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Thanks for linking to my article. Indeed, Canadian immigration has been out of control ever since the Liberal Party came to power in 1993. Since then, we have had nothing but corruption and an immigration system that has allowed pretty much every criminal and/or terrorist to settle in Canada and destroy what Canada used to be.

Instead of tackling this problem, a lot of Canadians, especially in Toronto, have taken to anti-Americanism (including the current Prime Minister and one of the architects of a major government scandal, which saw the theft and embezzlement of Can$250 million (minimum)).

I am a proud Albertan; I am not proud of Canada anymore. Albertans are seriously considering separating from Canada and becoming independent (one poll earlier this year pegged the percentage of Western Canadians supporting independence at about 48%).

All the crime that we have seen in our major cities (Toronto, Montreal and even Calgary) is the work of (legal and illegal) immigrants and refugees (well, about 95% of all the crime; we also have some of our own home-made crooks).

Thanks Mike Tate I’m impressed with your accomplishments so far and find your information Chilling.
I wanted to ask if you think the dominant opinion is that guns from the U.S. are responsible, or immigrants (the policies of Canada) are responsible, or a combination of both?

I can tell you who the culprit is, MLD: Canada’s lax immigration policy for the past 12 years and the fact that even known criminals are not deported when they should be. Add to this a lax criminal justice system, which allows even killers out on the streets within a few years. Common-sense Canadians are as disgusted as our American brothers and sisters are.

By the way: please don’t think of every Canadian as anti-American. The real anti-Americans are mostly found in Toronto as well as in the Liberal Party of Canada and the New Democratic Party (NDP).

I live in Calgary, the most “American city” outside the US (we have a huge percentage of US expats in Calgary and right across Alberta), and we don’t think of Americans as enemies. Remember: Albertans are your friends, and depending on our election result on January 23 (federal election), Albertans may not be Canadians forever.

We have citizens on our southern border with glasses watching for illigal immigration. People in the lower border states have had to take it upon themselves to point out the migration across our southern border. Yours is legal thou, as I take it. That’s another matter entirely.
What states have tried to gain independence in Canada? I can only remember one time in the media of a vote for independence taking place in Canada.

I rarely agree with the right-wing on anything but this goes way beyond sensible. Who praytell are pulling the triggers? That is NOT our problem. We can be scapegoated for alot quite fairly and quite logistically, destabilzing nations, fixing elections, Funding guerrillas, etcetera, but the guns are only a portion of the problem there. What about the border patrol? Are guns coming in by mail? Can there be better precautions at post offices?

WE aren’t to blame on this one, this is the gangs whether that extends to immigration or not is a Canadian matter.

enforcement, frankly, is ill-equipped to deal with it.”

Many American experts point to the Boston gun project of the mid-1990s as one strategy that appeared to work.

AlbertaAvenue, since so many Americans have emmigrated to Canada, it sounds like you should balance it out by immigrating to the U.S.

Both countries have difficult problems they face while trying to preserve the principles and values dear to their people and their Constitutions. We have a President who has been found to have just chucked law and the Constitution because it was in his way. And likely, nothing will come of it save another step toward undermining our democracy becoming institutionalized by every President to follow.

I used to contemplate moving to Canada. Then I researched Canada’s political and social problems. They are different in many respects than those here, but, no less troubling for citizens that live there. Secession seems to be a real bugger for ya’ll’s Commonwealth. Americans are deeply divided on many issues, but, secession from the union is not one of them. We fought that war, and put it behind us. In the end, a whole lot of Americans died and little changed, for almost 100 years. Then we fought some of those same issues again in the 1960’s, but, in the courts, and then change came about. And without all the blood and death.

It’s just one of those things that continue to make me proud of my Country. We may be slow, but, when we change things, they are usually for the better: though often it is a process of 2 steps forward and one back for decades to get where we need to go.

QUESTION to Canadians: There is absolutely a European trend of immigration, does this if anything have to do with the United Nations? I know this sounds strange but there was a push by them to open up borders to third-worlders (some of which very amiable). Subsequently we are seeing the backlash now (Australia, France) do you know if this has anything to do with the UN’s proposals of the 1990’s? In other words how in bed with the UN is the leftist party in Canada. Perhaps this is even an avenue that hasn’t been researched.

Or this may very well be the by-product of leftist socialism itself.

Hey Mike Tate! Are you still here?

I asked a simple question. “What states have tried to gain independence in Canada?”
Mike may not be available but you 3 are. Do any of you know what provinces in Canada have tried to gain independence?

David: easier said than done. I am self-employed, and in order to immigrate to the US, I would have to find myself an employer, stay with him for like 9 - 12 months to qualify for the Green Card (I have consulted with American immigration specialists). This means that I would lose all my existing clients and thus my business by the time I was allowed to work in self-employed capacity in the US.

I have been in my business for almost 20 years, and I can’t just throw all that away to satisfy the requirements of a Green Card - that would be insane, regardless of how bad the political climate is in Canada.

In Canada, you can immigrate as a self-employed, but not in the States. I am a free spirit and have never liked working for somebody else. I am not going to give this up. Besides, Alberta is the closest we have to the US, so I am doing quite alright where I am now.

As for the other question, which provinces have tried to secede, well, there is, first and foremost, French-speaking Quebec, and from the looks of it, they’re headed for another referendum in a few years’ time, and next time, they will probably achieve independence.

The other province that seeks independence is Alberta, my home province.

I share your views regarding the history of the US and that you guys have already dealt with all that lack of cohesion. Unfortunately, in Canada, we are about a hundred years behind in this respect.

Quebec was one. I am just learning here about Alberta, a very sparsely populated province. Haven’t a clue about a 3rd one, a wild guess would Manitoba with characteristics similar to Alberta.

first and foremost, French-speaking Quebec

That’s the one I heard about in the news. About 10 years ago or so… I’m an old bugger. I know you guys wanted to be your own country.

Texas was their own country. They were independent. They chose to be in the U.S.
They gained some seats in the congress and 2 seats in the senate.

Try going on that route.

How many years has it been? When was it last we added a star to our flag?

Damn, son! I’m gitn arrested. I hate it when that happens.

I’m kidding. I’m aresting myself.

I would like to know if countries in Canada would be willing to join the U.S.A. Mexico as well.

Why don’t you guys just petition the U.S. for statehood? Why shouldn’t any state be able to petition the “UNITED STATES” for statehood?

Float that boat in your own pond and see if it could be a good thing.

MLD, and there are a whole bunch of Texans going back generations who have regretted joining the US ever since. Kick up your heels out in Terlingua at an ice house and listen to the locals talk. It’s an ear opener, that’s for sure.

MLD,

Alberta will NEVER be able to secede from Canada, why? Because they don’t have a currency without their own currency they are still Canada. That’s what all these sucessionists miss on, they can’t secede without having their own traded dollar first.

Independent statehood is a monetary arangement by which you are seceding from the currency not the government (duh). That is technically why there was a Confederate Dollar, it meant business and real secession. Today sucessionists are clowns who think that breaking off means that they don’t have to do what the host country says anymore.

That is not what secession is, you must have your own currency. Does Alberta have one? NO, so it is impossible to secede. Get smart Canada.

About the currency argument - that’s absolutely wrong. Quebec, if they separated, would keep the Canadian dollar.

Look at the Europe and all the independent countries: they all use the euro as currency (except for Britain).

According to the OECD, if Alberta were independent, it would be the most prosperous country in the world. Don’t forget that we are sitting on oil reserves parallelled only by Saudi Arabia, and that oil belongs to Alberta, not Canada.

So, in a nutshell, Alberta is in an even better position to go it alone than Quebec (which has a bloated bureaucracy and is buried under a mountain of debt).

Alberta paid off its debt last summer. Yes, we are debt-free and for 2006, we expect a surplus of about $19 billion.

Given our oil and other naturual resources and wealth, it would be very easy for Alberta to create its own “Alberta dollar”, which would instantly become a “petro-dollar” and therefore a valuable currency. This could be done very quickly.

Canada will just let their oil reserves go? Well good luck with it. Are the banks in Alberta supporting this move? As they will have to create a federal reserve of some sort. In the US Vermont recently had a hearing on their Secession movement and you want to talk about misconceptions, jeez. maybe they could have a maple-sugar/ski lift backed currency? Maybe the Alberta thing could work, I’m just accustomed to hearing the American versions thereof which are so poorly thought out that it is almost laughable.

Don’t worry. If the popular will is there to separate, then Alberta will pull it off. Our surplus in 2006 is four times the surplus generated by all of Canada (!!!). Albertans, who are much closer to Americans in mentality and pretty much everything else, are fed up with Canada, and the number of those who want to take the show on the road is climbing fast.

If we want to separate, and the decision is borne by a clear majority in a referendum, then, of course, we’ll walk away from Canada. The only open question that remains is whether Alberta will remain an independent republic or join the US after independence.

It should also be noted that the federal government’s influence in Alberta is negligible to almost non-existent. In other words, Alberta has done its own thing for a long time. If the last vestiges of federal influence (i.e., rest of Canada, federal government) disappear, trust me, no Albertan will notice.

The next step, so I have heard, is to build a “firewall” around Alberta, which would include severing our ties with the federal income tax system. In other words, under such firewall plan, Albertans would no longer pay income tax to the federal government (our own income tax in Alberta is a flat tax of 10%, and even this is expected to be reduced in 2006).

As a US citizen working in Alberta, within my first month of arriving, I thought that Alberta should join the Union. I’m very impressed with all the Albertans I’ve met and worked with. Calgary is a boom town. Unemployement is theoretically at zero, (4%), anyone who wants a job can find one. Fort McMurray is booming also, between Texas, Oklahoma, Alaska, and Alberta, it would create one incredibly powerful oil economy. Health care would benefit from private insurance and separation from Canada’s federal policies. It seems the eastern provinces treat Alberta (strong Midwestern values and work ethic) like it’s hicksville instead of the most prosperous province in the Commonwealth. Yet they seem to be working hard to get into Alberta’s pockets. I wish all of Alberta well, independent, Commonwealth, or Union.

It looks like the Liberials up in Canada need to learn the samething that Liberials here need to lean.
GUNS ARENOT VIOLENT! PEOPLE ARE!
I have NEVER once heard of or seen a gun decide to go out and kill someone. But people sure as hell have.
So where does anyone get the idea of ‘Gun Violence’?

Another way to look at all this concerns Mexico’s illegal immigration problem. Yes, people from nations to the south try to sneak into Mexico and apparently in serious numbers.

Also I have heard that the Mexican government discourages this much more strenuously than its neighbor to the north does in regards to Mexicans headed in that direction.

I have also heard that Mexico is much more stringent about who can register to vote, to the point of taking fingerprints in some districts, but I know nothing about official firearms laws.
It would be interesting to hear posts on these subjects.

This article is an intresting one on the coorilation between gunlaws and murder rates. It mentions Mexico a number of paragraphs down.

Here’s another scary one

All of Mexico: Laws and Summaries

Understanding Canada’s Firearms Law
A Guide to Key Information in the Firearms Act, Regulations and Support Material

Canada’s Immigration Law

Canada’s Immigration Law

Understanding Canada’s Firearms Law

There, that’s better

Ron Brown,

Guns don’t kill people, the ammo does. Ron let me run this by you just to get your take.. What if in the US we had ammunition regulation, meaning that YOU CANNOT get ammunition for any gun/rifle/firearm that you are not registered/liscensed for? Such as you cannot get ammo for a Glock 17 if you are just the owner of a browning 30. Would republicans deride this proposal? Or even that you cannot get ammunition for any make if you aren’t registered for a firearm to begin with.

many crimes are committed with unregistered weapons, robberies, assaults, murders. Somehow they get ammunition for these weapons would putting a wrench in the supply gears of these types of crimes be republicanly derided?

It would be just as easy to get illeagalammo as it is to get illeagal guns.

First, I’m against ANY kind of gun registeration except for assult weapons. Assult weapons being defined as any weapon that can fire more than a one round per pull of the triger.
So given that I don’t believe that ammunition should be regulated. Most people don’t buy ammunition for weapons they don’t own anyway.
A criminal doesn’t ussually buy his ammo in a store any more than he buys his weapons in stores. So the perpose of your idea is defeated from the get go. Just like laws against excons buying and pocessing guns. They don’t buy them legally to start with.
As far as how Republicans would feel about your preposal, you’d have to ask one.

I beleive that the number of accidental shootings could be cut down if the person who was going to be the owner of a gun of any kind had to sucessfully complete a safty course on that type weapon before they could take pocession of it.

BTW, I’m a firm believer in gun control.
Gun control is hitting exactly what your aiming at.

The US is an enemy of Canada. Come to think of it, the US is the secret enemy of most of the world.

I wonder how firearms are getting into the hands of criminals and gangs with such a strict gun-control policy? Could it be that the black-market in such firearms is largely unrestricted? No pun intended

Having read all this, I see one thing about liberals that everyone has missed. EVERYBODY IS A VICTIM. Doesnt matter if its a gun crime, you only make 30k a year, ur insurance covers 90% of the cost for the dentist…it goes on and on. WE have to look out for ourselves first, friends & family second, and so on up the chain. Take responsibility for our actions. That includes what, where and how we live. I’m sick and tired of the damn nanny state being forced on me. I and many like minded folks can take care of ourselves without the gov’t telling us how to do it. You can make all the gun laws you want, the gd criminals will find their way around it. Best way to deal with it? Arm yourself, the cops cant be where u are all the time. And if u so happen to send a gang member to hell, no great loss.

I’ve been to Calgary. I like vacationing in the US and Canadian National Parks in the Rockies. What I found most interesing driving from Montana to Calgary was how “American” it was along that drive. Just about every other Canadian flag I saw had a US flag flying with it. Car dealerships, banks, private homes, and such had US flags. Even more interesting for a big city, was that it seemed Calgary had a higher percentage of American cars on the road than most US cities.

On another note about currency, multiple countries can use the same currency.

“A few nations besides the United States use the U.S. dollar as their official currency, a process known as official dollarization. Ecuador, El Salvador, and East Timor all adopted the currency independently. The former members of the US-administered Trust Territory of the Pacific Islands, which included Palau, the Federated States of Micronesia, and the Marshall Islands, chose not to issue their own currency after becoming independent.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_dollar

Shawn you might be watching entirely too much TV. I do however think you do have a fair point about atleast the DNC/liberals. Always on the look for things that sell as victimization issues. Not that there aren’t but some strain of democrats certainly do head off in the wrong direction. As for Canadian liberals they’re obviously blaming us for something that is their own problem whether it’s the immigration issue or guns making it across their borders, still their issue, not ours.

Ron— I am actually very second amendment and believe in the rights to safely own a firearm. What I think alot of people miss on too is that is many rural areas of our country it is a tool and not just a frivolous item that one wants just for the childish Clint Eastwood/Charlie Bronson effect. But at the same time I want to give law enforcement a tool by which to control gun violence and/or harm to themselves in crisis situations. Assault weapons generally (even some automatic weapons) serve little if any purpose outside warzones, I agree with you there. I thought I’d just run it by you to get your take.

BTW, I’m a firm believer in gun control. Gun control is hitting exactly what your aiming at.

Hey Ron, that’s what one of my new favorite Democrats, Paul Hackett, says. :)

You are so wrong on your premise that Canadian immigration policies are to blame for the gun violence.

1) Do some research and read Canadian rules on immigration. They are much more “pro business” than you find in the USA.
2) Also, illegal/undocumented immigration to Canada is miniscule compared to that in the USA. Why? Because Canadian businesses believe in following the law, unlike our Wallmarts here in the USA.
3) Finally, Canadian politicians, esp. of the conservative parties, don’t go around chanting racists slogans like our Republican counterparts. Race baiting is not a conservative strategy in Canada as it is here.
4) Finally, domestic gun violence in Canada is miniscule compared to the USA. And that is not an urban problem, but mainly a rural, white problem.

Next time, do some homework on this before you start quoting conservative columnists and think tanks. As we now know, they get paid to print a certain “fact”.

Novenge,

QUESTION to Canadians: There is absolutely a European trend of immigration, does this if anything have to do with the United Nations? I know this sounds strange but there was a push by them to open up borders to third-worlders (some of which very amiable).

Even for non-canadians, that indeed sounds very strange question. How come UN could have controled nations’s immigration policy?!

I knew these days UN bashing is very hype in US but, please, you can’t say “UN is totally irrevelant!” and “it’s all UN fault!” at the same time.

Subsequently we are seeing the backlash now (Australia, France) do you know if this has anything to do with the UN’s proposals of the 1990’s? In other words how in bed with the UN is the leftist party in Canada. Perhaps this is even an avenue that hasn’t been researched.

I dunno for recent Australia rioters/urban violence, but France november’s urban violences were commited by french youth, not immigrants.

Or this may very well be the by-product of leftist socialism itself.

French rioters were far more violent due to a very well shared feeling of being unrespected, unemployed and usual day to day racism than because of *socialism* failure.
Since there birthdates, half time right and left wings were in France political control. It’s hard to sort out which side is responsible more than the other…

MLD stated: We have citizens on our southern border with glasses watching for illigal immigration. People in the lower border states have had to take it upon themselves to point out the migration across our southern border. Yours is legal thou, as I take it.

I am from southern New Mexico I am about an hour and a half, maybe two hours from the Mexican border and we have to deal with immigrants who can barely speak English if any at all. We are paying the price for that in many ways but we are trying to deal with it and we are in no way blaming someone else for it. We are getting for fences and better security we have taken the blame for it by saying our security was to slack, but we’ve never said, “Mexico this is all your fault!” I think that Canada’s government was completley unprofessional and done in an entirley wrong way. America always helps Canada out and they need to get a grip and take a step back to look at this from a different viewpoint. Look what the liberals have done to Canada thank God they don’t run America.

David:

You say “In the end, a whole lot of Americans died and little changed, for almost 100 years. Then we fought some of those same issues again in the 1960’s, but, in the courts, and then change came about. And without all the blood and death.”

If all those pesky problems were changed or corrected (starting 40 years ago) in the 1960s, why do you liberals and the socialist democrats and the jesse jacksons keep telling us that nothing is good today and racism/poverty is alive and well?

Ron Brown:

You state that: “BTW, I’m a firm believer in gun control.
Gun control is hitting exactly what your aiming at.”

You give the exact reason for Canada’s gun problem. It’s called gun control. Look at any nation or city that has passed restrictive gun control laws/confiscation programs and you will find a nation/city with skyrocketing crime and gun violence. To wit: UK, Australia, Canada, NYC, DC, London, to name a few. Then look at the states/cities that have CCW laws and non-restrictive gun codes. Crime always goes down and remains lower that the control freak entities.

Norvenge…Thank you for making this point…

QUOTE: “What I think alot of people miss on too is that is many rural areas of our country it is a tool and not just a frivolous item that one wants just for the childish Clint Eastwood/Charlie Bronson effect”

I live in rural SW Michigan which is largely agricultural…Besides hunting, we also used guns for things like protecting livestock from predators (coyote, fox, wild dogs, and cats),as well as dispatching destructive critters like woodchuck and raccoons..Rabid animals are also becoming more of an issue….I wish city folks understood more about rural living…The PETA people may think they’re doing something noble by trying to protect animals but they should live with the almost unbelieveable amount of road kill we see everyday..(which has steadly increased as the fur market has declined)….Guns are a way of life in rural America and when you live 20 miles from the nearest city, they offer the security that police are to far away to supply in a timely fashion….

IMO, guns have nothing to do with violence…The lowered standard of morality and the loss of the family unit are much more a factor….

AP
From the link you provided that’s the only thing Paul Hackett has right.

Beak
Your right. Gun bans only serve to increase crime. Whereas gun control decreases it. When the criminals know that intended victims have guns and can hit what they’re aiming at the assholes think twice about screwing around with them.
A couple of stories that I’ve told before but are worth repeating.
Back around 89 or 90 the town of Downers Grove, IL pasted an ordenance that noone living in Downers Grove could own a gun. The anti gun crowd was acting like it was the best thing sense sliced bread.
The town of Kennesaw, GA thought that was about the dumbest thing they’ve heard of. They pasted a law just to piss off the anti gun nuts saying that all residents of Kennesaw had to own a gun. However they put a one year limit on it.
An independent third party (I don’t remember who) decided to keep track of the crime rate in both towns for the year. Downers Grove had a 75% increase in crime. Kennesaw had a 45% decrease in crime.
One of the neighborhoods I lived in while I was in service was having a rash of nighttime burgularies. These were taking place around 2 to 3 AM when folks were in bed sleeping. A few of us figured that it was a bunch of trash that lived down the road from me.
It was also known in the neighborhood that I owned guns.
Only two houses were being avoided by this trash. One was a cops house, logical. The other was mine.
When the cops finally caught the guys it was the trash down the road. The cops asked them why they didn’t hit my house sense I had guns they could get. Their answer? “Yeah we know he’s got guns. And he’d give us one.”

Mike Tracy:

Sorry, you are dead wrong. The Liberals have allowed known criminals and terrorists to settle in Canada. What is more, they have totally disregarded the provisions of our immigration laws, which state, for example, that you must be able to speak English and/or French. Most immigrants today, however, don’t speak English and never bother to learn it either. In Toronto, in particular, you have to rely on body language to even order a cup of coffee, because no one behind shop counters speaks English anymore.

The Liberals have also refused to outlaw the Tamil Tigers terrorist organization, because Paul Martin, the prime minister, is friends with them and has been funded by them too (there are photos of Martin partying with Tamil Tiger terrorists!!!!!).

The Liberals have imported criminals from other countries (Jamaica, eastern Europe) and terrorist. Canada is now known as the telemarketing fraud capital of the world (Toronto, Montreal), and all these crooks are criminals from eastern Europe (e.g., Russia) and peeople from the Caribbean.

After 12 years of Liberal criminal government, I am ashamed to call myself Canadian. In fact, I refer to myself as an Albertan, not Canadian.

AlbertaAvenue
If Alberta was to suceed from Canada do you think it would want to join the United States?

BTW, off the subject a bit. I fianlly got the sattlelite company to hook me up. I’ve got Fox News on. These guys aint Conservitive. They’re Republicans.

Ron Brown,

What you are saying might have some validity. But there really are quite a few people that I’d rather not see with a gun at all. In Florida this year they passed the right to carry policies. Have ya’ ever met the yokels of small Florida towns? I’ve been to some pretty rednecky roadside bars but now with the right to carry policy, I’m steerin’ clear. There is a host of good and bad with such laws, IMHO, and a potential problem for law enforcement especially with drunken spats and marital dispute calls.

I think there might be something said for it keeping crime at a minimum but also it could prove problematic over the long haul with suicides and murders. Only time will tell with Florida but the bar thing just spells trouble.

I believe in good sound gun regulation as well as the second amendment supported and even the rights of police officers to know whether the house they roll up on has firearms inside. Also talons and hollow points need to be banned, and in most areas they are. I also hate the thought of someone attaining an illegal firearm through theft or street purchase and being able to go to a gun store to buy ammunition unchecked. then going off and doing someone harm or commiting a robbery with it all under our nose. How did the Crips get all their ammunition to kill? They bought it probably over the counter without background checks to see if those fireams for which they were buying ammo for were legally in their possession. Don’t get me wrong I do support the second amendment but a responsible form thereof. I have no problem with the rights of sportsmen or even home/livestock protection. Your idea of gun safety courses might actually be a good idea.

Applegrower,

With the PETA/ASPCA thing, there really does need to be two policies, one very loosened for rural areas where people are trying to protect livestock from scavengers. PETA is such an elitist phenomena by people who clearly have no understanding that things like wild pigs and big cats are actually dangerous things. It’s pretty misguided and they don’t get that there are different Americas and very different needs.

@ Ron Brown:

Hard to say; time will tell, I suppose. Alberta could very well remain independent. According to the OECD, it would be the most prosperous country on earth. But there is a probability that Alberta might join up with the US down the road. There is some support for that, from what I know.

Novenge
I grew up in and live in South Georgia. I can tell you about anything you’d want to know about rednecks. I’m not as scared of a redneck with a gun as I am one with a six pack and a pickup.
Like I said eariler, very few criminals are going to buy guns or ammo from a store. If ammunition was regulated the black market would supply it to those that cann’t get it legally.
Police are, at least around here, trained to figure on guns being in a home. They’re also trained to figure that a gun is in a vechicle they stop on the road.
I own a couple of assult weapons. I enjoy shooting them. I don’t believe they’d do me much good defending my wife or me from an intruder in my home. A hand gun is more suited for that. They’re not the kind of thing you’d want to use hunting. Unless you want to do some serious damage to the game. But they’re fun to shoot.
However, because of the nature of these things they are, and should be, very hard to buy.
In order to buy one of these babys, you need a federal permit. I don’t know if you’ve ever had a military top secret security clearence background check done on you or not. The background check to purchase an assult weapon makes it look like a minor detail. They look for a reason not to issue the permit for them. You have to pay $1,550 for the permit in advance. If they deny the permit you don’t get your money back. You have to pass a background check everytime you buy an assult weapon just like any other weapon. However once you have a permit for one you don’t need another for each weapon. Every time you renew your permit, it’s the same as getting your first one.
You have to register the address where your going to keep the weapons. If you want to take one out of the state you have to let the ATF know when and where your taking it. You also have to have security for them. The only way you can sell one is through a federally licensed dealer. Just like buying one.

There seems to be some confusion between assualt weapons and fully automatic weapons. The Clinton gun ban banned assualt weapons that were semi automatic. This was a ban on cosmetics not the ability to fire on full auto. Guns were outlawed because they had a flash suppressor, or wire stock etc. An M16 modified for civilian ownership. (only able to fire on semi-auto, one pull of the trigger releases one shot.) has less killing power than a 30-06 semi-auto and yet the Clinton gun ban outlawed the M16 and many other semi-autos. The ban was allowed to expirer because the governments own study proved it was worthless.

Ron,

I grew up in and live in South Georgia. I can tell you about anything you’d want to know about rednecks. I’m not as scared of a redneck with a gun as I am one with a six pack and a pickup.

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Police are, at least around here, trained to figure on guns being in a home. They’re also trained to figure that a gun is in a vechicle they stop on the road.

So, could you say us if you are or not scared by a redneck with a six pack *and* a gun in his pickup?
Sounds a little scarier mix to me: drunken gun owner driving a pickup…

Philippe
Thanks, I needed the laugh this morning.
Most rednecks aren’t going to shoot anyone. They’d rather fight.
But yeah, it is a little scary thinking about that.

Norm
The only folks that get confused bwtween asult weapons ansd semi automatic weapons are those unfamiliar with them and politicians that want to ban guns alltogether.
Your right about the assult weapon ban. It was based on how the weapon looked rather than if it could be fired full automatic or not.
The 2 assult weapons I own are Vietnam favorties from both sides. A M16 and AK47. Like I said both are fun to fire. But both have little other civilian use. They’re also expensive to own and buy ammunition for.

i find it funny how Albertan’s will complain and point fingers at quebec separtists and then turn around and say the same thing.
Separtists in Alberta are the minority and quebec separtists are as well. Canadians love americans, its the government we dont like. The citizens and the gov’t are to different things often confused. As for Alberta Avenue, pulling the “i dont like whats going, Canada doesnt work, im going separate”, is the weakest solution ever. When Alberta joined they got lots of cash, but know that it no longer equates to getting more than gving so some want out. Luckly proud Canadians like myself will battle with separtisits to the end in mtl. and im sure there’s a lot more proud Canadian Albertan’s who will do the same out west.
The true north, strong, free and UNITED!

Ron Brown:

I don’t know where you get the idea that a federal fee for selective fire weapons is that much. Last I heard through the vine, it was $200. And yes, I have have been cleared TS as well as SCI over the last 35 years. The SBI that one goes through for these types of clearances is 20 fold what a BATFE form/check is. And, I shoot 5.56 mm and 7.62x39 mm all the time. It is among the cheapest ammunition available. It is only $3 for 20 rounds even at Academy Stores. I like your attitude on guns, but I think you are misinformed on some issues.

Beak
My bad, I put a zero on the fee. And then stuck in the comma on proof reading. Been one of them days.
When I can get 40 rounds of .30 ammunition for around $5.50 I concider $3 for 20 high. But then I cann’t get 7.62mm and 5.56mm at the same place I get my .30.
I don’t know about SCI but I had TS in service. The federal permitt investigation was more intense than the one for my TS clearence. Maybe they’ve made changes sense I got mine back in ‘65. I sure hope so, it alomst seemed like they just took what you told them at face value. I know they asked my parents and friends some questions but that was about it.

Ron Brown:

Well, there is really no permit as such. There is a National Firearms ACT (NFA) transfer tax of $200 on NFA designated firearms, such as a fully automatic M16 or AK-47. All the transferee (buyer) has to do is supply fingerprints and picture with the application that the transferor (seller) sends to BATFE. In fact, the transferor pays the tax, but we know who really ends up paying it. Still pisses me off that they can do that to us, but at least we can own selective fire weapons. Most people in our country think fully automatic weapons (those horrible assault rifles) are illegal. Guess it’s better to let them think that. Good shooting in GA! Too bad your Bulldogs lost to West VA; it was a good bowl game.

Beak
Too bad your Bulldogs lost to West VA; it was a good bowl game.

That’s why I’ve been having a bad day.