets also assume this to be true, once again I can attest to the validity of the statement. The variety of fields you can find an illegal in are as many as there are entries in the yellow pages.
I know you are thinking that there is no answer, can’t fix one without breaking the other.
BULL !
If I have to pay a higher price for goods and services due to the lack of cheap labor, then I should not have to pay as much for the infrastructure that is not being consumed buy illegals due to the lack of cheap labor. ERGO (always wanted to use that word) I would not be paying to support my cheap labor and have a lesser tax burden to pay the more natural price for goods and services not artificially lowered by the cheap labor…..
Do you think we will get any of our tax money back if the border is controled?
How long are you ‘spose to hold this smoke in?
Now you see how it is all intertwined. Capitalism is like a glass of water and will always find level when left alone but when you try to adjust or influence it to fit someone’s idea of what is fair then there is no natural level and the entire system is blown.
Someone is going to get rich and someone has to dig the ditches.
Why can’t we leave things alone.

Posted by: R. Paul Gani at April 17, 2006 8:32 PM
Comment #141307

greenstuff - get off the pipe bro.

Face it, I came up with the ultimate idea for solving this problem, and you are just jealous you didnt think of it first.

Hey - we had special regiments of blacks during the civil war, wwI and WWII. Why not the same with an illegal immigrant division. how awesome would it be to hear stories of extra bravery from the front lines from those willing to prove their loyalty to their host country.

Id give em a medal - you betcha.

Posted by: b0mbay at April 17, 2006 8:32 PM
Comment #141308

bombay,
JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA!!!! Your kidding right, because if your not…

Posted by: greenstuff at April 17, 2006 8:34 PM
Comment #141310

R. Paul Gani,
The American public school system is failing, even without the help of illegals. Currently, as reported by Time Magazine, 30% of students don’t graduate from high school within their senior year.
But this is another topic, to discuss at a later time.

Posted by: greenstuff at April 17, 2006 8:42 PM
Comment #141315

“Illegal immigrants take the jobs that Americans don’t do! This is very true, up to 70% of the chicken industry’s labor force are illegals who debone and process the chicken; also in agriculture, half the labor force is made up of illegals.
If we were to deport all the illegals currently on U.S. soil (which is impossible) the economy would suffer drastically. The reason why Americans spend less money at the grocery store than at the gas pump is because of the cheap labor force consisted of illegals.”

But there is another side to this. Because these people hire immigrant workers, they can abuse the workers and not obey labor laws (or sanitation regulations) which is why most slaughter houses are extremely dangerous and dirty places to be. If our government enforced the laws making it illegal for people to higher illegals, then it would suddenly stop being cheaper to run the factory style farming operations, which rely on immigrant labor to avoid following the law. They need the cheap abusable workforce to avoid other laws, like not processing the fecal matter their farms produce.

Wonder how many lawsuits the Clinton administration brought against companies opperating slaughterhouses in ways that are unsanitary, immoral, and illegal? The answer is of course Zero. How about Bush? Wow, good call, Zero.

No one will protect the people from abuses this systemic, and when the people who work for the abusers are not legally in the United States, there is no chance of whistleblowing.

Read the book Slaughterhouse by Gail Eisnitz, she wasn’t a vegetarian when she started doing her investigative reporting, but she stopped eating American meat after discovering how disgusting the industry has become.

And its all built on the backs of migrant workers, who aren’t compensated for their toil with any health insurance. They go to hospital emergency rooms, and we act as though they are stealing from the pockets of the American people. These individuals would have healthcare plans and a union if they were legal workers, but they don’t, because theyre illegal. This is the business passing the cost off on the rest of us.

Illegal immigration is a problem that MUST be fixed. You have to pay minimum wage in this country, you have to follow our laws. If your industry cannot survive within the bounds of our laws, then it should figure out how to stay profitable, or get gone.

Posted by: iandanger at April 17, 2006 8:51 PM
Comment #141318
D.A.N. Kiss my grits.
OOOOOOOOOoooooooo ………. A might touchy aren’t cha ?
I can’t be the only one tired of the same copy and paste, reams of it, over and over.

Dear womanmarine,

  • That was my first and only post on this thread.

  • And, that post was different from any post I’ve ever posted.

  • And, that post had much new content and research.

  • And, not every one here is a regular, or leaves comments as evidenced by the hit counters.

  • And, there is that little wheel on your mouse. Try it. You’ll like it.
  • And, there’s also that scroll bar think on the right side of the browser. I often prefer that for variable speed scrolling.

  • And, I do use hyper-links all the time.
  • Scroll your own mouse wheel.

    I do. I do. All the time.

    Remember? I’m the one that told you about it.

    And it’s so easy too.

    And here’s another little tip.

    If you have one of those nifty little mice with a wheel, press the wheel down once, and move the mouse up or down and it will scroll at a speed proportional to the distance from where you clicked it. See how easy that is?

    Now wasn’t that educational?
    Happy computing!

    Posted by: d.a.n at April 17, 2006 9:04 PM
    Comment #141322

    Hey d.a.n.
    That aint you is it? Like what you’ve done with your eyes. ha!

    I don’t see amnesty as a way to solve the illegal immigration problem. The only thing thatll do is encourage more illegals to come. It’s telling them that all they have to do is get here, not get caught long enough, and presto, they can become legal.
    What we need to do is round them all up and ship them back to wherever they came from. Then build a wall thatll keep them out.

    Posted by: Ron Brown at April 17, 2006 9:20 PM
    Comment #141328

    Hey Ron,
    Yep. Bad lasik job.! : )
    I agree. Amnesty is a bad idea.
    And if they want citizenship, it is only fair that they’ll get in line behind those playing by the rules.
    In 1986, 4+ million illegal aliens received amnesty and they proceded to invite their 20 closest relatives (illegal aliens).
    The problem tripled (or worse).

    There are now 12 million new illegal aliens, and growing by 2000 per day.

    Also, we can not easily deport 12 million illegal aliens.

    What we need to do is secure the borders, eliminate the freebies (e.g. welfare, Medicaid, education, etc.) that attract illegal aliens, enforce the laws and prosecute the greedy employers (who reap most of the profits) that employ illegal aliens, deport those (at our own cost) that volunteer to be deported to their homeland, and wait for the rest to leave voluntarily when there’s nothing to keep them here any longer.

    The argument that the U.S. will crumble without cheap labor is a complete myth, because that cheap labor is costing American lives and a loss of $70 billion per year. A GAO report in 1996 establish the net loss at $24.4 billion. California alone has an annaul $10.5 billion net loss. And homicides by illegal aliens (1323 per year) is double the homicide rate of U.S. Citizens.

    The argument for cheap labor is a complete myth by people that do not have the slightest idea what they are talking about. The U.S. would not crumble because the U.S. would suddenly be saving many tens of billions per year.

    Not the entire $70 billion.
    A fence/road would cost $8 billion initially, and $10 billion per year to patrol it.
    But, that $18 billion is less than a quarter of the $70 billion net loss not shouldered by American tax payers.

    Posted by: d.a.n at April 17, 2006 9:40 PM
    Comment #141329

    And, none of that includes the cost of 1323 homicides per year by illegal aliens.
    That is the cost of that?

    Posted by: d.a.n at April 17, 2006 9:43 PM
    Comment #141370

    The problem is the cocaine jobs. Newt Gingrich has suggested enforcing employment laws by producing secure ID cards and levying heavy fines to dry up the demand. He also suggests privatizing production of the ID’s to a company like American Express or Visa. We know there is no Credit Card fraud.

    Posted by: Jack Mohammedoff at April 18, 2006 1:51 AM
    Comment #141393

    Biometrics

    Posted by: d.a.n at April 18, 2006 8:32 AM
    Comment #141434

    d.a.n.

    I’d also like to join womanmarine in asking that you make briefer posts. You seem to post long, copied-and-pasted chunks of very similar material in almost every thread.

    I know I can scroll my mouse wheel, but I think the fact is, I shouldn’t have to. Not on every thread, not when it’s almost always the same “vote out incumbents” material.

    Please, man, give us a little break.

    Posted by: Arr-squared at April 18, 2006 12:57 PM
    Comment #141453

    Arr-squared,
    Didn’t you see my post directly above yours?
    It was one word.
    How much shorter can you get?

    Posted by: d.a.n at April 18, 2006 1:53 PM
    Comment #141457

    Arr-squared,
    BTW, I didn’t post anything on this thread about voting out incumbents.

    Posted by: d.a.n at April 18, 2006 1:57 PM
    Comment #141460

    Oh my gosh.
    It’s just terrible, I tell ya !
    How dare someone make me scroll up and down an extra page.
    That really gets under my skin.
    I could get a finger cramp, or worse.
    There really ought to be a law against that.
    Nagdabitt!
    : (

    Posted by: d.a.n at April 18, 2006 2:09 PM
    Comment #141492

    Nobody’s talking about a law, you were asked nicely to refrain from doing something, and you will choose whether or not you’ll try to limit the cut & paste action. End of story.

    Don’t make this something it isn’t. You have a tendency that some find irritating, and you’ll either do something about it or not. You often have a lot of good things to say, and we’ve had many good exchanges. I’d like to see that continue.

    Posted by: Arr-squared at April 18, 2006 3:52 PM
    Comment #141503

    Why thank you. I’ll leave it at that.

    Posted by: d.a.n at April 18, 2006 4:16 PM
    Comment #141566

    There is not one good reason to write another law on the immigration issue. Post 1986 amnesty, the laws were written to deal with illegals abd employers who hire illegals. In 2000 417 citations were issued for failure to comply with employment law; in 2004 three (yes 3) citations were issued. The feds have a database that employers can access for quick check of illegal or legal ID documents. Cuts down considerably on the “I didn’t know the documents were forged” defense.

    How does Congress propose illegals supply proof of their time in the U.S. illegally? Fraudulent document industry loves our inept government.

    Illegals granted amnesty could not wait to start bringing all their relatives across the border to live with them. This new wave of illegals have already started their talk about bringing relatives across under the generous family plan-the family Econoline van.

    Lastly, giving any credence to the demands of illegals on our government representatives opens the door to rampant sense of entitlement among illegals and the soon to arrive illegals.

    The argument that certain cities are refusing to recognize illegals or cooperate in enforcement of illegal activity laws is garbage. The feds have always used the dollar bill to influence cities and states to cooperate. The 55-mph speed limit (cooperate or we cut your highway funds); The 21-year old drinking age; the No Child Left Behind Act. There is no end to the leverage the feds can exert when they want to. Cities and states would quickly rally to the cause.

    Posted by: KDTEXAS at April 18, 2006 9:33 PM
    Comment #141591

    KDTEXAS
    The Fed data base your talking about only covers Social Security Cards and then only tells if the person the number is issued to is dead or not.
    But it’s a good start. Illegals get numbers from dead folks and use them to get State Issued IDs or Drivers License. The present these to the employer for employment. If the employer checks the SS website they might catch the illegal. But it’s not a guarantee that’ll happen.

    Posted by: Ron Brown at April 18, 2006 11:57 PM
    Comment #141596

    Their is a simple solution to the 12 million in the USA and some laws need to be revised it is as follows
    First offence if you hire illegals
    There should be a $500.00 fine to the company and a $100.00 to the person who did the actual hireling, also 20 hours of community service for the one who did the hireling, the one who oversees the hiring (human recourses) the company owner and all on the board of directors (if their is one)
    Second offence the above doubles
    Third offence
    The 2nd offence triples and owner looses his business license and is blocked from getting another one for 5 years also his company goes on the auction block, he and his board of directors are banned from any moneys owed, pensions, dividends or benefits from the sale of the company. The board of directors are also banned from obtaining a similar position with any company for 5 years. After 5 years 1 more offence and there will be jail time.
    Now how to enforce this and make it workable.
    There is a $100.00 reward paid to any legal resident of the USA per illegal, 25% of the remaining fines goes to the agency that collects the illeagles, 25% goes to the agency that stores and deports them, 25% to the state and 25% to the feds. As the federal government is a joke when it comes to getting just about anything done, turn the collecting, storage, and deporting of them over to the private sector.
    There will still need to be some safeguards installed, the person who did the hiring will probably loose their job and 1st, 2nd and 3rd offences do not have to be at the same company, this can be simply tracked with their SS# of green card. Anyone caught trying to destroy a business by hiring illeagles should get 5 to 10 years and if it is found that a competor was behind it they get put away also.
    There should be a panel for arbitration if a company feels that they were presented with forged documents (and they would have to be of very high quality) ect..
    This will go a long way to solving the problem is a variety of ways
    1. Business owners will be scared to death to hire illeagles
    2. It gets the average guy on the street involved with some incentive.
    3. It will give the state and feds a way to “tax” and make money on the illegal problem.
    4. It will dry up the reason they come in the first place.

    Posted by: DS at April 19, 2006 12:04 AM
    Comment #141608

    DS,
    Interesting ideas.
    Good ideas for penalties for employers.
    The profit motive might be workable with a few safeguards to prevent abuse. Systems always have to be carefully designed to account for the human factor and account for it adequately to discourage corruption.
    Also, biometrics could be a big help. It’s hard to falsify two or more biometrics (e.g. iris, retina, fingerprint, hand geometry, height, eye color, DNA, vein structure on back of hand, finger geometry, facial geometry, etc.).

    Some states are starting to seriously look at sealing their own borders, since the federal government is so totally worthless.

    Unfortunately, Democrats want votes, Republicans want cheap labor (which profits greedy employers mostly), Illegal aliens want to keep coming here, and the majority of American voters want it stopped.

    Who wins?

    Everyone, but the slumbering American voter (as usual).

    Perhaps, it is what they deserve for lazily allowing it, and allowing hundreds of other serious issues to go ignored, decade after decade, mildly bitchin’ about it once in a while, but refusin’ to do the one simple thing, right there under their nose, that the voters were supposed to be doing all along: Vote out irresponsible incumbent politicians, always. Keep the good ones (if any…there ain’t many anymore, if any at all).

    But, look at the sly way pandering, FOR-SALE, bought-and-paid-for incumbent politicians, posturing for votes and cheap-labor, are pitting American voters and illegal aliens against each other.

    It is the new distraction: immigration status .

    For a while, anyway, until after the elections in November, when it will be abruptly forgotten, and will all return to fueling their old favorite: petty partisan warfare .

    Whatever the distraction, the goal is to create a circular pattern of thought and behavior to whip the voters into a frenzy, to divide the voters, to distract them from more substantive issues constantly neglected by the cheaters, and prevent the voters, seduced into the circular pattern, from ever realizing that they are being manipulated. It is very powerful.

    We should all try to look at this from the illegal aliens view point.
    Most just come here to look for work.
    True, the American Dream for some (32% receive welfare and 29% reside in a U.S. prison) is crime and welfare, but most come for work.

    Now, once here, they see that the law isn’t looking for them.
    Americans are not enforcing their own illegal immigration laws.
    So, illegal aliens think they are welcome.
    But, the illegal alien doesn’t know about the dummy American tax payer.
    The illegal alien doesn’t understand that the average Americans’ lot in life in the U.S. is to bend over and …
    So, when there’s all this talk about illegal immigration, the illegal aliens are wondering, “what the hell crawled up their … ?”
    We just want to work.
    This country would crumble with out us (delusions of grandeur).
    Besides, you practically invited me here.
    You gave me a job.
    Now the U.S. wants illegal aliens to leave ?
    The average illegal alien thinks most illegal aliens are an asset to the U.S.
    They want to believe so badly that the U.S. will crumble without their skills.
    But, they don’t understand that the U.S. is losing over $70 billion per year.
    Illegal aliens don’t want to believe they are a net loss.
    Never mind most don’t pay income taxes.
    And, most don’t make much money, so there is not much of a tax base there to begin with.

    So, what we have is a mess.
    If we give amnesty, the problem will mushroom to nightmare proportions.
    Crime rates will climb even higher.
    Crime rates by illegal aliens are already double the norm.
    Homicides by illegal aliens, now over one thousand per year, will triple in just a few years, just as they did in the last 10 years.
    The current net loss of $70 billion will become $210 billion (almost the cost of the first 24 months of the Iraq war).

    The weak link in the system is the slumbering American voters. They feel the burden on education, healthcare, ER, hospital, law enforcement, welfare, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, law enforcement, voting, and prison systems, but they haven’t really made the connection yet. One of the major causes is all of those services and freebies being provided to 12 million illegal aliens.

    Voters have the one simple thing right under their nose, but are too complacent, or something, to use it to vote out all irresponsible incumbents, always.

    By the time voters remember what voting was supposed to be all about, it will be too late, and they will only have themselves to thank for it.

    Posted by: d.a.n at April 19, 2006 12:58 AM
    Comment #141634

    D.A.N
    I think you hit the nail right on the head as to what needs to be done. Now it just needs to happen.
    One important factor to think about is the fact that by 2050 the wolds population is expected to double and people are going to go where ever they can find room at(can’t blame them anyone would do the same). The thing is should we suffer for that becauce we practice population control, and I mean as Americans black, white and Brown. Do we want this country to be third world?
    The one thing I do not here anyone saying is that we need to be contacting our elected officials and tell them what we expect them to do. I think what the American public wants on this crosses party lines. We just need to make our voices herd and not take no for an answer.
    What our officials need to trealize is that once they leave they will not have to worry about their votes swinging the elections. This is a time for leaders not politicians, in both parties. We should pull together as a nation on this one and quit pointing fingers. We owe it to our way of life here.

    Posted by: MartyMan at April 19, 2006 5:48 AM
    Comment #141673
    The one thing I do not here anyone saying is that we need to be contacting our elected officials and tell them what we expect them to do. I think what the American public wants on this crosses party lines. We just need to make our voices herd and not take no for an answer. What our officials need to realize is that once they leave they will not have to worry about their votes swinging the elections. This is a time for leaders not politicians, in both parties. We should pull together as a nation on this one and quit pointing fingers. We owe it to our way of life here.

    MartyMan,

    Yes, you don’t see many contacting the elected officials. Most don’t even know who their senators and representatives are ( it’s really easy to determine at issues2000.org ).

    Hence, the term: slumbering voters .

    We are suffering the consequences of a badly designed system, that fails to educate and emphasize the all important human factor. Thus, corruption grows, as always, without sufficient understanding of the fundamentals.

    By the time slumbering voters wake up, it will be just in time to witness the final transfer of their assets to everyone else, and they finally realize we really can’t all live at the expense of everyone else. It will be too late. And, when they are all bankrupted, the pain and misery will escalate too for all those that were sucking them dry. And, perhaps that is as it should be? Pain and misery is a good teacher. Too bad history has to repeat itself so often before humans finally learn from it.

    Posted by: d.a.n at April 19, 2006 10:18 AM
    Comment #141704

    D.A.N.
    I can’t say that totally say that I agree with you if you are saying that our government is the system. It is not perfect by no means but, it is the best there is on this planet anyway. I will agree that over the years politicians not leaders have altered it from what it started out as, and for other reasons than the good of the country. The sad part is is that we the american public is, and are letting them do it. If the American people could organize and set out of work or have one hundred million show up at their capitals and demand the changes you posted, the bill would be passed in one day. For some reason (I wish I could figure out) Americans will not do that.
    Back in the olden golden days folks did not have TV or the internet, their activitys centered around community, school and work and that is what they were passionate about. Today I think people are just to busy and others feel like someone else will take care of the problem, so I can just go sit down and watch my sitcom and everything will be ok. I firmly believe that education starts at home so when we fail there we can not do anything but look in the mirror. Kids will pick up on whats important to their parents will be important to them, like being activly involved in our government. I was writing a letter to my cngressman on this issue when my nie year old daughter ask me what I was doing,when I told her I could see the seriousness in her face she knew it was important and she knew dad was working on it. My opion; for what its worth this kind of thing needs to happen on a large scale. If it did the politicians and the rest of the the world would rediscover what the Japanese military did on Dec. 7, 1941, that had just awoken a sleeping giant!
    I have done everything I can think of to get people to contact their congressmen on this issue, from talking to people and even sending out e-mails with links on it so they can figure out who their officials are and how to contact them. I do not know what else to do. I feel at a loss but do not where else to go. I suppose that is why I am here. Hoping that what you said is not true and everyone reading this will contact their congressmen and tell (make) their friends and families to do the same. If you are right we might as well start looking for some place else to live, because its gone!

    Posted by: MartyMan at April 19, 2006 1:05 PM
    Comment #141739

    MartyMan,
    Very thoughtful remarks.
    Yes, I have a family too.
    My son votes.
    And, I think, for his age, he is less brainwashed, less partisan, and realistic than most his age.
    He recently graduated from college, and he also sees his tax dollars hard at rest.

    I can’t say that totally say that I agree with you if you are saying that our government is the system. It is not perfect by no means but, it is the best there is on this planet anyway.
    Ohhhh…..I don’t know. There are about a dozen other countries (much smaller though) doing a better job, and have a higher quality of life.
    MartyMan wrote: The sad part is is that we the american public is, and are letting them do it. If the American people could organize and set out of work or have one hundred million show up at their capitals and demand the changes you posted, the bill would be passed in one day. For some reason (I wish I could figure out) Americans will not do that.
    Well, I think it is an education problem. Thus, I’m joined VOID, a non-partisan voter education organization. Its goal is merely to educate and remind voters to remember the one simple thing they were supposed to be doing all along. Vote out irresponsible incumbents, always. Keep the good ones. Oust the bad ones. That’s simply how it’s supposed to work. But voters have been distracted with numerous distractions (partisan warfare is their favorite). Thus, nothing gets better … in fact, things get worse. Bought-and-paid-for incumbent politicians don’t care, because they all got theirs and they all have golden parachutes. Voters will suffer most for their own neglect, as perhaps, it should be, if they are to ever, someday, learn from their mistakes?
    MartyMan wrote: Back in the olden golden days folks did not have TV or the internet, their activitys centered around community, school and work and that is what they were passionate about. Today I think people are just to busy and others feel like someone else will take care of the problem, so I can just go sit down and watch my sitcom and everything will be ok.
    Yes, we are suffering through the last steps of a cycle. Unless slumbering voters wake up, they will learn the hard way (again).
    MartyMan wrote: I have done everything I can think of to get people to contact their congressmen on this issue, from talking to people and even sending out e-mails with links on it so they can figure out who their officials are and how to contact them. I do not know what else to do. I feel at a loss but do not where else to go. I suppose that is why I am here.

    MartyMan,
    I know exactly what you’re talkin’ about.
    That’s why I created my web site (click on my handle below), and joined VOID. Nothin’ will happen if I keep doin’ nothin. But, I analyzed the problem for years, and finally decided the only solution was the one simple, common-sense, no-brainer, non-partisan, peaceful, and responsible thing we were always supposed to be doing all along: vote out irresponsible incumbents, always. But, that requires education, because too many people do not understand how one simple human trait must be carefully accounted for in the design of our governments, organizations, and societies. Education leads to an understanding of the proper mix of the other five fundamental components necessary to the health of any society, government, or organization. Education leads to Transparency, which provides visibility and truth, which leads to outrage, and a desire to reduce opportunities for abuse, which leads to Accountability, to identify the transgressors, the desire to halt abuses, and punish the abusers to discourage more abuse, which requires the ever present Power to enforce the law, punish the guilty, and discourage abuse, which all finally yields a degree of Responsibility.

    MartyMan wrote: Hoping that what you said is not true and everyone reading this will contact their congressmen and tell (make) their friends and families to do the same. If you are right we might as well start looking for some place else to live, because its gone!
    MartyMan, We are running out of time, if it is not too late already. I would not wager much on the outcome, but no one knows for certain. Thus, the only logical thing to do is keep trying to Educate and encourage slumbering voters to do their duty, because doing nothing will accomplish nothing. Doing nothing will guarantee our demise. Better to hope, then resign to futility.
  • Posted by: d.a.n at April 19, 2006 3:21 PM
    Comment #141770

    About the treatment of illegal aliens and the hyposcrisy, see http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060418/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/mexico_mistreating_migrants;_ylt=AvzAyQ0WRHcsUTm.SVIWiR5vaA8F;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA—
    this link

    quote textquote text . President Vicente Fox can see what is going on in his back yard.

    Posted by: keith at April 19, 2006 5:09 PM
    Comment #141792

    Dagnabit d.a.n.! You were takin’ a beating when the marine landed, but I kept reading and you handled yourself with grace and humor as usual.
    Bravo!

    I too wish the American People weren’t so complacent. Just today at work I realized I am the only person who will draw attention to little dumb things that are an inconvience. Others will accomodate the flaw and think nothing of it. If complacent we are that much more resilient.

    What gets the American People to stand up and listen is the sudden shock. That also goes for the elected officials. They respond very well to shock therapy.

    I found that putting a specific issue forward by submitting it to the local newspaper Letter to the Editor a very effective form of shock therapy. If it is a local issue. If it is a national issue the reader’s wheel finger is twitching.

    I hear the American People saying “There’s nothin’ you can do about it.” No exclamation point!, No question mark?. I only hear “There’s nothin’ you can do about it.” period.

    That’s why we don’t vote. That’s why we accomodate a flaw instead of eliminating it. We have no reason to buck the system and find solace in the ability to accomodate the problem at hand.

    The problem didn’t go away. But were doing a little more work to make sure the problem doesn’t show.

    Shock Therapy:

    The American People feel very well when they have a pocket full of money. “Got my change in my pocket goin’ jinglingling.”
    Politicans feel very well now.

    Repeal the 16th ammendment.


    Posted by: Weary Willie at April 19, 2006 7:23 PM
    Comment #141804

    Time Check!

    Posted by: Weary Willie at April 19, 2006 8:18 PM
    Comment #141805

    7:18 on my computer 8:18 on here.

    Forgive me. I’m trying to find the benifits of this daylight saveings time thing. Du!

    Posted by: Weary Willie at April 19, 2006 8:20 PM
    Comment #141806

    Dagnabit!
    I love this job.

    Posted by: Weary Willie at April 19, 2006 8:26 PM
    Comment #141807

    Same here. 1 hour off here (it’s 7:26 here in Dallas). Maybe it’s the Daylight Savings. I also wish they would leave the time along. How does saving light save money? : )

    Posted by: d.a.n at April 19, 2006 8:38 PM
    Comment #141815
    Weary Willie wrote: That’s why we don’t vote. That’s why we accomodate a flaw instead of eliminating it. We have no reason to buck the system and find solace in the ability to accomodate the problem at hand.

    True.
    Interesting observation.
    It might be rooted in a more fundamental human tendency:

    Most of our problems arise from the lack of understanding and accounting for that one thing. The health of any government, organization, and society requires the Education (understanding) to achieve the right balance of Power, Transparency, and Accountability, to yield Responsibility. The wrong mix yields Corruption.

    Posted by: d.a.n at April 19, 2006 8:58 PM
    Comment #141828

    You need shock.

    Posted by: Weary Willie at April 19, 2006 9:35 PM
    Comment #141833

    End the reign of the 16th ammendment. Put all of the money, I MEAN ALL OF THE MONEY TAKEN VIA THE 16TH AMMENDMENT back into the pockets of the person who is doing the work.

    Posted by: Weary Willie at April 19, 2006 9:47 PM
    Comment #141836

    d.a.n. Sorry I forgot out elected officials swore to uphold the constituon and now they want to pass laws that side step their sworn duty. It seems to me that anyone voting to give an illegal alien legal status should be removed from office for failing to uphold their sworn duty

    Posted by: DS at April 19, 2006 9:50 PM
    Comment #141838

    Hi Everyone,
    On a positive note there are a lot of groups forming to act against this one particular problem, and I notice that there are a lot of young people getting involved. If enough young people start getting involved in it, and it becomes an issue for them that will help. You see the kids rallying outside of their schools carring the American flags when some Pin Head tells them they can’t, that fires people up.
    There needs to be some way to get all of these groups that are forming together and form atleast some sort of alliance and work together on the same action plans(There is strength in numbers). Any Ideas on how to achieve this? Surely if a bunch of Illeagals can figure out how to do it we can.

    Posted by: MartyMan at April 19, 2006 9:52 PM
    Comment #141852
    Weary Willie wrote: It may be hopelessness, not laziness.
    Yeah…that too. But is it lazy to succumb? We don’t know the future, but doing nothing will solve nothing. So, it’s only logical to keep trying to make it better. But, there may come a time when other countries start looking attractive. I know a couple and their family that are moving to Canada next month.
    DS wrote: It seems to me that anyone voting to give an illegal alien legal status should be removed from office for failing to uphold their sworn duty.
    I could not agree more.
    MartyMan wrote: If enough young people start getting involved in it, and it becomes an issue for them that will help. You see the kids rallying outside of their schools carring the American flags when some Pin Head tells them they can’t, that fires people up.

    Good observation.

    Illegal aliens seem more capable of organizing than American voters. Sad.

    That could be why American voters keep getting used and abused? The keep bending over …

    It is sad, since American voters have one simple, common sense thing right there under their very nose that they should have been doing all along.

    It does not even require a lot of organization.
    It does not even require a party.
    It does not even require a lot of money.
    It does not even require a lot of thinking.
    It does not even require anything unpeaceful.
    It does not even require protest marches.
    It does not even require a lot of thought.
    All it requires is that we vote out irresponsible incumbents, always.
    Keep the good ones (if you can find any).

    Here’s something every voter should do:
    STEP 1:
    Check your Senators’ and Representative’s voting records:

    • Go to: Issues2000.org

    • Click on your state

    • Click on each your Senator

    • Look at their voting record.

    • search for: soft money

    • search for: Congressional gifts

    • search for: campaign donations

    • search for: campaign finance

    • search for: prioritizing national debt

    • Now do the same for your Representative.

    STEP 2:

    • Second, go to: Citizens Against Government Waste

    • Click on Reports (on menu bar).

    • Click on Pork Book (on drop down menu).

    • Press Ctrl F, and enter the name of your Representative or Senator: e.g. “Kay Bailey Hutchison”

    • She is one of my Senators (who won’t get my vote when the time comes).
      Here’s the pork-barrel she voted for:
      ____________________________
      $107,433,000 for projects added in the state of Senate TTHUD Appropriations Subcommittee member Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Texas), and the districts of House TTHUD Appropriations Subcommittee member John Culberson (R-Texas), and House appropriators Henry Bonilla (R-Texas), John Carter (R-Texas), Kay Granger (R-Texas), and Chet Edwards (D-Texas), including: $1,000,000 for compressed natural gas buses; $1,000,000 for the University of Texas Flywheel Bus and Truck Program; $500,000 for the Midland County Board of Commissioners Connection; $250,000 for Odessa for the renovation of the Historical Globe Theater (this is really imoportant isn’t it?; and $200,000 for Nacogdoches for renovations to the Fredonia Hotel and Convention Center (these are your tax dollars too).
    • Also, check their attendance records. Many, such as John Conyers, doesn’t even show up much of the time to even vote.


    STEP 3:

    • Open your internet browser.

    • Click on the Search button

    • Enter (capitalize the AND): kay AND bailey AND hutchison AND scandal

    • or: ted AND stevens AND illegal

    • see what turns up … something almost always does.

    ______more__________________
    KAY BAILEY HUTCHISON, the first woman Texas has ever elected to the U.S. Senate, has gone from stardom to scandal in four months. Last week, she was indicted for misconduct in her former job as Texas state treasurer—an indictment she calls a “political witch hunt” by Democrats against a Republican. The issue is not whether her staffers performed political chores while she ran for the Senate—she admits they did—but whether the abuses were flagrant and whether she tried hard to hide them. She now faces the prospect of a trial during a bid for re-election next fall.
    ____________________________
    In 1994 the Dallas Observer’s Miriam Rozen gained access to grand jury documents in the case against Kay Bailey Hutchison. I can’t find the article online, but I managed to find a contemporaneous Texas Monthly article that quotes largely from the piece. The testimony starts with employees, former coworkers and others noting her abusive behavior around the office. She literally threw a book at a subordinate and kept her office in a state of fear while she was Treasurer. These employees testify that when she [KAY BAILEY HUTCHISON] told them to start destroying documents that showed her using state-paid staff, offices and other taxpayer-funded resources for her own political activities, they made copies behind her back (OOOooops).
    But, guess what? KAY BAILEY HUTCHISON got away with it unscathed.
    ____________________________
    Here’s what someone (justifiably) thought of Ted Stevens …
    The man [Sen. Ted Stevens (R-Alaska)] is almost as shameless and narcissistic as shrubya [he means George Bush 43], plays politics every bit as dirty as DeLay and he’s just as much of a bully as either of them. After insisting on his precious bridges to nowhere while areas of Louisiana and Mississippi suffer with Katrina-ravaged highways, he now has the audacity to attach a bill for drilling in the Arctic Refuge on to the must-pass defense spending bill.
    ____________________________

    Do you like your federal tax dollars going for pork-barrel in Texas or Alaska?

    Actually, Texas is 45th from the bottom.

    Alaska and D.C. gets most of the pork-barrel.
    Do a search (i.e. press Ctrl F on Alaska’s Senator: Ted Stevens.
    He’s is the king of pork-barrel (among ohter things):
    ____________________________
    Even though Alaska led the nation with $489 per capita ($325 million), it was less than half of Alaska’s 2005 per capita number of $985. The runners up in 2006 were Hawaii with $378 per capita ($482 million) and the District of Columbia with $182 per capita ($100 million). Alaska’s drop can be attributed to Sen. Ted Stevens’ (R-Alaska) descent from the throne as Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman.
    ____________________________

    STEP 4:

    • Now, start posting things like that (above) on all the blogs you can.
      Believe me, politicians and their hacks are monitoring the blogs.

    • You can still write letters to your Senators and Representatives, but displaying the corruption, the way they vote, and the scandals of those Senators and Representatives all over the internet will get their attention faster than your letter (which probably never even got read and was probably immediately tossed in the garbage).

    • Get the word out about your crooked politicians.
      Help educate your fellow voters.
      Education is the first step.
      I’ve reached a few.
      So can you.

    Just think how interesting this can be if you live in District 50 in California (your Representative is (was) Duke Cunningham:
    ________________________
    Cunningham resigned from the House on November 28, 2005 after pleading guilty to accepting at least $2.4 million in bribes and underreporting his income for 2004. He pleaded guilty to federal charges of conspiracy to commit bribery, mail fraud, wire fraud, and tax evasion. On March 3, 2006, Cunningham was sentenced to eight years and four months in prison and was ordered to pay $1.8 million in restitution.
    ________________________________

    What ever you write will not go unnoticed.

    And, if you want to do even more to help educate and organize voters to stop re-electing irresponsible and corrupt incumbents, then visit: voidnow.org … and give us your ideas for solutions.
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    Posted by: d.a.n at April 19, 2006 11:16 PM
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    D.A.N.
    Thanks for the info, I will check it out.

    Posted by: MartMan at April 19, 2006 11:52 PM
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    D.A.N
    I checked out the site you recommended and I am glad to say that my senator voted just as he said he did in the response he sent from the letter I sent him. So I can say with confidence that my letter was read and responded to. A lot of the older generation are not computer friendly and letters and phone calls are their sword so to speak, so one should not be to quick to discount those methods.
    The electronic area seems to be your domain and is an incredibly powerful tool availible to us. So keep on hammering away at them!
    Faces on the six o’clock news are probably the bigest attention getter for getting noticed. We need to hammer the message home in every way possible.

    Posted by: MartyMan at April 20, 2006 4:56 AM
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    MartyMan wrote: The electronic area seems to be your domain and is an incredibly powerful tool availible to us. So keep on hammering away at them!
    Ahhh….very good point. We need all methods. I often forget.
    Faces on the six o’clock news are probably the bigest attention getter for getting noticed. We need to hammer the message home in every way possible.
    Yes, television is the best. Our President, David R. Remer was on C-Span for 1 minute and that generated a massive response and traffic at our web-site. No doubt about it.

    My father writes letters to the Fort Worth Star Telegram, and many of them get published. I may be prejudiced, but they are very well written, which may be why the editor publishes them.

    By the way, I write hundreds of letters to my Senators and Representatives annually (even those of different states and districts, and sometimes, all 100 senators). I get form letters back usually with a request for donations. Fat chance of that (anymore).

    It never seems they read it.
    It just seems like another opportunity to dun someone for money.

    Yes, we’ve got to keep hammering them, on all fronts.

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    Posted by: d.a.n at April 20, 2006 10:04 AM
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