Hysterical Sources

Not really. That is just my attention getter, since you all seemed so interested in titles that include the H word. I am starting a weekly think tank survey. It will be balanced as I am, but you will recall that I am so old and confused that sometimes my right hand doesn’t know what my far right hand is doing. And it will be eclectic.

Society
Family Ties Tighten

Society
Youth & War

Climate Change
Climate of Uncertainty

Economic Growth
Make the Dividend and Capital Gains Tax Rates Permanent to Keep the Economy Growing

Economic Freedom
2006 Index of International Freedom

Election Reform
Election Reform Project

Energy
Two Visions of Energy in the Americas

Foreign Policy
Foreign Policy Immaculately Conceived

Health Care/Race
Biased Doctors

Iraq War
War in Iraq versus Containment

News Quiz

Ports Controversy
Security and the Sale of Port Facilities: Facts and Recommendations

Pro America
What’s Great About America

Spying
It’s No Secret: the CIA Plays Politics

Spying
Majority of U.S. Adults Feel President is Justified in Authorizing Wiretaps without Court Approval to Monitor Suspected Terrorists

Posted by Jack at February 23, 2006 8:03 PM
Comments
Comment #128973

I would just like to say that we cannot leave Iraq until all the Al Queda Terrorists have been killed. We must stay regardless of the cost in money and lives. We cannot allow Bin Ladin win in Iraq or we risk our standing in the world.

That being said, I would also add that Iraq is a Rebublican War and only Republicans should go there.

Fat Chance Jack would post his name and email below this thread.

Posted by: Aldous at February 23, 2006 8:48 PM
Comment #128977

Aldous

You just cut and paste the same stuff no matter the subject, don’t you?

Posted by: Jack at February 23, 2006 8:59 PM
Comment #128992

Jack,
One quick one! Energy, your opinions did not include an Energy Free Society. As this move by the Powers-that-Be would be wise considering the Market would have a great increase in Money. And that is an investment that can be taken advantage of now by cutting off Federal Buildings from the power grid. That single move is a direct $200 Billion dollar plus savings in Tax Expenses vs, the Tax Cuts still wanted by the Republican Party. Therefore, the interest rate will raise and thus the Bear wins the race again.

Posted by: Henry Schlatman at February 23, 2006 9:35 PM
Comment #129014

“It’s the economy stupid!” Great campaign slogan. And there have been several over the years.

“I Like Ike”

“The great Unifier”, you know, things like that.

I can just hear the wheels turning right now…how much has the RNC paid you to start overusing the word HYSTERIA while writing down Democrats for this coming November? You don’t suppose this chase, by the right, to introduce the FEAR factor into the campaign has anything to do with it? Shouldn’t this be a ‘paid political’ site?

How long have you been on the RNC payroll, Jack?

That’s not a hypothetical OR hysterical question…just an inquisitive mind that wants to know.

Posted by: Marysdude at February 23, 2006 10:54 PM
Comment #129024

Aldous,
“I would just like to say that we cannot leave Iraq until all the Al Queda Terrorists have been killed. We must stay regardless of the cost in money and lives. We cannot allow Bin Ladin win in Iraq or we risk our standing in the world.”

Finally, a well thought out opinion on your part; no partisanship or facetiousness to it at all. Then:

“That being said, I would also add that Iraq is a Rebublican War and only Republicans should go there. Fat Chance Jack would post his name and email below this thread.”

Oh well, just have to enjoy it while it lasted. We wouldn’t of recognized you if you didn’t finish your post off with a comment like that.

Posted by: rahdigly at February 23, 2006 11:32 PM
Comment #129025

MarysDude,

“You don’t suppose this chase, by the right, to introduce the FEAR factor into the campaign has anything to do with it?”

Why would the right need to introduce a fear factor?

They’ve already got most of America at a sphincter factor of 9.5.

Posted by: Rocky at February 23, 2006 11:32 PM
Comment #129041
That same antiwar agenda led to dire and incorrect postwar scenarios. There were, for example, inaccurate warnings…that the country would erupt into civil war or dissolve altogether or both. In a now infamous National Intelligence Council report probably written by Pillar in 2003 (and leaked in time for the 2004 presidential debates), there were predictions that oil fields would be taken over by Kurdish and Shiite factions. Even in his ballyhooed Foreign Affairs piece, Pillar reiterates the ridiculous and premature assertion that Iraq will have no value as a “democratic exemplar.”

Jack,

these predictions may have been premature, but at this point, they might also be considered prescient.

Entertaining links, at least the ones I read. Amusing too.

Posted by: CPAdams at February 24, 2006 12:23 AM
Comment #129045

>>Why would the right need to introduce a fear factor?

They’ve already got most of America at a sphincter factor of 9.5.

Posted by: Rocky at February 23, 2006 11:32 PM

You are right (correct), ‘introduce’ was a poor choice of words. We can only hope America wakes up, or another eight wasted years looms ahead…

Ten trillion debt by the time Dubbya leaves office…ten more after eight years of whomever…China will own us lock stock and barrel.

The pissants that Cheney/Bush scared to death will look around, wondering what went wrong. Jack and the toots that foisted all tis puke on us will chortle right into the poor house. The ultra-rich have the whole world to cherry-pick…they won’t need Jack’s help anymore.

Posted by: Marysdude at February 24, 2006 12:29 AM
Comment #129050

Mary,
“The pissants that Cheney/Bush scared to death will look around, wondering what went wrong. Jack and the toots that foisted all tis puke on us will chortle right into the poor house.”


Those “pissants” will keep Hillary and/or Gore out of office in the next 8 years; keeping those two idiots out of office will certainly keep us safe. Bet on that…

Posted by: rahdigly at February 24, 2006 12:36 AM
Comment #129053

>>keeping those two idiots out of office will certainly keep us safe. Bet on that…

Posted by: rahdigly at February 24, 2006 12:36 AM

rah,

I sure hope Cheney/Bush hasn’t duped you into thinking he’s somehow been keeping you safe…hoo, hoo, hoo…have I got a DEAL for you…

Posted by: Marysdude at February 24, 2006 12:43 AM
Comment #129056

rahdigly:

I see no inconsistency in my post earlier. Leaving Iraq in any condition other than peace and stability would endanger the US ten times over.

That being said, I am unwilling to let any Liberal such as myself fight in an idiotic war. It is therefore up to Conservatives to make Iraq into a Democracy regardless of cost.

Posted by: Aldous at February 24, 2006 12:58 AM
Comment #129065

Aldous,
How can the Republicans teach the Iraq people Right from Wrong when it seems that their Leadership is always on the wrong side of public opinion?

Posted by: Henry Schlatman at February 24, 2006 1:34 AM
Comment #129077

re: Jack’s obsession with the word Hysterical

I just assumed you were a really obsessive Def Leppard fan.

Posted by: esimonson at February 24, 2006 2:56 AM
Comment #129080

I use 4 gallons of gas every day traveling to and from work. The cost hovers between 9

and 10 dollars each day. I use maybe 1 gallon on the weekend.
GWB addressed this situation in his State of the Onion address. I have a good chance of

still being alive in 25 years so I expect to see my situation resolved.

Are any of you talking about the goal or are you talking about the symptoms of not

achieving that goal?

I stop at the local stopandgo every day to buy my 4 gallons. I see the same people. They

are doing the same thing, going to work. They all have different things to do but they all

have the same thing in common. They are going to work.
I have a state road I start on from the stopandgo. I go north for 6 miles. I go east on an

interstate for 17 miles then again north and east for a grand total of 71 miles, round trip. 71 /

4 = about 17 mpg. I need a tune up.

Will a tune up solve my problem? I doubt it.

I’d like to have a lighter car but the heavy stuff will just blow me off the road. I’d be able to

fly to work if I had a 4 wheel-10 speed bike on a railroad track.
Wouldn’t you?

I’d bet I could.

Maybe our first step would be to allow alternate powered vehicles the same access fossil

fuel vehicles are allowed. If someone can get a 4 wheeled-10 speed bike to go 60 mph

then he should be able to use any road. Agreed?

Why are we bickering about things that are happening at this moment when we should be

creating things that eliminate our problems.

Like the 4 wheeled 10 speed bike that goes 60 mph.

I have proposed the 4 wheel 10 speed bike that will move at 60 mph. That is a tangible

goal. Any in favor, say “Yes!”.

Posted by: Weary Willie at February 24, 2006 4:14 AM
Comment #129101

JACK,

We Dems are being hysterical? Why is that because we notice inconsistencies and shortcomings within policies and we don’t follow Bush’s B.S. without question—we didn’t even follow Clinton’s B.S. without question actually. YES, so questioning the nature of any party’s policy is tantamount to hysteria—Yer’ a smart one Jack and certainly choose your words oh so wisely none moreso than calling fair questions “hysterics”. Yes Jack we don’t play ‘Daddy Knows Best’ with any administration, true and know when we are being Bull-sh*tted—that bothers you that maybe you don’t have those faculties, I presume?

Posted by: Translator at February 24, 2006 7:10 AM
Comment #129104

Actually the more I think about the nature of these smoothed over statements about Bush and his policy decisions makes something quite clarion—you people would actually DO WELL LIVING IN RED CHINA. Really you won’t dare question anything or make a wave to things that you find disagreement with. Mao would have loved you—you are right up their alley. Unfortunately here in the United States it’s still called being oblivious to the blatently obvious.

Name one thing or several things that you find disagreement with Bush about. The rosy glasses have fogged over huh? thought so.

“Hitler rolled in because he’s supposed to—you understand.”

Posted by: Translator at February 24, 2006 7:28 AM
Comment #129105

JACK,

Here give me your impressions on these photos—wait until they come up if you don’t have broadband. I’d love to hear your thoughts.

If this doesn’t take I’ll try again

Posted by: Translator at February 24, 2006 7:52 AM
Comment #129107

BDS is mostly responsible for the hysterics. It renders the sufferers glassy-eyed, frothing at the mouth, mostly howling aat the moon. If one should encounter a BDS sufferer, remain calm. Attempt to comfort the victim. Do not in any circumstance try to reason or debate or present differing opinions—this will only further irritate the victim. There is a danger of actual head explosion.

Posted by: nikkolai at February 24, 2006 8:01 AM
Comment #129108

Translator—Still beating that dead horse, are we? Did you notice the stock in the MSM doing all this stuff is tanking?

Posted by: nikkolai at February 24, 2006 8:03 AM
Comment #129109

Nikki,

BDS?—That’s “Bush is Daftly stupid” right?

Posted by: Translator at February 24, 2006 8:09 AM
Comment #129112

Reasoned people know it for what it is—Bush DERANGEMENT syndrome.

Posted by: nikkolai at February 24, 2006 8:20 AM
Comment #129113

Oh okeedokee, Nik, so Bush is deranged and we get hysterical well that makes sense.

Posted by: Translator at February 24, 2006 8:22 AM
Comment #129115

Look, it’s nothing personal, ok? I am surrounded by BDS sufferers—the lady that cuts my hair, co-workers, my own mother, for cryin’ out loud. I still really like these people. I just quit trying to reason with them. Maybe pick it up again in 2008.

Posted by: nikkolai at February 24, 2006 9:00 AM
Comment #129127

Re Hysterical

I used it on the first two because I thought it made sense. I used it on this one as a joke and didn’t mention either liberals or Democrats in relation to it.

It was also a kind of experiment to see who would bite on the word.

Re RNC payroll. I wish. Right now I have 1 1/2 full time jobs (not counting this writing) and I don’t really need the cash, but I do like to write and the anyone was willing to pay me (well) to write, I would consider it.

Re the photos

Yes. They are very bad. That is why we don’t tolerate such behavior and why we punished those responsible.

A picture is worth a thousand words, but those words may not explain anything. At this point they are meant only to inflame anti-American sentiment. They add no new information to the debate. I am ashamed that Americans did it and ashamed that Americans are passing around the pictures around.

I heard on NPR that the terrorists have tapes where they show Americans being killed or wounded. They pass them around as recruiting tools and for the perverted to get pleasure.


Re this article
I am surprised that so many people bothered to write. It really is just a compilation. It is not meant to be balanced, but you will notice that I have included stuff from Brookings and Pew as well as AEI and Heritage.

I think it just helps to be better informed. If someone wants to do a similar service on the other side, I think that would be good. I will try to do it every Thursday or Friday.

Posted by: Jack at February 24, 2006 9:55 AM
Comment #129132

>>I heard on NPR that the terrorists have tapes where they show Americans being killed or wounded. They pass them around as recruiting tools and for the perverted to get pleasure.

Jack,

Questions:

1. Do folks pass Abu Graibe & Guantanimo pictures around because they are terrorists?

2. Do Islamists pass pictures of dying US military around because they are terrorists?

3. Are pictures informative?

4. When you see certain pictures, do you want to join the perpitrators? Or would you just like to stop the activity that inspired the pictures?

5. Is it possible that our torture and humiliation pictures might influence our people to NOT turture or humiliate captives?

6. Is it possible that the circulation of pictures of our dead soldiers might make some jihadists want to stop killing US military?

7. Are people who pass those photos around hysterical?

Posted by: Marysdude at February 24, 2006 10:21 AM
Comment #129137

Sorry I didn’t get a chance to see any of this until now Jack, and unfortunately don’t have a chance to read it all, but a quick summary of where the information comes from shows, yes, Jack, there’s a real slant to the source of the data between (as you say) your right hand and your far right hand:

Conservative (AEI, Heritage, Hoover) 67%
Non-Partisan Polling (PEW, Harris) 20%
Liberal (barely: Brookings) 7%
Government 7%

Someone else said Pew is Liberal — maybe so. I don;t know much about them.

Perhaps next time you can post some research from, say, CBPP? They just did a quantitative analysis of the impact of Bush’s proposed budget on the working poor (you know — the kind of people whose sole source of income is working at Wal-Mart). Or perhaps CEPR?

I would dearly love to hear some conservatives delve into that sort of research. You know, challenge the actual numbers cite, and back that up with data.

I’m not saying that to sound sarcastic: I sincerely mean it. It’s nearly impossible for Red and Blue to talk about the same thing coherently if we can’t even agree on numbers. Let’s at least agree on the data we disagree on?

Posted by: Steve K at February 24, 2006 10:43 AM
Comment #129141

Steve K

I am not trying to be unbiased. I am listing things I think are interesting or useful. We have three columns on this blog. Those who favor other sorts of information are welcome to post what they want.

I admit my own bias in what I read. I have real trouble getting interested in many of the liberal pieces because they emphasize things I don’t care much about. That is the nature of the values divide.

The think tankers are more intellectual than I am (and have more time to think) so they tend to respond to each other’s research.

For example, the piece on bias doctors is responding to the idea that race plays a big role in health care.

Posted by: Jack at February 24, 2006 11:11 AM
Comment #129146

Steve K

I am not trying to be unbiased. I am listing things I think are interesting or useful. We have three columns on this blog. Those who favor other sorts of information are welcome to post what they want.

I admit my own bias in what I read. I have real trouble getting interested in many of the liberal pieces because they emphasize things I don’t care much about. That is the nature of the values divide.

The think tankers are more intellectual than I am (and have more time to think) so they tend to respond to each other’s research.

For example, the piece on bias doctors is responding to the idea that race plays a big role in health care.

Posted by: Jack at February 24, 2006 11:22 AM
Comment #129148

Jack,

Does this mean that you don’t care about the following, and have no interest in discussing them:

PRESIDENT’S BUDGET WOULD CUT FOOD FOR OVER 420,000 LOW-INCOME SENIORS

PROGRAM CUTS IN THE PRESIDENT’S BUDGET:
Cuts Grow Deeper Over Time and Will Hit States Hard



THE COST AND COVERAGE IMPACT OF THE PRESIDENT’S
HEALTH INSURANCE BUDGET PROPOSALS


If your answer is “yes”, and that applies to the whole “right” side of the debate, then it really makes me wonder deep down what it is conservatives care about. If just one of these articles is 50% correct, then you should understand why us Liberals sound “hysterical,” and why we are so shocked that conservatives are not.

Posted by: Steve K at February 24, 2006 11:26 AM
Comment #129151

I think I found this story for the happy conservatives to get hyterical about. Since the employees earned this benefit under contract, it seems the companies and thus their stockholders are getting welfare (sharp intake of breath from the right> from our tax dollars. Okay, I’ll sit back now and wait for the fulminations from you and your buddies. Guys? Guys? Rush? Bill? Anyone?

Hypocrite lecteur! Mon semblable, mon frere. (TS Eliot, the Wasteland)

Posted by: mental wimp at February 24, 2006 11:39 AM
Comment #129156

By the way, does it seem to anyone else that Jack is getting a little too hysterical? Trying to pile on the issues so no one will attempt a response. He’s link happy, that’s for sure. And most of tired little points are easily refuted, but, geez, I got a job. Talking points, talking points, talking points, all from this administration. Nothing original, nothing startling, just half-truths, cooked stats, and innuendo. This may be my last visit to this column. It originally had been an invigorating discussion of the issues with some rather intelligent folk, but lately even they have become hardened and hew closely to the administration line, whatever it is at the time. When I realized that, I knew the game was over. No more open discussions, just Rove memos.

‘Sta luego, amigas y amigos.

Posted by: mental wimp at February 24, 2006 11:54 AM
Comment #129157

Steve
I don’t know what most conservatives are interested in. You can get some idea what I think about if you look at what I write.

Generally, I read about changes in society, business side of economics, environment, international relations and then whatever is in the news.

Budget cuts don’t interest me (personally) very much. A man’s gotta know his limitiations. You can’t be passionate about everything or you will be hysterical.


Marysdude
1.Do folks pass Abu Ghraib & Guantanamo pictures around because they are terrorists?

Some people pass them around to undermine the U.S. I don’t really know why others are passing them around now, except as a matter of sensationalism. It is like people who like to look at pictures of crime scenes.

2.Do Islamists pass pictures of dying US military around because they are terrorists?

Islamists pass around the pictures because they are recruiting. The “snuff” films sell their cause to the sort of people they want to recruit.

3.Are pictures informative?

Not always. These pictures add nothing to a reasoned debate. Is a picture of an aborted baby a reasoned part of the abortion debate? It is very powerful emotionally, but probably tells you little. Same with these.

4.When you see certain pictures, do you want to join the perpetrators? Or would you just like to stop the activity that inspired the pictures?

It depends on your previous ideas. In the case of your pictures, we already have stopped and punished the activity, which was illegal to begin with.

5.Is it possible that our torture and humiliation pictures might influence our people to NOT torture or humiliate captives?

The activity was already illegal for Americans. In the case of others, it probably actually increases the likelihood, since they can use this as an excuse to do worse, Although, since our opponents already proudly make films of themselves murdering helpless victims, it is hard to see what else they would do differently.

6.Is it possible that the circulation of pictures of our dead soldiers might make some Jihadists want to stop killing US military?

I don’t think so. They use it as a tool and presumably they understand their audience. Jihadist already live in a culture of death. The purveyors of the pictures evidently think this will make them even more enthusiastic.

7.Are people who pass those photos around hysterical?

Sometimes yes. More often just calculating.

Posted by: Jack at February 24, 2006 11:55 AM
Comment #129158

Steve
I don’t know what most conservatives are interested in. You can get some idea what I think about if you look at what I write.

Generally, I read about changes in society, business side of economics, environment, international relations and then whatever is in the news.

Budget cuts don’t interest me (personally) very much. A man’s gotta know his limitiations. You can’t be passionate about everything or you will be hysterical.


Marysdude
1.Do folks pass Abu Ghraib & Guantanamo pictures around because they are terrorists?

Some people pass them around to undermine the U.S. I don’t really know why others are passing them around now, except as a matter of sensationalism. It is like people who like to look at pictures of crime scenes.

2.Do Islamists pass pictures of dying US military around because they are terrorists?

Islamists pass around the pictures because they are recruiting. The “snuff” films sell their cause to the sort of people they want to recruit.

3.Are pictures informative?

Not always. These pictures add nothing to a reasoned debate. Is a picture of an aborted baby a reasoned part of the abortion debate? It is very powerful emotionally, but probably tells you little. Same with these.

4.When you see certain pictures, do you want to join the perpetrators? Or would you just like to stop the activity that inspired the pictures?

It depends on your previous ideas. In the case of your pictures, we already have stopped and punished the activity, which was illegal to begin with.

5.Is it possible that our torture and humiliation pictures might influence our people to NOT torture or humiliate captives?

The activity was already illegal for Americans. In the case of others, it probably actually increases the likelihood, since they can use this as an excuse to do worse, Although, since our opponents already proudly make films of themselves murdering helpless victims, it is hard to see what else they would do differently.

6.Is it possible that the circulation of pictures of our dead soldiers might make some Jihadists want to stop killing US military?

I don’t think so. They use it as a tool and presumably they understand their audience. Jihadist already live in a culture of death. The purveyors of the pictures evidently think this will make them even more enthusiastic.

7.Are people who pass those photos around hysterical?

Sometimes yes. More often just calculating.

Posted by: Jack at February 24, 2006 11:58 AM
Comment #129190

>>7.Are people who pass those photos around hysterical?

Sometimes yes. More often just calculating.


Posted by: Jack at February 24, 2006 11:58 AM

Jack,

You gave wonderful answers to all my questions, and I thank you. I now know that Republicans who used to be for our Constitution are now again’ it. That the party of ‘individual rights’ are now again’ ‘em. So that makes at least three of the amendments ya’ll no longer think are necessary. I guess the only one left that you think is good or necessary is the second. The 1st, 4th, 14th and to a degree the 5th pretty much need a Republican rewrite…go figure…

Posted by: Marysdude at February 24, 2006 2:23 PM
Comment #129195

Marysdude

I really don’t know what you mean.

I never said that the government should prohibit those pictures. I just don’t find them useful to anyone for understanding the problem, no more than a photo of an aborted baby tells you anything new about the abortion debate, especially if the pictures represented an illegal practice that had been caught and stopped.

What the pictures show was illegal then, is illegal now and the people responsible have been punished.

None of my other answers and none of your other questions would come under our Bill of Rights.

Your right of free speech allows you to talk. It doesn’t guarentee that others will approve or even pay any attention at all.

There is also some dispute whether someone has the affirmative duty to give you access to materials or media.

If you could be precise about how you think what I wrote violates the Constitution, I can respond.

By the way, are you trying to immitate a southern accent in print? It doesn’t really work, you know.

Posted by: Jack at February 24, 2006 2:36 PM
Comment #129203
Budget cuts don’t interest me (personally) very much. A man’s gotta know his limitiations. You can’t be passionate about everything or you will be hysterical.

I think it’s the fact that you (and conservatives generally) are not hysterical about issues like this that makes me (and other liberals) “hysterical.”

It really frightens me that we have people in this country who make so little money that they have to choose between medicine and food. I just can’t understand NOT getting passionate about something like that.

Posted by: Steve K at February 24, 2006 3:14 PM
Comment #129218

Jack:

It’s pretty easy to see where Marysdude was going. He had a pre-programmed answer to your post before you even wrote it. But your post didn’t go in the direction that he thought it would. That’s why his post didn’t really fit.

Its a shame when people simply try to argue against what they THINK others believe, rather than actually arguing what someone says. Its not exactly a sign of higher intellect.

Posted by: joebagodonuts at February 24, 2006 4:08 PM
Comment #129236

I think that “agin it” is the more accurate crackerbarrelism for that term, but usage could be regionally specific.

RE: The Photo’s:

This is a question of propaganda. We are in a war, the release of photos taken in an area that is classified with the intent of embarrassing the US government, in general, and the military, in specific, reduces our ability to wage war or peace. Apparently, this is not prohibited, but it is unseemly and deliterious to the interests of the United States.

Posted by: goodkingned at February 24, 2006 5:16 PM
Comment #129310

Goodkinged,

I’m sure photographs in these areas are no longer allowed….and by the way, our military should have been embarrassed…I know I was.

If a free democratically elected people act this way how are we suppose to spread our “freedom”. I know the folks involved have been punished but I don’t think the punishment went up high enough. Even so, punishing the few involved and then fighting like hell against a law to stop torture demonstrates to the world more about us than the photos did.

Just my thoughts.

Posted by: Tom L at February 24, 2006 10:48 PM
Comment #129317

Those “pissants” will keep Hillary and/or Gore out of office in the next 8 years; keeping those two idiots out of office will certainly keep us safe. Bet on that…

Posted by rahdigly at February 24, 2006 12:36 AM


AMEN!! I’m glad I’m not the only one that sees it this way! Kerry was pathetic enough but “Billary” would make him look like Einstein!

Posted by: Tanya at February 24, 2006 10:58 PM
Comment #129318

re: Jack’s obsession with the word Hysterical

I just assumed you were a really obsessive Def Leppard fan.

Posted by esimonson at February 24, 2006 02:56 AM


LMAO!!! Now I dont care WHO you are, that’s funny right there! =)

Posted by: Tanya at February 24, 2006 11:00 PM
Comment #129322

Jack,

In response to your rather lengthy rebuttle to the numerous questions asked by Marysdude, I just want to say that you did a wonderful job responding to each and every point that was made- and DITTO!!!

Posted by: Tanya at February 24, 2006 11:15 PM
Comment #129323

Steve: “It really frightens me that we have people in this country who make so little money that they have to choose between medicine and food. I just can’t understand NOT getting passionate about something like that.”

Posted by Steve K at February 24, 2006 03:14 PM

Even though it would appear we’re on opposite sides here, I really liked your statement here. But, if I may, I’d like to say one thing: I am in that group of people that are so poor that sometimes I have to give up my medicine in order to feed my children (not always, but on occasion) and that began, for me, during the Clinton administration. I guess some of these issues go both ways but some people (not necessarily you, really!) refuse to actually LOOK both ways before crossing that street..

Posted by: Tanya at February 24, 2006 11:21 PM
Comment #129326

This is a question I’ve had in my mind for awhile now, and maybe some of you could enlighten me-may also give a reprieve from this anti-bush, anti-dem stuff…

Isn’t it a little ironic that #1 there are even pictures (and/or video) TAKEN of some of these things, and #2 that the media somehow ALWAYS manages to get ahold of them and makes them the top story for the evening news? Come on, it doesnt take rocket science to figure this one out…

Posted by: Tanya at February 24, 2006 11:25 PM
Comment #129368

Tanya,

Hmm you’re implying that it’s um, in a manner of speaking, “a lie perpetrated by the MSM man” Wow that’s a new one, the pictures aren’t real??? Well then we can all rest easy then huh? Who got the kool-aid?

Honey yes there is an Abu Graib and the pictures I posted are real and it is the second batch that weren’t realeased in 2004. My question to jack although none too finessed for him to get the meat of it, was that things are not as peachy-clever as his blue-skied scenarios project.

The question to him was not about what pictures say which he’ll glaze over too—it’s about what he claims as his party’s picture perfectness. I used to love to split hairs on this but I’ve been at the elephants throat for three years now and they (including Mr Jack) still have an ideal of Bushco that actually doesn’t exist anywhere in the real world (not to mention the excuse making for what if anything is a less than stellar or for that matter, less than sensible presidency)and I just get weary of knocking horns on it, it gets monotonous after a while.

I just get a kick out of seeing people split hairs to sidestep reallities like that makes something less existent—perhaps a bizarre amusement but interesting to break the psychological pathologies. Unless it’s just a dumb response then that’s just a lack of information or being able to see larger structures involved.

Tanya, you’re on meds?

—-Jack,

Who’s this “thinktank” (The Jacktank) you’ve formed and do they agree with William F. Buckley and the Council on Foreign Relations that this war is not winnable as it stands now? If so are you more qualified than those academics on it to say that? And on what grounds? Who does this thinktank serve is there a party that benefits by it? An administration? Anyone?

Posted by: Translator at February 25, 2006 12:57 AM
Comment #129379

Translator
I don’t understand the question. In this article all I did was include links to pieces from think tanks that I thought were interesting. They don’t all reflect my opinions nor to they all agree with each other. People can’t seem to understand that plurality part.

Re the pictures, they are old news. We all agree that the behvior was appalling and illegal. The guilty were punished.

People have a right to publish the pictures, but I do question their motivation. I do not believe it will contrrbute to anything except to further embarrass the U.S. If this is your goal, you will succeed. And people who proudly make pictures of themselves cutting off the heads of helpless people will claim moral superiority.

A picture is worth 1000 words, but those words may not be truthful.

Posted by: Jack at February 25, 2006 1:23 AM
Comment #129397

translator, dan rather sure told a big whopper,of one.

Posted by: rodney brown at February 25, 2006 2:15 AM
Comment #129423

Boycott Fox and Rush
look in www.media matters.com
Try the movie Outfoxed.
America is wakeing up and
should be aware that much they
have been spoonfed is lies.
I also find it funny that the
so called left movie Fahinheit 911
sure ties together some questions
about the current Port deal.
P&O has 21 ports not 6.

Posted by: Honey P at February 25, 2006 6:04 AM
Comment #129433

>>I think that “agin it” is the more accurate crackerbarrelism for that term, but usage could be regionally specific.>I heard on NPR that the terrorists have tapes where they show Americans being killed or wounded. They pass them around as recruiting tools and for the perverted to get pleasure.

More likely they are just passed around to show that the ‘enemy’ is not omnipotent, and that they are just as vulnerable as Iraqis. We are the Mighty King Kong, and we pay editors of Iraqi newspapers to print ‘our’ side of the story. The only way some Iraqis feel they can get a fair shake is to pass around the only documentation of the ‘truth’ they have at their disposal.

Tanya,gkn,joeb,

I probably know my motives and limitations better than anyone, so am impervious to your insults…


Posted by: Marysdude at February 25, 2006 8:45 AM
Comment #129463

If one didn’t know better, it would almost appear that SOME on the left are actively rooting for an Iraqi civil war. Just like most of the MSM reporters appeared SOOOO disapointed when that Whittington chap did not die. What a letdown. Seems like some on the left have grown fangs and need to wipe the venom from them. I don’t think they are drawing any converts to their cause(s)…

Posted by: nikkolai at February 25, 2006 1:27 PM
Comment #129467

>>Seems like some on the left have grown fangs and need to wipe the venom from them. I don’t think they are drawing any converts to their cause(s)…

Posted by: nikkolai at February 25, 2006 01:27 PM

nik,

And, how are you today Fangy?

Posted by: Marysdude at February 25, 2006 1:46 PM
Comment #129470

Translator said: “Tanya, Hmm you’re implying that it’s um, in a manner of speaking, “a lie perpetrated by the MSM man” Wow that’s a new one, the pictures aren’t real??? Well then we can all rest easy then huh? Who got the kool-aid?”

On the contrary, I don’t for a second believe these to be lie’s nor made up by the media, I believe more that they’re taken FOR the media to exploit them. I don’t agree with the material anymore than any other human being does, I just find it strange that someone would take pictures/video of themselves committing such monstrosities, and that the only reason for doing so, in my opinion, is so that they can hand the evidence over to the press. If you were going to humiliate, rape or murder someone, would you take pictures? That’s what I meant. I’m sorry if I gave the impression that I felt they were media “lies”, because sadly, I know they aren’t.

Tanya

Posted by: Tanya at February 25, 2006 2:02 PM
Comment #129475

>>I just find it strange that someone would take pictures/video of themselves committing such monstrosities, and that the only reason for doing so, in my opinion, is so that they can hand the evidence over to the press

Tanya,

I think the picture takers just got caught. It was someone else who turned ‘em in…but, it could have been just another of them darned Democrats trying to one-up the Repubs…perhaps a Clinton conspiracy?

Posted by: Marysdude at February 25, 2006 2:15 PM
Comment #129476

Paul Begala comes to mind, breathlessly demanding that Whittington’s blood alcohol level be checked. Ghouls…..

Posted by: nikkolai at February 25, 2006 2:41 PM
Comment #129483

someone said in a earlier blog, it is almost like THEY want us to lose in iraq! i went back to a earlier time, in november 1995 when mr clinton commited our troops to bosnia, the senate leader asked mr clinton about a time table mr clinton responded, it will take about a year. the troops ultimately stayed in bosnia for nine years.critics argued that the american attacks in kosovo, somalia, sudan,afghanistan,and bosnia violated international law. in the wake of the sept 11th attacks, the independent commission was very critical of mr clinton for focusing more on diplomatic than military means to eliminate the bin laden threat.

Posted by: rodney brown at February 25, 2006 3:39 PM
Comment #129498

fdr, perhaps, one of the best presidents. knew about the holocaust as early as 1941,yet did in my opinion very little to do anything to try to stop it.why was it such a big secret? those death camps had very little security. why did he not make any attempt to stop the killing of those innocent people? until after the war was over!, fdr earned a big fat o for his handeling of that horrible atrocity.

Posted by: rodney brown at February 25, 2006 4:55 PM
Comment #129589

just because something is legally right doesn’t mean something is morally right. (example=abortion) Yes, the pictures should be shown to an authority. To the news? No. Those pictures didn’t help anybody but the terrorists as soon as they got on tv.

Posted by: CommonSense at February 25, 2006 10:30 PM
Comment #129595

commonsense thanks for the commonsense.

Posted by: rodney brown at February 25, 2006 10:39 PM
Comment #129632

Marysdude said: “Tanya,I think the picture takers just got caught. It was someone else who turned ‘em in…but, it could have been just another of them darned Democrats trying to one-up the Repubs…perhaps a Clinton conspiracy?”

Posted by: Marysdude at February 25, 2006 02:15 PM

Geez, you really like to argue, don’t you? Did I mention anything about Clinton or even the Dems, for that matter? NO-I most certainly did not. See, unlike some, I come here to see good debates on the issues, not petty arguments and constant bashing. I save that for the media, and people like you…

Posted by: Tanya at February 26, 2006 1:18 AM
Comment #129633

Jack said: “People have a right to publish the pictures, but I do question their motivation. I do not believe it will contrrbute to anything except to further embarrass the U.S. If this is your goal, you will succeed. And people who proudly make pictures of themselves cutting off the heads of helpless people will claim moral superiority.

A picture is worth 1000 words, but those words may not be truthful”

Thank you! THIS is exactly what I was trying to get across, I just don’t have the gift to word things the way you do. =)

Posted by: Tanya at February 26, 2006 1:21 AM
Comment #129635

Translator, in response to “Tanya, you’re on meds?”, if you really must know, levothyroxine, prednisone, premarin and morphine…the latter which is temporary until after my surgery, the first one is for the rest of my life, the 2nd is also temporary-most cancer patients take steroids, and the 3rd one probably another 2 years. (If you’re unfamiliar with those drugs, you can look them up at the rxlist website) You thought I’d say Prozac or Paxil or some benzodiazapine, didn’t ya? ;-)

Posted by: Tanya at February 26, 2006 1:31 AM
Comment #129638

Marysdude, in response to “Tanya,gkn,joeb,

I probably know my motives and limitations better than anyone, so am impervious to your insults… “

Yea, I can see where my name should be included, let alone first on the list-since I make it my daily goal to insult you! Seems to me you are the one that throws the most mud around here; I’d challenge you to prove my insults toward you, but you’d probably just argue it anyway…

Posted by: Tanya at February 26, 2006 1:35 AM
Comment #129639

Rodney wrote: “commonsense thanks for the commonsense.”

Posted by: rodney brown at February 25, 2006 10:39 PM

Agreed! It’s nice to see some of that in here, huh? =)

Posted by: Tanya at February 26, 2006 1:37 AM
Comment #129643

>>Yea, I can see where my name should be included, let alone first on the list-since I make it my daily goal to insult you! Seems to me you are the one that throws the most mud around here; I’d challenge you to prove my insults toward you, but you’d probably just argue it anyway…

Posted by: Tanya at February 26, 2006 01:35 AM

Tanya,

Frequently Jack comes over to the other side and throws a bunch of stuff out just to get some Dems pissed off, and distract from the meat of the post. I just thought I’d come over here to see if I could do the same…yep.

Posted by: Marysdude at February 26, 2006 1:49 AM
Comment #129646

Marysdude: “Tanya, Frequently Jack comes over to the other side and throws a bunch of stuff out just to get some Dems pissed off, and distract from the meat of the post. I just thought I’d come over here to see if I could do the same…yep.

Lets see… J-A-C-K…yup, that spells Tanya. Boy do I feel stupid!


Posted by: Tanya at February 26, 2006 2:07 AM
Comment #129663

>>Lets see… J-A-C-K…yup, that spells Tanya. Boy do I feel stupid!


Posted by: Tanya at February 26, 2006 02:07 AM

Tanya/J-A-C-K,

That does sound like a personal problem to me. I merely gave an explaination as to why I was here. If you, who bows to Jack’s every nuance, and who believes that ‘Gore and Billary’ are horrible examples of leadership, were distracted by my diversions, then I was as successful here as Jack is, at times, over there. Whew! That darned near wore me out. Churchill would envy the length of that sentence.

Posted by: Marysdude at February 26, 2006 8:45 AM
Comment #129794

Marysdude

You are welcome in my columns. I would just as soon engage on my home field as do it over there.

I don’t know why you want to pick on Tanya, however.

You guys are very sensitive about Clinton. I say again, I liked Clinton. He was a giant among Dems. I wish you could find someone sort of like him again. But when we see Gore, Kerry, Dean, Reid, Pelosi, Schummer and Boxer … is that seven dwarfs?

Posted by: Jack at February 27, 2006 12:13 AM
Comment #129801

tanya, you hang in there,ya just let it roll right off, ill tell ya it can be brutal out there,hope your well. how did you like jacks seven dwarf story funny ha!!. rodney

Posted by: rodney brown at February 27, 2006 3:26 AM
Comment #131348

Rodney said “tanya, you hang in there,ya just let it roll right off, ill tell ya it can be brutal out there,hope your well. how did you like jacks seven dwarf story funny ha!!. rodney”

Posted by: rodney brown at February 27, 2006 03:26 AM

LOL Yea, don’t worry Rodney, trust me, in my line of work you HAVE to know how to roll with the big dogs…no fretting here. I did; however, have to take a hiatus for a spell to get away from the tension-before I said something that would have me permanently banned *grins*

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