April 24, 2005
Kerry's Entitlement
John Kerry seems to think he is entitled to be the Democratic Party’s nominee in 2008.
Two weeks ago Senator Hillary Clinton attended the DFL Humphrey Day Dinner in Minneapolis . Minnesota is a state both parties consider a key 2008 presidential swing state.
Minnesota’s Democratic Senator Dayton introduced Clinton as “the next great president of the United States of America.”
According to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, two days later on the floor of the U.S. Senate, Kerry approached Dayton "with daggers in his eyes and said, 'What are you doing endorsing my 2008 presidential opponent?'"
Kerry spokesman, David Wade, tried to downplay Kerry's rebuke saying:
"There was nothing but joshing on the Senate floor" between Dayton and Kerry, who have been friends for 35 years.
"Respectfully, some lines must have gotten crossed in his retelling of this particular conversation," Wade said. "If Senator Kerry had anything in his eyes, it was hockey sticks. These two old friends and colleagues spent most of their time joking about pulling on their skates and hitting the rink in Minnesota later this year."
A Marist College Poll conducted in February found Clinton and Kerry to be the leaders for the 2008 Democratic nomination:
Hillary Clinton 39
John Kerry 21
John Edwards 15
Joe Biden 5
Wesley Clark 4
Russ Feingold 2
Bill Richardson 2
Evan Bayh 1
Mark Warner 1
Tom Vilsack -
Unsure 10
The Boston Herald reports that Dayton has made other unflattering comments about Kerry. Asked about his support for Kerry last year, Dayton replied:
As Winston Churchill once said, I'd rather be right than consistent.
Kerry shouldn't care about anything Dayton has to say. Last October Dayton demonstrated a colossal lack of judgement when he closed his Senate office on Capitol Hill in the weeks before the November election, citing a vague terrorist threat against Congress. That sad failure to stand up against even a vague terrorist threat may have helped Dayton decide not to seek re-election..
Even after his miserable campaign of flip flops, Kerry appears arrogant enough to believe he is entitled to another nomination.
Posted by Dan Spencer at April 24, 2005 01:11 PMDan,
I hope Hillary or Kerry gets the nomination in 2008, either one will make a plump punching bag.
Al Gore would be too much to wish for, but damn that would be great too.
I’m glad that Richardson in way down on the list, he might have a chance.
IMHO it will likely be Frist/Richardson in the final race.
Posted by: Beagle at April 24, 2005 01:37 PMBeagle,
“I hope Hillary or Kerry gets the nomination in 2008, either one will make a plump punching bag.
Al Gore would be too much to wish for, but damn that would be great too.”
Lol, damn that’s funny!
Quite honestly the Democrats should just throw in the towel now and wait for the 2012 election.
Posted by: Zeek at April 24, 2005 01:48 PMZeek,
I don’t know if they need to wait for 2012, but if those are the Dem.’s top picks they will wait FOREVER.
Posted by: Beagle at April 24, 2005 02:01 PMFolks,
Please get out and add your comments to this website. Right now, it is only leftists:
Provide some of that good conservative wit.
Posted by: Jim at April 24, 2005 02:11 PMThanks for the offer Jimbob, but I’ll pass.
I like watchblog because there IS a balance.
If you just want people to bash those on the left, try gathering them from a chatroom, you’ll have more luck.
Respectfully, Beagle
Posted by: Beagle at April 24, 2005 02:24 PMYou guys NEED to hear this ad for John Kerry.
Posted by: Zeek at April 24, 2005 02:26 PMwe are in the year 2005 you idiots… no one knows who the nominees will be in 2008, remember that thing called a “primary election”. Why not wait until we actually have a candidate before you start bashing them… maybe you could consentrate on other things than taking phrases out of contex. just an idea… maybe your “conservative wit” will be better served talking about something that matters.
Posted by: Ryan at April 24, 2005 02:40 PMWell Well Ryan,
Rather than being an “idiot”, you should wait untill the last min. to think about 2008.
With all your “liberal wit” that should be no problem at all.
If nobody else comes forward at the last min., Kusinish would be an exellent choice.
Posted by: Beagle at April 24, 2005 02:58 PMRyan,
“maybe your “conservative wit” will be better served talking about something that matters.”
Oh we do Ryan, just not to people like you :)
But seriously… that John Kerry ad was funny wasn’t it?
Posted by: Zeek at April 24, 2005 03:28 PMZeek,
That Kerry ad is funny, I also enjoy those from jibjab.
Humor is good for both sides of the isle.
Posted by: Beagle at April 24, 2005 03:38 PMAfter Bush Spreads Freedom to Iran, how can you be sure the World will even exist in 2008?
Posted by: Aldous at April 24, 2005 05:03 PMPerhaps if Hillary and Kerry ran on the same ticket as President and VP there embaressing showing would get rid of them permenently.
In the real world away from computers and chat rooms, you know, where life happens, why is it that Bush bashing seems okay but the conserative rearly speaks up?
Am I the only one that feels alone out there? It seems that I travel in Liberal Circles somehow and must defend the People’s Choice alone.
Aldous,
“After Bush Spreads Freedom to Iran, how can you be sure the World will even exist in 2008?”
Hey, we’ll cross that bridge when we come to it :P
Frank,
“Am I the only one that feels alone out there? It seems that I travel in Liberal Circles somehow and must defend the People’s Choice alone.”
As long as the truth is on your side, what do you care?
Posted by: Zeek at April 24, 2005 10:15 PMDan, Kerry came in with 48% of the vote in a very hotly contested, and well attended election. He’s got a base, a ready-made support structure, and name recognition. I don’t see how arrogance comes into it, unless its in a Republican telling the Democrats that a candidate who nearly won them the election shouldn’t run again. Of course he’ll run again. I would be disappointed if he didn’t at least try it once more.
We will choose the candidate who WE think is qualified, and then you can start picking on him. Right now, it just seems like you’re resentful we’re not getting the message: sit down and shut up. I think the last ten years have burned up a lot of the cooperative currency of my party. It’s becoming a liability to our candidates to be doormats for the Republicans.
So why should Kerry print “Welcome” on his forehead?
Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at April 24, 2005 10:52 PMStephen,
“Right now, it just seems like you’re resentful we’re not getting the message: sit down and shut up.”
Actually Stephen, the Dems seem to be doing just that. I would have expected at least three big names on the Republican’s list to have been taken down by now (namely Delay), but I guess the Dems don’t play that way.
Posted by: Zeek at April 24, 2005 11:19 PM
Kerry would have won if he used more Botox.
Speaking from the Left, god help us if Kerry gets the 2008 nomination. I don’t think he stands a chance though — too many in his own party are still angry at his play-it-safe campaign. He’s seen as a loser, so he won’t be able to garner the support.
I think Hillary will get the nomination, but Edwards and Bayh are much more viable national candidates. Both are pretty likeable personalities hailing from red states who do a pretty good job of speaking to values.
But it also depends on who the Republicans put up, and I don’t think Frist and Gingrich are great candidates. Even Giuliani might have too many skeletons to be viable. McCain’s the best choice, but will he get through the primaries?
Posted by: Andrew L. at April 25, 2005 10:42 AMAndrew,
Rudy or McCain would have no chance of winning, they would be the Dem’s hope for nomination.
Hillary, Kerry, Gore, even lil Jonny Edwards would be my pick for the blue team, they have no chance either.
Posted by: Beagle at April 25, 2005 11:32 AMI wouldn’t mind seeing Rice run.
and on the quick wit front… I wish I had some all day long where I work for a liberal university and am faced with a bunch of brainwashed 19 year olds…
Posted by: Jenny at April 25, 2005 09:06 PMThis article and the most of the posts in here reflect the dumbing of America.
Beagle, (God why am I even wasting my time reasoning with you)
Kerry, Hillary Clinton nor Gore would be a punching bag. The weakest of all of them would be Hillary Clinton but she is not very likely to win, in my opinion. She is a woman and that fact speaks for itself. If it was Hillary versus Rice (which would never happen as I’ll be damned if Rice were to win a primary being that she is a black woman) 82% of Democrats would consider voting for a woman while 63% of conservatives would consider voting for a woman. In January, Hillary had a 49% approval rating (which beats Bush’s rating at times) and Rice had a 40% approval rating. Don’t make me laugh.
I don’t know if they need to wait for 2012, but if those are the Dem.’s top picks they will wait FOREVER.
Do you realize that Kerry barely lost? Spare me.
Bush is the weakest second term president since the early 1800’s, according to approval rating. Let’s face it. You have a lot of work to do. Way too many of the teenagers are becoming anti-war.
Ryan,
we are in the year 2005 you idiots…
He has an excellent point. Any political scientist would laugh at the notion of this article here.
Beagle,
Rudy or McCain would have no chance of winning, they would be the Dem’s hope for nomination.
Hillary, Kerry, Gore, even lil Jonny Edwards would be my pick for the blue team, they have no chance either.
This reflects your lack of analytical thinking. McCain almost won in 2000 but your boy’s dirty politics that he was a race-mixing scroundrel; it shows how phony your whole base is. I cite the South Carolina primaries. McCain and Rudy would win a presidential contest as they are moderate enough. Will they win the primaries? Possibly. They have a chance.
As far as your lack of brain analysis here, HELLO Kerry almost won here. Your no chance doesn’t go very well. You act like Kerry had his ass kicked like Nixon did to George McGovern but I will enlighten you on a few things. Let’s keep on approving of Bush to start a war, piss off the anti-tax crowd, masturbate the Religious Right’s emotions with what he is not going to do, piss off the elderly with his schemes, piss off the pro-gun crowd and piss off the pro-diplomatic crowd and we will see how far your party goes. Use your head and not your heart. Please, you are making a joke of yourself.
If we’re doing fantasy picks, I like Clark/Dean. That oughta cover left and center.
I’m sure you guys on “the right” hate Gen. Clark because he’s a veteran, just like you guys went after Cleland and Kerry, but most Americans aren’t like you.
If we’re doing fantasy picks, I like Gore/Kerry/Clinton and one blown light bulb. That ought to cover everything the DNC stands for. Larry, Moe and what’s its name. And we can skip the blown light bulb, because the DNC can’t see the light anyway.
That’s all the DNC does is stand for a Fantasy, every one knows the DNC’s best choice is an ultra right wing type, that way it will permit them to at least get back to the middle of the road from that distance far left shoulder or I should say left ditch.
Sure I like Clark; he would be good as a Dictator of Russia or France. But he would be much too soft for the Germans. And it’s true he is a Vet, a Veteran Opportunist who will go to any political party that gives him the best deal.
See what I mean? I’ve never known any group more disrespectful of this country’s veterans than Republicans.
Posted by: George W. Bush (American Pundit) at April 26, 2005 08:26 AMDonny,
I gave my honest opinion about who can and can’t win in 2008, and I did it without calling anyone an idiot or saying they lack a brain.
Is it my opinions that make you angry, or the fact that they may well be correct?
“I like watchblog because there IS a balance.
If you just want people to bash those on the left, try gathering them from a chatroom, you’ll have more luck.
Respectfully, Beagle”
You missed that quote so I posted it again for you.
Posted by: Beagle at April 26, 2005 10:04 AMBeagle,
Is it my opinions that make you angry, or the fact that they may well be correct?
NEITHER. It is your ignorance that makes me want to barf. I don’t mind the far right (which neocons only which they were even close to a true right wing), I don’t mind the far left, I don’t mind the moderates; hell, I don’t mind common sense Republicans but I hate ignorance. You still act like Kerry lost by a landslide. I could understand your argument if he lost by more than 5 points, sort of; or if he lost the electoral college by a 100 points but he was so close. Granted, he still lost but Richard Nixon did in 1960 and he won back in 1968. For the argument that “he has no chance” is just stupid. The facts speak for itself. You fail to realize how many people the Bush Administration is pissing off as mentioned above. This arrogant, even dumb observation on your part and many other’s will cause your party’s downfall. “Hey, they are going to lose anyways so why vote.” Unless in 2008 we had a strong right wing third party, I don’t see Hillary Clinton winning. John Kerry has a good chance at winning but he needs a better campaign team. If I was his campaign manager in 2004, he wouldn’t had come across so stupid so many times. As far as Gore, he won’t run so why bother and John Edwards is just too vulnerable but he is likeable and has a lot of passion and common sense when he talks. I would go with Mike Easley/Mark Warner ticket. They would win it by a landslide, I am sure. But the the people of the DNC wouldn’t support them on a national scale which is stupid; but no more stupid than the RNC voters not putting in McCain or Gulliani. You have a guaranteed win. You can play the innocent card like you did in your last post but let’s face this fact; you wanted to run your mouth on trash talking and you were called on it. Don’t get mad at me. Just do your homework next time; that’s all.
Posted by: Donny Goodman at April 26, 2005 08:43 PMJenny,
Who sounds more brainwashed; a 19 year kid who goes with the liberals or a person who is paranoid that big bad Jehovah is going to come and destroy the planet because we allowed gays to be married. You wanted to run your mouth as well on this board and I looked at your blog.
Why Liberals Get on my NervesThey always whine about things being fair when things aren’t going their way and want to change laws and rules.
Most of them either do not have a job, are too young to understand the “real world” because they are in college and living off mommy and daddy’s paycheck, so therefore they have NO idea what it is like to have so much money taken out of their paycheck to pay for welfare crack whores.
They love to poke fun at our president, who by the way went to YALE, and is supported by Rice who graduated with her MASTERS at 19 years old.
They love to conveniently forget about times when they were begging someone to help those poor Iraqis get out from under Saddam’s regime but because a Republican was the one who actually had the balls to do something about it, they complain about the way he went about it.
They love to change the constitution to suit their own needs.
They love to bash Christians and pull this country as far away as possible from what it was originally set up as.
They actually believe that Hillary Clinton could effectively run the country.
They actually believe all the loads and loads of BS that comes out of John Kerry’s mouth.
They are the first to complain about things but have yet to come up with a formidable opponent to anyone running for president in years.
JESSIE JACKSON (‘NUFF SAID!!!)
I’m not a Republican, I’m a Libertarian. I do love President Bush though because I think he is a good man. If I had my way, there would be someone running the country who would get away from all the rules and laws we have. I think the less government involvement in our lives, the better. For example, BLUE LAWS. I don’t know if this is just a SC thing or not but how is it the government’s responsibility to tell me what I am and am not allowed to shop for on Sunday mornings? I think it is up to individual business owners to make the decision if they want to be open during “church hours”. What is REALLY rediculus is the fact that you can go to Wal-Mart on Sunday mornings and they have sections roped off so you can’t buy clothing, CDs, deodorant, etc…! I mean, I can understand if your mentality is to keep places closed so people can go to church and not have to work but Wal-Mart is open ANYWAY! Why not open the whole stupid store?!
Also if a Libertarian was running the country, there would be an end to the drug war. I think that drugs being illegal pose a lot of the threat of violent crimes. Usually it is the people doing the drugs and desperate to get more of them who are committing the armed robberies. Someone arrested for selling pot is put in jail for 25 years but we can’t keep sex offenders off the streets because our prisons are too over-crowded???
And another thing… it is messed up when police are fired for just doing their job. I heard today that the police that arrested that 5 year old girl in FL were let go. They were just doing their jobs! They didn’t use excessive force on the child! Teachers have NO power anymore. I don’t know why anyone would put themselves through that. I commend ALL teachers because it has to be tough to deal with out of control children and not be able to do a damn thing about it.
Ok, so how many whiney-ass liberals did I just piss off? Come on, fight back - I DARE YOU. I’m in a mood to put idiots in their place today…
You want to call me out, fine. I am right here.
- On your first point, that is general politics. I would rather have equal rights though than an autocratic regime.
- LOL, this is funny. I have a job. I am a liberal. I am not in college. Do you honestly think everyone who is on welfare or are in poverty are crack whores? You call liberals brainwashed. You sound like you took some pointers from Ann Coulter’s book. Who is the brainwashed one? Before you look at someone else, observe yourself.
- I could care less about the Iraqi’s and I don’t think many liberals care about them either. “A person who assumes public office becomes public property.” Sorry but you and I are paying taxes as well. You can make fun of the people on welfare, calling them “crack whores” but I can’t make fun of Bush? Actually, I don’t stoop to calling him an idiot. He is a stooge but he isn’t an outright idiot. His policies piss me off.
- Yeah, the liberals want to change the constitution. Gee, have you ever heard of what the evangelical Christians want to do to the Constitution? Please, spare me.
- This one is even more idiotic. Since when has this country been a Christian nation. It was always secular in law, ergo a freedom to practice your own religion. I never knew that the US was theocratic. Even more so, the country did not come about on religion entirely. It came about because the English government wanted to control our government system, putting up unfair trade laws, greed and stamp taxes, ect. The Puritans were a very small factor with this nation, as far as the founding goes. Thanks a lot for being brainwashed by Evangelical, Religious Right spin.
- I don’t support Hillary Clinton. Nuff said.
- The loads of BS coming out of John Kerry’s mouth? Yeah and Bush said he was fiscally responsible and was going to cut the deficit in half by 2008. Nice try.
- John Kerry barely lost the election. He was more than formidable, especially during a time of war.
- I hate Jesse Jackson. Never mind that you couldn’t even spell his name correctly.
Worst part is, you aren’t a true libertarian. Libertarian’s know better than to support the most autocratic regime in the history of the United States. He is even worst than Franklin Roosevelt. Atleast the USA Patriot Act is not worst than the Rico Act but you never know. You should get your information from true libertarian’s and not a bunch of nobodies at First Baptist Church.
Posted by: Donny Goodman at April 26, 2005 09:30 PMDonny, settle down, for the love of— whatever it is you believe in O_O
Also, I feel you are lying when you say you don’t hate the far right. You may try to save face by saying you don’t, but for all intents and purposes, you do (this is based off of your posts).
Posted by: Zeek at April 26, 2005 10:32 PMZeek,
I don’t mind racism and the fascist party. As a matter of fact, Mussolini is one of my idols. I admire Pat Buchanan but the centrist left of liberalism is the best alternative and has the most common sense in the mainstream politics of today as compared to the neocons.
G.W.
” See what I mean? I’ve never known any group more disrespectful of this country’s veterans than Republicans”.
Strange I did not know Kerry was a Republican, but I can see you are a very strange person with no ties to any political party. Clark is perfect for a position as Dictator and as America does not want a Dictator (That’s why they elected Bush) why not go with France and Russia. Oh I forgot, we want them as allies and Clark is not an ally of the American political system in any way shape or form. I take it you have a beard, or are blind because that would be the only reason you can’t see the most disrespectful person of veterans, or you might be a vampire. I mentioned one veteran and you blame me for disrespecting every veteran. So I take it you practice Blind Spite and No Seeing Hate, just for the sake of spite and hate. Do you not think people see what you are writing? You pretend that no Veterans belong to the Republican Party. Please provide you proof of this, and I would prefer something besides your blinded sided portrait of hate and spite.
Let’s see if I have this correct. Clinton could get a blow job in the white house with members of his family in the building, then lie about it, try to destroy the person giving him a blow job and still deny it. While a Veteran Father in Virginia loses all rights to visit his children or even be around them because he had sex while his child slept in the same house in a room down the hall. The father admitted doing it. Strange how the DNC’s Rich Elite Class does not have to follow any of the rules or laws that apply to us non Rich Elite Class who do not belong to the DNC.
While I have never given my support to any one political party, I have been looking at each party active in America. So far the DNC is not even in the running. It could be, but just plane lacks any Hart or Soul worth believing in.
Donny,
“You can play the innocent card like you did in your last post but let’s face this fact; you wanted to run your mouth on trash talking and you were called on it. Don’t get mad at me. Just do your homework next time; that’s all.”
I’m not “mad”, I’m not even angry, you claim to not be angry, but it would seem that you are ready to stamp your lil feet and hold your breath.
Perhaps its time for a “chill Pill” ?
I don’t see where I was “trash talking” to anyone, nor did I call anyone names(directly or implyed).
You then come back with;…
” Zeek,
I don’t mind racism and the fascist party. As a matter of fact, Mussolini is one of my idols.”
And I’m the one making a joke of myself?
As I pointed out to that other fellow, political chatrooms are the place to argue,bash, and call names, watchblog is where people debate.
I don’t need to whine to “WB Mgr.”, they do a pretty damn good job without my help.
Respectfully, Beagle
Beagle,
I’m not “mad”, I’m not even angry, you claim to not be angry, but it would seem that you are ready to stamp your lil feet and hold your breath.
Perhaps its time for a “chill Pill” ?
I don’t see where I was “trash talking” to anyone, nor did I call anyone names(directly or implyed).
Maybe I do need a “chill pill” from the ignorance that I see. I never said you were angry. I reread over my posts and no; I didn’t say you were angry. I am sure it gets a little under your skin through that I call you out on your mindless theories. Either way, you’ll deny that, but I will show where you were talking thrash.
- I hope Hillary or Kerry gets the nomination in 2008, either one will make a plump punching bag.
Al Gore would be too much to wish for, but damn that would be great too.
- I don’t know if they need to wait for 2012, but if those are the Dem.’s top picks they will wait FOREVER.
- If you just want people to bash those on the left, try gathering them from a chatroom, you’ll have more luck. (gee, that’s what you did in the last two posts before that.)
- Hillary, Kerry, Gore, even lil Jonny Edwards would be my pick for the blue team, they have no chance either. (never mind that this was a stupid analysis)
Thanks a lot for proving that you are a liar as well.
And I’m the one making a joke of myself?As I pointed out to that other fellow, political chatrooms are the place to argue,bash, and call names, watchblog is where people debate.
I don’t need to whine to “WB Mgr.”, they do a pretty damn good job without my help.
Respectfully, Beagle
Sorry but the statistics and history proves that the Aryan race is supreme. It proves more than anything that the neocons will try to sell you. Unfortunately, you fall for it; line and sinker. As far as my whole far right, mass genocide bit goes; that is a whole other topic. Please keep on using all of the inneuendo that you’d like, this post was pointless in that all it brought was a bunch of brainless neocons to talk trash about liberals. I will defend the candidates that I sponser. Keep on talking junk because in a few years; the Democrats will make a come back.
Who said anything about the Watchblog Manager? This is getting more schizophrenic by the second; I’m afraid.
Donny, I can’t even hear your voice but I can feel your venom. You didn’t have to call anyone “names” because we can all tell that’s what you WANT to do… Sometimes I think you’re too attached to politics (which is a hefty accusation coming from someone like me). Perhaps you have a good reason to get so worked up over this… but I’m not seeing it.
Posted by: Zeek at April 27, 2005 10:16 PMZeek,
Actually, that is not what I want to do. What I want to combat is the insanity of it all. How about you read through this forum. You will see nothing but the most disrespectful “venom” around. I don’t care if they think a Republican is going to win in 2008. That is not the issue. It comes from the fact that they seriously think that they will win by some landslide like Kerry didn’t give a good fight and come close to winning. What I see here is ignorance. It is pure ignorance. If you are going to talk about Kerry like he is George McGovern, base it with some fact. All I have seen here is someone trying to rub their nose at the liberals like they won by some landslide. Worst part is, they refer to Democrats as if they are all liberals. I want you to read these posts here. I think you have intentionally ignored a lot of it. Did I just call you stupid? No. I am consumed by politics but the key factor that gets under my skin is not the victory but the sheer fact that everything they do is to piss on the middle class that put them in office in the first place. We can go from the bankruptcy reform bill, to the new way that the neocons want to spout on this “you can’t veto any judges” bill which is going to be disasterous and potentially fatal to our country (and the Founding Fathers knew that), the Privitzation of Social Security, the Iraqi War, blocking stem cell research, wanting to make any abortion illegal; yes I am worked up over those reasons. I am very mad and rightfully so. They are getting screwed themselves and THEY TAKE IT. I can’t believe what I am seeing here. “You liberals are whinny, you always lose, you will never win, you don’t have a job, you are a bunch of pussies” that is what I have been seeing from half of the people who have posted on this. Look at Jenny, God, let’s talk about someone who doesn’t have a clue. I want people to have a clue. Idealogy is not my concern as you can see with how flexible I can be on which political party I choose. Ignorance is what makes me mad. All I see here is a reason why the country that I am living in is going to inevitably fall and fall hard. It is consumed by an uninformed public. I don’t know. I am young. Maybe it has always been consumed by an uninformed public so that would kill my argument; but it seems to me that it wasn’t too long ago when Americans in general had some intelligence and knowledge and not this crazy ranting. The liberals and conservatives are divided on the social issues for the most part; that really aren’t that big of a deal to begin with. The Religious Right believes that we shouldn’t have the freedom to practice our own religion. They believe that, worship or not, we should follow all of their insane idealogy; which is spun for the most part anyway. As far as economics go, the liberals and conservatives; Democrats and Republicans aren’t that far apart. I don’t know why so much hatred exist but the whole “liberals don’t work” part is starting to get under my skin. This whole, “you should believe what I believe” is starting to get under my skin. Why? Because it is dumb rhetoric that is implied by stupid politicians. C’mon Zeek. You said it yourself. You want independent thinkers. Where is it? I see it but it is so rare now. Maybe I have went on the edge of absolute paranoia but it does seem to be getting that way. I was born here to want to raise my kids here and live in a peaceful manner. I don’t see it anymore and it doesn’t seem like a lot of the people are coming to their senses. It is embarrassing. Let’s talk about outsourcing here. What kind of stupid answer am I hearing all the time? “They are taking jobs that people don’t want.” Yeah, okay. That’s the stupid Bush answer. That is about as stupid as the whole Terrorist-Magnet Postulate about the Iraqi War. It is just driving me nuts. I am more than entitled to be mad and when worst comes to worst and this stupid bickering keeps on happening; we may just hit a civil war assuming that enough people in this country aren’t captivated by their own television screens and can pay attention and are concerned about this countries problems. My view is that Americans need to become more humble. Perhaps, perhaps, so many people are consumed by their own money and consumer spending that they stop giving a damn. Maybe it is all a subconscious mindset that they want their own country ruined. If we want solutions, this has got to stop. The stupidity, rhetoric and ignorance has got to stop. I am just giving the equal or opposite reaction. When you deal with ignorance and laughter; someone has to lash out. Unfortunately, it seems like I am the only one here defending the liberals from these outlandish accusations. Thanks Zeek but I hope I explained my points to you. Maybe this will give you a psychoanalysis as to why I am being so aggressive in my debate. This is not about calling someone stupid or brainwashed. This is about attacking the ignorance going on as I can prove them. It wouldn’t be much if it was, “Kerry lost and I’ll think he is going to lose again.” This is, “Kerry does not have a chance to win.” That is insane. If I am not allowed to attack that stupid notion then must I remain in the bondage of slavery. I invite you to click on some of the blogs of the people who post. I want you to hear there rants that are so absurd. Hell, I posted one. I don’t have any job, I live off of the system, some of my friends are crack whores on welfare, I love Jesse Jackson, I love Hillary Clinton, etcetera. Look at it yourself and tell me, honestly tell me; if that were you they were attacking, you wouldn’t be pissed off. If not mad, how could you not be? Where is the pride at?
As long as we’re all venting, I might a well join in. I think the problem is the Republican Party is too proud to admit that they could screw things up just as bad or worse than the Democrats. What’s more, they’ve been stoked by a generation of irresponsible preachers, politicitans and pundits into being positively phobic about the Democrats returning to power, so they not only can’t admit as a party that they’re screwing things up, they’re utterly paranoid about what happens to our country if my party starts winning elections.
Yoda summed it up well: Fear is the path to the dark side: fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering. We’re suffering for the fact that the Republicans as a party cannot admit that they can fail because of what they do as a party, not we. Even holding all the cards in terms of our branches of government, they’re still incapable of admitting their fallibility, and accepting criticism as valid when it fits the facts.
Politics is about more than just winning. It’s about a government’s responsibility to its citizens. if this government is to be held unaccountable to its citizens, we might as well turn fascist or communist and drop the pretense. Democracy without transparency is a mockery of itself.
Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at April 28, 2005 12:06 PMDonny,
“It comes from the fact that they seriously think that they will win by some landslide like Kerry didn’t give a good fight and come close to winning. What I see here is ignorance.”
But what does it matter? You’re still avoiding the question, why do you have to get so worked up? Fools will be fools, there’s no point in trying to change the world.
“All I have seen here is someone trying to rub their nose at the liberals like they won by some landslide.”
Yeah, and you’re letting it get to you which makes it all the more entertaining for them.
“They are getting screwed themselves and THEY TAKE IT.”
SO LET THEM— JEEZ, It’s not like it has to be your problem.
“Look at Jenny, God, let’s talk about someone who doesn’t have a clue.”
See, that right there is insinuating Jenny is a moron.
“C’mon Zeek. You said it yourself. You want independent thinkers. Where is it?”
I want independent thinkers but at the same time I realize that there are limitations that many people have. In the words of Sun Tzu, “The wise general doesn’t ask for extraordinary feats from average soldiers.”
“Look at it yourself and tell me, honestly tell me; if that were you they were attacking, you wouldn’t be pissed off. If not mad, how could you not be? Where is the pride at?”
Pride can be a destructive thing Donny… I know that many of the people who attack me are losers who will never amount to much in life, so why let them get to me? People with intelligent remarks that criticize me often just make me a better person. What’s to be mad about? What pride of mine is being damaged? It’s the idiot that shames himself, not me.
Stephen,
“Yoda summed it up well:”
NERDS!
Posted by: Zeek at April 28, 2005 05:07 PMStephen,
Good post, thanks.
Zeek,
You’re right. Why should I let it get to me? More so than that, the philosophy you have presented makes a lot of sense. I demand too much from people who may not just be capable. I apologize.
Stephen:
I liked your comments. See we Republicans can mess things up just as bad as you Democrats!!
Since everyone else is mouthing off, I don’t think either Kerry or Clinton will be our next president because they are from blue states.
I think Democrats should pick someone from a Red state that can win his own state. (A Bill Clinton not another Al Gore!!) It is is very very simple math. All Democrats need to do is change one Red state to a Blue state and presto, they are in the whitehouse!!
Craig
Posted by: Craig Holmes at April 28, 2005 11:32 PMCraig,
“I think Democrats should pick someone from a Red state that can win his own state.”
See, I think the Dems are failing to use history to their advantage. Afterall, there has never been a Democratic president from the North, only the South. You’d think the Dems would have caught on by now and nominate only southern Dems, but I guess not.
Posted by: Zeek at April 29, 2005 05:20 PM