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Dawn wrote:
“We have Politicians who claim to be looking out for the American people when it is clear that they are only looking out for their own political futures…They seemed to have missed the poll that says we want them to GROW UP. We want them to stop the bickering and get back to work.”
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Well said! Couldn’t agree with you more.

I would like to see a poll: Do you think your Senator is going to Washington… 1. To represent your State. 2. To decide matters that effect the whole Country. 3. Neither. 4. Both.

3. Neither.
Their there to line their pockets with OUR tax money.

3. Neither.

Their reasons for going to Washington are self serving.

I would like to see a poll:

Why? The public is by and large made up of idiots.

Interesting piece Dawn, although I don’t quite follow the tie to Murtha. Certainly he didn’t make his comments to get re-elected; he could die tomorrow and Western PA would probably vote him into office with as much pork as he has sent them. I remember it was big news when the GOP actually put a candidate up against him a few years back. So why did he create this issue if not for the usual reason of posturing?

My first reaction was that Murtha had to say something radical just to get noticed within his own party. There are few of the old line Democrats left around Washington, and his long history of being hawkish is not in vogue with the current leadership or the Kos crowd. So if he wants to be player in Washington he has to gain some attention.

But now I don’t think I really buy that one either. I mean, he’s been there 30 plus years and has yet to show any real national desires.

Maybe he was put up to it by the Democratic leadership with some more pork as an exchange. Similar to the nomination of Kerry, the “Bush is screwing up the war” argument has credence if it comes from someone with military creditenals. And Murtha probably doesn’t mind being used as long as he gets a few new contracts for Concurrent Technologies or a new wing to the Murtha Center.

I don’t know, but I don’t think he was just working on his next re-election; it’s been rumored that he’s about done anyway.

Schwamp
What is an idiot? Someone who disagrees with you? Are you Mensa material?

Dawn
The poll. They should be there to represent the state they alledgedly reside in, but in a vast majority of the cases they are there for self serving reasons, such as power, greed, and money.

George,

The way I see Murtha is: A man who is really bothered by the KIA’s and those who have been injured.
I don’t know if his intention was to stop the bickering and get on with solutions or not.
I just hope that this is the effect.

y-DO-U-BLOCKEMAILS,

I have not blocked any e-mails. What e-mails? I don’t get e-mails.
If you post properly, it should show up.
By properly I mean fill in your name and e-mail correctly.

Dawn,

I’ll finish the other half of Murtha’s statement -we can’t win this war politically either. Maybe there was a time when we could, but not now.

The only thing a phased withdrawal from Iraq gains is a possible prevention of civil war in Iraq.

But since, with or without our military presence, Sunnis are 20% of the population, the probable cause for civil war in Iraq will remain.

No political outcomes beneficial to the US will result from this war with Saddam. Here is the poll question that would have prevented this war:

Do you support removing Saddam Hussein from power by military force in exchange for a Shiite dominated government that will be one of Iran’s strongest allies by the end of the next decade?

This is what we are getting in Iraq, whether we remain two years, two months or two days. And if civil war occurs, we’ll get Shiite atrocities against the Sunnis.

What did the Iraqi government say about allegations of torture against Sunnis? An exaggeration, no one died, and anyway, the Sunnis are butchers.

Yep, as soon as we’re gone, and no one is watching, of course we’ll get the Iraq nightmare scenario we shed blood to avoid.

Dawn:
“Why is it WE can’t get our heads around this ‘War on Terror’?”

In my opinion, because the administration took our eyes off of Al Qaeda to go into Iraq.

“Could it be because the Trade Centers were just buildings? Could it be that we really don’t see that the terrorists want US dead? After all they brought down buildings that they thought would destroy our economy and it failed. The people that died that day were just ‘collateral damage’?
It’s not really a ‘War’ because the enemy troops haven’t ‘landed’?
It isn’t personal enough?”

My friend died in the WTC on 9/11. Osama bin Laden orchestrated his death. Then my president tells the country he’s not that concerned about capturing the man who caused my friends death. It’s very personal to me, and it makes me extremely angry that our soldiers are fighting and dying in an unnecessary war for lies told by the president that had nothing to do with our enemies.

Dawn,

Didn’t you say about a month ago that people like Murtha were “aiding Al Qaeda”? At least I believe that was the title of your post.

Are you really tired of the fight? Or just tired of having your side get beat up?

Dawn,

Pretty good post. I agree most of our politicians just give us the flap that is popular for the day.

I, like you, want someone representing me that indeed has my (our) best interests at heart instead of spouting off what they think will get them through the election.

You touch on a LOT of points here, I’ll try to address the ones that hit home with me.

Why is it WE can’t get our heads around this ‘War on Terror’? Could it be because the Trade Centers were just buildings?

They weren’t just buildings, like you said they were seen as the center of our economy. But more than that…They were a part of America, something we were proud of. But even more importantly, they were full of people…people we love and people who matter. Just because someone doesn’t support this war in Iraq (and I don’t), doesn’t mean they think these were just buildings.

The people that died that day were just ‘collateral damage’?

No, no, no…In a way, I think we all died a little bit that day. It seems to have affected some more than others in that some were so bent on revenge they were ready to jump into any scenario they could in their own minds, link to 9/11. On this same token, are the more than 2000 lives lost in iraq since that day collateral damage? No…to me their lives are just as important and deserve no less anguish than those who were lost on 9/11, and they too…Matter.

Here’s a thought: What if it were our schools? What if they blew up all the High Schools in the San Francisco Bay Area (for example) on 9/11? What if they decided to blow up 200 Neighborhood Churches on any given Sunday? How about Hotels or Hospitals? Would it become personal then?

You seem to suggest that it would make a difference on whether or not we were lied to about our reasons for invading Iraq. No matter if it is the World trade Center, Schools, Neighborhood Churches Hotels or Hospitals…it DOES NOT,CAN NOT change the fact that it WAS NOT Iraq that did it.

You asked if it is not personal enough…It is darn well personal when I (you, All Americans) am blatantly lied to about something as serious, as personal and as paramount as war. It is definitely personal when we (collectively as a country) have spent the years since 9/11 focusing on fighting among ourselves rather than targeting Osama Bin Laden.

Will we never understand the depth of this fight until we are hit in the gut - in the ‘HeartLand’?

Again, We WERE hit in the gut - in the ‘Heartland! What hurts even more is when we are hit again and again by those claiming to represent us. It hurts even worse when we as citizens can’t even stand together to fight the real enemy….when we would rather spend trillions of dollars and countless lives to boost our own egos and pretend we are merely retaliating for a wrong done to us but yet we don’t want a mere 1% of our budget to go toward aiding our own citizens.

We should have sent negotiators instead of men with guns because it isn’t really a war?

I assume this is sarcasm and means those of us on the left who want you to try and understand what makes someone like Osama Bin laden or Al Qaida want to seek their own revenge on the United States.

In all the arguing since 9/11 I have NEVER heard 1 person say “it isn’t really a war.” Oh it is a war alright…the minute we invaded and started bombing Iraq it became a war.

Unfortunately, it seems to have become a war of another kind as well. One where Americans refuse to see what is in front of them in order to remain loyal to a political party, where families are divided, where long time friends can’t put aside political differences.

You wrote:

WatchBlog is unique because we get to hear from ALL sides on the same page.
I am asking for our standards to stay high. Curtail the bashing and learn to have better discussions.
I want WatchBlog to be the #1 site for Political enthusiasts and mature, intelligent debate.

I want that too. I certainly have not aimed my response at any particular party, because the bashing has indeed come from both sides of the political gamet.

I laud your call for us all to collectively find a way to end this madness and get our fellow countrymen…our soldiers back home.

Thanks Dawn,
sassyliberal

Mike,

WE DON’T. We do block commentors who fail to observe our Critique the Message, Not the Messenger Policy. And 99.9% of our participants support and abide by that policy. The few who can’t or won’t, get precisely what they deserve, an “invitation” to participate somewhere else.

George,

There are few of the old line Democrats left around Washington,…

i agree and find this very sad. In my opinion, the old line Democratic Party of the people would have won the last presidential election by a landslide. The only choices left to us today are in the third parties.

Dawn-

Check out these two articles from the Tribune Democrat (Johnstown, PA). I’m not sure they know what to make of all of this:

Murtha may lose support, GOP says

And Murtha’s heavily Democratic district – as well as his influence and talent for bringing home massive amounts of federal money – make a successful GOP challenge highly unlikely.

So they don’t think it’s about re-election. Again, the rumor is that he might retire anyway.

and

Murtha: Public wants troops out

“I’m trying to prevent another Vietnam, is what I’m trying to do,†Murtha said.

Maybe your right, and maybe he was really surprised that this would cause such a storm. But Murtha had to know that the anti-war crowd (and Al-Jazeera) was going to run with this, and that doesn’t help his friends over at the Pentagon.

I’m still confused.

Politicians become politicians because of their needy, self-aggrandizing personalities. They need attention, recognition, power over others, self-glorification and so on. Beneath the avowed devotion to ideals, values, principals, ad crapola, politicians love the process at least as much as the accomplishment. To be a part of the process, especially to lead the process of government, of determining life for others, is their real motivation. Likewise, hanging on to their role in that process and expanding it is often their deepest motivation. In their proper, tasteful suits and well-coifed gray hair— essentially and at root they are mostly all the same. We, the people, need to be cooly on guard against all of them.
**Think of their personality type in high school…the ones we often rolled our eyes at. They are now in control—because the rest of us just didn’t want the job…and they, with yearnng ambition, did.

CPAdams,

I’m not sure you could have used that poll before the war, or your predictions.
It’s easy to say what one would have done but it is always influenced by what has happened since the decision was made.
I think we should give the Iraqi’s a little credit.
We can imagine there will be a civil war. We can imagine Iraq will be buddy buddy with Iran.
We should at least wait until the December elections are concluded.

Burt,
I never said I completely agreed with Mr. Murtha. I imagine the man had had enough of the bickering and sees things differently than those who have not been in his shoes - even in his own party.
I still say that some of the things that are being said in our country ARE helping the enemy.
I just don’t think Murtha is one to do that intentionally.

George,
I think Mr. Murtha was just sick and tired of all the crap. Like many of us who claim not to tow the party line and repeat the talking points - on either ‘side’.
He may have called for the immediate pull out because he believes the troops are being hurt by the power struggle here at home. Hurt at home and abroad.
He may have re-worded some of the things he said. It was obvious the man was upset.

Adrienne,

I have a friend who was in the Pentagon that day .. luckily he was not hurt.

Schwamp What is an idiot? Someone who disagrees with you? Are you Mensa material?

tomh,
According to a July 1999 Gallup poll, 18% of Americans think the sun rotates around the earth. Over 20% dont know what country we gained independence from.
So you think poll answers are a worthwhile indicator of performance in Washington? As if the difference between 51% and 49% really means anything.

Murtha being a loyal democrat made his statement for San Fran Nan so that she could speak out of both corners of her mouth without taking out her dentures. Murtha is Pelosi’s right hand man when it comes to the DC politics.

We can’t wrap our minds around the war on terror because terror is not an ideology or a group. It is a weapon, that as been used by poorly armed and equipped people throughout history to defeat an enemy that they could not defeat militarily. A military victory over “terror” can only be achieved if you kill the “terrorists” faster then you make them. This is commonly called a war of attrition. For every “terrorist” we kill in Iraq we get one or two people from the family joining the insurgents to avenge the death of their family member.

I would like to see how the people in this country would respond if we were invaded by a foreign power. Would all of the NRA members hand in their guns and wait for the occupying force to choose another government for them? I bet they would take to the streets and try to drive out the occupying force no matter how noble their goals were.

Mike
If indeed u want this to be debate site - THEN Y DO U BLOCK CONSERVATIVE EMaILS THAT U DISAGREE WITH??

Steve Smith and me are the most conservitive people on this blog. We’re somewhere right of Atila the Hun.
We post a whole heap of things the Watchblog Editor don’t agree with. We don’t get blocked. A lot has to do with how you say something. You can attack anything someone says - Critiquing the message. But you CANNOT attack the person saying it - Critiquing the Messagenger. The last will get you ban from the site.

Editor, Don’t mean to be taking your job, but I thought if someone that makes neo-cons look liberial explianed it Mike might except it a little better.

We can’t wrap our minds around the war on terror because terror is not an ideology or a group. It is a weapon, that as been used by poorly armed and equipped people throughout history to defeat an enemy that they could not defeat militarily. A military victory over “terror†can only be achieved if you kill the “terrorists†faster then you make them. This is commonly called a war of attrition. For every “terrorist†we kill in Iraq we get one or two people from the family joining the insurgents to avenge the death of their family member.

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Very true man. It is an endless cycle of violence. Violence begets violence. Killing only breeds resentment and fear. How can you defeat fear? With peace, and love. Sounds cheesy, but thats what Christ said, and John Lennon. I prefer the music of Lennon, but christ sure could rock out…

Tree Hugger

Very true man. It is an endless cycle of violence. Violence begets violence. Killing only breeds resentment and fear. How can you defeat fear? With peace, and love. Sounds cheesy, but thats what Christ said, and John Lennon. I prefer the music of Lennon, but christ sure could rock out…

And a little MaryJane, and another ‘Summer of Love’, and peace riots, And f——— for peace, and all that other hippy garbage.
Although I’m still pissed about having to spend the Summer of Love in a counrty where the people wanted to kill me insted of love me.

Murtha visits Military Hospitals every week unlike most Republicans. While I am sure Conservatives are ok with armless GI’s who cannot get purple hearts due to friendly fire, Murtha was bothered by it.

Hi Dawn,

“Why is it WE can’t get our heads around this ‘War on Terror’?
Could it be because the Trade Centers were just buildings?”

Are you saying that Saddam attacked the world trade center? If not then can you understand that comments about Iraq aren’t necessarily tied to what happened on 9/11?

Are you one of these right wingers who thinks that everybody who disagrees with you about Iraq has forgotten 9/11?

Our troops in Iraq are fighting and dying to support a Prime Minister who is a member of an Iranian anti-American terrorist organization (the “Dawa” party).

Does it give you pause that our troops are fighting to support a fellow who is a member of an Iranian anti-American terrorist group?

Hi Dawn,

“I still say that some of the things that are being said in our country ARE helping the enemy.”

I suppose that’s true. Bush’s “bring em on” falls into that category. Rumsfeld’s “absence of evidence isn’t evidence of absence” makes the enemy think we’re so stupid that we’ve got to be easy targets.

True. I like the term “Deadenders” myself.

Dawn, Here’s what I love when republicans are rethinking their positions. A)calling them weathervanes and B)Saying I told ya’ so.

Now there’s the lying and the unwinnability of this sort of nation building war. there’s the fact that people will fight based on their own nationalism and even on a religious basis thus so was the history of Europe. There’s the connections to 9/11 and wmd that were just fear mongering in the face of intelligence facts.

Should we let the republicans off the hook even if many of them are starting to reconsider their positions? It was republican myopia!

Why do we give the republicans the wheel when it’s proven they don’t know how to drive???!!

I’m hearing so much reposturing in armchairs from the right, right now even when they claimed oh how much liberty they were bringing to that area with a side order of freedom fries. All their lies are unfurling and now the repubs (Not just dawn here)are starting to take notice. We went in with no pretense for war other than the assumption Saddam was either involved in 9/11 or had WMD, the CIA told you there was no eveidence for either.

Oh here’s my favorite new lie: There are Al Qaida there—well there are now!! We used their country and their streets and their livelihoods as a battingcage for terrorist insurgencies out of Iran/Syria/Palestine and now we are up to our armpits in militant Islamic radicals. And and and we still haven’t finished the job in Afghanistan Aaaand we haven’t done anything about proliferation of nuclear materials in Pakistan. I mean WTF these are the big issues And bigger than that the Hawallah banking/money transfer system coming out of Saudi Arabia. And I’ll bet if Osama is still alive that’s where he is, with his family in Saudi Arabia.

This whole thing has been a ideo-gogical misadventure and our highly dedicated men and women in uniform are bravely ready to stick it out. To some extent that’s a misuse of our forces from a political level or state policy level. That’s actually quite fair to say given they were used not only to overthrow Saddam’s regeim but to be waiting though well trained and armed targets for terrorists as they came across knowing full well they would, and everyday are streaming across borders with new Islamist extremists in their jihad.

WE gave their new policing forces little protection, in my assessment and maybe that’s not fair to say but it is apparent. There’s no running water in many cities and no electricity, no phones which is militarily planned. there are no civillians in war that’s real meaning casualties are just that. So the death toll on civillians are really more than any of us wants to admit. Also our use of soldiers of fortune in areas who come from such countries as Syria who regard nothing.

Or what about the Pentagon’s use of strange gay tortures and taking pictures of the man who killed many of their family members Saddam hussein in his underwear? Does this help us diplomatically somehow. And now it’s coming to light our use of torture in other countries which we’ve all known about for years and the beltway is just getting a whiff of.

A car bomb goes off and the militants come out and parade and a helicopter pounds them with a bomb that leaves a crater and a human body parts all over the asphalt. It’s hard to maintain a good guy image in the face of all that. And how do we utilize our hegemony anymore in that region globally? That which inspired the downfall of the berlin wall is now the scorn of that which we want to develop in this area. Our politicians have set such a bad precident with their policies.

There’s alot to reconsider, more than just what the right-wing even knows exists.

Dawn,
Great site. We all know the mainstream media has their own agenda and reports all of the bad stuff and not much of the good stuff. This brings them ‘ratings’. I have a friend who is a contractor in Iraq that told me that things over there are a whole lot better then the press reports. Iraq now has elections, many new schools (all that girls can go to), modern hospitals, an ever growing infrastructure, and many improvements on reported by the press. Murtha is just another whinning Democrat that has no answer or plan other than to try and make this administration look bad. He knew that he could bring himself better ‘ratings’ if he just threw a little stupidity into the mix. He also knows that no one in the press would call him to task, another simbolism over substance statement that had no meat. Sure we want , and will get, our troops home but not until the job is done. If we leave now those 2000+ KIAs would be for nothing. Murtha would have been more received by conservatives and right thinking people had he gave us his plan. But he has no plan just like the rest of his party, cut and run people who thinks it’s better to hug the bully on the playground to make him like them only to find out the very next day he stole their lunch money and ran their underwear up the flag pole just like the day before. To fix that problem they should have just beat the fire out of him the first time it happened. Thats what we’re trying to do in Afganistan and Iraq.
As far as the poll-neither

Schwamp,
You may be right that all Americans are idiots; however, it is our alienable right to be ignorant. It is and never has be our right in America to be stupid. And IMO that is why the Republicans is so outraged over the remarks of Representative Murtha. Because now the questions placed before the Halls of Conress is not do you support the war on Iraq and Terror, but how dumb was it of President Bush and Company to link winning the peace in Iraq with the war on Terror?

And what is really sad is the fact that 51% of the population in America believed the BS back in 2002. Why else would the Republicans hold power in all three seats of the People’s House? Why is the Media still jammed up on being so stupid that they do not know or understand the difference between a complete redeployment and a total withdraw? Do they not teach them the meanings of words in school? So you may be right about the way in which we as a society view ourselves. However, I do know that it is the reason that “We the People” are governed the way we are and that it is set in stone.

Henry,

I don’t believe the GOP was “outraged over the remarks of Representative Murtha.” I believe they were scared. They knew that the Cheney slime wagon would get in gear, and they were worried that this time it wouldn’t stick. Murtha is nearly unassailable in defense matters and is liked and trusted on both sides of the aisle.

Quite the problem for any Republican with half a mind and half a soul left.

LouisXIV,

I have never thought that Saddam had anything to do with 9/11.
I don’t know exactly how long you have been posting here but I believe you have jumped to conclusions about me that are not accurate.

Why do you call yourself ‘LouisXIV’?
I have my own ideas but instead of posting them I would like to hear from you. I wouldn’t want to assume something unfairly.

I think the GOP is more afraid of the attention this is getting. The House Debate on Murtha was high drama and entertainment at its best. The last thing Rove wants are those “Desperate Housewives” watchers tuning in to CSPAN and paying attention. When the average idiot starts asking questions, Republicans are doomed.

Dave,
The GOP’s actions to bring to the floor the resolution to withdraw troops from Iraq was an attempt in using the “Roberts Rules” to keep Representative Murtha’s resolution from being heard. Nice trick if the Cheney/Rove plan would of worked.

However, given the latest news out of Iraq and a lack of imagination of the administration to foresee or at best plan for the future combined with the Natural Course of Human Events that started when President Bush was once again on vacation has lead to the crossroads that according to Senator Biden and others risk our national security.

It is for this reason that the House GOP should be slammed by the Media. Rep. Murtha’s prosposal would of put on the Floor of the House of Representatives a motion that would of lead to a full and complete discloser of the Administrations handling of Iraq since the last public hearings in 2004 when according to Senator Hagel the administration was found to be “Totally Incompetent” in it’s handling of the removal of Saddam. Should not Congress and We the People know where we stand today so that we can figure out what is to be our next steps in Iraq and the War on Terror?

Dawn,
Good article; however, you left one of your list.

ALL THE ABOVE And although our political system is being exploited right now by a bunch of children it does not mean it does not work. The problem is we need to reeducate the general public on how to use it. So please both sides make as much noise as you can over what is going on in Iraq. For it is with this effort that Bloggers can have the nest effect on our government.

BTW, I agree with you about Watchblog,com being one of the better sites. So my question to the Democrats and Republicans is a simple request. Can you prove that “Staying the Course” or “Playing Politics” is better for our Nation than using the powers of “We the People” to find out exactly what is going on in Iraq and our effort to win the War on Terror? I wait to here from both sides given the fact that I have stated several places on this site where I stand on the issue.

Hi Dawn,

“I have never thought that Saddam had anything to do with 9/11.”

Thanks for the clarification. The way you tied the war in Iraq with the “war on terror” made it seem as if you thought that going into Iraq was tied with fighting against those who attacked us on 9/11.

You seemed to be aligning themselves with the right wing useful idiots who believe the “Have you Forgotten” song.

“Why do you call yourself ‘LouisXIV’?”

When coming up with a pseudonym I thought of the great French Monarch who helped bring about civilization as we know it.

“I have my own ideas but instead of posting them I would like to hear from you.”

I think that occupying Iraq is a major distraction from the war on terror. We’ve got massive military resources fighting a small number of insurgents and the insurgents aren’t losing. It would be hard to come up with a less effective use for the massive military resrources we have tied up in Iraq.

I think we’ll be stuck in Iraq for years to come and it will contribute heavily to our monetary and spiritual bankruptcy.

“Can you prove that “Staying the Course” or “Playing Politics” is better for our Nation than using the powers of “We the People” to find out exactly what is going on in Iraq and our effort to win the War on Terror?”

Prove? I doubt it.

Playing Politics benefits who exactly?
The politicians and the parties they belong to.

Staying the Course?
Setting up forces and a government and bringing home our troops. (In Afghanistan and Iraq.)
Continuing to hunt down terror suspects.(Which is really going on.)
Working with the Middle East governments to encourage peace and freedom for their people. (This takes time.)

‘We the People’?
In some cases our ‘right to know’ should not come before our ‘right to be safe’.
It’s not like ‘We the People’ get encrypted e-mails that cannot be read by our enemies.

It will be interesting to see who takes the credit for the announcement today about bringing some troops home from Iraq.
The Republicans will say it is part of the plan and Democrats will claim a victory for their side because they have been calling for troops to come home and the Rep. are finally doing what they said.
Politics as usual?

This is a mess that took decades, centuries, to be created. It’s not like these problems can be fixed in a matter of a few years.
It takes the right mixture of Politics of Peace and Politics of Force.
One or the other was not going to work.
Drop shipping supplies to earthquake and Tsunami victims, removing one regime and one dictator, and simply telling people we are here to help is not enough to remove the decades of being convinced that everything wrong in the Middle East is the ‘Big Bad U.S.’s’ fault.
Things we think are ‘wrong’ - like treating women like animals and not letting girls go to school are seen as the way things are supposed to be.
I don’t know the numbers, but, how many people in the Middle East really have no clue what goes on in the rest of the world - except what they’ve been told? Told by the people who control them.
Similar to North Korea?
‘North Korea compares George W. Bush to Hitler’

from article:
“”The US admonition for `freedom’ and `democracy’ is to invent pretexts for violating [the] sovereignty of other countries and nations and establishing its unchallenged domination over the world,” the North’s official Korean Central News Agency (KNCA) wrote on late Monday.”

I imagine most of their people think the rest of the world still use donkeys and never actually saw a television set.

Nobody ever said this was going to be easy.

“Why is it WE can’t get our heads around this ‘War on Terror’?”

Because terrorism is a tactic not an enemy in and of itself.

Would you wage war on karate if your enemy was Jackie Chan?

Dawn,
Your statement above was actuallt true about 40 years ago; however, the problem our Elders are having today is the fact that not only does American Youth see the ignorance in the way we are governed, but more and more average citizens in the world are finding out. Why do you think that countries like China want to limit the knowledge their people have access to.

Although I can see the argument on both sides of this issue, is a Non-Solution offered by our World Leaders and those who use Terrorist tactics to address the prolbem. You can see this in the why our Media is covering Iraq, Katrina, and a host of other issues.

What is Right and True. Watergate once was a cornerstone of journalism as a reason to investigate things. Today, the main media is back in lock-step with whatever our politicans say and do. Safety is one thing, but wouldn’t it be nice to hear the Truth on the nightly news instead of an opinion?

Mike Woolsey,
IMO this is were President Bush screwed up. By linking Winning the Peace in Iraq with the War of Terror and using his policies to keep them on the same field does no one any justice. Since terrorism is a tactic used by those who know of no other way to have their voices heard.

Finding a way to allow these voices in all Nations of Humanity’s Civilization and addressing them in a reasonable and logical manner by the American Society should be our goal. For history and Human Nature proves that while beating some one into submission works in the short term, the long term prosperity of the society and nations that use such tactics go nowhere. Can you name me one national power that has used oppression methods of governing which has not found civil unrest attempting to overthrow it?

I’m glad none of you were around whining during WW2, or you wouldn’t have the right to whine publicly today. The founding fathers must be turning over in their graves because of all the spineless liberals trying to get back into power and have no agenda except to criticize. We don’t have a draft! The soldiers that are serving volunteered, or didn’t you know that? If they volunteered to get a pay check - too bad. Some of my family served during WW2 and my son joined the Air Force in the 80’s. He would have been humiliated if I wrote or called anyone demanding that he come home from serving his country.

Charlene,

At the start of WW2 we were attacked by the growing axis powers—Three nations one of which was attacking England and already had invaded Poland and France. Iraq attacked Kuwait for a week fifteen years ago. They had nothing to do with 9/11 or terrorism. Saudi Arabia, Palestine and Iranian Clerics have more to do with terror than Iraq. True, logistically true.

This was abouit nation building. Bringing down a country’s despotical leader (although amiable) is what we did in response to us being attacked. We went to the haerdware store to go get groceries essentially. the war to get Al Qaida was needed but the war to get the white whale in the face of threats abroad was stupid and wasteful. I mean I was happy to see Saddam caught but that still doesn’t do anything for the nuclear proliferation problems coming out of Russia/Pakistan nor does it get Osama who is probably in Saudi Arabia (if alive) getting kous-kous stuck in his beard.

We abandoned the war on terror on a pipedream and what happened to us on 9/11.

DAWN is trying to make the arguement that the terror war if it were more invasive here in the US it would be intolerable SO WHY NOT INVADE THE WRONG COUNTRY OVER IT?? That is precisely what she is saying Iraq and it’s civillian cities are being used as a batting cage for terror insurgeants coming across borders but we atre not going to their bases.

They recruit the world over and we are still in one position waiting on the next assault. That’s our strategy, the sitting duck maneuver while at the same time TRYING TO NATION BUILD!!!!!

It’s fourty birds with one stone, we either fight and not nation build or nation build and get those borders secure in every way possible.

WE also riolled in there AND while the cities were still on fire Wolfowitz laid off hundreds of thousands of people. WHO still today are out of work and can’t feed their families and have no electricity or heat or phones. I guess some people can’t see why they would have anger issues too. So the young men are now fighting the insurgeancy knowing full well that before the invasion they had just gotten their economy back in order and America came in and decimated their livelihoods and probably killed their relatives in our loving awe of the first bombing called “Shock and Awe” which fell right on civillian heads.

Republicans are evil pampered beings and forever shall be.

“Republicans are evil pampered beings and forever shall be.”

Wow. Is that in the talking points or did you come up with it yourself?
Pampered .. Hmmm… Nope. Not me. Not my family. Hard working people here. Wasn’t born with a silver spoon in my mouth.

How many have signed your ‘Give Saddam HIS Country Back’ petition?