Black Viewpoint Discrimination

For all the harping by the liberal left about racial discrimination, many black opinoin leaders carry out viewpoint discrimination on a daily basis. Many blacks simply cannot accept any black politician or leader having a viewpoint that runs counter to their own. Leaders like Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Maryland Lt. Governor and now Senate candidate Michael Steele can only be viewed as traitors to their race because they are Republican or conservative, much like the Left’s derision of Justice Clarence Thomas.

So, according to these black opinion leaders, the only good black leader is a black Democrat. Anyone who succeeds as a Republican or conservative means that there is something wrong with them, something that is wired not quite right. In the law, this is called viewpoint discrimination and it is rampant among blacks.

On October 25, Washington Post columnist Eugene Robinson asked this question:

Like a lot of African Americans, I've long wondered what the deal was with Condoleezza Rice and the issue of race. How does she work so loyally for George W. Bush, whose approval rating among blacks was measured in a recent poll at a negligible 2 percent? How did she come to a worldview so radically different from that of most black Americans? Is she blind, is she in denial, is she confused -- or what?

I don't think Rice is any of those things. Clearly she is neither confused about nor in denial as to her race, as even Robinson admits:

She doesn't deny that race makes a difference. "We all look forward to the day when this country is race-blind, but it isn't yet," she told reporters in Birmingham. Later she added, "The fact that our society is not colorblind is a statement of fact."
She knows that she is a black woman four heartbeats from the Presidency (the highest level of government any black woman has achieved and why can't black America celebrate that). She is aware of her prominent place in the world. I think Rice continues to work for President Bush because she doesn't allow her race to dictate what she believes. She believes in many of the same things as the President and knows for a fact that this President, despite all his faults, has elevated more minorities to positions of real power than any other President, Republican or Democrat, ever has.

But what Robinson really means is that Rice doesn't subscribe to his world view, one in which blacks are supposed to be Democrats and any black who dares espouse Republican ideals is not only wrong but somehow deeply flawed. Rice acknowledges that our nation is not race blind, but also refrains from pointing that the much of the reason is that black opinion writers and leaders, like Robinson, never let us forget about race.

If black leaders assume that all blacks are Democrats, it is little wonder why the Democrats take the black vote for granted. Enter Michael Steele to the stage. In 2002, during the Maryland gubernatorial election, Democrat Kathleen Kennedy Townsend selected as her running mate a white, former Republican, retired Navy admiral. The reaction from Maryland's black community was immediate and harsh. In a state that is roughly 25% black, the black community was deeply offended, with repeated statements of white Democratic leadership taking the black vote for granted.

Yet, when Republican Bob Ehrlich selected Michael Steele as his running mate, black leaders, instead of applauding Ehrlich, immediately derided Steele for being a traitor to his race. Steele was not an obscure choice or desprate selection by Ehrlich to court the black vote. Steele had been a candidate for Attorney General in 1998 and Chairman of the Maryland GOP. It was a logical choice.

Like Rice, Steele is cognizant of his race, but refuses to allow his race to define his poltical ideals. Pointedly addressing what he considers to be the failed legacy of the black civil rights movement, Steele, in his announcement speech, talked about the failure of Civil Rights successors to capitalize on the efforts of giants like Martin Luther King. When Michael Steele entered the Maryland Senate race earlier this week, he talked about a New Civil Rights Struggle:

As a young man I realized that the front lines in the New Civil Rights Struggle would be different.

Instead of just hope... we needed action.

Instead of just government protection... we needed opportunity.

And instead of the right to sit at the lunch counter... the New Civil Rights Struggle would be a struggle for the right to own the diner and to create legacy wealth for our children.
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Yet, after the announcement, blogger Steve Gilliard posted this little artwork (not particularly work friendly) calling Steele a "Sambo" contnuing, " And if he thinks he can win Baltimore and the DC suburbs, he's on crack. Black people will not only not vote for him, but regard him with contempt. " Later, in the comments to the post, Gilliard wrote:

You know if Black Republican wasn't a synonym for betrayer of black people we could debate their views. But because it is, we need to call these people out as loudly as possible. (emphasis added)

Granted Gilliard could hardly be called an opinion leader, but this mindset among many blacks is one of the leading reasons why the discrimination they complain of continues, because blacks simply cannot fathom a viewpoint that does not place race before ideals, or experience. When it comes to political identiy, whites can accept that fact that they can occupy all parts of the political spectrum, blacks cannot and thus their viewpoint discrimination punishes black conservatives as though they were the devil.

Rice's choice has been to make America, including Black America, safer so that op-ed writers like Robinson and Gilliard can spout their brand of idiocy. Steele's choice has been to put personal reponsibility ahead of group victimhood, to fight for opportunity for everyone.

Robinson's and Gilliard's world view is one which perpetuates the "forty acres and a mule" mindset of many. These men evidently believes that America owes them something because they are black. Therefore any black who makes good, like Rice or Steele, as a Republican is nothing more than a traitor. The prominence of race as the defining factor is apparent, as Robinson writes:

I know very few black Americans who think of themselves fully as insiders in this society. No matter how high we rise, there's always that reality that Rice acknowledges: The society isn't colorblind, not yet. It's not always in the front of your mind, but it's there. We talk about it, we overcome it, but it's there.
And they never let anyone forget it. For them, blacks cannot occupy a spectrum of political beliefs. Anyone who strays across the line, "has to be called out." Posted by Matt Johnston at October 28, 2005 3:30 PM
Comments
Comment #88560

Matt,

“How does she work so loyally for George W. Bush, whose approval rating among blacks was measured in a recent poll at a negligible 2 percent? How did she come to a worldview so radically different from that of most black Americans? Is she blind, is she in denial, is she confused — or what?”

Maybe he has a tough time with the fact that a black woman can be seen by many as a “Tool” for the Republican party. A party that caters to big business and has little interest in programs that benefit black communities.
Not hand-out programs, but things like after school programs, tutoring and block-grants to build playgrounds.(They are often the first things cut when the Reps. want to pretend to be fiscally responsible)
The Republican party is seen by many minorities as pro-white and anti-black.
You lack perspective in your post. You take snips of information and apply it to all black leaders and all communities. Your post has a striking similarity to alot of posts written by the Republican side of this site.
ex. hundreds riot in Ohio, blame the entire community. A few black leaders say something stupid, apply it to all black leaders.
More of the same.
I have a friend who is Asian who excells in math, maybe they all do. Oops you’ve already used that one.
All blacks can dance. No that one is used too.
If I can come up with more sweeping generalizations or stereotypes I’ll let you know, but it seems like you have a pretty good handle on it.

Posted by: Andre M. Hernandez at October 28, 2005 5:14 PM
Comment #88562

Great post. Politics should not be based on ownes identity. That becomes dangers not only for the things that you list; also because, while a republican can become a democrat when he becomes disolution with the parties direction, a black man can never become white when the black “leaders” go astray of their values.

Posted by: MT at October 28, 2005 5:23 PM
Comment #88568

Is Bill Cosby a Republican? Because this sounds kind of similiar to what he said and got lambasted for saying.

Posted by: Stephanie at October 28, 2005 5:57 PM
Comment #88573

Matt Johnston
Very good post. I am very proud of leaders across the country, who just happen to have a skin color that is darker than mine, and who are proudly American, stepping forth and speaking truth. You only mentioned a couple, but of course there are a large number of people in and out of public service that have aligned themselves with the idea that opportunity is more secure than the dole, and that hard work really does pay. I have a friend who is a retired police officer. He rose to the rank of Asst. Chief of Police and this was done in a white community in the midwest. He did it with hard work and took advantage of opportunity. There was no tokenism in his career.

Posted by: tom at October 28, 2005 6:09 PM
Comment #88586

All people who do not believe in what was posted here…just listen to the Tom Joyner Show on just about any Urban radio station in your area.

You’ll come away with a whole new perspective.

Posted by: Jim T at October 28, 2005 6:32 PM
Comment #88592
But what Robinson really means is that Rice doesn’t subscribe to his world view, one in which blacks are supposed to be Democrats and any black who dares espouse Republican ideals is not only wrong but somehow deeply flawed.

You may think that’s what he meant, but you’re putting words into the man’s mouth. He clearly thinks that idea of supporting George W. Bush is against the best interests of the black community. He didn’t say crap about republican ideas or that every black has to be a democrat. I happen to agree (even though this isn’t about me) with YOUR interpretation that, yes, for anyone besides a rich white man to support republicans at all is completely against thier best interests and fundamentally flawed. HOWEVER, that’s not what Eugene Robinson said, and if you read his statement again objectively, you’ll see that you are taking a lot of liberties going from point A to point B.

Posted by: Taylor at October 28, 2005 6:40 PM
Comment #88631

Matt,

As Taylor said, “you are taking a lot of liberties going from point A to point B.” Not only are you taking liberties with Robinson, you are taking liberties with all blacks. You fail to understand that the president’s approval rating with blacks is 2% for a reason or more probably many reasons. I am left to wonder why did you write this piece? To convince blacks of the error of their ways or for your white Republican friends? Your message will resonate more with the latter group than the former. I’m not black and I don’t claim to speak for blacks, but I doubt you won many converts with this piece.

Posted by: RMD at October 28, 2005 8:30 PM
Comment #88633

Well I reckon I have a brother-in-law and a son-in-law that are ‘not wired quite right’. Both are Black and somewhere to the right of me. And both are sucessfull. They have refused to go along with the programs of failure that have been setup for them.
It’s sad that insted of listening to Blacks like Bill Cosby who tell Blacks that they can make without government programs, they listen to their so-called leaders that tell them that they are victums and need government programs that are designed to keep them down.
And while they’re listening to them and living in poverty their ‘leaders’ are living high on the hog. Now that’s real concern for those that they claim to be helping.

Posted by: Ron Brown at October 28, 2005 8:31 PM
Comment #88635

Ron Brown
Just to clarify something. Your second paragraph was or was not in reference to the two relatives in your first paragraph. And thank you for your response.

Posted by: tom at October 28, 2005 8:35 PM
Comment #88639

tom
It WAS NOT in reference to my relatives.

Posted by: Ron Brown at October 28, 2005 8:54 PM
Comment #88641

Both would and DO tell young Black the same thing that Bill Cosby tells them.
“You CAN make it without the government programs.”

Posted by: Ron Brown at October 28, 2005 8:59 PM
Comment #88659

Ron Brown
Thanks for that clarification. I just did not want to mis-understand you. I mentor prison inmates getting ready to be realeased back into society. Ethnic background has no bearing to the ones I have a priviledge to mentor. It is a thrill to see men who have made serious mistakes make a turn around because they decided to not blame someone else and to realize that they did do harm to someone to get to where they are or were.

Posted by: tom at October 28, 2005 10:38 PM
Comment #88660

Ron Brown,

Would your relatives consider Bill Cosby a role model?

I’m not black, and so it might not matter as per this discussion, but I consider him a role model. A psychologist who’s had a very successful career as a comedian. That’s got to be a fairly rare combination.

Posted by: Stephanie at October 28, 2005 10:40 PM
Comment #88661

tom,

That’s got to be rewarding work. Do you know how effective it is in rehabilitation, figure wise?

My own experience it that regards pretty much shocked me.

Posted by: Stephanie at October 28, 2005 10:43 PM
Comment #88670

Rice is just sticking to her guns, so what if she is African American, she could be any race and it would not matter. She is just doing what she feels to be right. It should not matter where she is from, or what race she is.

Posted by: Drew at October 28, 2005 11:55 PM
Comment #88673

Stephanie
The mentoring continues after release for a short time (less than 6 months), then there are other people who step up and continue. To my knowledge there have been none of those who I mentored that have returned to the penal system. Granted some have struggled, but they all have steered clear of the law. That is not anything I have done, I have only been a conduit and the person beening mentored decided to make the choice to make changes. He deserves all the credit.

Posted by: tom at October 29, 2005 12:03 AM
Comment #88677

I have to wonder, my adopted brother is black by the way, if we stopped paying so much attention to race, would we see it start to disappear as a factor? It seems as though the more we talk about race by keeping stats of how many blacks did this and that, the more we seperate ourselves into different groups. We need unification, not diversity. out of many come one, isnt that what E PLURIBUS UNIM says?

Posted by: dogselur at October 29, 2005 12:22 AM
Comment #88681

tom,

That’s great. I know two people closely that have been through the penal system. The first one became very much changed from the experience and turned his life around dramatically. I honestly expected the same sort of results with the second, but was sadly mistaken. Within two weeks he’d committed a similiar offense as he did to get in and will now be in prison for the rest of his life. It broke my heart, enraged me and made me sick all at the same time that he threw his chance to start over away like that.

Then, I have a new co-worker who I think is going through a similiar program you’re talking about (she spent time at a half-way house, has a mentor as well as a PO) and the other day she was wearing a shirt that said something to the effect “It’s only illegal if you get caught.” Which bothered me considering her past, but then she told me it was a gag gift given to her by some friends and she just really didn’t have enough clothes to pick and choose from to not wear it.

And, to bring this all around back to the topic of discussion, it’s kind of strange that my own experience breaks a certain stereotype (at least in my own mind). Of the dozen or so people I know who’ve had serious run-ins with our legal system only one of those individuals was black, the rest were strictly white. At least, those individuals I know got caught breaking the law were white, with the one exception.

Posted by: Stephanie at October 29, 2005 12:52 AM
Comment #88683

dogselur,

I do agree that if we as a society could not dwell so much on race that racism would become a non-issue. I try to send that message when I fill out government paperwork that asks for race by choosing “other” and writing in American whenever possible.

Yet, on the other hand, we as a society are not yet color-blind, as Rice said. We’ve made progress, but we’ve got a long way to go. And sometimes our efforts to change things do more harm than good.

When I was in college there was this brilliant young woman who had a full scholarship. She was studious and she worked hard to earn top grades. She was also black. I remember hearing some dumbass make a slur about how she had to have gotten in because of affirmative action. Boy, did that piss off just about everyone who was close enough to hear. Fact is, she’d earned all her scholarships from private organizations from her various efforts, including writing, volunteer work, community activities, ect. She knew and was very proud of the fact that none of what she’d earned had she gotten as “affirmative action,” because she’d never disclosed her racial status. She affirmed herself through her own actions, which meant a lot to her as it should.

The sad thing, though, is that she had to continually defend herself like that. Some people just couldn’t accept the fact that the “poor black woman from the ghetto” deserved to be at that school just as much if not more than they did, and it wasn’t even a prestigious school. So, I certainly agree with Rice, we’re not color-blind yet. And, blacks (as well as everyone else) not stereotyping blacks would go a long way to help with that.

Posted by: Stephanie at October 29, 2005 1:03 AM
Comment #88688

Stephanie wrote:
When I was in college there was this brilliant young woman who had a full scholarship. She was studious and she worked hard to earn top grades. She was also black. I remember hearing some dumbass make a slur about how she had to have gotten in because of affirmative action.
_______________________________

It seems that what has been in the public eye lately is not racism or sexism but politics. Did you ever notice the comments and depictions of Condi Rice; it’s always as a dumb black or she slept her way to the top or (even worse) that she’s an uncle tom. I think that’s just ridiculous! And, (quite frankly) repulsive!!

Why this is done is b/c of politics. She’s considered a traitor and dumb b/c she’s conservative. That’s all it takes it seems. If you’re black and you’re conservative you’re considered a sellout. Look at Powell, Janice Rogers Brown and (of course) Clarence Thomas. Each one of the aforementioned have strong roots and have grown up in the “struggle” and have surged to great heights in America; and yet, they are not considered “true” blacks because they’re conservative.

Do you see that as well? If not, why do these successful black leaders take the most ridicule?

Posted by: rahdigly at October 29, 2005 1:23 AM
Comment #88689

Stephanie
One additional item. I have a step-son who is in prison until Dec. 2007. He and I have had a rough relationship. His birth father disowned him. My wife has dumped the responsibility onto me. I did step forward and tried to to my best, but the stats on step-parents succeeding with step-children are dismal. Anyway on a recent visit to the prison he repented for a lot of things specifically. I broke down and cried; he was being sincere. For him the proof will be when he gets out whether he finds new friends or hangs with the old crowd. In the mentoring program I work with they do not want me to mentor him. I believe the program is correct. I can empathize with you on the heart break of seeing someone you know either going into the system the first time or whether it is returning to the system. Sometimes you want to just step out and have the power and authority to intervene and end the process in a positive way. But, then reality comes back and you have to just let go.

Posted by: tom at October 29, 2005 1:28 AM
Comment #88691

rahdigly,

How is that we end up on the same side of a debate and yet you still don’t sound the least bit rational to me?

You cannot argue against the stereotypes that makes victims out of black individuals on the basis of their race, by arguing that the black individuals are victims on the basis of their race. It just doesn’t work!!! There’s an extreme lack of logic there!

Rice, Powell, Brown, and Thomas are NOT victims! They are first and foremost PEOPLE! Secondly, and also quite importantly, they are SUCCESS stories! Successful people do not equal victims!

They have successfully strived to go beyond the limits set for black individuals. They should be celebrated. They should be honored. They should NOT be made out as victims just because some people don’t like it.

Posted by: Stephanie at October 29, 2005 1:41 AM
Comment #88692

tom,

Thank you for that. Because of my own history and the nature of the crime, I let go relatively easily, though I hated having to do it. Both my brother (who successfully changed) and I decided to disown my uncle (who didn’t) after we found out he brutally attacked and raped another young woman. Unfortunately for myself, I didn’t find out the nature of his original crime until after he committed the second offense, so I was doubly shocked.

I hope it goes much, MUCH better with your step-son and yourself. It sounds like you have a good program going there and I hope your step-son appreciates that and uses it to his advantage. Perhaps if his father is out of the picture, you two can help each other heal together. Being abandoned by his father can’t be easy for him, especially when he’s in a time of his life when he needs all the help he can get. Hopefully he’ll wisely look to you as the father-figure he needs now, even though you cannot be his mentor.

Posted by: Stephanie at October 29, 2005 1:49 AM
Comment #88693

Stephanie wrote:
Rice, Powell, Brown, and Thomas are NOT victims! They are first and foremost PEOPLE! Secondly, and also quite importantly, they are SUCCESS stories! Successful people do not equal victims!
___________________________

Could’ve fooled me. They are attacked time and time again. From the political cartoons that depict (DR.) Rice as a dumb-house slave, to Harry Belafonte saying Powell “sleeps in the house of the masters”. These are facts Stephanie. This actually happens in the world. I don’t make this up, nor would I wish this on my enemies.

It’s disgusting and yes they are victims when they are attacked liked the way I have quoted.

Oh yeah, and I don’t need you to agree with me, just debate me. That means retort with facts. Geez!!

Posted by: rahdigly at October 29, 2005 1:52 AM
Comment #88694

A political attack a victim does not make, rahdigly. Being a victim is a mentality and it’s a mentality that’s unfortunately taught to many fine citizens in this country. The aforementioned people DO NOT share this mentality, or they wouldn’t be where they are.

Posted by: Stephanie at October 29, 2005 1:58 AM
Comment #88695

Rice was born with intelligence way above average, opportunities and doors opened to her for that reason if no other, blessed with a relatively stable and nurturing family, sponsored and elevated by Republicans at a time when they needed to cultivate a few tokens from the black community for political reasons.

Now one of the things I think many blacks find objectionable is that Rice buys into Bush’s rhetoric that if she can do it, everyone can, and if they don’t, it is because there is something wrong with them as a person. I am not black. But, I have resented a fair number of whites in my time who looked down on people like me who worked manual and skilled labor jobs, and for low wages, as lesser beings, struggling against their own personal insufficiencies. What snobbery and B.S.

If I were black, I would look to black leadership to open doors of fairness, and equal opportunity for the average and even below average among us. I would look to them for elevating ghetto districts like we saw in New Orleans during Katrina, and not just when the public spotlight is on politicians.

I’m not going to knock Rice, she has risen in station due to her competence and good fortune. Since she has been geared toward foreign affairs, she is limited in what she can do with domestic policy. But, she is a member of a party and administration that has saw fit to allow 30% interest rates by credit companies in the absence of even one defaulted payment, one which has closed the door to bankruptcy for many who came to such straits through no fault of their own, one which has allowed complete uncontrolled illegal immigration to put downward pressure on wages, and upward competitive pressure on available jobs, one which believes a colony on the Moon and Mars is more important than a ghetto in L.A. or Kansas City. And she seems to be quite comfortable with that. And that is a problem very likely with the 98% polled who don’t like Bush, nor those who serve him.

Posted by: David R. Remer at October 29, 2005 2:01 AM
Comment #88697

David,

Great to have you here!

“I’m not going to knock Rice…”

I’m going to take that nugget, hold on tight and clamp my mouth shut. This is NOT a debate I want to get into you with!

Posted by: Stephanie at October 29, 2005 2:10 AM
Comment #88701

David wrote:
sponsored and elevated by Republicans at a time when they needed to cultivate a few tokens from the black community for political reasons.
___________________________

See Stephanie, I told you those wackos were out there. He compliments Rice with her above average intelligence and then puts her down as a token black in the Republican party.

Wow, that didn’t take long.

I’m a huge fan of Dr. Rice. She’s highly qualified and she’s a great leader. I especially enjoyed when she broke Senator Boxer down when they exchanged words at the Senate hearing last week. Boxer was saying that the reason we went to war in Iraq was not originally to bring democracy. Well, Condi responded by using the analogy with WWII and Germany: “Senator Boxer, we didn’t go into Germany to bring democracy either, we went in there to remove hitler and his mad regime”. Awwwh yeaah! Take if to them Condi…

Posted by: rahdigly at October 29, 2005 2:22 AM
Comment #88705

Stephanie
Thanks for the encouragement.
And Godspeed with your own situation.
The old saying—“The more things change the more they stay the same”—has both pleasure and pain.
It appears that you are making some good decisions where both pleasure and pain abound.
Thanks again.

Posted by: tom at October 29, 2005 7:09 AM
Comment #88707

Would your relatives consider Bill Cosby a role model?

Stephanie, I reckon in a way they do. He is certianly someone that young Blacks can look to as an example of what can be done by taking responsibilty for yourself and some hard work. They believe however that parents are the MOST INFLUENTIAL role models in the lives of their children. And a whole heap of them aren’t very good role models. And this goes for Whites as well as Blacks.

Posted by: Ron Brown at October 29, 2005 7:52 AM
Comment #88709

Ron Brown
You are absolutely correct in that parents are the most influential role models. Unfortunately, the family in this country is so fragmented that parental role models are almost nonexistent. Far too many families have gone thru divorce, separation or death of a parent. This puts a severe strain on the parent in authority over the child. Fatherless children do not do well generally. Fathers in this country need to step up and do what is right. Pay the child support, build a relationship with the children, seek restoration with the separated mate, rejuvenate the family. This would go a long way to reducing crime, gang activity and so on.

Posted by: tom at October 29, 2005 8:05 AM
Comment #88710

BTW Stephine,
They also think of Condi Rice and Clarence Thomas as roles models.

Posted by: Ron Brown at October 29, 2005 8:08 AM
Comment #88711

tom
AMEN

Posted by: Ron Brown at October 29, 2005 8:10 AM
Comment #88722

I want to thank you for putting this into words. I have held this veiwpoint for a while. I am colorblind and I get sick of hearing how white people do nothing but hold them poor people down. They can say whatever they want about themselves, but the moment a white person says the same thing - it is discrimination. If black people are supposed to be democrats…what does it say about white being both democrat and republican? Are they saying that something is wired not quite right in us?

Posted by: Alicia T. at October 29, 2005 11:11 AM
Comment #88725

Race is a hot issue and there are a lot of people who want to keep it too hot to touch. There are still plenty of racists (of all colors) but “racism” is no longer a determining factor. The success of Rice and Powell, among others, is the proof.

The Bush cabinet is the most diverse in American history. We have a black woman holding the cabinet position first held by Thomas Jefferson and she clearly has real power. AND she is doing a good job. Yet she is criticized for not being properly black. What does that mean? Whatever she is doing works. Maybe others could learn from her example.

When President Lincoln was told that Grant was a drunk, he reported said “Tell me what Grant is drinking and I will serve it to the rest of my generals.” The 98% who think she is wrong should think about their own success.

Posted by: Jack at October 29, 2005 11:40 AM
Comment #88729
As Taylor said, “you are taking a lot of liberties going from point A to point B.” Not only are you taking liberties with Robinson, you are taking liberties with all blacks. You fail to understand that the president’s approval rating with blacks is 2% for a reason or more probably many reasons. I am left to wonder why did you write this piece? To convince blacks of the error of their ways or for your white Republican friends? Your message will resonate more with the latter group than the former. I’m not black and I don’t claim to speak for blacks, but I doubt you won many converts with this piece.

RMD, you did a nice job of continuing my thoughts. The audience of this article is indeed the latter. Rather than address the issues in the Republican party that garner them such low approval with a minority, it’s easier to architect an arguement that there’s something wrong with the minority itself. If a few approved members of said minority can be successful and back the policies and ideaology of the right wing, it certainly must be the other 99.999% of people in that minority that are the problem. It’s typical right wing thinking.

Posted by: Taylor at October 29, 2005 12:31 PM
Comment #88730

Oooooh… These issues of black vs white, GOP vs the Dems, gets my blood boiling. If you find a stray cat in your front yard and give it a bowl of milk where do you think that cat will come tomorrow for a bowl of milk? If you do it again, the pattern begins. Dems have been discouraging personal accountability in the black/poor communities for years by offering them entitlements. Where’s the motivation to do something for yourself? I don’t know Condi personally(obviously) but she seems articulate, educated, calm, composed, and an expert in foreign policy. This makes her a traitor to her fellow blacks? Are you kidding me? They should be singing the praises of an amazing success story in their community. If your English comes from a 50 Cent album, don’t expect a potential employer to be impressed. If your political viewpoints are influenced by Kanye West you’re in trouble. The conservative movement in this country EMPHASIZES personal accountability. It’s not the governments job to put food on the table, gas in your tank, or clothes on your kids back. Please, look up the definition of Capitalism. Last time I checked, Socialism and Communism have been tried before. Look how that turned out. Sure, I’m all for temporary help in the event of a disaster, layoffs, etc. but it MUST be temporary.

Let’s take hurricane Katrina for example. All I could hear in the days following the disaster was how it was Bush’s fault, as if he somehow magically whipped up a hurricane. Come on! Louisiana’s government runs about as efficiently as Mexico’s and has had years to get those levys up to par. And to no surprise it’s been run by Dems for years. For a party that claims to help fight poverty and racism they sure have set a shining example there haven’t they? New Orleans is the murder capital of the country and celebrates one of the highest poverty rates as well, but somehow that’s the GOP’s fault, not theirs.

If I were black, my role models would be people like Bill Cosby, Clarence Thomas, and of course Condi. Instead, they look up to the likes of Farakahn and these other “blame everyone else” people. This man actually suggested that whites blew up the levys in New Orleans to flood the blacks out. My understanding is that the breach in the levy occurred in a prominently WHITE community. And this is a role model?

Every time I get my paycheck I cringe at the amount of taxes taken out. You know why? Of course you do. It’s because I know that somewhere that money is going to someone who won’t do it on their own, regardless of color.

A message to blacks….. think for yourself. Just because the head of the NAACP says something doesn’t make it true or right, the same way I don’t look at everything Pat Robertson or some right wing Evangelical Christian says is right. You have an oppurtunity to have a black woman become the leader of the free world come 2008. Blacks should celebrate this as proof that ANYONE can make it in this country if they apply themselves.

Posted by: Greg at October 29, 2005 12:32 PM
Comment #88737

You know, growing up in a small town in the larger San Francisco area was quiet. In elementry and middle school there weren’t even many kids of color in the area, not for any real reason then there just weren’t yet. When I hit high school and Bart came out our way we got an influx of students from Oakland and other big city areas.

The school welcomed them with open arms, gave programs such as the Black Student Union and other such things. Lots of after school activities for kids of race and this spurred others to do the same. We had some for asian students, and some more for hispanic and middle eastern. When we brought up the idea of making a white student union though the school came down hard. It was immoral and wrong to put whites above others was their stand.

I see Black Entertainment Television, I see hispanic and asian programing. When I watch people of color do stand up ( for the most part, you can never group people as a whole, there are always exceptions ) You will hear cracker, honkey, and other degrading names being used. I have written in a couple times to request that stations not air names like that because it can be offensive and you get replys that are basically brush offs.

What I would like to know, in a discussion that is so strongly based on race and the idea of blacks being held down is why is it ok for these things to happen? I’m 23 years old, white yes, but why do I and my sisters deserve to have to hear racial slurs about us, because of our ancestry? Why is it ok to seperate ourselves like this? All that is being done is more lines are being drawn in the sands of time..

Black, white, yellow, purple, green, a color is a color, not who you are.. it should never define you and it should never be the focus of your political or future goals for yourself or your children.

Posted by: Broken Angel at October 29, 2005 12:53 PM
Comment #88750

First let me say that I am the brother-in-law that Ron Brown wants to get hanged by the KKK.
I think it has something to do with the fact that my wife is sexyer than his (that gaging sound that you here is Ron puking).
I’m not as scrappy as Ron is when it come to politics so I don’t really read this blog. When I got here (I’m writing this on his computer)he asked me to read this and maybe comment on it from a Black conservtive view.
Well here goes and forgive me if this isn’t as eloquent as Ron might say it.
While it’s true that there is a lot of racial discrimination out there aginst Blacks, there is also a lot against Whites. So using discrimination for not getting anywhere is just an excuse. As my brother-in-law likes to say, excuesses are bald face lies given for lack of a reason.
The main reason I see why alot of Blacks (I hate the term Africian-American) don’t do well is because they buy into the lies told them by our political system that they need the government to get anything. This system was started by the Democrats and perpetuated by the Republicans. The whole system is designed to keep anyone Black or White that enters it down and dependant on the government. Then they make it hard to get out of the system. This way they can get and maintain power over those in the system. Why a higher percentage of Black fall for this than other races might be due to the fact that for a long time Blacks were not educated as well as Whites if educated at all. Because of this they were more susceptible to the lies told them. They inturn taught their children the the same lies they were taught. This has gone on through several generations and has become the mind set of most Blacks. The fact that our so called Black leaders are telling us the same lies that the government is telling doesn’t help either.
Stephine asked if I would consider Bill Cosby a role model for Blacks. The answer is Yes! Along with Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice, and any other sucessful Blacks. They are people that young Blacks can lookup to as what can be accomplished with some hard work and taking the responsibility for your own future. It’s unfortunate that it’s people like these that are demonized by the system and Black leaders.
However the parents should be the best role model for any kid of any race. I’m sad to say that I see a big failure amoung parents today in this. And it seems to me that it is more prevalent amoung Black parents. Espically Black men.
As to a sulution to the problem I can only guess, but it has to start with teaching these kids that they and they alone are going to have to take responibilty for themselves. That no one gives anything for nothing. It all comes with a price. Either through ding for yourself and being able to have a little pride in what you’ve accomplished, or through loosing your self respect by excepting the lie being told by the system that your to stupid to make it on your own and need the government to take care of you.
The choise is there. As for me I decided back when I enlisted in the Air Force that I didn’t want the kind of life my mother had by excepting the lies told her.
Sorry for the lenght of this.

Posted by: Jason Williams at October 29, 2005 1:59 PM
Comment #88756

Does anyone else find it odd that the Red Column have not yet commented on Libby’s impending frogwalk and instead post this irrelevant topic?

Must be the new talkingpoints from GOP Central. CHANGE THE SUBJECT!!!

Posted by: Aldous at October 29, 2005 2:34 PM
Comment #88759

“So, according to these black opinion leaders, the only good black leader is a black Democrat. Anyone who succeeds as a Republican or conservative means that there is something wrong with them, something that is wired not quite right. In the law, this is called viewpoint discrimination and it is rampant among blacks.”

I can’t understand why you make such remarks. Are you attacking black leaders for being concerned about the black community, 2% of whom give Bush a favorable rating? Who should black leaders be in favor of? Republicans, who in every action favor Big Business at the expense of minorities like blacks?

And what does Rice have to do with it? She wants to be a Republican. So let her. She may be smart and gifted, but that does not mean that black leaders should use her as a role model. They disagree violently with what Republicans stand for.

You are using “discrimination” as a dirty word, which it is when talking about racial discrimination. But not here. Black leaders have a right to express their opinions just as we all have.

Posted by: Paul Siegel at October 29, 2005 2:39 PM
Comment #88772

Since the Republican Party is based on an ideology that focuses on traditional values and the status quo, it is easy for me to say, Republicans are racist. The fact is we have inherently racist laws and a racist economic disttibutive system. Blacks were slaves way after the Civil War.
After almost 200 years of having a society based on everything that could hold down African-AMERICANS you Republicans have the nerve to say that a black man has every opportunity that MIGHTY WHITEY has.
Blacks are still economically challenged and it is not completely their fault. African-AMERICANS deserve reparations and there is no doubt that they are entitled to them, and only the Republicans inherently racist ideology of traditional status quo values keep this minority group from getting what they are rightfully entitled to.
Republicans only embrace traditional values of hate. It’s disgusting. Grow up.
So why don’t one of you people reply with a candid message of racism for I can feel sick to my stomach again. It’s your kind of crap that gives legitmacy to people like Louis Farrakhan, so keep it up and there always be blacks talking about discriminating against you the white man.

Posted by: republicansareracist at October 29, 2005 3:29 PM
Comment #88777

Greg
A message to blacks….. think for yourself. Just because the head of the NAACP says something doesn’t make it true or right, the same way I don’t look at everything Pat Robertson or some right wing Evangelical Christian says is right. You have an oppurtunity to have a black woman become the leader of the free world come 2008. Blacks should celebrate this as proof that ANYONE can make it in this country if they apply themselves.

I couldn’t agree with you more.

Jason,
No your wife aint sexier than mine. After all she IS my sister.

Posted by: Ron Brown at October 29, 2005 3:48 PM
Comment #88789

As a rascist, (ie registered republican), I am fervently hoping that Rice runs for the Presidency in 2008. The first black President. The first women President. What a combination.

Andre,

You lack perspective in your post. You take snips of information and apply it to all black leaders and all communities. Your post has a striking similarity to a lot of posts written by the Republican side of this site.

Tell me why this doesn’t apply to the blue column as well?

Posted by: esimonson at October 29, 2005 4:53 PM
Comment #88805

Silly Republican!
No one is angry about Condoleeza’s relationship with the President. We Black Democrats admire here for that. We just don’t like the fact that she is a second generation Haitian. Her ancestors are from a country that has oppressed and murdered Blacks since their conception. This is a country that has stolen and raped, pillaged and plundered the poor. This is their claim to fame.

Oh! Look how well the oil stocks went up while the poor Americans went without gas or electricity. Didn’t she work for Our President’s (and I love him so for real) oil company? Sound like Haitian government policies to me. Have you seen what has happened to the people in Haiti? Now look at these CNN statistics:

37% of all Americans live below the poverty level
1.5 Million children are born to unwed mothers
30% of all American women are dying of Aids
America ranks 28 among all industrialized nations in Math scores
Our infant mortality rate is 21%
Healthcare for the elderly and infants is beneath that of even India and Singapore.
50% of all Blacks and Hispanics will never get a High School diploma (Don’t start anymore wars or shall I say “Where have all the soldiers gone?”)
No these are not Haitian Statistics, This is America

The World looks on at what becomes of an America led by The Bush/Condoleeza Whitehouse.

Nothing personal Condi, Just the facts, Mam

Posted by: Gwendolyn Boyer at October 29, 2005 6:24 PM
Comment #88806

Gwendolyn Boyer
50% of all Blacks and Hispanics will never get a High School diploma (Don’t start anymore wars or shall I say “Where have all the soldiers gone?”)

And this is because most yaall buy into the the lie that yaall are’t smart enough to do any thing on your own and need the government to do for you.
Before you scream racism I’m Blacker than the tires on your car.

Posted by: Jason Williams at October 29, 2005 6:37 PM
Comment #88808

Noticing the statistics, I also wonder why anyone would consider Ms. Rice for President. She reminds me of the old church game called “The Devil”. In this game the church finds a particularly attractive and intelligen female who represents their true competition for the hearts of the people. The build her up, then they make members think that she is appealing in many ways. While she is being lifted up, the clergy is compiling data on her to destroy her. That way when she arrives, they have but to offer the data and there she goes and all archetypes like her forever. Never again will anyone respect her or any other person that she may represent. In her case, Blacks, Women, and Foreigners. Is this the Game, Mr. President? We will be watching.

Posted by: Emall at October 29, 2005 6:40 PM
Comment #88809

Dear Black Blacker
I am a college Grad with a BA who owns 2 companies. And You?

Posted by: Gwendolyn Boyer at October 29, 2005 6:47 PM
Comment #88812

As a rascist, (ie registered republican), I am fervently hoping that Rice runs for the Presidency in 2008. The first black President. The first women President. What a combination.

I have to admitt that I haven’t thought of Rice for President. It would make things intresting though. Just the viciousness of the attacks on her and the way she’ll be demonized by the Democrats will show just how racist the party of compassioin realy is.

Posted by: Ron Brown at October 29, 2005 7:01 PM
Comment #88814

Gwendolyn Boyer
I am a college Grad with a BA who owns 2 companies. And You?

Congratulations, I’m glad to see that you didn’t buy into the lies told by the system and took responsibility for your self. Unforunately too many of our race do buy into those lies.
I’m not a college graduate but I own 2 companies and am a partner in a third.

Posted by: Jason Williams at October 29, 2005 7:11 PM
Comment #88815

Jason:

Stop boot licking. I voted for the President and I will just bet you didn’t. If Blacks don’t do for themselves who will? Where I live I see Whites on the streets all day long. They are all ages and types. Considering the fact that no factories exist here, where do these people work? The only place you see Blacks is on a job somewhere. How do these White people live? The government has been supporting these White people since there were government entitlements. The Department of Education, The Department of Energy, The HUD authority, the Business grants programs, just to name a few, were for the White people, originally. The all Republican Depressions of 1932, 1954 and the 1970’s all took place when the Republicans controlled all major branches of the government. They have no respect for the people nor their survival. They are predators. Ms. Rice fits this description. Look at her war. It was so bad that all the president’s advisors left him. They are still leaving one way or the other. Everyone appears to be leaving except Ms. Rice. Gwendolyn, you do not own two businesses. You owned 2 businesses. They were bombed in South Carolina by Blacks. Don’t put on airs for an idiot. I, also, checked out your statistics. They are correct.
I interpreted the Death Card that was delivered to America a couple of years back. I told you that everyone was looking so hard at the Death card that they did not notice the message. The horse was getting ready to kill the mother and child. I told you that it reminded me of the story my daughter read in school about a Hunting expedition that went into the past to kill dinosaurs that were recorded as dying during that period. The members of the party were told to only kill that one dinosaur and to stay on the yellow path.

When one of the members saw the dinosaur, he was overwhelmed with fear and ran back to the ship. After the party got back to their time, the leader noticed that everything had changed. There was no more USA and the language on the posters on the walls was unrecognizable. The leader turned to the runner and asked him if he stayed on the path. He said he did. Then the leader asked him to show him his shoes. On the sole of one of the shoes was a butterfly. You see, that butterfly was ancestor to a species that would have fed a bird that would have fed a larger animal the could have fed a people in a certain region. When the Butterfly was destroyed, the descendants of this chain had nothing to eat. Hence the people of this region were not born or starved to death.

In the current time, there was no one around to fight the enemy when they landed on American Soil.
The Statistics are in:
37% of all Americans are below the poverty level
1.5 million babies were born to unwed mothers last year
50% of all Blacks and Hispanics (the ones who truly fight our wars) will not ever obtain a high school education
America’s Math scores rank us 28 among all industrialized nations
China graduates engineers at a rate of 10 times the mount of Americans
30% of all American Women are dying of Aids
Infant mortality is at 21%
Healthcare for infants and the elderly is lower than even India or Singapore.
2006 dying in the war is low.
Drug use is staggering,
A woman working for less than minimum wage means that they are losing money, not gaining money by working
American children are being removed from homes and used as drug experiments.
Republican or Democrat means nothing to me. All I know is that whenever Republicans control all houses and the Supreme Court like in 1932, 1954, we go through depressions. This one is going to see America in dire straights that will spell the end of the world as we know it. All the money in the world will not help American business or industry. It will not mean anything to President Bush and the oil companies either. Be careful who you think is insignificant. That person may have been the person that could have saved your entire nation.

Posted by: Chiqagolil at October 29, 2005 7:11 PM
Comment #88817

You guys miss the point. Just because there are black Republicans doesn’t mean the party is not racist. It is your laws and economic policies that make you racist. Condoleezza Rice has done nothing in her entire career to further the chances of success for African-Americans. In fact, some may argue, that she has been a tool of furthering racism. For you guys who preach that history is an important thing to recognize you sure do a poor job of it. Until the Republican party realizes that the government needs to take responsibility in supporting slavery you will always be slave owners whipping African-Americans with the status quo.

Posted by: republicansareracist at October 29, 2005 7:16 PM
Comment #88820

Slavery is Right. Maybe this will convince you that History is important. Did you know that The law that guarantees the right to vote for Blacks ends next year? Do you think that Bush’s hijacking of the Polls was a last minute decision? Did you not think that it was odd that only one state decided the election in both of the last two elections.

If Saddam had stolen and election, he would have been punished severely. If he had killed innocent people because someone tried to assassinate his father he would be on trial for his life and removed as a leader of his country. Oh! I for got, he is. Now, should this law apply only to Iraqis or to all of those who commit these attrocities?

I believe that this will be the case against America if Saddam goes down, America under Bush goes down. Saddam is just a pawn and example.

Posted by: emall at October 29, 2005 7:28 PM
Comment #88821

All those stats above did not just show up overnight. They have been growing. It is not rep or dem. It is forever “public servants” controling who gets the goodies. They are totalitarian in nature. They want only to line their own coffers and use the citizens to do it. Aids is killing 30% of all American women? Let me agree with you for just a moment. How did most of those women get aids. There are two main ways. Sexual contact and dirty needles. Who forced them to do either one of those. They made it a “choice to do what they want with their own bodies”. After all the supremes gave them that right. To give you the benefit of the doubt, I will continue to use your stats. 1.5 million babies born out of wedlock. Who forced the girls/women to have the baby. Oh yeah, someone will come along and say most of them were from rape. That would be a blatant lie. Responsibility in choosing what to do with ones body is of paramount importance. The consequences are dire. Of course, the subject of abortion must be raised. For whatever reason the experts want to spout, abortion is murder. And to use murder as a birth control method is hitlerian. Math scores are dismal. The education structure in this country is an abomination. The higher elitist of education continually foist new programs onto the school structure. They fail. Lets try something revolutionary. Reading, Writing and Arithmetic. All else has failed why not be inovative and revolutionary. People need to get involved with their local educational organizations and work hard within to get the results necessary. We pay a hundred thousand dollars for a school superintendant. Most of them could not meet any decent standards. In my community the HS Supertindant took the AZ AIMS test and got 50% on math and she is the top administrator. There is something wrong with that picture. There is so much more to say, but that is enough for now.

Posted by: tom at October 29, 2005 7:35 PM
Comment #88822

Republicansare . . .

The party of Lincoln.

Most of the time the people who talk most about racism are themselves racists.

Posted by: Jack at October 29, 2005 7:38 PM
Comment #88825

republicansareracist
Condoleezza Rice has done nothing in her entire career to further the chances of success for African-Americans.

Your missing the message. The message is to do for yourself insted of letting the government or anyone in government do for you.
I can give less of a damn what race anyone is. Once they start expecting the government to do for them insted of taking responsibility for themselves, the governments system will drag them down and keep them there until they start taking the initiative to make themselves better.
Neither Rice, Bush, Kennedy, Kerry, or anyone else can take the responiblity for for other peoples lives. It’s up each individual to take the responsibility.
The only people that can reasonably expect anyone to do anything for them are children and those that don’t have the ability to take care of themselves.

Posted by: Ron Brown at October 29, 2005 7:49 PM
Comment #88827

1. Anyone who blames or cheers the current status of the economy on the sitting political leaders is obviously sorely mis-informed. Presidential and Congressional plans to affect economic statuses, have and will never take effect overnight. These are policies that will take affect over years. Most plans have a 10 year layout to them.

2. To call a republican a racist is just slander of the worst kind. You have to take each person as an individual. But people have to remember that stereotypes do exist and will be cast upon you wether you like it or not. Just as much as a white person with thier beer-gut hanging out of a stained wife-beater, will be considered white-trash. A black person with their visor on upside down as sideways will be looked at as black trash. It is not fair, it is not right, but it is fact. And if anyone disagrees, think about it this way. If you go to a bank and you see a person wearing a t-shirt with tattos of skeletons and demonic symbols on their arms, and next to that person you see someine in business professional clothing, who will you take your money too?

4. And though yes slavery may have existed in america after the civil war. I would like you to go back and check history to see that is was a republican (the party you so hate) that first placed into america, laws against slavery.

5. And a last question, Why is it that in areas where people are doing well for themselves it is mostly republican controlled, but in inner-city and poverty stricken areas it is mostly democrat controlled?

Posted by: American at October 29, 2005 7:56 PM
Comment #88828

tom
GOOD POST! No one forces people to act the way they do. It’s their choise and to blame anyone else is just making excuses.
Excuses are nothing more than bald face lies given for lack of a reason.
EVERYONE needs to quit making excuses and take responsibility for themselves.

Posted by: Ron Brown at October 29, 2005 7:59 PM
Comment #88841

American

1. I never said it was Bush’s economic policies that are hurting us, but now that I think about it, they are. Nixon and Reagan destroyed our economy and in no way helped African-Americans or anybody but the rich for that matter.
2. Saying Republicans are racist is a stereotype but at least it’s accurate.
3. Yes I realize Lincoln was a Republican but that was when the Republican Party believed in social justice, a concept now considered by the Republican Party to be an element of communism.
4. As for people doing well for themselves when the city is controlled by Republicans, you obviously have never been to Mississippi where black farmers are still sharecroppers. This is slavery and Republicans are racist. If your not a racist join the Democratic Party and quit being a tool.

Sincerely and truely,

REPUBLICANS ARE RACIST

Posted by: republicansareracist at October 29, 2005 8:46 PM
Comment #88842

Jack said: “The 98% who think she is wrong should think about their own success.”

A caucasion person telling 98% of African Americans what they should be thinking about, well, that pretty much sums up the Republican view of Blacks, doesn’t it. Be like us, act like us, hold up the same heroes as us, and you will be well off like us. Yep, that sounds to me like a pretty accurate depiction of the chasm between Black Americans and the Republican Party. No wonder they cherish the few Black Americans they have in their party, rarity is valuable.

Posted by: David R. Remer at October 29, 2005 8:48 PM
Comment #88844

4. As for people doing well for themselves when the city is controlled by Republicans, you obviously have never been to Mississippi where black farmers are still sharecroppers. This is slavery and Republicans are racist.

And Mississippi has had Democrats in control from the War Between the States up until just recently.
So by what your saying Democrats are racist.


Posted by: Ron Brown at October 29, 2005 8:54 PM
Comment #88846

Ron

These are federal issues that were dealing with here. The Democrats have never had complete power to change the roots of racism. Not to say they’ve done everything that they could to change these problems, but they have at least tried. The Republicans now have complete control of our political system. To whom much is given, much is expected. Apparently the Bible is a bucket of shit to you guys.
Until the Republican party is eliminated from our political system, I don’t believe it will ever be possible for racism to be truely dealt with until this occurs. Conservatism should have been destroyed by the free market of ideas a long time ago. It makes you wonder if we actually have a free market of ideas.
Let’s face it, Republicans don’t how to win wars, they don’t know how to balance the budget, they don’t know how to unite the country, and they don’t know how to follow the law. The only thing they know how to do is destroy lives. Fortunately, it looks like this is actually being brought to the American consciousness. Unfortunately, you guys might have already destroyed everything that makes this country great. Might I add that REPUBLICANS ARE RACIST!!!

Posted by: republicansareracist at October 29, 2005 9:07 PM
Comment #88851

republicansareracist
The demos control Washington, D.C., New Orleans, Detroit. Three strikes and your out buddy.

Posted by: tom at October 29, 2005 9:34 PM
Comment #88852

Tom you need help.

Posted by: republicansareracist at October 29, 2005 9:38 PM
Comment #88854

David

Yes. I can give advice to anyone. They need not take it, but I can share with them what I think works best.


I didn’t grow up black, but I did grow up poor. Both my parents dropped out of high school and my father (though a wonderful guy) had an attitude problem that helped keep him from being successful in the economic sense. He was self limiting and then he blamed “the man”.

My career has been spent in a competitive field. When I told my father that I planned to compete, he told me “forget it. Those jobs are only for rich kids. You will never get in.” He was trying to save me the anxiety. He believed what he said. But he was wrong. If I had believed him, it would have become self fulfilling. And I would be working at a filling station complaining about the injustice of the world. Funny thing is that even after twenty years of having his son prove him wrong, my father never changed his world view. He just completely ignored the contradiction, much like many people do with Rice or Powell.

Most limits are self imposed. I judge people by what they can do. I expect others to do the same. And the soft bigotry of low expectation is the chief dwelling place of racism in today’s America. Yes, I believe that 98% is wrong about their low expectations, just like the 98% of my home neighborhood were wrong. People may not get what they deserve, but they often get what they expect.

Posted by: Jack at October 29, 2005 9:42 PM
Comment #88860

republicansareracist
The Democrats have never had complete power to change the roots of racism.

They controlled both houses of congress for the first 46 years of my life. And have had 5 Presidents for 25 years out of the 59 years I’ve been alive. Except for Clinton everyone of these Democrat Presidents have had a Democrat controled congress. I would say that if they cared to, they have had plenty of time to change the roots of racism.
Face it guy, Democrats are racist too.

Posted by: Ron Brown at October 29, 2005 10:04 PM
Comment #88864

There’s nothing negros love more than white folk telling them how they think. Power to the people Matt! Too bad blacks aren’t smart enough to not see things in black and white. Thanks Matt for showing a white boy is capable of being above that.

I think.

Posted by: Sara Cynthia Sylvia Stout at October 29, 2005 10:27 PM
Comment #88865

I have read just about every post in this forum, and it’s been quite amusing. There is alot I could say on alot of these topics but I’ll concentrate on the Republicans are racist line. From the end of reconstruction until the mid 80s the entire south, From Virginia to Texas, from Kentucky to Florida was controlled by one party. The Democratic Party. The one with the donkey. Democrats created Jim Crow, Democrats created the poll tax; Democrats allowed nearly 200 black people a week to be lynched for decades. Democrats put my grandfather in jail for 6months when a white girl in his town turned up pregnant (they let him go when the baby was born all white.) It was Democrats who burned a cross in my other grandfather’s front yard when he tried to enroll my aunt in the new all white school down the street. It was democrats in places like NY and Chicago that allowed local real estate groups to force blacks into certain neighborhoods to live in over crowded decrepit housing, and it was Democrats who created the projects to solve the problem (still can’t let them leave the ghetto, so we’ll build high rises) I could go on forever, but I’ll desist here. I’m not a Republican, I’m an independent free thinking black man but I have a real hard time giving my vote to Democrats telling me they just wanna help. I don’t need or want their kinda help.
Self Reliance, Self Determination!!!!

Posted by: AJ Fav at October 29, 2005 10:37 PM
Comment #88866

republicansareracist
Explain how Michael Steele, Condi Rice,
J.T. Watts, Colin Powell and Clarence Thomas are racist. What are their beliefs? What are their writings? What are their actions? Anything that gives you the impression that the above are racist.

Posted by: tom at October 29, 2005 10:37 PM
Comment #88868

I’ll admit that the GOP hasn’t extended it’s hand to minorities as well as it could, but just having a name on here such as “republicansareracist” is pure bigotry. We’re just a party that stands for personal accountability…plain and simple.

When Republicans are at the ballot box I assure you that race isn’t influencing their decision. It’s their candidate’s viewpoints on abortion, foreign policy, the definition of marriage, the war, judicial activism, border control, gun control, and other matters important to conservatives. If that person happened to have three heads and glow in the dark then that’s who would get the vote.

Posted by: Greg at October 29, 2005 11:01 PM
Comment #88869

Ron Brown,

“They believe however that parents are the MOST INFLUENTIAL role models in the lives of their children. And a whole heap of them aren’t very good role models. And this goes for Whites as well as Blacks.”

Well, I certainly agree with that! Yes, parents should be a child’s primary role model and many, many parents don’t do a good enouch job in that respect.

tom,

“Fathers in this country need to step up and do what is right. Pay the child support, build a relationship with the children, seek restoration with the separated mate, rejuvenate the family. This would go a long way to reducing crime, gang activity and so on.”

I couldn’t agree with you more. I too am a step-parent and it’s not easy. My step-son is nine and is already very confused. While my husband and I have been married since he was two, his mother has been through several relationships in that time and he’s been very confused over who his “step-dad” is. See, in his mind, since he has a step-mom (though he calls me “Nini”), he figures whoever his mom is with at the time has to be his “step-dad,” right up until the man disappears to the wayside. It doesn’t help especially now since his new “step-dad” is also his step-grandpa’s son, which also makes him his step-uncle.

Every time he comes over there’s always an adjustment period where he has to realize once again that he’s expected to treat my husband and I with respect and that he can’t get away with the same stuff in our home that he can with his mother. While some of this is due to his mother’s parenting style (she one of those aforementioned parents who aren’t very good role models) some of it is simply the “shattered” nature of his “home.” However, there’s good communication between both homes and we try above all else to ensure my step-son knows he’s loved by all of us. We also try to ensure that none of our negative talk about each other is done in front of my step-son.

Posted by: Stephanie at October 29, 2005 11:17 PM
Comment #88871

Greg,

“You have an oppurtunity to have a black woman become the leader of the free world come 2008.”

I read an article that Rice decided she wasn’t going to run. Have you seen something to the contrary to that in the last week or two?

Posted by: Stephanie at October 29, 2005 11:26 PM
Comment #88873

Jason Williams,

Thank you for sharing your perspective with us. It’s very much appreciated.

Posted by: Stephanie at October 29, 2005 11:42 PM
Comment #88874

Stephanie

It’s my understanding that’s she’s ambiguous w/the issue. It’s not uncommon for a candidate to avoid releasing their policital future, or even deny potential ambitions. Hillary Clinton is doing the same thing. All she’ll say is that she’s focusing on her 2006 Senate re-election when asked if she’s going to run in 08 for Prez. I don’t know what the chances are that Condi will will actually run but I think the prospect is awesome. Agree?

Posted by: Greg at October 29, 2005 11:48 PM
Comment #88875

Greg,

Oh, I would love for Rice to run for office!!! I think it would be an especially interesting race if she had to run against Clinton. However, I’d read an article where Rice herself said she wasn’t going to run. Perhaps she’ll “change” her mind and run after all. Who knows?

Posted by: Stephanie at October 30, 2005 12:14 AM
Comment #88876

Greg,

Though I must say it would take either Rice or Powell to make me even consider voting Republican in 2008, and neither of them would be a shoe-in for my vote. They just seem to be the last two reasonable individuals in GWB’s cabinet.

Posted by: Stephanie at October 30, 2005 12:16 AM
Comment #88879

All I ask is that decisions be made on what the candidate’s and your own views are. If you lean to the left because that’s what’s in your heart, then God bless you for that. I’ve just grown into a conservative, barring a few issues, and have a hard time with many positions that come from the Democratic Party. Hillary Clinton already commands 40% in some early polling of Democracts, based on what I’m hearing/reading. If I recall correctly, her nearest competitor was Kerry and then Edwards, with something like 18% and 16% of the poll. It’s seems to me the Democratic nomination is hers to lose.

I just think Condi could truly give her a run for the money, and it would force and overdue issue to resolved, a woman as president.

Posted by: Greg at October 30, 2005 12:34 AM
Comment #88880

Greg,

“If you lean to the left because that’s what’s in your heart, then God bless you for that.”

Thank you. However, I don’t lean to the left. I’m an independent conservative who’s disappointed with Bush, and all other incumbents. If you want to see where my heart leads me, check out VOID.

“Hillary Clinton already commands 40% in some early polling of Democracts, based on what I’m hearing/reading.”

Scary!!! Well, go figure.

“I just think Condi could truly give her a run for the money, and it would force and overdue issue to resolved, a woman as president.”

I agree completely, though I’d fear that there would be those who blamed a strong third-party or independent voter turn out on both main candidates being women, which would kind of hurt the issue. But, I think a strong third-party or independent voter turn out is almost guaranteed at this point, considering how many Americans are disillusioned with the two-party system.

Posted by: Stephanie at October 30, 2005 1:02 AM
Comment #88884

I think that Black People need to take a long look at the young girls 14 and 15 or younger who are having babies. Most of the comments are about someone taking responsibility. This is rape without a doubt when the male is over 15 and felony rape when he is over 16. This is the major cause of unwed mothers in the Black community. I want to understand why Black Women allow this to happen to the babies of the female gender. Age 14 is a baby. Yet, Black women marry the men who rape these young girls and even have the unmittigating nerve to defend these pigs. Who will ever respect these types of women? Who would ever defend the Black woman if she has so little respect for herself or her baby sister?
This was conditioned during slavery when the Master raped the Black woman in front of other slaves and they stood powerless to help. They conditioned themselves to become just like the Master and rape the female victims of their own race.
White Women are defended not only by their men, but by our men as well. If Black Women do not defend themselves and their sisters, who will?
Why do you think Condoleeza Rice distances herself entirely from the Black race as do so many Black women? Why do you think these women, as one uninformed sister stated, choose to have their children alone? Most of them can not afford the luxury of an abortion like the richer counterparts. Children of 14 and 15 are not emotionally prepared to kill.
The act of Rape is a political issue. When children are under 16, it is called Child Molestation. I do not care how rich a Black man is, or how popular he may be, molestation is a crime that should be punishable by death.
Now tell the Brainwashed sister that it is not a choice when you are not legally able to make one. It is not a choice when you are not emotionally able to make that choice.
It is not a choice when you are not financially able to make that choice. It is not a choice when you are a victim.
Kill the integration related crap and deal with the reality of the situation or just hush.

Posted by: chiqagolil at October 30, 2005 1:15 AM
Comment #88886

chiqajolil,

“This is rape without a doubt when the male is over 15 and felony rape when he is over 16.”

While I agree with your sentiment, the accuracy of this statement is very much dependent upon the state you’re living in.

Also, I must say that this happens within all races in America, not just amongst Blacks. Though, it might be more prevalent in Blacks than other races, I don’t know. However, men raping/molesting teenagers and the women around them doing little or nothing about it is prevalent in poor communities regardless of race.

You’re right, it shouldn’t happen. All women and all men should stand up against this kind of violence. Children are NOT mature enough to choose to have consentual sex and teenagers are still children. However, this isn’t a race issue. It’s not even a wealth issue. Rape and molestion happen to women and girls across this country from all walks of life.

Posted by: Stephanie at October 30, 2005 1:39 AM
Comment #88959

I do not know about the White race because when one of their women is raped, molested, or touched, there are classes offered, self-defense classes offered, and there are multiple arrests. When a Black woman is raped, the Black community takes the side of the rapist. Anyone that does not see this is walking around with rose colored glasses. Take R. Kelly, please!

Posted by: emall111 at October 30, 2005 1:30 PM
Comment #88964

emall111,

That is not always the way it works with either stereotype you’ve just described. Women of all races, white, black and all others, are told that it was their fault they were raped, or that they were asking for it. That this happens at all is wrong, but it’s a great injustice to all the other women this happens to for you to claim it only happens to Black women.

Posted by: Stephanie at October 30, 2005 1:41 PM
Comment #88984

I would say that the new book, by Dick Morris, could help some of you understand the differences between a party doll like Hillbillery, and the real thing like Rice.

Posted by: steve at October 30, 2005 4:13 PM
Comment #88985

AJ Fav
I’m an independent free thinking black man but I have a real hard time giving my vote to Democrats telling me they just wanna help. I donⴠneed or want their kinda help.
Self Reliance, Self Determination!!!!


You have a lot of company there AJ. Scroll up the column and you’ll see a post by my brother-in-law.
He’s Black, grew up in Georgia, and like you has seen what the Democrat controled South has done. He also is an indendent thinker and finds it very hard to give his vote to either major party.
You most definantly have the right idea of Self Reliance and Determination. To bad more people White and Black cann’t get the idea.

BTW check this out, www.void.poliwatch.org you might find it interesting.

Posted by: Ron Brown at October 30, 2005 4:30 PM
Comment #88987

Stephanie
However, there’s good communication between both homes and we try above all else to ensure my step-son knows he’s loved by all of us. We also try to ensure that none of our negative talk about each other is done in front of my step-son.

That is the most important thing you can do for the boy. I wish More step patents and real parents would do that.

Posted by: Ron Brown at October 30, 2005 4:37 PM
Comment #88989

Greg
I just think Condi could truly give her a run for the money, and it would force and overdue issue to resolved, a woman as president.


I might be wrongon this, but I think that if Hillary runs, Condi is most likely the ONLY Republican that has a chance to beat her.

Posted by: Ron Brown at October 30, 2005 4:43 PM
Comment #89062

So do I, Ron, so do I.

BTW, www.VOIDnow.org works, too! Plus, it’s easier to remember.

Posted by: Stephanie at October 31, 2005 1:20 AM
Comment #89063

Okay, so the link doesn’t work. I did it wrong somehow. But, by pasting it, or by clicking here it should work.

Also, you said:
“I think that if Hillary runs, Condi is most likely the ONLY Republican that has a chance to beat her.”

May the best PERSON win! :-)

Posted by: Stephanie at October 31, 2005 1:24 AM
Comment #89089

Does anyone really know an African who is
a naturalized citizen of the United States. (An
African American?)Surely few of the Black American citizens have ever even seen Africa let alone were citizens of Africa.

Posted by: David P Dickmeyer at October 31, 2005 8:14 AM
Comment #89102

If Blacks can make it without U.S. intervention AKA Welfare then should not the same be said for all those big companys that gave money to get bush in office…I think they call it some kinda welfare I let you guess waht it is called…..

As far as rice she acts white to me and all who see her there is no denying this and I’m sure there are many whites who make fun of her behind closed doors yet feel confortable with her in public…Go figure.
Fact is that Blacks and Whites act “differently” we see see the Comidians make fun of us everyday of our strangeness in each others eyes and we have fun along with this fact both Black and Whites laugh at each other and ourselves.
Well then why not laugh at Condi???
Because she’s Consevitive and some people say that’s not nice.
It’s one thing to walk the fine line in our American culture it’s another to clearly cross it with no intent of comming back , we all try to meet each other 1/2 way whether we admit it or not so we can better communicate with each other even if only on a low key level we all do it.
But Rice’s mind/heart clearly resides on the other side of town she will never come back and nether is she wanted back on our side of town.
She is not a traitor but worse yet a denyer and a neglector of her heritage and her people and she will never see the Big Chair becuse of this mabey the Kitchen flipp’n pancakes with a red rag on her head but not the Big Chair.

Posted by: Tom at October 31, 2005 8:53 AM
Comment #89126

I’m the other tom. I will be changing to tomh for clarity and identification.

Posted by: tom at October 31, 2005 11:31 AM
Comment #89136

Help, help, I’m a middle class white guy being oppressed by black racism! Quick, get the Supreme Court to make some laws to get me into the good schools ahead of those blacks.

Posted by: Mental Wimp at October 31, 2005 12:49 PM
Comment #89144

I was recently posted in this forum of what COndoleeza Rice stated about discrimination and it is as follows:

“We all look forward to the day when this country is race-blind, but it isn’t yet,” she told reporters in Birmingham. Later she added, “The fact that our society is not colorblind is a statement of fact.”

Of course. Blacks seem to segragate themselves. I’m sorry, but I have the right to not appreciate rap music. In fact I have the right to completely hate it. I dislike “Ebonics” and feel that black Americans should speak English. By them speaking in this slang or code language, they segregate themselves from mainstream America. Why can’t blacks tolerate whites in terms of matriculating into that type of lifestyle?? Why do the white kids in school have to conform to their culture. Why can’t blacks conform to white culture??? White people seem to be afraid of blacks because they have you brainwashed. They’re the “minority”. So what?? Everyone hs the same opportunity in this country. In fact as a white male, you today have less of a chance than a black man to obtain the same job because of discrimination (a.k.a affirmative action, etc) Where’s the justice. It’s a 2 way street, but whitey is afraid to stand up for his/her rights.

Posted by: Anthony at October 31, 2005 1:14 PM
Comment #89155


Why do I (Whitey) need to continue to change my life to accomidate others, when they (Minorities) continue there “get back at you” rhetoric and hate dialoge against everyone of European desent. I dont see the open arms from the minorities in this country or the willingness to live in harmony.

Stop the goverment programs that single out groups.

Posted by: MacIrish at October 31, 2005 1:37 PM
Comment #89162

you are one cool dude. amen, brotha.

Posted by: Owen at October 31, 2005 2:23 PM
Comment #89178

I find it disgusting and pretentious that most of these blogs would pigoen hole all blacks in this manner. You are a self righteous bunch of hacks that represent one of the major proublems with the republican party. No wonder African Americans primarily vote democratic. Who wants to be associated with a party who posts this type of rhetoric trash
C.A.W.P.

Posted by: C.A.W.P. at October 31, 2005 3:26 PM
Comment #89249

Owen
you are one cool dude. amen, brotha.

You agree with someone who thinks that Whites shouldn’t act like Black then you talk like a Black?
Sheesh!

Posted by: Ron Brown at October 31, 2005 8:19 PM
Comment #89272

David P. Dickmeyer,

“Does anyone really know an African who is a naturalized citizen of the United States. (An African American?)Surely few of the Black American citizens have ever even seen Africa let alone were citizens of Africa.”

I don’t have current contact with her, but I did know someone back in college who was a genuine naturalized citizen straight from Africa. She was told, quite rudely, that she shouldn’t call herself an “African American” because it had specific cultural context that didn’t refer to her. When I heard that I would have burst out laughing, if it hadn’t been so sad and twisted. The ridiculousness of it was quite profound. It made for a hell of a debate, though.

Posted by: Stephanie at October 31, 2005 10:18 PM
Comment #89308

Ron you sound like Hulk Hogan to me.

Posted by: republicansareracist at November 1, 2005 1:27 AM
Comment #89339

I’ve been following this debate for days and what I find to be most interesting is the fact that if you follow the thinking of several of those who posted comments above, we find that being a rascist is more a matter of what you beleive in, than the color of one’s skin. If being a republican translates into one being a racist, then I’m a racist. If having conservative views makes one racist, then I’m a racist.
C.A.W.P. the comment about “rhetoric trash” applies to both sides of the isle!

Posted by: T. Smith at November 1, 2005 8:09 AM
Comment #89407

Well at least you can admit it Smith. Most Republicans are to naive to recognize they’re racist.

Posted by: rupublicansareracist at November 1, 2005 12:08 PM
Comment #89424

republicansareracist
define racist. Maybe, just maybe I will be able to understand you. You have called me a racist. I am on a first name basis with friends in 18 countries throughout the world. Only 2 countries are considered white countries. So I really do need to understand your definition of racist.

Posted by: tomh at November 1, 2005 1:05 PM
Comment #89513

Tom

Belief in the superiority of a particular race; prejudice based on this (racism), antagonism (this is key) towards other races. (Oxford American Desk Dictionary, 1998)
I believe it may be possible that a majority of Repulicans don’t hate the color of the skin, but your policies are an antagonism toward other races and are there to reenforce your belief in your own superiority, especially towards blacks. If you expect a division of people to be able to fulfill the American dream after being subjected to slavery for the majority of the history by the United States government your a racist. SURE THERE ARE A FEW THAT HAVE ACHIEVE GREATNESS, BUT THERE ALWAYS HAVE BEEN THROUGHOUT OUR HISTORY. It is impossible for African-Americans to achieve as a whole when we have been conditioned for hundreds of years to believe we are subhuman. Economically we are entitled, and yes I said entitled, reperations. I will also add that it is not just the African-American community who deserves more but also many other minorities. Conservatism is the tradition of upholding the status quo, and if you accept this, you must accept that African Americans deserve what they have, and that is the epitimy of racism.

Sincerely,

REPUBLICANS ARE RACIST

Posted by: republicansareracist at November 1, 2005 5:26 PM
Comment #89515

republicansareracist,

Since I’m feeling lazy right now, could you point to specific examples of how current Republican policies are racist?

Posted by: SirisC at November 1, 2005 5:36 PM
Comment #89517

republicansareracist
so much of your definition is created and manufactured. To put large groups of people into a definition per your own thoughts whether logical or not, is just flat out wrong. I am an American, Christian, republican and a lot more. I do not consider myself superior nor inferior to any other person. I socialize with Islamists, Hindus, Athiests, Agnostics, and on and on. They are neither above or below me. They are always on the same plane as I am. So, I for one do not fit your mold of a racist and I believe there are many, many more.

Posted by: tomh at November 1, 2005 5:54 PM
Comment #89526

Tom

Nowhere in that definition does it require you to be consciously aware of believing your superior to another race. It is the application of your actions that make you such. Until you actually become aware of this how can you ever consider yourself a racist, it’s impossible. If you do become aware of this I sure would like to hear about how the majority of your fundamental beliefs have changed.

Siris,

One example I can give are the voting laws that disallow felons to vote. Another are drug laws. Rehabilitation is looked down upon when a majority of us have been brought into a world full of crime and addicition. So after we are brought into a world which the white man created we are condemned by not accepting it. These two problems are examples of African-Americans suffering due to our heritage of being enslaved by the government.
We are raised in a world that is based on narcissistic capitalism which happens to be the heart and sole of the Republican party, and it’s starting to effect more than just minorities. Jesus Christ is supposedly such a big part of Republicans lives but you never even try to live in his image. To whom much is given (and you’ve been given everything), much is required. I personally find this to be the fundamental teaching of Jesus Christ, but Republicans tend to see Jesus Christ as a reenforcement of their own selfishly created beliefs. Republicans do nothing to help the African-American community, but instead do everything to destroy us.

Posted by: republicansareracist at November 1, 2005 6:25 PM
Comment #89566

I have a different veiw of this what you are asking I think is plain and simple what Black people want is to be treated for what they are 95% of blacks are hip hop drug smokers murders wife beaters players unwilling to do right for them selves because they fill that there is no light at the end of the tunnel for them I feel this way and I am not black but I feel the pain that they are feeling in America this sick uncaring distastfull none true born American government is a huge pile of garbage they do not care about good hearted decent caring giving helpful Black people White people Legal mexicans and the first people in America the Indians we all got pushed in the gutter our hearts are broken and battered on the ground in America things need to change and fast.

Posted by: Albert Garibay at November 1, 2005 8:50 PM
Comment #89593

republicansareracist

So you do beleive one’s beleifs alone are enough to have somone labled a racist? Under your own guidelines, that would make you a racist towards me and you have no idea of my race. Do I think that changes need ro be made? Yes!! Do I blame everything that happens to myself and those around me on our government and it’s policies? NO!! You want everything to be equal across the board? The richies of our neighbor’s distribued equally to all? The very idea, by difinition, has been tried and failed, a socialistic government called comunist Russia!

Posted by: T.Smith at November 1, 2005 10:38 PM
Comment #89611

T.Smith

How does my belief system make me a racist?
I never said I thought we needed socialism, but I do believe a more progressive tax system is called for. Yes, I do believe a belief system can make you racist whether intentional or not. Personally I find the mechanics of our government to work for the most part.
I believe as strongly as YOU that people should take responsibility for their actions and by doing such they make changes in their actions and beliefs. You should join the Democratic Party!!! : )
Unfortunately, it is only us that take responsibility for our actions, while the Republicans continue to tell us the situation we are in is ONLY our fault. You unfortunately think African-Americans just want to live on welfare and drink Mad Dog 20/20, but that is not the case and never will be the case.
Your generalizations of African-Americans are far different from my generalization of Republicans being racist. I can assert this claim because not all African-Americans think alike, while on the other hand, Republicans differ only here and there on issues but still always maintain the same fundamental beliefs.

Sincerely,

REPUBLICANSARERACIST

Posted by: republicansareracist at November 2, 2005 12:04 AM
Comment #89622

REPUBLICANSARERACIST

I never even mentioned anything about african-americans!! Leave it to a liberal to read something into everything!! Would you like to take a stab at my race since you already seem to think you know it. As for joining the Democratic Party, been there done that, but the far left has taken the party and the constitution places they were never ment to be taken!! I wish everyone, both parties, would stop the smear tactics! You have taken what few comments that I have made and have not only formed a negitive opinion of me personally, but also must be able to see through these very pages and be able to tell what race I am. Neat Trick!!

Posted by: T.Smith at November 2, 2005 12:34 AM
Comment #89695

T. Smith

I don’t where people get the idea that Democrats are to far left. The Democrats are mostly moderates in my humble opinion. I would love to know what actually makes the Democrats so left wing.
So your a blond black man with blue eyes, I could care less, it still doesn’t deny the fact that Republicans are racist. The Republican party is so far to the right that we now hear terms such as neoconservative. I don’t hear these things about the Democratic party, not that the Democratic party is so wonderful, but it’s a two party system and I’ve accepted that.
I’ve always considered myself to be pretty open, but there is no way I will ever accept the Republican party as a thing that represents the good. In a world with so much grey matter, the few things that are so absolutely clear to me is that the Republican party is racist, the Republcan representatives are a pure form of corruption and hate, and the Republican base need serious psychological help.

Posted by: republicansareracist at November 2, 2005 9:53 AM
Comment #90020

Dear Everyone (especially REPUBLICANSARERACIST):

I would argue the exact opposite. The conservatives, and therefore Republicans, I know could care less about the color of a person’s skin and focus more on ability and character. With that being said, if you are a Republican and you despise or otherwise view Hispanics, Black people and any other race of person with contempt due to skin color please get out of my party.

It saddens me to see that so many people have a narrow view of the history of the United States to believe that all Republicans are racist. In fact I pity you for this is a sorely misinformed statement. The Democratic party has had a longer history of racism than the Republican party. In fact the Democratic south split form the United States and formed the Confederacy because an abolitionist Republican became President, need I remind you of Abraham Lincoln??? By default a majority of the people that took part in lynching in the south, and a majority of the Ku Klux Klan members came from the Democratic party (because after the Civil War most southerners remained loyal to the Democratic Party). In fact Senator Robert Byrd a Democrat from West Virginia has acknowledged that he was a member of the Ku Klux Klan! HE HELD A LEADERSHIP POSITION!!! And he still sits in the United States Senate as a Democrat! Lets face it the United States political system has been riddled with racism. The original constitution is riddled with racism. But it isn’t any more and it is no longer acceptable to be racist. To say that any minority wants to exist on a government handout simply because they have a dark skin color is absurd. But to say that all Republicans are racist is equally absurd. The fact, my fellow Americans, is that we need to move beyond race and look at individuals. We need to ensure that children have access to good schools regardless of race, that communities are not riddled with crime, and that our country is free from exterior threats. Unfortunately there are still too many “leaders” out there that will take race and use it as a means to achieve and maintain power and influence. To believe that there is an active coordinated effort by, “Republican white America” is equivalent to believing that there is a boogey man under your bed when the lights go out at night. It is a scary thought but upon examination it is untrue. In fact, the Republican Party has had more high placed Minority individuals in the federal government than the Democrats ever even thought of having. So please don’t tell me conservatives are racist. It only demonstrates your ignorance.

Posted by: John at November 3, 2005 9:31 AM
Comment #274502

Is it not odd that Obama stands before the MONUMENT IN WASHINTON and speaks of doctor king as if some how 20 millon black people were there at his birthday ,why is it that the collective always assumes that it owns I,
They dont remmeber ABRAHAM AS abraham the sir name take over the person and than the nation claims him. WE DO THIS ALL THE TIME,I A WAIT FOR THE DAY, WHEN WE NO LONGER HAVE NATIONAL FLAGS, AT THE GAMES,HERES TO THE NATION, THE RACE, THE RELIGON, THE HERD, CALLED JOE BLOG? little old me

Posted by: jamescarlisle at January 28, 2009 10:50 PM
Comment #274503

Is it not odd that Obama stands before the MONUMENT IN WASHINTON and speaks of doctor king as if some how 20 millon black people were there at his birthday ,why is it that the collective always assumes that it owns I,
They dont remmeber ABRAHAM AS abraham the sir name take over the person and than the nation claims him. WE DO THIS ALL THE TIME,I A WAIT FOR THE DAY, WHEN WE NO LONGER HAVE NATIONAL FLAGS, AT THE GAMES,HERES TO THE NATION, THE RACE, THE RELIGON, THE HERD, CALLED JOE BLOG? little old me

Posted by: jamescarlisle at January 28, 2009 10:51 PM
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