Tony Blankley's "Nightmare Scenario" Coming True?

Is Europe transforming into a bloody urban battleground, between Islam and the West?

That’s what Tony Blankley makes the case for in his prophetic new book, The West’s Last Chance. With the suburbs in Paris literally exploding, Blankley’s notion may become reality.

Blankley claims Europe could be overwhelmed by Islamic militancy due to its growing Islamic population and the ultra-tolerant/self-hate doctrine of Multiculturalism allowing it to happen. Multiculturalism allows for massive and uncontrolled immigration. This is what the Right-wing French lawmaker Philippe de Villiers claims the current Paris riots stem from.

Europe is in peril. Birth rates are plummeting to frightening lows for indigenous Europeans but are growing exponentially for Islamic immigrants. Massive immigration from North Africa leaves countries such as Spain, Malta, and Italy hamstrung. Meanwhile, the European models of multiculturalism in The Netherlands, United Kingdom, and now France are being challenged.

But, with more events like the murder Theo van Gogh, more politicians like Pym Fortuyn, more attacks like in Madrid or London, and more riots like these in the Parisian suburbs, could Europe rebound from possible oblivion? Could Europe wake up from the "Matrix"?

All across Europe, the Far Right is on the rise.

Geert Wilders, a conservative Dutch politician, thrusted into International prominence shortly after the murder of Theo van Gogh; his popularity shooting through the roof. A few months ago, the far-right Progress Party became the second biggest political party Norway. And in London, the British National Party is growing because working-class Whites feel the mainstream political parties no longer represent them.

Jean-Marie Le Pen's National Front, representing the far right in French politics, has been somewhat quiet about their view on the riots in France. They are simply watching and waiting. I think after these riots, many French people may view The National Front as the only political party with viable solutions to France's culture clash. In the 2002 elections Le Pen shocked France as he came in second in the polls, behind only Jacques Chirac. Imagine what the 2007 elections could hold.

I like to think of these riots in the Parisian suburbs as an appetizer of what is to come between Europe and its Islam population. Conditions are expected to deteriorate. Not just in France, but in the entire Western world.

Tony Blankley's nightmare scenario may not be as far fetched as I thought.

Put your seat belt on.

Posted by Mike Tate at November 4, 2005 12:36 AM
Comments
Comment #90369

Mike;

Wow… I bet you don’t even realize how racist your post is.

Posted by: Dave at November 3, 2005 10:31 PM
Comment #90372

Islam is not a race. It is a religion.

And since you want to discuss racism, it is a religion which says that Jews are pigs and monkeys and that it is the duty of believers to cut off the heads of those who don’t adhere to the teachings of the prophet.

Mike’s post merely discusses the possibility that a great and terrible conflict may be coming between two ways of looking at the world. He’s not calling for it or happy about it so far as I can tell.

Posted by: sanger at November 3, 2005 10:49 PM
Comment #90375

What we have here is a failure to understand that when certain thresholds are crossed, often nothing happens. You have to have a critical mass in some place for that really to work out. I don’t think it’s there.

Let’s not stomp a bunch of grassfires. If everybody judged racial integration by all the mayhem that happened in the fifties and sixties, one might thing progress would have slowed to the point that “colored” water fountains might have remained. Europe is experiencing those kinds of growing pains now.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 3, 2005 11:14 PM
Comment #90377

Stephen,

“If everybody judged racial integration by all the mayhem that happened in the fifties and sixties, one might thing progress would have slowed to the point that “colored” water fountains might have remained. Europe is experiencing those kinds of growing pains now.”

On the other hand, we may be seeing a re-emergence of Facism, that will make WW2 seem child’s play by comparison.

Posted by: Rocky at November 3, 2005 11:27 PM
Comment #90386

if you don’t stomp grass fires…you end up with forest fires like the ones that hit California a few years ago…anybody heard of the “snowball theory” Stephen?

Posted by: Robert at November 4, 2005 12:16 AM
Comment #90387

Oh and Dave…there are MANY different races who practice Islam, or do you think that Southern Baptists are only Black? Or Lutherans are only German? Who are the ones who don’t have “open minds”?

Posted by: Robert at November 4, 2005 12:19 AM
Comment #90389

Doesn’t Michael Savage believe in this theory or something to the effect of it? That liberalism and multiculturalism will lead to the problems we’re seeing now in western Europe? Interesting that we see it playing out (and thankfully not in our country).

Posted by: Robert at November 4, 2005 12:21 AM
Comment #90403

Mike,

This is what the Right-wing French lawmaker Philippe de Villiers claims the current Paris riots stem from.

Philippe De Villiers is far-right, like Le Pen. Sarkozy is more and more far-right than right these days too, BTW.

Posted by: Philippe Houdoin at November 4, 2005 5:02 AM
Comment #90409

Let us all not forget that Christianity called for the burning of Witches and the Slavery of Negroes. Not to mention that the biggest abuser of Jews in history were Christians.

Posted by: Aldous at November 4, 2005 6:29 AM
Comment #90412

Dave - My post racist? You HAVE to be kidding me…

Posted by: Mike Tate at November 4, 2005 7:14 AM
Comment #90413

Aldous:

As is often the case, when we resort to labels, we find the labels woefully inadequate to define the people or actions we are trying to define. So too with your comments.

Religions have often been misused in order to bolster ideas and to justify actions. It is inaccurate to label all terrorists in Iraq followers of Islam, when they pervert that religion. It is equally inaccurate to label people as Christians when they pervert that religion for their own good.

Posted by: joebagodonuts at November 4, 2005 7:17 AM
Comment #90419

Just how long have you ever lived in a European country? I would suspect nil from your comments. I am originally from Atlanta, but lived in Europe some 5 years after college. I can tell you quite frankly that I never witnessed in Europe the racism, bigotry and hate that I grew up around in the South. Before you go on about the demise of Europe and the onslaught of Islam, check your stats on the number of homicides, abandoned children, poverty rates, life span, infant deaths and you will see that the USA is far behind Europe. The greatest holacaust in history was implemented by Christian nations. The anger you see among Moslems today is routed in 2 causes: Palestine and US Oil Policy.

Posted by: Mike Tracy at November 4, 2005 8:34 AM
Comment #90420

Sanger, Robert, Rocky;

1st - the exclusion of the muslims in France is racially based. They are predominently dark skinned and treated similarly as Alabamans and other slave states treated their former slaves. The religious headgear and facial hair only exacerbates the prejudices.

2nd - the riots are ECONOMIC not RELIGIOUS.

3rd - I despise islamofascists even more than I dislike christalibans. Again, religion has little to do with the riots. associating the two is kind of like attacking Iraq because of Al Queda.

4th - historically, Jews were referred to as a “race.” Doesn’t make it accurate, but the use of the term is (a) within vernacular usage for the purpose and (b) irrelevent to the topic.

Mike;

Yes, No. re: the causes of the riots per CNN:
“Much of the rioting has occurred in areas heavily populated by poor African Muslim immigrants and their French-born children who are weary of poverty, crime, poor education and unemployment.

The unrest has drawn attention to simmering discontent among much of France’s Muslim population — at an estimated 5 million, Western Europe’s largest — many of whom often complain of job discrimination and police harassment.”

daily life trumps generalities of political positions every time.

Posted by: Dave at November 4, 2005 8:49 AM
Comment #90426

Mike Tracy,

What has Palestine or US oil policy to do with the violence in the Philipines and Russia?

The anger is neither confined to the United States, nor does it permeate the whole of Islamists. It is a radical segment of a religious population that has nothing more to do with religion as it does politics. Its politics is both primitive and selfish.

They do however find in Europe a most receptive and supportive audience for their violent hatred when they direct it toward America.

Posted by: jo at November 4, 2005 9:01 AM
Comment #90427

Dave,

Don’t take the “Muslims are bad” wind out of their sails.

Sanger,

“Mike’s post merely discusses the possibility that a great and terrible conflict may be coming between two ways of looking at the world. He’s not calling for it or happy about it so far as I can tell.”


Still trying to persuade the world that all muslims are bad and all Christians are good?
He may not be happy about it but he sure as hell, with your assistance, is promoting the war against Islam.
We went to war against terror, the bigots have slowly turned it into the war against all Arabs and muslims.
This is exactly what the Muslims feared after 9/11.

Posted by: Andre M. Hernandez at November 4, 2005 9:10 AM
Comment #90428

As kctim said yesterday, it’s all the U.S.’s fault.

Posted by: George in SC at November 4, 2005 9:16 AM
Comment #90434

The snowball effect only takes place if people have been surpressing the small flareups, instead of strategically letting some burn to reduce the fuel. If things get out of control in Europe, it will be because they have stored up a great deal of resentment that these people cannot find ways to legitimately vent.

That is the beauty of our country, and the reason we don’t have the unrest that other nations do. Racism, sexism, and sectarianism exist in our country, but they have far less legal authority to impose themselves on any one group. That is why we should protect the separation of church and state, why we should slide back into the prejudices of old, or institutionalize new ones.

The best way to keep the lid on resentment is not to let it build to the point where the fuel for the fire creates a critical situation. It takes a critical mass of instigators, and strong influence between them and others to create these situations

If the French had been smart, their strategy would have been to go in and address the problems, and curtail potential controversies. they need to forge bonds of common interest with the Muslim population, so that those ties will inhibit breaches of the peace and radicalism.

Crackdowns and the rest will only aggravate things. Once peace is reestablished, there needs to be some serious talks and policy changes. Without them, you will see this happen again and again.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 4, 2005 9:40 AM
Comment #90435

Why we should not slide back, pardon me.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 4, 2005 9:41 AM
Comment #90438

Mike:

You wrote:

“All across Europe, the Far Right is on the rise.”

Had to read that line twice… at first, I thought you had mistakenly typed “Europe” when you intended to type “United States.”

Of course, I realise, the Far Right is not on the rise in the United States; rather, it has gained complete control of the Federal government. Hopefully, the Europeans will learn from the abyss into which the Far Right has taken the United States: a place where God is small & impotent; hatemongers are called “people of faith”; lying is called political leadership; dissent is treason; ignorance & greed are called virtues; biogtry & injustice are called a judicial philosophy; astrology & mythology is called science; lying and obstruction of justice are not crimes; and armed aggression is called patriotism.

One must pray the Europeans will be smarter than Americans and will send the Far Right back to the garbage heap of history from which it arose.

Posted by: Dr. Poshek at November 4, 2005 9:47 AM
Comment #90440

Does anybody remember the Watts riots? The Chicago riots? The riots after Rodney King? All of them were economically based - not political or religious. People who are hungry, jobless, who watch thier children suffer - they will act out based on needs, not politics, not religion. Granted, there is usually a catylst to start the trouble, but generally, the anger is already there.

Aldous,
I really despise your antagonism towards Christians. I’m a Christian. A Bible thumping, church going, tithing Christian. You don’t know me or anyone at my church. You probably have not darkened the door of a church in years. How dare you critize and impune what you obviously know little to nothing about? YOUR intolerance creats more ill will than any Christian, Muslim, Hindu, or Jew I know. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Posted by: Ilsa at November 4, 2005 9:53 AM
Comment #90441

Mike, you are not correct in saying that europe has lower poverty rates that the US. US poverty rates stand at 11% and Europe stands at 15%. Unemployment is a lot higher in europe than it is in the US. The difference is that Europe has lower inequality. However I susspect if those people rioting had to go to work the next day, they may curtail their activities sooner.

Posted by: Miguel at November 4, 2005 9:53 AM
Comment #90443

The popular position of blaming everything on the US will not long continue to prop up empty ‘progressive’ political parties around the world much longer. i hope any knee-jerk reactionaries throwing all the blame on multi-culturalism will also be short-lived.

Both peaceful stability and Multi-culturalism are desireable. At this moment, despite the world animosity, America has one of the better approaches to the problem with equality supoorted in letter if not totally in practice. Wisely managing immigrant populations is a start and we have acknowledged much needed border security work ahead.

What we have not yet addressed is the emptiness of individual liberties when separated from cultural/religious freedom. Both the US and France have the beginnings of a solution in Common Interest Communities.

They remain however, parasitic luxuries of the wealthy draining the overall society and culture rather than reaching toward the promise of increased national strength and world stability which CANNOT be achieved without extending the opportunities to the middle and lower classes of our societies.

Posted by: jo at November 4, 2005 9:57 AM
Comment #90447

Ilsa:
I believe Aldous was speaking of persons who call themselves Christians and act in an unchristian-like manner. History (both ancient and recent) speaks for itself: much evil has been perpetrated by so-called Christians in the name of Jesus.

I would suggest Jesus would not recognize most who call themselves Christians and, indeed, he must wonder where he went wrong in his ministry that so many have dishonored his teachings and his name.

Posted by: Dr. Poshek at November 4, 2005 10:10 AM
Comment #90453

Jo, I share your opinions.
Except that you write them way better than me ;-)

Posted by: Philippe Houdoin at November 4, 2005 10:25 AM
Comment #90455

Blankley claims Europe could be overwhelmed by Islamic militancy due to its growing Islamic population and the ultra-tolerant/self-hate doctrine of Multiculturalism allowing it to happen. Multiculturalism allows for massive and uncontrolled immigration.

Damn Mike, If you didn’t say you were talking about Europe, I’d of thought you were talking about the US. Except I don’t know if Islamic militancy is a problem here yet.


Posted by: Ron Brown at November 4, 2005 10:29 AM
Comment #90463

“ultra-tolerant/self-hate doctrine of Multiculturalism” are code words of the modern skinhead. Be careful who you quote.

Posted by: Dave at November 4, 2005 10:50 AM
Comment #90464

joebagodonuts
Religions have often been misused in order to bolster ideas and to justify actions. It is inaccurate to label all terrorists in Iraq followers of Islam, when they pervert that religion. It is equally inaccurate to label people as Christians when they pervert that religion for their own good.

Your right, unfortunatly their are a lot of people that CLAIM to be Christians that have NO IDEA of what TRUE Christianity is all about.
True Christiananity has NEVER
started a war.
tolarated racism.
persecuted any other religion.
tolarated greed.
True Christianity is a way of life and is about doing the things that Christ taught.
Nothing more, Nothing less.

Posted by: Ron Brown at November 4, 2005 10:52 AM
Comment #90466

Ron:

Beautifully said….

Posted by: Dr. Poshek at November 4, 2005 10:57 AM
Comment #90482

This not economical!

see here

Posted by: Jimf at November 4, 2005 12:42 PM
Comment #90495

Ron Brown wrote:
Your right, unfortunatly their are a lot of people that CLAIM to be Christians that have NO IDEA of what TRUE Christianity is all about.
______________________

Just out of curiosity, what’s true Islam all about? And, are the terrorists in Iraq and elsewhere following it?!

Posted by: rahdigly at November 4, 2005 1:19 PM
Comment #90500

Ron:

I agree 100% with your comments. I may not have conveyed myself well enough to show that. It is relatively easy to become a Christian (one needs simply to ask Christ into their life as their Saviour), but living up to the ideal of Christianity is impossible. As far as I can tell, only one person has ever lived up to the ideal. (Hint: it wasn’t me, it’s not you :)

Rahdigly:

Just out of curiosity, what’s true Islam all about? And, are the terrorists in Iraq and elsewhere following it?!

I won’t suggest that I know a lot about Islam. But I can say that if the terrorists are truly following “true Islam”, then it is a horrible religion. I don’t think they are following it—rather, I think they are perverting the true meaning of Islam to suit their purposes, just as skinheads and Nazis among others pervert Christianity to suit their purposes.

I think many of the terrorists deeply believe in their cause. The depth of their belief, however, does not make their cause right. I can fervently believe that 1+1=5, but I would be wrong. So are the terrorists.

Posted by: joebagodonuts at November 4, 2005 1:47 PM
Comment #90527

joebagodonuts
As far as I can tell, only one person has ever lived up to the ideal. (Hint: it wasn’t me, it’s not you :)

Aint that the truth!

Posted by: Ron Brown at November 4, 2005 2:51 PM
Comment #90571

Quoting:
joebagodonuts
Religions have often been misused in order to bolster ideas and to justify actions. It is inaccurate to label all terrorists in Iraq followers of Islam, when they pervert that religion. It is equally inaccurate to label people as Christians when they pervert that religion for their own good.

Significant distinction between Islam and Christianity here. Christ was non-violent and sacrificed himself to save others, encouraging his followers to do the same. Christianity spread by each individual being personally convinced that his claims were true. Later, a perversion produced the “basis” for the violence we see in Christ’s name. As Christians refocus on the original teachings of Jesus, they become peaceable. In the Protestant Reformation, it was the established, perverted version that was persecuting the “originalist-purists” not the otherway around.
Mohammed used the sword to kill, rape, and subjugate unbelievers. Islam spread by forcibly taking territory and demanding allegiance. The present-day peaceful Muslims are adhering less stringently to the teachings of their prophet and the “radicals” are more like Mohammed lived and taught. The “originalist-purists” are returning to the model of conquering and subjugating unbelievers.

I wish it weren’t so but OBL could be synonymous to Martin Luther.

Posted by: JustinCase at November 4, 2005 5:29 PM
Comment #90573

Robert,

You are correct Michael Savage has stated opinions such as this one. He has also said that, “Europeans have invented 99% of the world’s medicine!” I guess he must have forgotten Asia. You know, it being so small and having such a few amounts of people. What you don’t understand is that he is an idiot. I really don’t think it is his fault. He just has not evolved like some of us have. I know, most of you don’t believe in evolution, so it doesn’t really matter. But it does to me. All I hear about is that we are in a “Holy War” with the Muslims. Why is it that Christians have to be at war with somebody?

You know, I was told when it was in the theatres to see “The Passion of the Christ.” People said it “Changed” them and it helped them believe. Sorry if you think a movie can do that; you might want to ask God for another chromosome. My point is this. In that movie (and supposedly in the bible) Jesus is beaten to a bloody pulp and says, “Love thy neighbor.” Why is it that you think it is alright to do the opposite? You want the 10 Commandments in the courtroom, but refuse to follow the only two that are illegal. Thou shall not kill and thou shall not steal. If you really believe in what Christ teaches (hence the word Christianity), and what Moses or whoever wrote on a bunch of stone tablets then you should follow them. Instead, you and those right wing nut-jobs on the radio find every way to bend the rules.

Posted by: Vic at November 4, 2005 5:37 PM
Comment #90576


One last thing…

The difference between Muslims and Christians is simple. Muslims practice their religion like it was written from the beginning. Christians practice theirs after it has been bastardized by people like Pat Robertson.

Posted by: vic at November 4, 2005 5:46 PM
Comment #90580

“The difference between Muslims and Christians is simple. Muslims practice their religion like it was written from the beginning. Christians practice theirs after it has been bastardized by people like Pat Robertson.”

Congratulations vic, this is one of the most inane statements I’ve read in quite awhile. Do you think Catholics in this country or any other give a hoot in hell what some circus clown like Pat Robertson thinks? For that matter, 95% of Protestants?

Pat Robertson and other TV preachers influence perhaps a few hundred thousand pathetic elderly people who if they weren’t sending TV Revs money, would be getting fleeced by snake oil salesmen. The only other people who listen to him are the lunatic left and the same lazy media who think Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton speak for black Americans.

Posted by: Brian at November 4, 2005 6:04 PM
Comment #90581

Vic
You want the 10 Commandments in the courtroom, but refuse to follow the only two that are illegal. Thou shall not kill and thou shall not steal.

How are these illegal? I must’ve been sleeping when the preacher explained that in church.

Posted by: Ron Brown at November 4, 2005 6:20 PM
Comment #90582

The liberal policy, decades old, of pushing non-White immigrants into France is reaping rewards with a vengeance. Non-White riots, sparked off by the deaths of two North African burglars after they broke into a power sub station, which have plagued parts of Paris for over a week, have spread into new areas and outside the capital for the first time.

On Thursday, the violence spread to the central town of Dijon. There are also reports of incidents in the Rouen area, to the west of Paris, and in the Bouches-du-Rhone region near Marseilles in the south.

Non-White rioters in all the regions have set alight buildings and cars and buses in the eighth consecutive night of rioting.

Cars were torched in the eastern city of Dijon, and sporadic unrest was reported in south and west France.

In the greater Paris region, the non-White rioting occurred in several towns to the north-east and west of the capital, including Aulnay-sous-Bois.

Most of the attacks took place in the largely immigrant area of Seine-Saint-Denis, where about 1,300 police had been deployed.

As on previous nights, gangs of non-Whites armed with bricks and sticks have been roaming the streets of housing estates.

In the reported incidents:

- Police say as many as 400 cars were set on fire

- Shots were fired at riot police, slightly wounding five officers

- A group of officers were targeted near a synagogue in the Seine-Saint-Denis area of Stains, where a primary school was partially burned

- More than 100 firefighters fought a blaze at a carpet warehouse in Aulnay-sous-Bois; another warehouse was also set alight in Le Blanc Mesnil area

- Twenty-seven buses were burned at Trappes depot in Yvelines, west of Paris.

The multi-cultural experiment is collapsing before everyone’s eyes. Now comes the hard part: achieving political power to ensure that these non-Whites are all returned to their country of origin, as this is the only way in which such scenes can be prevented.

Media Links

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4405620.stm

Posted by: NatAll at November 4, 2005 6:24 PM
Comment #90583

vic
The difference between Muslims and Christians is simple. Muslims practice their religion like it was written from the beginning. Christians practice theirs after it has been bastardized by people like Pat Robertson.

Once again I don’t know where you get your information.
True Christians, not the ones that claim to be for their own profit, don’t follow Robertson, Fallwell, Swaggart, or any other preacher. They follow only one person. And that person is Jesus.
They follow HIS teachings and HIS only.

Posted by: Ron Brown at November 4, 2005 6:27 PM
Comment #90586

“Blankley claims Europe could be overwhelmed by Islamic militancy due to its growing Islamic population and the ultra-tolerant/self-hate doctrine of Multiculturalism allowing it to happen.”

It’s amazing to me how liberalism - in this case, ultra-tolerance and multiculturalism - is always made the culprit of whatever happens.

This is all wrong. Muslims are not much different from Christians and Jews. They believe in the same God and in the same Prophets. They are no more aggressive than those of any other religion.

The Al-Qaeda guys are not religious. They have hijacked their religion in order to gain power. This is similar to what the religious Right is doing in the U.S.

The riots in France are caused by the same conditions that caused the riots in the U.S.: lack of jobs, miserable living conditions, disrespect and disinterest.

The answer is simple: Help these minorities and treat them as important citizens. DON’T START SCREAMING ABOUT WAR.

Posted by: Paul Siegel at November 4, 2005 6:44 PM
Comment #90597

Dave;

Wow…I bet you don’t even realize how far you have your head in the sand.

Posted by: Julie at November 4, 2005 7:22 PM
Comment #90604

Actually, Julie, I would bet some serious cash that your head is someplace else, and far deeper.

Paul,
I agree, multiculturalism is a scapegoat to those who have little confidence in themselves, need someone to blame for ther problems or weaknesses, have a blatant or subconscious bigotry, or some combination thereof. But, as for tolerant religions, all three religions, in their older and more literal contexts, are pretty harsh.

Posted by: Dave at November 4, 2005 7:43 PM
Comment #90605

Any fusion of diverse cultures on a large scale will breed tension. The European melting pot has become the breading ground for Islamic extremism. Mikes post is not racism, as Islam is not a race. In addition, he is not saying all or any Islamic groups are in themselves bad. In any group it is only the “radical” ones that catch the public eye. There are those Muslims who maintain a philosophy of peace, despite the hateful teachings of an extremist minority. Minorities can and in this case have caused substantial occurrences. After all, the American drive for independence rested not with the common man, but with a select few. Unfortunately, unlike the founding fathers, Islamic terrorists seek not liberation from British taxation, but the promotion of a warped and hateful version of Islam, with promotes the annihilation of nonconforming cultures. We must continue the war against radicalism to promote tranquility both at home and abroad.

Posted by: Joseph at November 4, 2005 7:44 PM
Comment #90612

Joseph,

The riots were economically and discrimination based, much like American urban riots of the 60’s. They were no based on religion, but on the fact they have dark skin. I challenged him on the racism card because of his familiar use of many of the terms used by racist authors. E.g:
-Europe could be overwhelmed
-massive and uncontrolled immigration.
-Europe is in peril. Birth rates are plummeting to frightening lows for indigenous Europeans but are growing exponentially for Islamic immigrants.

These are all code words for ‘racial impurity’ and ‘loss of white power’ etc… As I said, he just doesn’t know it.

Natall, on the other hand, probably does know it.

Posted by: Dave at November 4, 2005 8:18 PM
Comment #90616

France has an unemployment rate that is nearly twice that of the U.S. In fact, the U.S. has almost NEVER faced the high employment rates that France has endured for more than a decade. Idle hands, etc.

France has a problem of integrating immigrants. It is nothing for Americans to gloat about. But it should be a lesson to Americans who narcissistically like to blame themselves for everything that everything is not their fault.

It is a big problem of integration in Europe. The first generation of Muslims remembered the rotten places they left behind. The next generation began to forget and by the third generation they have managed to convince themselves that they left paradise. Now they just have a feeling of anger and entitlement. Putting them to work would help them see the world more realistically. When they are unemployed they have the leisure to get really angry, blame others and develop what is essentially a cargo cult view of religion.

You guys who keep on trying to compare Christian past to Muslim present don’t really have a point. Christianity, as believed and practiced two or three hundred years ago would be incompatible with modern life the way we believe we should practice it. We can all concede that point. The problem is that Islam has not yet gone through the evolution that Christianity did in the last three centuries. You anti-Christians can say that Christianity of 1383 would be a disaster if we tried to use its rules and practices today. You are right. Maybe you should worry a little more about fundamentalism where it really is spreading.

Posted by: Jack at November 4, 2005 8:37 PM
Comment #90617

Dave’s seach for “code words” that indicate racism when no mention of race has been made is nothing more than the McCarthyism of the left which seeks tar people with charges of “racism” in order to avoid actually facing up to reality.

It’s no different from saying that Democrats who argue on behalf of the “working class” are actually using Communist code words and want to bring Stalinism to America.

In other words, it’s just cheap-dime store rhetoric and unworthy of serious debate.

Posted by: sanger at November 4, 2005 8:43 PM
Comment #90618

Really Ron Brown?

How many people did Jesus kill?

And a response to the Ten Comandments comment. Only 2 of those commandments are against the law in America. Stealing and killing. The rest are just moral codes that few people follow. Some good some aren’t a big deal (like working on Sunday). The problem is, we still can rationalize killing and stealing if it benefits us.

How about practicing what you preach? And by the way, you better hope you chose the right guy to pray to. Because the majority of the world think his name is Buddah, Allah or many other names. That would mean that if religion were a democracy you would be voted out.

Posted by: Vic at November 4, 2005 8:46 PM
Comment #90623

Let’s remind ourselves that Christianity is a religion that advocates love of one’s enemy, and forgiveness of sins. It doesn’t say, just do good to those good to you, it says forgive these people, and treat them like you would be treated.

Why? Because making people into objects of hatred makes it extraordinarily difficult to calm things down. Make peace with people because it’s easier to talk to a person you’ve befriended, than an enemy you’ve attacked again and again. I mean, who would you listen too first?

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 4, 2005 9:08 PM
Comment #90625

Vic

Christianity is the worlds largest religion and also one that is growing rapidly in developing countries.

The majority of the world is non-Christian, but no other religion has as many believers. If religion was a democracy, you would probably have a coalition between the monotheistic religions, but religion is not a democracy. To those who believe, the number of people who agree with you doesn’t factor in.

Posted by: Jack at November 4, 2005 9:09 PM
Comment #90627

How many people did Jesus kill?

No one.

And a response to the Ten Comandments comment. Only 2 of those commandments are against the law in America. Stealing and killing. The rest are just moral codes that few people follow. Some good some aren’t a big deal (like working on Sunday). The problem is, we still can rationalize killing and stealing if it benefits us.

ALL the commandments are good.
Your right people DO bend the 10 commandments too their benifit. This is because of the nature of man. Man does not want to acknowledge God. Insted he wants to his own thing.
The only differents between Christians and others is Christians (and I’m talking TRUE CHRISTIANS) do ackowlegde God and follow the teachings of Christ to the best of their ability. Of course they fail at times. They’re human too.

Posted by: Ron Brown at November 4, 2005 9:22 PM
Comment #90628

Jack,

Islam is monotheistic. Do you think they would form a “Coalition” with the Christians? They are also the fastest growing religion in the world. I know it may sound like I am defending Muslims, but I am not. I could care less what ghost you guys pray to or how many virgins you get when you die. But the concern I have is when you believe that one religion is more righteous then another. That is where this post started, “The battle between Islam and the West.” Does that mean there is a battle between Gods as well? I wonder if vegas has odds on that?

Posted by: vic at November 4, 2005 9:25 PM
Comment #90629

Ron Brown,

Agreed.

Posted by: Vic at November 4, 2005 9:29 PM
Comment #90634

Sanger, go read some of the blatantly racist literature out there then get back to me. Meanwhile, tell me that “Birth rates are plummeting to frightening lows for indigenous Europeans but are growing exponentially for Islamic immigrants.” does not involve race.

Posted by: Dave at November 4, 2005 9:51 PM
Comment #90638
If everybody judged racial integration by all the mayhem that happened in the fifties and sixties, one might thing progress would have slowed to the point that “colored” water fountains might have remained. Europe is experiencing those kinds of growing pains now.

It’s a good point, Stephen. I’m not sure the situations are quite equivalent, but there’s little doubt that Europe is having to adapt to new demographic realities and there are going to be moments of struggle. France, with a rather large Muslim population, will be on the cutting edge of this. But I agree that this is no more of a “nightmare scenario” than have been our own even more violent episodes in the U.S.

Posted by: Reed Sanders at November 4, 2005 10:10 PM
Comment #90639

Vic

Yes. If religion was like democratic politics, Islam and Christianity would form a coalition. They are much more alike when compared to others.

Islam, we should recall, is also a branch of western civilization. Muslim scholars studied the Greek and Roman classics and even inherited much of their infrastructure.

There is a lot to respect in Islamic civilization. The rioters and terrorist, by and large, do not respect that civlization. They are a perversion, like communism or national socialism are perversions of western civlization.

Ironically, radical Islam learned much of its anti-semitism and anti-westernism from the Nazis, who developed these things into a science. Islam has no strong anti-semetic tradition. That is the nature of the enemy we face. Let’s not pretend otherwise. And being against radical Islam doesn’t mean you are against Islamis civilization any more that being against revolutionary socialism like Nazis or commumists means you are against western civlization.

Posted by: Jack at November 4, 2005 10:43 PM
Comment #90644

Mike,

Dave - My post racist? You HAVE to be kidding me…

You have to excuse Dave and Aldous et al. You see, the truth often bewilders the left. When they encounter truth they are sometimes disoriented, dizzy, perhaps even nauseous. Then because they don’t know what to do they give in to fear and they lash out. It’s an unconscious reflex. They can’t help it.

Posted by: esimonson at November 4, 2005 11:53 PM
Comment #90645

Paul,

The riots in France are caused by the same conditions that caused the riots in the U.S.: lack of jobs, miserable living conditions, disrespect and disinterest.

The answer is simple: Help these minorities and treat them as important citizens. DON’T START SCREAMING ABOUT WAR.

Do you realize that France is so far ahead of fulfilling your idea of what America should look like that it pales in comparison. These are not just slums, they are the ‘projects’. You know, public housing. The point is that they are not being treated as important citizens by their ‘parents’ the French State now, how much further down on the socialist road do you gauge France needs to be before peace breaks out and nothing like this ever happens again?

Posted by: esimonson at November 5, 2005 12:31 AM
Comment #90659

All

Time for the old Sicilian Eagle to throw in his two cents:

Recall that France,back in the 70’s gave refuge to Khommani and Shia fundamentalists.Recall also that from France he lead the overthrow of the corrupt Shah of Iran.

Recall now that the current president of Iran,a formerleading Revolutionary Guard is spewing the same garbage that his idol did 3 dedaced later.

Except this time Iran is on the brink of a nuclear bomb.

Recall that now France has 5.1 MILLION Muslims,most of them living in in what is supposed to be “Secular” France.

Thus,5.1 million Muslims live in the land of the Infidel. (By defination,all who do not follow the Phrophet are infidel)

Exactly what to you think has started with this uprising?Is is really purely ecomomics?

What happens here will happen in the Netherlands,Germany, and Spain as they all have large Muslim populations.

Of the two divesre cultural groups,and in light of the fanaticial way Islam has been highjacked these last three decades,exactly what do you think the solution is?

Posted by: sicilianeagle at November 5, 2005 7:05 AM
Comment #90660

Your right on the money!The west is being destroyed because imigrants are not assimalating.Muslims dont become citizens of a country they instead believe the Mosques are thier leaders.Abortion has lead to a decline in the population of western cultures and here in the US that is why we are letting people flock across our border.The republicans understand our country will not have enough young workers to support the aging population and the democrats want more poor folks because the tend to vote democrat…the white Christian western culture is under attack in the name of multiculturism and thats not a racist statement.I’m not a racist.I’m a Christian and I believe in treating poeple good.But you cant stand by and watch the great western culture be overrun.I’m for immirgation but if you migrate to our country you should have to assimilate..Language,culture and borders make a nation.a unified country will bring greatness.diversity can make a country weak when its out of control…

Posted by: Jim at November 5, 2005 7:22 AM
Comment #90663

Interesting. First, there’s esimonson’s decription of “the left”:

Then because they don’t know what to do they give in to fear and they lash out. It’s an unconscious reflex. They can’t help it.

And then there are some expositions from “the right”:

Thus, 5.1 million Muslims live in the land of the Infidel. (By defination, all who do not follow the Phrophet are infidel)…Of the two divesre cultural groups, and in light of the fanaticial way Islam has been highjacked these last three decades, exactly what do you think the solution is?
The west is being destroyed because imigrants are not assimalating. Muslims dont become citizens of a country they instead believe the Mosques are thier leaders…the white Christian western culture is under attack in the name of multiculturism and thats not a racist statement…diversity can make a country weak when its out of control…

There’s some diluted truth in these statements, yet it strikes me that it is very often the right who “give in to fear and lash out.” The Islamists are, after all, extreme rightwingers. America, led by the right, has reacted in ways that are often unwise and predicated on fear. I suppose they just can’t help it.

Posted by: Reed Sanders at November 5, 2005 8:53 AM
Comment #90664

Pardon my sloppy HTML editing. That last paragraph is not supposed to be blockquote.

Posted by: Reed Sanders at November 5, 2005 8:54 AM
Comment #90675

Reed,

“The west is being destroyed because imigrants are not assimalating. Muslims dont become citizens of a country they instead believe the Mosques are thier leaders…the white Christian western culture is under attack in the name of multiculturism and thats not a racist statement…diversity can make a country weak when its out of control.”

The combination of theological elitism and zenophobia that grips “Western” culture on both sides of the Atlantic, could be the flash point that takes us all down.

The whole point of multi-culturalism is to bring us together through those things that we have in common, yet all we hear is the glee which the fundamentalists on both sides take in pointing out our differences.

Posted by: Rocky at November 5, 2005 11:57 AM
Comment #90694

Rocky

Western civilization is the least xenophobic civilization in the world. Imagine it this way, go to the center of the civilazation and behave in a reasonable, but not culturally appropriate way. For example, do to Salt Lake City. Say that you don’t think Mormonism is a good idea and try to convert people to Islam. Do the same in Rome about the Catholic church. Now try converting someone to Christianity in Mecca. Or try professing Christianity in Beijing. I am convinced that my life would be safer in the west than anywhere else.

Posted by: Jack at November 5, 2005 2:14 PM
Comment #90697

Jack,

This country, like those in Europe, has quite a few groups that, and I am trying to be kind, preach racial purity.
It has happened in Germany, and England, and it can happen here. I fear the Muslims less than I fear those on the fringes of our own society. We have our own homegrown set of loony toons that are heavily armed, and not beyond causing mayhem themselves.

That said, I don’t want to convert anybody to anything. I am a live and let live kind of guy.

“Now try converting someone to Christianity in Mecca. Or try professing Christianity in Beijing.”

Jack, I have to say that those that would attempt this are idiots that deserve whatever they get.

Posted by: Rocky at November 5, 2005 2:39 PM
Comment #90698

Economic concerns led the secular French to betray their one-time ally America to the Iraqi dictator. Economic concerns (greed) led them to dilute their immigration policy so low-wage- earning Northern Africans could perform menial labor while native French languished on welfare. They are now reaping the whirlwind of their lunacy.

The scary thing is, the U.S. now has the same policy toward illegal immigrants from Mexico: cheap labor supported by big business, diluted immigration policies and border enforcement, eventual amnesty for millions of illegals, jobs lost to illegals, higher unemployment for all, higher welfare and medical costs, higher taxes to pay for these costs, a looming collapse of the welfare “safety net” due to inclusion of illegals, the eventual enfranchisement of all illegals, and an ultimate political power shift to them.

It is all happening right now. Parisian-style rioting, anarchy, and chaos will follow sooner than anyone dare imagine. The ACLU and the liberal elite will continue to use the courts to help facilitate this nihilistic, America-hating scenario.

Posted by: Metros at November 5, 2005 2:41 PM
Comment #90701

Rocky
They may deserve what they get, but that proves my point. What we expect to let others do here, others do not expect to let us do over here.

When you see a church in Mecca, you may say that Muslims have reached our level of tolerance. We you can safely preach what you want in China, you may guess that they are as open as we are. Unitl then, you may criticize our civilization, but you have to say that it is darn good compared to all the other major ones.

Posted by: Jack at November 5, 2005 3:01 PM
Comment #90703

Jack,

I don’t criticize just to be contrary. We need to pay attention.

I’m not a religious guy, but I bear no ill will toward those that are. Theological elitism, however, will not help in our political relations with Asia and the Middle East.
Christianity isn’t going to convert everybody, just as we cannot hope to kill every terrorist. A common ground has to be found with those that don’t belive as we do.
We will have to accept some folks as they are, not as we wish them to be.

Posted by: Rocky at November 5, 2005 3:21 PM
Comment #90708
This country, like those in Europe, has quite a few groups that, and I am trying to be kind, preach racial purity. It has happened in Germany, and England, and it can happen here. I fear the Muslims less than I fear those on the fringes of our own society. We have our own homegrown set of loony toons that are heavily armed, and not beyond causing mayhem themselves.

I won’t be kind.
THEY ARE LOW DOWN SNIVILLING BIGOTTED COWARDS!
They won’t do anything but talk unless they have a 15:1 advanatage. Even then some of them are so brave they have to hide behind hoods and mask.

Posted by: Ron Brown at November 5, 2005 3:54 PM
Comment #90710

Jack

When you see a church in Mecca, you may say that Muslims have reached our level of tolerance. We you can safely preach what you want in China, you may guess that they are as open as we are. Unitl then, you may criticize our civilization, but you have to say that it is darn good compared to all the other major ones.

And will stay that way unless those that are intolerant to ANY form of religous expression have thier way. And they’re tring.

Posted by: Ron Brown at November 5, 2005 4:01 PM
Comment #90711

Jack,

“When you see a church in Mecca, you may say that Muslims have reached our level of tolerance. We you can safely preach what you want in China, you may guess that they are as open as we are.”

To put a finer point on it.

I don’t expect the Muslims or a country like China should be as open as America.
I don’t expect them to show the tollerence that we have come to expect here, and neither should you.
To go to another country like China or or Saudi Arabia and and act as if you own the place just because you’re an American is just stupid on it’s face, and like I said, you would deserve whatever happened to you.
Ignorance is not bliss when it comes to the laws of foreign countries, we often fail to realize that we are guests in someone else’s house, and we need to act accordingly.
The United States is a grand experiment. You know as well as I, that there has never been anything like it ever. We should not come to think that all countries, everywhere, will meet the expectations that we hold for ourselves, in our own house, for if we do we will always be disapointed with the results.

Posted by: Rocky at November 5, 2005 4:13 PM
Comment #90715

NatAll said: “The multi-cultural experiment is collapsing before everyoneⳠeyes. Now comes the hard part: achieving political power to ensure that these non-Whites are all returned to their country of origin, as this is the only way in which such scenes can be prevented.”

It is astounding to see the ignorant extoll the virtues of spreading shotgun-style democracy in Iraq, while whitewashing the growing insurgency in an attempt to portray how well everything is going—“freedom is on the march”…yet get enraged and condemn the rioting in France (the equivalent of the Watts riots, et al), pointing the finger of blame at the “liberals” and their years of tolerance, saying it is PROOF POSITIVE that tolerance doesn’t work.

Is this irony…or hypocrisy? Or merely ignorance?

Then joebagodonuts said: “…but living up to the ideal of Christianity is impossible. As far as I can tell, only one person has ever lived up to the ideal. (Hint: it wasn’t me, it’s not you :)

How sad that you have forgotten the true mission of the Christ: to SHOW US ALL WHAT WE MUST DO IN ORDER TO FOLLOW HIM! What do you think He meant when He said “Even greater works than these shall you do, if you follow my commandments…”? If it is impossible, as you say, to emulate Christ, then what was His purpose? He replaced the 10 commandments with two “greater” commandments: Love God with all your might…, and Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself. The commandments were NOT given as mere “suggestions”: “I have given you an example…do as I have done.” I see very few so-called “Christians” following His example, starting with our President.

“Not everyone who says, ‘Lord, Lord’ shall enter into the Kingdom…and I will say unto them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, ye that work iniquity.’” (Matthew 7:21-23)

Posted by: Carri at November 5, 2005 4:25 PM
Comment #90736

you people all you people on this post you make me feel so sad . I read your posts with your big fancy words and you still fight over the same old crap my god his god no god at all I pray to any god that france and most of the EU burn to ashes.The blacks and the camel kissers will try the samething here in the usa the left will say they are poor and with out jobs and its all Mr.Bush’s fault so we should give them everything they want to com them down and raise them up so they will not burn your house down it reminds me of a time in the 1960’s BURN BABY BURN and all the negro trouble to this very day started out the same way over and over again.but this time, this time it will be diffrent then in the past millions of right-wing nut-jobs like me have been ready for this even before Y-2-K makeing ready the times at hand we are ready are you? may the GOD of your choice have mercy on your soul.

Posted by: angry white man at November 5, 2005 9:19 PM
Comment #90740

Jack-
Nobody blames the Vatican for not allowing folks to build synagogues or mosques on premises. Saudi Arabia belongs to the Saudis. I don’t object to this as long as they mind their own business.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 5, 2005 9:53 PM
Comment #90746

Jack,

I hope that you realize that “angry white man” makes my point for me.

Bigotry and zenophobia, though relatively marginal, are still alive and well in America.

Posted by: Rocky at November 5, 2005 11:35 PM
Comment #90750

Rocky

Yeah, we have it. We just have less than most other cultures. I just don’t like everyone pretending that the U.S. is the worst place on earth, when in fact it is one of the best.

Posted by: Jack at November 5, 2005 11:58 PM
Comment #90753

Jack,

“I just don’t like everyone pretending that the U.S. is the worst place on earth, when in fact it is one of the best.”

I do like the real estate.

Posted by: Rocky at November 6, 2005 12:22 AM
Comment #90846

ya-ya I am the big racist here ha-ha have you ever watched BET channel ever hear of the black panthers, naacp,nation of islam,hiphop ganster rap,ebonex,ebony magazine I could go on and on about the racist negro cause. negro people are more organized now than at anytime in there american history hell white kids want to be black.whats queerer than a homosexual negro?——a white-boy ganster rapper.yes they will create a lot of dammage and put up a good fight.yes we will not only put them down we will keep them down and you cant get it over till you get it on so brother bring it on. we are everywhere you want to be and all around you at all times and there are more of us then there of you so bro one night you will be walking down a dark street hear footsteps behind you turn-around to find yourself face to face with a angry white man.

Posted by: angry white man at November 6, 2005 10:13 PM
Comment #90853

“we are everywhere you want to be and all around you at all times and there are more of us then there of you so bro one night you will be walking down a dark street hear footsteps behind you turn-around to find yourself face to face with a angry white man.”

And you mess with me or mine and I will stick my 45/70 right in your ear.

Posted by: Rocky at November 6, 2005 10:57 PM
Comment #90854

thats cool man I can respect that you will need it.

Posted by: angry white man at November 6, 2005 11:09 PM
Comment #90868

Metros,

Economic concerns led the secular French to betray their one-time ally America to the Iraqi dictator.

If you consider everyone who may disagree with you or USA as a betrayer, don’t be suprised that you feel more and more betrayed.

France disagree with the Iraq War justification as (poorly, let me add) presented by US. You may feel betrayed, but please check your facts, because I failed to see how it was motivated mainly by economic ties with Saddam Hussein. Or show me some. And please, not the Oil For Food scandal, that’s individuals bad behavior not a country behind it…

Stop kidding yourself.

Economic concerns (greed) led them to dilute their immigration policy so low-wage- earning Northern Africans could perform menial labor while native French languished on welfare.

That’s partially the problem, yes. Except presented in a aggresive words.

Posted by: Philippe Houdoin at November 7, 2005 6:00 AM
Comment #90885

Oh, is it only me or there’s really many shocking “negro” and “non-White” name calling in this thread? I guess racism have great future in a freedom world :-(

Posted by: Philippe Houdoin at November 7, 2005 6:19 AM
Comment #91068

Learn a bit about the “peaceful” religion of Islam. Go to www.mosquewatch.com

Pray for France.

Posted by: john at November 8, 2005 1:35 AM
Comment #91095

John,

Learn a bit about the “peaceful” religion of Islam. Go to www.mosquewatch.com

Pray for France.

You almost lost me while I saw this clever “First Iraq, then… France” logo, but I resisted the first feeling. From the bottom line of your linked page:

Muslims in France, work with the police, and set up a neighborhood watch. If you truly want to integrate, now is your chance.Actions speak louder than words.

Some are actually doing exactly that. I heard one of these watch groups at radio this morning. They said that most of the time seeing them is enough for the rioters to flee from an area. Otherwise, they just call police to the rescue.
I dunno if these watch groups are made of muslims or not, and to be fair, I don’t care that much.

Your frenchly,

Posted by: Philippe Houdoin at November 8, 2005 8:23 AM
Comment #91181

don’t worry about Mike—-he refuses to acknowledge that he is half-Mexican!

Posted by: Anon. at November 8, 2005 2:34 PM
Comment #91798

I’ve studied Islam and the terrorists are not only following “true” Islam they are obeying the commands of its founder, who elevated himself to godhood. btw-The holocaust wasn’t perpetrated BY Christian countries; it was perpetrated IN Christian countries by ATHEISTS who had elevated their own leader to godhood. The muslim leaders of the time were allies and supporters of the monsters who carried out the Holocaust.

Posted by: steven at November 10, 2005 1:04 PM
Comment #91835

Steven, Thanks for telling it like it is. Also, let’s not forget that the modern Arab BAATH party, thankfuly no longer headed by Sadaam in Iraq, but still entrenched in Syria, modeled itself after the Nazi Party with its founders, early on openly expressing admiration for Hitler.
The Islamo-Facists meld well together don’t they?

Posted by: john at November 10, 2005 3:11 PM
Comment #93461

Thanks for the plug John and what you have texted is 100 percent correct, with no PC thrown in. Truth is not hate, those that call you a bigot, or racist, simply have no logical argument.

Jeff

Posted by: Jeff at November 16, 2005 6:23 PM
Comment #206716

God is good!!

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