Generous Rich Americans

We Americans give away1.85% of our GNP. This is the highest percentage in the world and we have the world’s biggest GNP. Bill Gates alone has given away $31 billion (and he is not done yet), but in the yearly total he was overtaken last year as top annual giver by Intel co-founder Gordon Moore. The business of giving is changing and growing.

John D. Rockefeller "invented" the modern idea of philanthropy. Even in his days of poverty, Rockefeller always made charity a priority, but eventually he made so much money that he could no longer adequately give it away to worthy recipients. So he set up a foundation to do the job and organized it like a business. The new philanthropy was different from traditional charity in that it sought solutions to problems, not simply to alleviate symptoms, sort of the teach a man to fish scenario.

Entrepreneurs and more and more are using their organizational skills as well as their cash to achieve charitable goals. This will inevitably create backlash. Not only do we face the general problem that people often resent those from whom they receive charity, but the business like approach will make "charity" more political. If Bill Gates chooses to deploy his billions to address tropical disease instead of bulding a hospital in Washington State, his decisions will make friends and enemies. And this is not even much of a political question. Many of the new social entrepreneurs are making overt political choices.

The most famous case of this is George Soros. Soros with his Soros and Batory Foundations did the Lord’s work in newly democratic counties, outspending even the U.S. Government in some democracy programs. Many people were less enthusiastic when he turned his millions against the American president, but whether you support his choice or not, it is clearly political and will cause trouble all around.

Such dilemmas will become more common and harder to sort out as rich guys get into the giving game with greater fortunes and zeal. Giving money away can be as contraversial as making it.

In one of the threads below, I argued that it didn't matter if someone was motivated to "save the world" or just make money if the world was "saved" in the bargain. I also believe that interest is a more reliable predictor of behavior than idealism, which tends to be situational. Of course, "interest" doesn't mean only money and anyway the new philanthropy combines both. The challenge for the ambitious man or woman of yesterday was making money. The challenge of tomorrow might be spending it combining their wealth & philanthropy.

Posted by Jack at March 3, 2006 11:48 PM
Comments
Comment #131285

I don’t see how anyone spends their money is the business of anyine but the person spending it.
If a rich guy want’s to give $10,000,000 to one charity and nothing to another, that’s his priviledge. It’s his money, not someone elses.
But there are those that think that if someone has money they should give it only the folks that they think are worthy of it. Not who the person with the money thinks is.
Most of this is cause by jelousy. Folks have a tendecy to resent those that have more than them. It’s human nature.

Posted by: Ron Brown at March 4, 2006 10:03 AM
Comment #131289

In any case I hope this ends the liberal extremist talk “We don’t don’t anything for the world! We’re horrible!! Arghh Arghhh Arghhhh!!”

My old college roommate is a plastic surgeon in California and yes, he makes A LOT of money. But he has also lost hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of dollars traveling to the most despotic areas all over the world with a group performing cleft lip surgeries, fixing burn patients who had yet to receive any treatment at all, and many other types of surgeries …and doing so on every continent except for Antartica. Even the military in Iraq, the majority of who could be making twice their salary in the civilian world, they’re not murdering Iraqis as the far left would like you to think, they’re there trying to manifest some sort of stability during a drastic (BUT MUCH IMPROVED) change in their gov’t. That should be considered philanthropy as well.

So while Howard Dean and other bullshit artists want to yelp “Rich people suck! We suck! Everyone sucks!” …

I think, as we look ahead as to what we can do next, we should be very proud of our country and its philanthropy to the world. Anything else is SELF-LOATHING American garbage and I’ll call people on it every time I hear it.

Posted by: Ken Cooper at March 4, 2006 10:50 AM
Comment #131296

Jack:

How can you compliment Bill Gates on giving money away. The guy has more money than God, so even if he gives some of it away, he’s still filthy rich. And on top of that, he’s just doing it to get tax breaks and media coverage. His image needed a cleansing so he gave the money away to buy good press. Its dirty money anyway because Microsoft is a monopoly that forces people to buy from them with ruthless business practices. They are the Walmart of the computer business.

DRUM ROLL PLEASE…….I have successfully, without collapsing in a fit of laughter, summed up the leftist viewpoint of any rich person giving away charitable money, unless of course that person is from Hollywood, which seems to erase all sins.

Posted by: joebagodonuts at March 4, 2006 11:59 AM
Comment #131298

Joe

You are right.

One of the biggest character flaws a person can have is the inability to feel grateful. I poisons a person’s character. But some people try to make it a virtue.

Posted by: Jack at March 4, 2006 12:21 PM
Comment #131323

Joe,

Microsoft and Wal-Mart are horrible?

So you’re saying if they went out of business tomorrow you would not complain or quote statistics about the rising deficit (reduced revenues), higher unemployment rate, or the extra hundreds of thousands of people without health care?

The “Corporations are evil” nonsense is growing old, especially since they support many of the things liberals are supposedly for such as a steady job, health care, higher tax revenues, etc.

Posted by: Ken Cooper at March 4, 2006 6:11 PM
Comment #131332

I’ve got relatives that work at Wal-Mart. I can’t speak for Microsoft but employment is about all one gets at Wal-Mart. It does help the overall government numbers but if one calls employment at Wal-Mart good employment (at least for 80% of their employees) they may need to submit an application.

I live in Tennessee. Four out of four of my relatives that work at Wal-Mart are on our state-funded healthcare system (TENNCARE). Why? Because they qualify for it….which is not easy to do anymore in this state. That’s a shame….but that’s Wal-Mart and that’s what has our “unemployment” numbers down. Underemployed many of these folks are…unemployed they are not. However, I will say this; All of these underemployed, state reliant relatives are very generous with their money. I bet on a percentage basis they give more to charity and religous organizations than any of these damn wealthy individuals mentioned so far.

Posted by: Tom L at March 4, 2006 8:07 PM
Comment #131335

We make lots of judgments about data. Sometimes a percentage makes more sense; sometimes the actual value is more important. Personally, I would rather receive 1% of Bill Gates’ money than 100% of mine.

As far as I know, BTW, employees are Microsoft make pretty good money.

Posted by: Jack at March 4, 2006 8:28 PM
Comment #131337

tom L. it is because it comes from their heart tom. and when it comes from the heart that makes it better. just like when you earn something by working, you appreciate it and tend to take better care of it. this country gives more from the heart than the rest of the world combined.

Posted by: rodney brown at March 4, 2006 8:48 PM
Comment #131351

Joe, you said “How can you compliment Bill Gates on giving money away. The guy has more money than God, so even if he gives some of it away, he’s still filthy rich. And on top of that, he’s just doing it to get tax breaks and media coverage. His image needed a cleansing so he gave the money away to buy good press. Its dirty money anyway because Microsoft is a monopoly that forces people to buy from them with ruthless business practices. They are the Walmart of the computer business.”
All,
Now that I’ve stepped aside from this forum for a few days to concentrate on campaigning to get a new Governor into this wonderful state…I’ll put my own 2 cents worth in here again, and hope to avoid anymore “personal attacks”…*grins*

Joe,

So are you saying that if Bill Gates walked up to you tomorrow and offered to give you $100,000 to “fix up your house” or whatever, that you wouldn’t take it because you think it’s “dirty money”? And while I, at times, agree that the U.S. “gives” away too much money, I don’t think it’s necessarily “wrong” of us to do so.

I like what you’re saying here, but I can’t agree with you on this one.

Where do you think Wal-Mart, Microsoft, McDonnell-Douglass, Harley-Davidson, McDonalds, etc. all started? I don’t think anyone just waved a magic wand and wished them to be. So, if Microsoft is a monopoly because you have to buy everything Microsoft, then is Harley-Davidson a monopoly because you have to buy the repair manual from them? Or how about the big 3, or John Deere? I don’t think that’s monopolization, or “dirty”, I, personally, call it “good business”.

Posted by: Tanya at March 4, 2006 11:28 PM
Comment #131352

Rodney said: “when it comes from the heart that makes it better. just like when you earn something by working, you appreciate it and tend to take better care of it. this country gives more from the heart than the rest of the world combined.”

I completely agree with this statement-and in addition, it’s also a little thing called “pride”, in which, I’m afraid, sadly, many Americans have seemed to have forgotten…I don’t care which way they lean…

Posted by: Tanya at March 4, 2006 11:30 PM
Comment #131369

not trying to start a third world war, just was wondering, why warren buffet called by many the woodstock capitalist, only has giving a measley 7% of his net worth over his lifetime (he says it will all go when he dies) we all know of his support for john kerry in 2004.why is ok for him to be a MISER with a estimated 42 billion dollars? he lives frugal he seems not to indulge in excess,he lives in the same house since 1957, sounds like a damm capitalist pig cheapskate hiding in his room counting his money conservative republican ass. WRONG! he is a democrat. so that makes it OK! now i will run for my bomb shelter!

Posted by: rodney brown at March 5, 2006 2:20 AM
Comment #131373

LOL Rodney! The same could be said for Kerry, or rather, his wife-they’re not exactly at poverty level *grins* (And to humor the left-neither is Bush, OR Clinton for that matter) Again, I don’t think that just because a person is “rich” means that they necessarily HAVE to donate to charity, just as those that are “poor” doesnt mean they HAVE to collect welfare. I suppose its just a personal choice, that those on the opposite end of the spectrum will never understand. I’m just about as broke as one can get, but I have a couple of causes that I donate to, as much as I can-the Nat’l Cancer Institute, Relay for Life and a few others I shall not name as a means to avoid more mud slinging LOL. I’m also putting money into a Roth IRA and Cash Management Account with Merrill Lynch-if other people would partake in such financial activities, they might become part of that aforementioned “rich” class, yet another personal choice.

No need to head for the shelter, I’m right there beside ya on this one! We can dish it right back, together! heh! =)

Posted by: Tanya at March 5, 2006 3:05 AM
Comment #131392

None of us has the right to dictate that someone MUST give away his money. Giving to charity may or may not be virtuous. Itdepends on the circumstances.

For ordinary people, just taking care of themselves is probably the best form of charity. Consider two people who have similar incomes. Over their lifetimes one guy gives a total of $25,000 to charity; they other guys gives nothing. But the second guy saves and invests his money so that he can send his four kids through college without financial aid and can pay for his own retirement and nursing home care without welfare. The other guy needed financial aid and welfare at the end of his life. Guy one “gave” $25,000 to society, but then took hundreds of thousands from society. The other guy took care of himself.

You can’t be generous with someone else’s money, and that is what this guy was doing.

I personally think people should give time and money to charity because it is good for their souls. But from the society perspective we can really only judge their “footprint”, i.e. are they a net contributor or a net recipient.

Buffet is a good man whose investments and skills are making our country better off. It is his business if he wants to give it away or not. Most rich guys do. If he doesn’t …

Posted by: Jack at March 5, 2006 10:25 AM
Comment #131395

Ron,
It’s not just jealously, but an attitude by those on the left, and some who claim to be on the right regrettebly, of moral superiority. The believe that only THEY can correctly determine the proper way to spend other people’s money. After of course THEY determine how much of other people’s money should be forcibly confiscated. If they feel this way regarding taxes, they certainly feel this way regarding charitible spending. Nothing soothes a poor self image better than a good dose of moral superiority. If it happens to ruin the country, that’s a small price to pay.

Posted by: David C. at March 5, 2006 10:46 AM
Comment #131405

I’m not 100% sure, but I think Joe was making a satire about how the left talks about people who give away money. Give him a break. As far as Wal-Mart goes, if it’s such a horrendous place to work, who is holding a gun to these people’s heads and forcing them to work there? If you don’t like the benefits, tell them to TAKE THIS JOB AND SHOVE IT. My guess is that the benefits the employees do get outweigh the ones they don’t.

Posted by: Duano at March 5, 2006 12:46 PM
Comment #131406

David C.,

Right on, couldn’t have said it better.

Posted by: Duano at March 5, 2006 12:48 PM
Comment #131412

dave c good post! by the way rodney was using a little satire, like the pot calling the kettle black!

Posted by: rodney brown at March 5, 2006 1:52 PM
Comment #131427

Excellent points Dave and Duane!

other peoples money is just that…OTHER peoples money, and nobody has the right to tell anyone what to do with their money-point blank.

As far as Wal-Mart goes, right on! If you don’t like your job, quit! That’s why Wal-Mart is an “at will” employer.

Posted by: Tanya at March 5, 2006 3:07 PM
Comment #131486

Duano,

As far as Wal-Mart goes, if it’s such a horrendous place to work, who is holding a gun to these people’s heads and forcing them to work there? If you don’t like the benefits, tell them to TAKE THIS JOB AND SHOVE IT. My guess is that the benefits the employees do get outweigh the ones they don’t.

It is apparent that you live in a large enough town that can support it’s poorer citizens. I don’t. Wal-Mart, which I tend to boycott because of its’ treatment of it’s emloyees, (I know that doesn’t help the workers much, but at least the company doesn’t get my money to support it’s owners not the employees.)

Wal-Mart is one of the few places a high school graduate can actually find to work in our small town. They’ve managed to run one grocery store out of business, the local dress shops are closing right and left, even 2 of our drug stores have closed.

We have a population of 6,300 people. Wal-Mart managed to build out of the city limits and thus did not have to face the city counsel and convinced the county that they would provide jobs - which of course they did, after fixing it so other positions were closed out.

As you can tell, I am not a Wal-Mart supporter, However, without them NOW there would be no jobs.

They are a “Damned if you do and damned if you don’t” company.


Posted by: Linda H. at March 5, 2006 11:22 PM
Comment #131492

Tom L
If Wal-mart wasn’t there where would your relitives work? And where is the law that says employers have to provide health care to their employees?
It’s might be good practice to provide health care. But it’s not mandatory. I know yaall liberals think it should be. But that’s where your wrong. Companies ARENOT welfare organizations.
Besides what does weather Wal-mart provides health care or not have to do with son\me rich guy giving his money away?

Posted by: Ron Brown at March 5, 2006 11:52 PM
Comment #131494

I completely agree with this statement-and in addition, it’s also a little thing called “pride”, in which, I’m afraid, sadly, many Americans have seemed to have forgotten…I don’t care which way they lean…

Posted by: Tanya at March 4, 2006 11:30 PM

Aint that the sad truth.

Posted by: Ron Brown at March 5, 2006 11:56 PM
Comment #131501

sounds like a damm capitalist pig cheapskate hiding in his room counting his money conservative republican ass. WRONG! he is a democrat. so that makes it OK! now i will run for my bomb shelter!

Posted by: rodney brown at March 5, 2006 02:20 AM

I’m right behind you.

I’m not super rich although I’ve made some money from the businesses I own. I personally don’t give money to most charitable organizations. The Salvation Army is the only one really. But I do try to help those in my local area if I hear of a need. But I also require the folks I’m going to help to be trying to help themselves. I believe in the old saying that charity begins at home.

Posted by: Ron Brown at March 6, 2006 12:11 AM
Comment #131505

I sort of got off track when I read Duano’s post about Wal-Mart.

As far as rich people giving money to help poorer people, I for one think it is admirable. However, I don’t see the correlation between being rich and being a Republican.

I know several wealthy people who are both Republicans and Democrats. What one does with one’s money should be their own decision - just as their party choice is theirs alone.

I have no real idea what party the majority of our wealthy citizens belong to - and frankly it’s none of mine or anyone else’s business. I am not influenced by what Bill Gates or Buffet do with their money - (although sometimes I do wish they’d donate to me!)

When we start attacking\ discussing people who support the needs of other people, my first question what is wrong with us? How can anyone be upset or even think of dragging these people into a discussion?

I agree that needing to accept charity is a sad position to be in, and is sometimes mis-used, but fortune the givers continually to give.
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Posted by: Linda H. at March 6, 2006 12:41 AM
Comment #131567

Linda
Your right, it is none of our business what anyone does with their money.

Posted by: Ron Brown at March 6, 2006 11:07 AM
Comment #131618

You right wingers are so dilutional and silly it makes me sick the greedy trying to look generous. All the money, all the power, all the tax breaks, and strong arms all the time. You may pull the wool over most the populations eyes but not all of us are so easily blinded by your bribes and bitching.

Why do you care where Bill Gates money goes it sounds like you have enough of your own. I think you are just griping because you are too greedy to give your money away but are trying to convince yourself in some twisted way that there is a good reason for it. You know what I say (a 23 year old nine to fiver living pay check to pay check dreaming some day of being able to afford my own little hut somewhere and having some social security left for my retirement…

Take all of you theiving lying scandalous money taken from the poor and given to the rich and shove it right up behind that stick you have managed to keep wedged in there all these years.

And just so you know I will not be looking at this site again so your venemous rebuttal will go with out any aknowledgement on my part!

Posted by: Lauren at March 6, 2006 1:48 PM
Comment #131630

“And just so you know I will not be looking at this site again “

Well I guess she told us! I’m sure you all will agree with me that she’ll be sadly missed *rolls eyes*

Now I must get back to counting all that money I have from being such a greedy Republican….;-)~

Posted by: Tanya at March 6, 2006 2:22 PM
Comment #131689

lauren, great speech, was there a reason for the i am 23 what’s that suppose to mean,my first house was at 27 my dad did not buy it he could have shit he could have bought me four houses, my parents instilled pride and hard work ethic in to me, buy the way my dad and mom were big time democrats,so was he a ass because he had money .jeez why all the hatred for someone that has a different idology than you by the way i am a moderate.

Posted by: rodney brown at March 6, 2006 5:40 PM
Comment #131703

lauren. i hear hillary is looking for PR.people i hear the pay is great, and all you have to do is turn that little head of yours and say it’s a right wing conspicery!

Posted by: rodney brown at March 6, 2006 6:48 PM
Comment #131758

“Wal-Mart is one of the few places a high school graduate can actually find to work in our small town. They’ve managed to run one grocery store out of business, the local dress shops are closing right and left, even 2 of our drug stores have closed.”

Really? So what’s the problem? Were your grocery stores, dress shops, and drug stores ever a wise career move for anyone other than a pharmacist? I doubt it!

The town I grew up in has a local Ace hardware. My family used to shop there all the time, until Wal-Mart arrived. I’ll still shop there on occassion when I need something quick and don’t want to drive the short distance to Wal-Mart. However, I like my money in my pocket rather than someone elses. That’s whay I shop Wal-Mart and save AT LEAST 20% off my hardware purchses. I can’t believe how expensive ACE is. Want to know what the funny part is? 20 years ago (before Wal-Mart arrived) till the present, this ACE store has employed almost entirely high school students and recent grads. It was never a career choice! If it closed up today, no important jobs are lost. These kids can go work at Wal-Mart. They’d make the same amount of money (possibly more), yet have more purchasing power with Wal-Marts low prices.

These liberals are so concerned with the distribution of wealth, yet they can’t appreciate a good distribution system when they see it. Wal-Mart is successful and keeps it’s prices low because it has mastered the distribution system.

Posted by: Al at March 6, 2006 11:11 PM
Comment #132047

Shame the US goverment is so poor at giving away money and owes the UN millions because it doesn’t agree with it stance over Israel and the Occupied territories.

Posted by: Mat at March 8, 2006 7:28 AM
Comment #132270

right make it political issue. the real issue is simply economics the us position is why should they pay 35% of the tab that is all. there is some big players these days like the EU and china and arab and other countries that are not paying there fair share .also the us has forgiving most of the debt of most of the wars those folks where in and we came to there rescue and rebuilt there countries and spent trillions of todays money on. ie we ate it. the us position is that they should pay about 25% of there budget

Posted by: RODNEY BROWN at March 8, 2006 8:45 PM
Comment #133802

sorry this is a old post’ but al said march 6 2006, (wallmart keeps it’s prices low because it has mastered the distribution system) one would hope so with 3,700 stores in the us. and 1.3 million workers. by the way 60% of there workers work part time and recieve no health insurance, which requires the workers to go on goverment assitance. the old saying you get what you pay for, the quality of most of there products is substandard. another old saying the more the competition the better the price and product, wrong with there robber barron ways there is no competition, they (wallmart has killed out the competition.)but dont fret GOOD NEWS now that sears has bought out K MART i can go to any K MART now and get sears quality, and they pay benefits to there workers! so remember if you have a K MART in your city or town please shop there they pay there workers better and you get the way better sears quality. and sears stock is up! i like that i have sears stock !!! i will gladly pay 6% more to shop at K MART.

Posted by: RODNEY BROWN at March 16, 2006 1:00 AM
Comment #135760

Good luck checking out of Kmart with your Sears products when there’s only 2 lines open.

Posted by: Al Wilson at March 24, 2006 11:46 PM
Comment #136036

NOT A PROBLEM AL. PLENTY OF HELP WHERE I LIVE BUT THANK YOU FOR THE CONCERN . GUESS YOU COULD SHOP AT WALL MART IF IT IS A PROBLEM FOR YOU

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Comment #160988

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Comment #183411

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Comment #190403

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Comment #199749

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Comment #200389

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Comment #209269

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Comment #209270

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Comment #226861

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Comment #230239

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Comment #251631

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