Western Culture Trumps all other Cultures

Western culture is the best culture in the world. I may have just stated a politically correct heresy - tough - it’s true.

Check out these very recent developments:


  • Norway still best place to live
    From Aftenposten:

    Norway will top a 2005 United Nations ranking as the best country in which to live for the fifth year in a row, the head of the UN Development Program (UNDP) said on Friday.

  • Canada and Australia top Migration Poll
    From SkillClear:

    Young people would be better off moving either to Canada or Australia should they ever wish to emigrate.

    These are the findings from a recent global opinion poll, conducted by the Pew Global Attitudes Project.

    The survey, carried out on over 17,000 people in 16 countries, asked the question: Suppose a young person who wanted to leave this country asked you to recommend where to lead a good life, what country would you recommend?


  • Africans prefer Europe
    From The Oklahoma Daily:

    Africans flee to Europe illegally to escape not only conflict but poverty on a continent where many get by on less than a dollar a day.

    In Europe, they can earn thousands of dollars a month, even at relatively low-wage jobs as housekeepers or factory workers. Many are able to send money home.

    "Even with the fires, is it worse than here?" asked Ephraim Panzu, a 38-year-old Internet cafe owner in Muanda, a small town on Congo's Atlantic Ocean coast where children play and poultry feed on mountains of garbage in the streets. "We live in a trash heap here."

    "Look around," said another Muanda resident, jobless 30-year-old Aime Mvangi. "Would you want to bring up your children here?"


  • 'You have got to be joking', Masai warriors tell rich Briton seeking 'good life' in Africa
    From Telegraph:

    "Why would this man, who seems to be a rich man, want to sell all his things, even his shirt, and come to live here?" said Moses Ranka Ole Masiaaya, a former teacher and village resident. "Here we have no water, it is so hot there is always dust on everything, and I do not see how he can be happy here."

  • Italian tourist island is magnet for immigrants
    From Reuters:

    For every 10 tourists who fly to Lampedusa from the north, at least one "clandestino" or illegal immigrant arrives from the south by sea -- 8,000 every year, according to the Coastguard.

  • Illegal Immigrants' Death Toll Sets Record
    From Los Angeles Times:

    A record 415 people have died trying to cross the border illegally from Mexico in the last 11 months, surpassing the previous high of 383 recorded in fiscal year 2000, a spokesman for U.S. Customs and Border Protection said.

  • Illegal aliens' violent tactics worry Spain
    From AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE:

    It is very difficult to enter Melilla, but the few who succeed take the risk because once across, they are taken, under Spanish law, to a temporary hostel center where they get food, medical care and legal aid -- with the chance of a passport to Spain and thus Europe.


And previously:


  • Two Earthquakes And Their Results Under Two Different Social Systems
    From Capitalism Magazine:

    Within a week of each other, two earthquakes struck on opposite sides of the world -- an earthquake measuring 6.5 on the Richter scale in California and a 6.6 earthquake in Iran. But, however similar the earthquakes, the human costs were enormously different.

    There is another side to the story of these two earthquakes and their consequences. It gives the lie to the dogma being propagandized incessantly, from the schools to the media, that one culture is just as good as another.


  • Berlusconi: West Superior to Islam
    From Radio Netherlands:

    The West is morally better than the Islamic world and will prevail, eventually. That in a nutshell is what Italian Prime M Silvio Berlusconi said while on a visit to the German capital Berlin. He made these comments in a conversation with journalists just before a press conference with German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder. Berlusconi literally said: We must be aware of the superiority of our civilisation, a system that has guaranteed well-being, respect for human rights and - in contrast with Islamic countries - respect for religious and political rights."


Whether we like to admit it or not - everyone wants to come to the West.

Claiming Western culture trumps all other cultures is hardly an ethnocentric assertion. You don't see millions of Americans running across the border into Mexico for a better life do you? You don't see hundreds of Europeans floating across the Mediterranean for a better life do you? But you do see it the other way around.

Here are some thoughts for us from Pat Buchanan in his The Death of the West:

Are all nations equal? Why then are the refugees from all over the world fleeing to the West? Are all peoples equal? In America we have equal rights under the law. But the idea of the innate dignity of every human being and of equal justice under law is not a product of China, Japan, Africa, or Arabia. It came out of the West. Is chattel slavery evil? Yes, but which faith first began to teach that, and what nation began the eradication of slavery? Was it not Christianity and the British nation?

No other culture has matched what Western culture has in terms of innovation, freedom, liberty, rule of law, human rights, and standard of living. Western culture is the most advanced. Modernization is Westernization. Keeping this in mind, we must realize how important it is to support Western society to its fullest extent for ourselves and our posterity.

Posted by Mike Tate at September 5, 2005 1:52 AM
Comments
Comment #78065

The horror, the horror…

Mike, you’re the one in highschool, right? It shows.

unkind k, you may take those kinds of comments elsewhere, they are no longer welcome here. —WatchBlog Managing Editor

Posted by: unkind k at September 5, 2005 3:06 AM
Comment #78067

OK, I am strickly speaking from my own personal experience as a world traveler who has worked some 25 years in the Merchant Marines. I have been to practually every country, excluding Australia. I am a resident of Florida and love it there, but my current home which will also be my retirement residence when I retire will be in China. It is a country I love very much both in culture and people. The Chinese are wonderful people and most other cultures, yes even western, would do better to learn from China. China is an exciting place right now which leads to great opportunities.

I will agree that the only thing western cultures are tops at is personal income. So, I will make my money in USA and then spend it in China. I have it made.

Posted by: Everett Hatton at September 5, 2005 4:15 AM
Comment #78068

UHMMMM Isn’t Mexico considered Western or did Katrina move that also with the storm surge

Posted by: C.L.O. at September 5, 2005 4:43 AM
Comment #78073

Mike T,
Which Western Culture are you talking about? The hard line of the Republican which want to keep The Poor oppressed or The Democrats hard line that believes appeasing everyone? Both are wrong and does nothing to allow our Society to grow. Nonetheless, as your Equal Peer(ie Consumers), America takes a backseat to no one. Now all we need is a political party that will stand up for the Unalienable Rights of All Consumers.

The Founding Fathers of America gave us the ability to do what no Nation in history has done before and that is to live in an unalienable Righteous Nation and is why many want to come here. However, pure economics if for no other reason, over the next few years will cause The World Leaders to rethink the way our Nations and Society function. Besides the “God Almighty Dolar” what does America stand for as a Society & Nation. 40+ years ago it was a matter of pride of doing what is Right regardless. Katrina and the lack of response from President Bush in a timely manner shows the flaw in “I the Corporation” Society of our Elders. However, have faith for as you see it is “We the Consumers” that are now coming to the rescue.

Posted by: Henry Schlatman at September 5, 2005 6:25 AM
Comment #78075

Kind of makes one scratch one’s head when one also reads that the 7.2 million Americans who have taken up permanent residence overseas is a growing number.

Could this be a revolving door in America where the rich are leaving with their spoils as the poor from other countries continue to come in?

Can anyone project the net outcome of that scenario say 20 years from now?

Great topic, Mike T.

Posted by: David R. Remer at September 5, 2005 6:30 AM
Comment #78091

I should point out that the countries you pointed at are all Socialist Democracies. Something America is NOT. Including the US of A in your list of “Western Cultural Superiority” ignores the rather obvious fact that Europe/Canada operates differently from here. The Class Divide in America, for example, is so great that all the Rich in New Orleans escaped while the Poor got abandoned. There is also how the Elderly is treated. Welfare and Human Rights, etc.

I really suggest you study other Cultures more.

Posted by: Aldous at September 5, 2005 7:51 AM
Comment #78092

Mike T.-
Let’s say we agree on your notion here. What then? You’ve spoken out repeatedly on Multiculturalism, so I can assume you think that the vast mix of different influences is part of what makes this country great. What does that leave you with? Western European influences, with their Greco-Roman basis.

That’s only our start, though, and not always a good one. We brought with us slavery, the subjugations of “lesser” races as policy, the assumption of the inequality of women, and living conditions that were closer to what people experience in Katrina that what we would tolerate in today’s society.

A funny thing happened, though. That society got caught in the midst of a mass migration of immigrants, who came in with their religions (mostly Christian, but many Jewish as well), and their cultures, and we absorbed them, their ideas, and a lot of everything. The constitution we wrote to create our new country allowed us to change, to grow more tolerant.

On and on this has gone. And on and on it will go. We have succeeded in the world because we are as good at syncretizing values as we are concretizing them. In other words, we adapt, we evolve.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 5, 2005 7:58 AM
Comment #78093

Pardon me: I can’t assume you thinkthat the vast mix of different influences is part of what makes this country great.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 5, 2005 7:59 AM
Comment #78101

“Norway still best place to live”
“Canada and Australia top Migration Poll”

as Aldous pointed out these are socialist democracies. the reson they are doing so well isn’t that there culture is better. it’s that there economic system is better.

“Africans prefer Europe”
“You have got to be joking’, Masai warriors tell rich Briton seeking ‘good life’ in Africa”


this is because europe is a more wealthy region than africa not that the africans don’t like there culture.

“Two Earthquakes And Their Results Under Two Different Social Systems”

america is the richest country in the world of course it is going to be able help earthquake victims better than iran. in addition the aritcle you quote from is very biased.


Posted by: Voice of Reason at September 5, 2005 8:24 AM
Comment #78104

Umm… The point of this article is that Europe and America are better places to live than Africa? Ok. I’m convinced.

I also like really Australia and Singapore (where I currently live). Japan seems like a really nice place to live, too. And I’m definitely going to scope out New Zealand for homesteading (I like sailing).

The one thing I really miss about the US is the Olive Garden, but since they took the Canilloni al Forno off the menu, it’s lost some of its appeal.

Seriously, though. Much of the world became free over the last couple decades. I felt pretty comfortable everywhere I’ve been in Asia and the Pacific (India and Cambodia being notable exceptions).

But, yeah. I could get behind the statement that the West is best. I doubt many Westerners will disagree. It’s the society we grew up in, after all.

Posted by: American Pundit at September 5, 2005 8:40 AM
Comment #78118

i may once again be overstepping myself here; but i agree a little more study would help. Even Wikipedia mentions the need for cleaning the article.

The terms, east and west come from Christianity in that the western-most (Rome) see split from the four other sees of Jeruslaem, Antioch, Constantinople and Alexandria.

Their organizational differences have effected and continue to effect the entire world. As the west colonized and subjugated in its evangelization, the east integrated and submitted. Western Christianity is organized and politically powerful while Eastern Christianity is disorganized and politically weak.

Western cultures have historically benefitted from the material and human resources of their conquests while eastern Christians have historically shared in the common fate of their adopted (and diverse) cultures such as in Sudan, Palestine, Ethiopia etc.

Posted by: jo at September 5, 2005 10:00 AM
Comment #78123

The West is wealthy. We all know this. That’s why people want to come here! But, it’s our culture that allows an economy based on capitalism.

Posted by: Mike T. at September 5, 2005 10:34 AM
Comment #78124

Mike,

Might you also consider that they want to come here because this same western culture has already used up (pillaged) their own lands?

Posted by: jo at September 5, 2005 10:43 AM
Comment #78125

I’d like to know what your point is. Should we in America become like those in Canada or Europe? I don’t think so. Go on,I won’t miss ya. I always thought Australia whould be nice, not to mention a few other places. But if anyone wants to say that there is a better country to live in, I say goodbye and good luck.

Posted by: John at September 5, 2005 10:43 AM
Comment #78127

How come no one on this blog has talked about ktrina, what can be done NOW, what you expect to see done to help these people, etc. Seems to me that this Blog has been missing the boat for over a week now.

Posted by: Linda Haenchen at September 5, 2005 10:46 AM
Comment #78133

Linda, you may be surprised to learn that Watchblog is bigger than this Republican blog (which I agree has been missing the boat on Katrina). Click here to get the full experience.

Posted by: American Pundit at September 5, 2005 10:54 AM
Comment #78144

Linda Haenchen
How come no one on this blog has talked about ktrina, what can be done NOW, what you expect to see done to help these people, etc. Seems to me that this Blog has been missing the boat for over a week now.

Maybe the right has been doing something to help insted of writting about helping to get that warm fuzzy feeling.

Posted by: Ron Brown at September 5, 2005 11:25 AM
Comment #78148

Everyone is writing about Katrina.

It’s not that this blog is ignorant of reality, I just do not want to repeat past news and views featured in the other blogs.

Posted by: Mike T. at September 5, 2005 11:40 AM
Comment #78151

Ron, appropriate response. Anyone who thinks they have an inside track on why any writers at WatchBlog choose when and what to write about, presumes far, far too much. If you want Republican views on Katrina, there are thousands of Republican blogs which can fill one’s need. No writers here are under any obligation whatsoever to write on any specific topic. As Bill Clinton said this morning, the focus now must be on saving lives and reducing suffering. There will be time for assembling facts thoroughly and investigating after that.

Posted by: David R. Remer at September 5, 2005 11:45 AM
Comment #78153

Mike T,

Please define the word “culture”. The reasons you’ve given to support your thesis only prove that the economies in North America and Western Europe are stronger than elsewhere. Economy is not “culture”.

Posted by: ElliottBay at September 5, 2005 11:46 AM
Comment #78158

It is silly to say one culture is hand over hand beter than another. Our culture may have aspects where it is superior (like, as you pointed out, encouraging capitalism). However, there are some ways in which “western culture” (a very ill defined term, I might add) are not superior. For example, western cultures seem to be youth oriented. Now, I have no proof as “convincing” as yours, but does it not seem that those cultures that put more value on their older members might be better in that respect?

Saying one culture is best is like saying one television channel is best. Yeah, there might be some channels which are terrible, but for the most part it depends on what shows you like to watch, and those shows may be spread out accross multiple channels. If you only watch one channel/culture, you are going to think it is the best and come off sounding ignorant.

Posted by: Erika at September 5, 2005 12:03 PM
Comment #78159

Mike T

Read Guns, Germs, and Steel, by Jared Diamond. There are solid anthropological reasons for the current state of western and eastern cultures.

I doubt the west is in any REAL danger. Maybe we should just act like a good older brother, and lead by example.

Posted by: Loren at September 5, 2005 12:05 PM
Comment #78163

ElliottBay - I appreciate you challenging me on many ideas I write. It really keeps me on my feet. :-)

I would define culture as “a set of learned beliefs, values and behaviors the way of life shared by the members of a society.”

Another term for a Western country is a First World country. Westernization is modernization.

I would say our economy reflects our culture. Western culture is industralized and entrepreneurial and offers a way to achieve a high standard of living. The only way for this to be possible is a market economy, not a command economy.

More food for thought: The best universities are in the West. Millions from overseas come study in the West.

Posted by: Mike T. at September 5, 2005 12:24 PM
Comment #78167

Mike,

May i ask what sort of educational background you have? Public, private, secular, parochial, liberal arts, utilitarian etc

Posted by: jo at September 5, 2005 12:42 PM
Comment #78184

Mike,

i apologize if you feel my question was intrusive. i was educated in our public schools as were my parents and for several years my own children. Other years we sent them to a Baptist then later an Assembly of God school. i also home schooled them a few years using Christian Liberty and A Beka curriculae.

i was merely attempting to understand/discern your perspective. Please forgive me if i offended you.

jo

Posted by: jo at September 5, 2005 1:53 PM
Comment #78188

Ron Brown-
At the very least, you could name and shame those who are responding incompetently, and draw attention to crises and problems. Nows the perfect time to fight government waste: when it costs lives.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 5, 2005 2:16 PM
Comment #78190

Erika, I personally like to watch the Fox News Channel. Is this a surprise to anyone? Since I am a boomer, I also like to nap while watching the Weather Channel.

Perplexed

Posted by: Perplexed at September 5, 2005 2:23 PM
Comment #78208

We can talk about katrina all you want, but we all know that it was Bush’s and his adms. fault. He told God to start that SOB churhing off the coast of Africa. Make a bee line to the Keys, fool everyone, become a damm cat 5 and destroy three coast lines. Let’s not blame right now. It’s demening to the people who are busting ass to save lives………What is there to say. DO SOMETHING!!

Posted by: John at September 5, 2005 3:38 PM
Comment #78230

Stephen Daughert
At the very least, you could name and shame those who are responding incompetently, and draw attention to crises and problems. Nows the perfect time to fight government waste: when it costs lives.

Now isnot the time for ‘naming and shaming’.
Do I think the Governments responds was slow? Yes.
I won’t make excuses for it or critisize it until I know more about what happened.
Do you think it’s right though for people to be shooting at the people who are trying to help them?

David,
Thanks, What I was getting at was the fact that I know of conservitives that are going the extra mile to give aid to the hericane victims.
One of them is my wife, who will kill me if she sees this, who is going to be burying her mother tomarrow, and at the time I wrote my post was going through our clothes sorting out the things that we don’t wear anymore so she could take them over to our church for the hericane victims.
We have a man in our town who has been out of work due to injuries from an auto wreck. He just got released from the doctor to go back to work, insted he’s going to Gulf Port to help however he can.BTW he’s conservitive.
It’s things like this I’m taling about.

Posted by: Ron Brown at September 5, 2005 4:54 PM
Comment #78257

Mike T:

Of course, we all like U.S. and other Western countries. We are citizens and we like democracy. So what follows from that?

Does this mean that people who prefer other countries, as I am sure many Muslims do, are inferior? People in Africa are very poor; does that mean they don’t like their own culture? Or does it mean that we should proclaim to the world how wonderful we are and that every nation should follow us?

Americans have many virtues. But the one flaw among many Americans I detest, is arrogance. All of us were just plain lucky to be born in a free and rich society. We had nothing to do with it. We chose our parents correctly.

We should face other nations in the spirit of helpfulness, not with belligerence, which is the hallmark of the Bush administration. Instead of boasting how wonderful we are, let’s give some money to the Digital Millennium Challenge to help the wretched poor of the world.

Posted by: Paul Siegel at September 5, 2005 6:36 PM
Comment #78259

If you think you can stop government waste, I am with you. But if your going to depend on them to stop, it’s like any coperation gone bad. Somebody has to get involved. There are to many that can point fingers without a clue. And when the finger is pointed back they lose all common sense……To many people have their heads in the sand, and every once in a while the come up and spit out something totaly off the wall, as if they know it all, junk………

Posted by: John at September 5, 2005 6:48 PM
Comment #78267

First let’s talk about what culture is. Culture is a set of adaptations that allow its people to survive and prosper. Cultures that do that well survive and expand. When they fail, they disappear and are generally forgotten. Since conditions are always changing, any culture that doesn’t change with it is doomed. One of the best ways to adapt is to learn from others, taking what is good AND rejecting what is bad. All culture are not equal in their abilities to do this.

Western Culture is and has been an amalgamation of other cultures. It is within itself multicultural. We take what is good from other cultures and make it our own. As Stephen says, we evolve. We adapt. We change and improve. Most other cultures do this less well.

A lot of the criticism of Western Civilization is unfair.

Let’s talk about slavery. Slavery was present in every widespread culture since the dawn of civilization. It was an accepted part of cultures. The more “enlightened” ones tried to mitigate it, but they didn’t get rid of it. Only Western culture both identified it as an evil and abolished it within its own culture.

Xenophobia – come on. There are mosques in Rome, but no churches in Mecca. You can open a Chinese center to advocate a pro-Chinese position anywhere in the U.S. Try opening a U.S. Try doing the same around China. When someone hears a rumor of disrespect, Muslims kill Christians. In places like Indonesia or Pakistan it doesn’t even make the news anymore.

Racism – Places like Japan, Taiwan or Korea will need immigrants to keep their industries going. Where will they come from and why these places and not others?

Sexism? Anyone who thinks that West is more sexist than other places hasn’t been to any other places or has not paid any attention.

Yes, Western culture has lots of flaws. But when you compare it to others, it is not so bad. Western culture is very adaptive and it will be as it has been.

This discussion is becoming less urgent. A global culture is emerging. Western culture is the dominant influence on global culture, but it has roots all over the world. We – all of us – should choose what is best of this and adapt them to our needs. But we don’t have to take everything.

BTW – Mexico is part of Western Civilization for the most part. Its language, laws, literature and traditions are mostly Western.

Posted by: jack at September 5, 2005 8:27 PM
Comment #78376

I’m not sure I understand the point of this post. There’s a lot of pointing to articles written by Western authors in Western publications talking about how great Western civilization is, so we can all pat ourselves on the back, but what are supposed to conclude from all this hurrah-ing? I mean, here’s the concluding sentence from the post:

Keeping this in mind, we must realize how important it is to support Western society to its fullest extent for ourselves and our posterity.

Sounds good. What does it mean? I could guess many things, but I’m betting that to “support Western socety to its fullest extent” does not include opening our borders to Mexico. (Note: “First World” and “Western” are not synonyms.)

The whole thing brings to mind an old Ghandi joke…
Interviewer: Mr. Ghandi, what do you think about Western Civilization?
Ghandi: I think that it would be a good idea.

Posted by: Alejo at September 6, 2005 11:00 AM
Comment #78384

“So, I will make my money in USA and then spend it in China. I have it made.”

Just go to Wal-Mart if you want to do that.

Posted by: kctim at September 6, 2005 11:49 AM
Comment #78402

Yes, in many ways Western Culture does trump all others: we value human life more and acknowledge the dignity of man and the rights of the induvidual a lot more than the East, and certainly more than present day tribal cultures do.

But let’s not forget that our Western Culture owes a lot of its greatness to eastern and tribal cultures throougout history. The tribal cultures from northern and western Europe and from Asia that overthrew Roman civilization left their marks. Another key to “western values” is the Bible of Middle Eastern origin. Christianity and Judaism both have their roots in the Middle East and have adapted to and been adapted by the West.

A lot of what has made us great through the ages has been our ability to learn and grow by adapting the best that other cultures have had to offer.

-Monica

Posted by: Monica at September 6, 2005 1:27 PM
Comment #78409

American Pundit:
Your ‘chick here’ for the other blogs sort of made my point. On the Blue side challenges were made for donations, information was sent and received about what can and needs to be done, as well as how to do it.

It is not a warm fuzzy feeling. It is information, plain and simple.

And I’m glad to see that finally I managed to get you folks, if only for a moment to think about the world around them instead of their individual worlds.

Linda H.

Posted by: Linda H. at September 6, 2005 2:07 PM
Comment #78410

Linda H.

Boy you have a lot of gall! Glad that YOU got US to think about others??? Just because we talk about things besides Katrina at this site?

Your hubris is amazing! I hope you get it if only for a moment.

THis weekend I saw a Spanish station doing a telethon for Katrina. THe message was “Think about all the US has done through the years for Latin America and call 800, etc. Open your Hearts and wallets, ETC.” THe line was busy for hours. It gave me hope for humanity.

-Monica

Posted by: Monica at September 6, 2005 2:19 PM
Comment #78414

Mike T

You haven’t shown how economic strength leads from (or to) cultural strength. I second Loren’s recommendation that you read Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jared Diamond. It’s a great read and should disabuse the erroneous notion that our “culture” is superior.

Posted by: ElliottBay at September 6, 2005 2:24 PM
Comment #78452

To all of you who think hillbillery is something special, your nuts…………

Posted by: John at September 6, 2005 4:24 PM
Comment #78490

If I truly thought I’d offended anyone here, I’d be sorry, but I obiviously didn’t. I am bemused that even Spain, as you said is holding telephons for us, and, and people everywhere, even in the grogery lines are asking what they can do - and this blog wants to discuss “other things”. For a WEEK?!!!!!

I head to Mississippi in a week.
(Since on other blogs I was able to find out that the Red Cross is doing emergency training for distrator volunteers.) Any “warm fuzzies ” I get will certainly be offset by the saddness in our country which no one here seems to reconize.

Somehow I’m not surprised. Gall is not my problem. It’s the one’s who listens to others but do nothing.

Linda H.

Posted by: Linda H. at September 6, 2005 5:51 PM
Comment #78746

I just stumbled upon this blog, and am absolutely horrified.

First, to claim that our culture is “the best in the world” just displays the pompous attitude that so many other countries dispuise about Americans. A few years ago, I worked with two interns from overseas (Scotland, and Spain) and when I asked them what the most common perception of the U.S. was in their respective countries, they both agreed that we as a whole are uneducated about the ways of the world, or that we are completely oblivious to things outside of our own backyard. I’d say your statement confirms their assessment. To the person that originally posted that, how many other cultures have you really “lived” in, meaning been there long enough to realize its essence?

Second, the guy who commented on “the right” actually doing something for Katrina victims rather than writing about it just cracked me up. For two reasons actually - one, he can’t even spell hurricane and he’s telling us about appropriate response behavior and - two, that line about the right doing and the left not is from last quarter’s Republican playbook, old material. How any conservative Bush supporter can comment on “action taken” by the right is beyond me.

Out of the thirty or so posts I’ve read, not one person has made a well-thought out, rational argument, or presented indisputable facts, to support their claims.

Posted by: BDonin at September 7, 2005 12:49 PM
Comment #78877

Mike T,

I can’t wait for you to take your first steps into the real world.

Communism (which is political, not a cultural movement) asside, Eastern cultures have stood the test of time.
Chinese culture predates Christianity by a few thousand years. Except for in the cities where Western capitalism is now rampant, the Chinese do more with less, and treat their elderly like they were actually one of the family. Family units respect their elderly, because they understand where the wisdom resides.
Western society, I hesitate to call it culture, has been over run with waste. America does less with more than virtually any other country on the planet. And we put our old folks in homes so that we can feel free to ignore them without guilt.
People don’t come here for the culture, they come here for democracy (another political, not cultural movement), and for economic reasons.
When folks immigrate to the US they bring their culture with them.

Posted by: Rocky at September 7, 2005 7:43 PM
Comment #78903

Rocky

Don’t over praise China. It is growing fast, but it is still abysmally poor and it consumes much more energy per unit of GNP than does the U.S.

The problem with multiculturalism as practiced in the U.S. is that it tend not to be multicultural. Instead it tends to look only for the good in other cultures while finding nothing praiseworthy in our own. An objective look at the state of the world today would see that the U.S. is doing very well in relation to other countries and in relation to past societies. You can always contend that this will not be the case in the future and you eventually may be right. However, you need to recognize that you are in a long line of people who have counted out the U.S. Check out the literature. The rightists believed fascism was the wave of the future until it was discredited. Believe it or not, leftists from the 1930-the late 1960s really thought that the Soviets would surpass the U.S. After that is was the Europeans. In the 1970s there was even talk about the Arabs buying and running everything. Then it was the Japanese. Now it is the Chinese.

Yes, other countries will catch up. That just makes sense. And some countries will be better at some things than the U.S. You should not expect to be best at everything. But there is a big difference between that and the idea that the U.S. is bad compared to others.

Posted by: jack at September 7, 2005 10:34 PM
Comment #78910

Jack,

“Don’t over praise China. It is growing fast, but it is still abysmally poor and it consumes much more energy per unit of GNP than does the U.S”

In the cities maybe.

Being abysmally poor would lead you to make more from less. We are still a wastefull society, we throw away as much as we consume.

I would never discount Stienbeck, Hemmingway or Fitzgerald.

Posted by: Rocky at September 7, 2005 11:07 PM
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