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Lisa
Let us start with the definition of a liberal.

“A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel.” Attribute this to Robert Frost.

It’s not even that those statements are the same. It’s the fact that Karl Roves are true. If you look at moveon.org or quotes from leading liberals of the time he is right on. I find it ironic that Hilary is so offended by this. She has now ruined her pathetic image as a moderate and labeled herself a lib.

The point is that what Karl Rove said isn’t true. Every single US senator, including the Dems decided to go to war with Afghanistan. Also, Rove isn’t talking about their reaction to 9/11, he’s just trying to CHANGE the way you think about liberals… listen to the way he says it. He wants you to think that is the way we reacted… it simply wasn’t.

Also, he says that Republicans saw 9/11 and prepared for war. That’s not true either, because we know that they were planing to go to war before 9/11. And so AGAIN they are just using that memory to their political advantage. Not to mention the fact that these people who “prepared for war” forgot what they were fighting for evidentally. Osama Bin Ladin is not in Iraq. He is in Pakistan, and we still don’t have him. They are just still trying to make it seem like the war in Iraq has something to do with the “war on terror”. It doesn’t. (except that it has increased to terror rate in the reigion by 10 times.

LOOK AT MOVEON.ORG ???? WHY ?

Just look over in the blue column.

Almost all arguments are based on “bush sucks” or that all Republicans are rich, stupid, racist, christians.

Why Left isn’t the red column, I’m not sure.

There’s really no big difference between politicians of either party. See the many similarities.

But, they both love to lure the people intot the partisan, demonization of each other, so they can both distract the people from the fact that their failing us, and doing little (if anything) to solve these many pressing problems.

The differences between the two quotes are that we ignore people in our party who makes mistakes or speak before thinking.
Bush supporters believe and support the members of the Bush administration when they do the same.
We take Deans comments for what they are,partisan.We don’t get caught up in the moment. Bush supporters allow themselves to buy into anything they are told and refuse to see that the Bush administration means to keep this country split.
Democrats worry about remarks from people like Rove because of the limited thought Bush supporters put into politics. We don’t take Rove or Dean seriouly but you folks do.That’s what worries us.

You know, all I have to do is reverse the order of your quotes, and the new seal becomes the Republicans being crybabys.

Dean says something childish, and the Republicans react with outrage. Then Rove says something false and childish and the Dems react with outrage, and the Dems are called crybabies?
Why aren’t the Republicans crybabies? Both are angry.

Take back your objections to Dean’s statements! People should be able to say anything they want, and the more outrageous the better!

In fact, I hope Dean says something equivalent to what Rove said, something like “The Republicans reaction to terrorism is to murder women and children in the Middle East.”

Is that what we’re trying to promote here?

How about saying the truth: neither statement is appropriate. And the people who say so aren’t crybabies (whether they are Republican or Democrat). They’re the adults in the room.

Karl Rove never addressed US Senators. He addressed liberals. And some leading liberals did not want to go to Afganistan. His statement may be a political move, but at least there is some truth in it. There is none in Howard Deans considering Republicans have elected more minorities into Office than Democrats have.

“We don’t take Rove or Dean seriouly but you folks do.That’s what worries us.”

So, a former Democrat who was a presidential candidate and is now leader of the DNC is just a joke and everybody should just shrug him off like you say you liberals do? LOL!

What worries me is that you guys knowingly put candidates who are jokes up against the Republicans and then let those same jokes run your party.
Talk about limited thought. Sheesh!

Rove was refering to liberals, not the Democratic Party, and he was right. Many liberal organizations, including Senator Dennis Kucinich, urged the US to have a non-violent reaction and to approach the situation more from a law enforcement angle. I find it extremely hypocritical of the Dem. Senators who feel outraged by Roves’ comments yet are not bothered by the hateful rhetoric of Dean and Durbin. Moreover, Rove made his comments at a conservative dinner party and not on the floor of the US Senate as did Turbin (Durbin, excuse me). To label the Republican party as stupid, white and christian is just political suicide and unless the Dems realize that they will not be winning any election anytime soon. Also, great point Tony on the minority issue. Let’s see the first African-American woman as SOS, and the first hispanic male as AG. White Christians?

Karl Rove never addressed US Senators. He addressed liberals. And some leading liberals did not want to go to Afganistan. His statement may be a political move, but at least there is some truth in it.

And some conservatives also did not want to go to Afganistan…but most liberals and conservatives did want to go. Trying to claim Rove’s statement is true and Dean’s statement is false is just plain spin.

Neither comment does matter, I’m ashamed of Rove for playing that game(whether it’s true or not)! I do not want Dean to apologize and I want him to continue leading the Democratic party! Keep the comments coming they only hurt you! Talk about someone needing a resource(Rep. had a much higher Hispanic vote so I’m sure their confused about the last statement)! The great thing about this country is that people take personal insults much more seriously than politics (that’s what you get for pushing PC down everyones throats and now it’s going to backfire on you)! I hate to keep repeating myself but you really will win more bees w/ honey!

I will do my best to put Rove in his place……”Mr.Rove sir, please don’t play ball w/ them let them strike out on their own.”

“Take back your objections to Dean’s statements! People should be able to say anything they want, and the more outrageous the better!”

Yeah, it really boosted Trent Lott’s career.

Lisa
Both are party hacks. The only difference between who says what and if its ok is which party they belong to.
The president lied to the American people: His party still loves him.
The president went to war under false pretenses, dropped bombs on innocent civilians: His party still loves him.
The president didn’t ensure that his military was properly prepared for present and future actions: His party still loves him.
The president had a chance to catch Osama but chose not too: His party still loves him.
The president signed a bill that stipped rights from the people: His party still loves him.
But enough about clinton.

Nice post Lisa but I have to agree that BOTH sides are acting like spoiled brats and BOTH are guilty of ignoring the common good of the people.

tony: “considering Republicans have elected more minorities into Office than Democrats have.”

I’m sure that you think that this warrants the Republicans being more “compassionate and tolerant” towards minorities. In fact, it is almost the exact opposite. Most of the minorities that are elected to office are much different economically, politically, and socially from the minorities struggling for food, clothes, and shelter in the poverty-stricken cities. The Republicans use these rare minorities that actually make it to create a facade that they are tolerant, when in fact they enact little to no legislation that backs that up. If you compare legislation sponsored by Democrats to that sponsored by Republicans, you will see that the Democrats try far harder to lift the minorities up from the poverty.

Concerning the main issue of this section, I agree with Julia and Andre here. Both men made obviously false and useless (besides politically) statements. Both sides have the right to be outraged, but they should also analyze the context of the statements and realize that theu were purely political, meant only to divide the public, and that they need not be taken seriously.

First off, although it is usually taken as a given, I believe the assumption that all conservatives are Republicans and vice versa is inaccurate. I have many friends who vote Republican due to various personal reasons, but could be categorized as liberal depending on the topic at hand. But this is a small point.

More importantly, though, is that Karl Rove’s comments are true. Conservatives did prepare for war while liberals did not run so quickly to the turrets. Unfortunately, the conservatives were so quick to war that they failed to understand the historical context of the 9/11 attack; understanding your enemy is not the same as giving the enemy therapy, but is just good tactics, something that the conservatives apparently lack.

It’s different because liberals have to help pay that bastard’s salary, therefore, we shouldn’t be expected to take well to being shat on when someone in government tells slanderous lies about us in public.
btw, nice seal — shows real maturity.

Ryan~

People have to be educated to get jobs silly- I guess you’re into the whole “Uncle Tom” thing though.

So where are all the Democratic “struggling minorities” in their party? I’m quite sure they would be qualified to take Deans job.

Well said Tracy and kctim, simply brilliant

I find from the posts that all liberals think of themselves as democrats. Do all democrats think of themselves as liberals! No, I don’t believe that they do. The TK’s and JK’s of the Senate reject the moderates of the DP, and put themselves way out of the mainstream. The ultra conservatives of the right think of themselves as republicans and try to compromise with the more moderates. In any case the republicans seem to be able to espouse ideas, while the democrats are in lock step of obstructionism.

Ant, we have been trying to “understand” these people now for over 20 years. Never forget the decades now of violence the Islamic extremists have exacted on the civilized world. Remember the 1980’s embassy bombings, the Jakarta, Indonesia night club bombings (I mean, please what has Indonesia ever done to them) and then the ulitmate, shooting school children in the back as they ran for their lives in Breslan. What’s there to “understand”? If we haven’t figured them out in past 20 years, what do you think our chances are of living the next 20 years?

Adrienne:

Thanks for the compliment in my choice of seal/logo for your party. From the look of your comment, it seems appropriate. If not, you can always fall back to being an ass…

Ryan
Do you really mean that K & K from MA have the poor of this country at heart? Comedy Central is looking for new talent. Check it out.

This is a little off topic, but it is about sticking your foot in your mouth, so I just wanted to share it for a laugh across the board!!:)

Kids Say the Darndest Things #1
A little girl was talking to her teacher about whales. The teacher said it was physically impossible for a whale to swallow a human because even though it was a very large mammal its throat was very small.

The little girl stated that Jonah was swallowed by a whale. Irritated, the teacher reiterated that a whale could not swallow a human; it was physically impossible.

The little girl said, “When I get to heaven I will ask Jonah”. The teacher asked, “What if Jonah went to hell?” The little girl replied, “Then you ask him.”

Bruce:

I find from the posts that all liberals think of themselves as democrats.

Not true at all. I think of myself as a liberal, but I don’t think of myself as a Democrat, and I know many others who think the same way.

Lisa,
Both statements are over the top.

The difference is that Dean is paid by the DNC. No Republican pays his salary.

Rove, as Adrienne noted, is paid with our tax dollars. Both Democrats & Republicans, both liberals & conservatives pay his salary.

It would seem unwise to divide liberals & conservatives even further during time of war; in fact, it seems like a recipte for losing a war; but that is Rove’s choice, and Bush supports him.

Tony,
Here are the polling numbers from immediately after 9/11:

CBS/New York Times, 9/13-14/2001, n=959 adults (source: National Journal’s Hotline).

Should the U.S. take military action against those responsible? Yes: 93% of Republicans, 86% of Democrats, 76% of independents

Should the U.S. take military action against those responsible for attacks, even if it means innocent people are killed? Yes: 74% of Republicans, 64% of Democrats, 67% of independents

What if that meant going to war with a nation harboring those responsible for the attacks, then should the U.S. take military action against those responsible for the attacks? Yes: 74% of Republicans, 61% of Democrats, 65% of independents

What if that meant thousands of innocent civilians may be killed, then should the U.S. take military action against whoever is responsible for the attacks? Yes vs. No: Republicans 66% to 16%, Democrats 55% to 28%, independents 60% to 19%.

And, regarding the question of whether or not the U.S. was in a state of war:

Los Angeles Times, 9/13-14/2001, n=1,561 adults:

In your opinion, is the United States now in a state of war? Yes: 74% of Republicans, 70% of Democrats, 66% of independents (Q11)

If it is also determined that the Taliban ruling party in Afghanistan is harboring Osama bin Laden, would you support the United States and its allies retaliating with military action against Afghanistan, even if it could result in civilian casualties, or would you oppose that? Support: 91% of Republicans, 80% of Democrats, 78% of independents (Q37)

What about Osama bin Laden’s organization itself? Do you think the United States should retaliate against Bin Laden’s group through military action, or should the United States pursue justice by bringing him to trial in the United States? Retaliate vs. bring to trial: Republicans 80% to 17%, Democrats 66% to 28%, independents 64% to 27% (Q38)

(Polling info as quoted from www.dailykos.com)

We might as well strive to be bipartisan here:

Those are great number, but if you’ll notice 20% or more of Democrats did not feel action was necessary. Now again liberals are only a portion of the democratic party. That 20-30% seems like it would fall in line with that portion.

IMO there is a world of truth in Karl Rove’s statement and, as a conservative I am quite proud of the fact that we saw 9/11 for what it was (or threatened to be) and prepared for war accordingly.

There is barely a modicum of truth in Howard Dean’s statement however. In fact, if the Democratic Party needed an enema, Howard Dean would be the point of insertion.

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