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How many people total work in the Distract Attorny’s office?

How many were black before the firing/hiring?

Are there more than just 2 examples out of 56, where there was injustice?

Have there ever been cases where blaks were fired unjustly and replaced with whites?

I’m not entirely sure—the reporting of statistics is nearly always poor in the mainstream media. From what I can gather, the number of total employees was in the 100-130 range.

“Are there more than just 2 examples out of 56, where there was injustice?”

Yes, if you google the stories you can see that different newspapers report different injustices. Furthermore under the statistical disparity theory of analyzing racial injustice (which is popular when talking about the lack of black people in certain fields even if there is no other proof of discrimination) the fact that 94% of those fired were white (the other 3 were hispanic) and that 92% of those hired were black would be strong evidence for a discriminatory policy.

Whenever I take a survey that asks race, I like to check off the wrong box, sort of randomly. It is a small act of civil disobedience, but it is satisfying to skew the statistics in my small way. I suppose the race bureaucrats have a way of compensating.

We should resist racism where we find it no matter who is practicing it or why.

Sebastian, I believe and support Affirmative Action. Thank you for bringing this story to light. This is an adulteration and complete mismanagement of the concept of affirmative action.

Especially in public sector jobs, affirmative action should never be allowed to usurp the quality of employee’s credentials and capabilities which reduce the return of service per tax dollar paid to tax payers. I believe if replacements are made on affirmative action grounds, like, kind, and quality professional capabilities must be replaced as well. In other words, hiring a minority with significantly lower qualifications to replace higher qualifications is a gross mismangement of tax payer dollars, pure and simple.

I can understand Jordan’s point about being reflective of the community.
All communities do not have the same ratio of black to whites, or any other ethnic group for that matter.
The percentages are based on the overall population of the whole country - are they not?

What do we think would have happened if the firing/hiring had happened the other way around? Well, I guess we pretty much know. I would have heard of it before now, that’s for sure.

We all want qualified individuals in jobs. Employers should not be required to hire non-qualified people just to ‘fill a quota’.

Same as people should not be ‘let go’ because they are not of a certain race and have the job filled by someone with less experience but of the ‘right’ race.

Common sense goes a long way in a situation like this.
I just wonder why Jordan would want less qualified people working in his office, if that’s the case for most of the new employees vs. the old - no matter what their race.

I suppose you don’t have to tell me what race the two are - Jordan and Connick - I can probably guess.

This was 2003 ? -
“The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, in a preliminary determination, found evidence of racial bias.”

Any updates on the case?

Have there ever been cases where blacks were fired unjustly and replaced with whites?

I don’t know - I would wager that probably there are. But I would stake an even higher wager that, if such a thing happened in this country tomorrow, the lawsuit and adverse media publicity would be so enormous that it would bankrupt even Bill Gates. However, I would wager just as much money that, if this story gets reported at all in the mainstream media, it will be reported once or twice at most. The converse would be reported non-stop, unendingly for weeks and weeks.

Please, understand, I’m not justifying racism. If such a clear example of racism such as I’ve just imaginarily outlined could be found, I would absolutely support fining the company out of existence, or at least forcing the resignation of just about every major figure in the company. But when did “freedom and justice for all” become “freedom and justice for few”?

All races and beliefs are equal in our modern, tolerant society. Some are just more equal than others.

Jack said:

Whenever I take a survey that asks race, I like to check off the wrong box, sort of randomly. It is a small act of civil disobedience, but it is satisfying to skew the statistics in my small way. I suppose the race bureaucrats have a way of compensating.

I don’t think you’re the only one who does that, Jack. I work at HUD, and some data I saw recently showed some odd concentrations of Hawaiians all over the U.S.A. Maybe next time I’m asked, I’ll decide I’m Hawaiian.

“When did ‘freedom and justice for all’ become ’ freedom and justice for a few’?”
When the civil rights act was signed and affirmitive action started.

I disagree with affirmative action in most cases because the small plus factors which are argued for often become much larger in practice, and because I think such programs can actually cause or deepen racial resentment and suspicion.

One of the interesting things about this case is that it represents the ascendence of the diversity justification for even extreme examples of racial decision-making:

Sebastian,

These two statements are perfect examples of how the WB Red Column has a partisan tendency to thwart opportunities of finding common ground. It seems this incident came at just the right time, to fit the exaggerated (and substantiated) agenda reflected in these two ‘opinions’ on race and Affirmative Action.

Anyone who was ‘color blind’ and accessing this arrogant move by Jordan, would be only disturbed by the blatant incompetence put into place, thereby shortchanging taxpayers from the very beginning of his tenure. However, removing the racial element from the very same equation, I’m confident in stating that such unfortunate incidents are common in our system of government.

Finally, having been a victim of discrimination and prejudice in the workplace, I’d insist the motivation can no longer be assumed or attributed solely to overt racism. Instead, it’s an over sensitivity (if not paranoia) to the consequences, and the subsequent barriers it presents in treating, evaluating and promoting employees equally and fairly.

This case is astounding. I don’t care what color got fired and what color got hired back…there were some folks that got screwed. If race was a consideration for the replacement of that many people….it’s racism, pure and simple.

Ron,

As far as “freedom and justice for all” and the civil rights act goes….please don’t forget that black people, at one time, were only partially counted as a whole person by our government. I have mixed feelings about affirmative action. I think, like many things in our society it gets abused. However, the civil rights act was not only a good thing it was an honorable thing. People are people…no matter the color of their skin. As such we should all treat each other as we should want to be treated. Treating someone differently because of the color of their skin is backward and hateful.

Yeah. What he (Tom) said.

Oh, yes, many have faced reverse discrimination for twenty years. Oh Yes, reverse discrimination did and does exist. It’s still going on.
And, we hate it and now those that were literally handed educations and promoted to spots in total reverse discrimination and against smarter more capable people.

The only thing that should have been part of any affirmative action was for opening level spots.
Too many have been handed spots and promoted. Know of many others who left cos. or wherever because of some dumbo affirmative action promoted person. ( are quotas from every grouping let in here from all over the world as non-citizens and to detriment of longtime citizens; absurd).

I won’t elaborate any more on…which I could very well.

AND: WE DON’T WANT ANY AFFIRMATIVE ACTION DOCTOR.
or pilot or….
Don’t want any woman fire fighter or police person either. (and will tell them to their face by now too)

Most of you have been fed a line of Indoctrination in the schools for the past 20+ years …and don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes.

Alex -

At the very least, if you’re going to post inflammatory remarks, please use proper grammar and punctuation to do so. Failure to do makes us look bad.

We should never criticize affirmative action without remembering why we have it and acknowleding that our society had engaged in amazingly disgraceful behavior.

That said, I’m not sure affirmative action was a good idea at the time, and I’m much more certain it is not a good idea now … it gives ammunition to posts and resentments like Alex’s. Using racism to cure racism is, at best, a desperate measure. And I still doubt that, in the end, government measures produce private change. What we want is a society where people are judged “not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.” I don’t think affirmative action is moving us in that direction any more, if it ever did.

This is a case of racism- hiring less qualified people over more qualified people in large #s signals another agenda. In this case it seems clear what it is.

I believe that at one time affirmative action was an opportunity for some races to do something or get into a field they maybe wouldn’t have been able to do before. I disagree with affirmative action now and feel that it steers us in the wrong direction. Eg. If my child is an excellent student and was offered scholarships to college based on their grades from high school. If my child were of another color than white, I would be upset to find out the college had given my child extra points on an entrance exam due to his race. To me that sends a message that my because my child is of another race other than white, he is mentally uncapable of doing a good job on his exams. What a way to keep people feeling and looking ignorant. I think it is a waste of time.

We teach our children by example, one day our children will be running this country. I teach my children that there are good and bad people out there of every race. You just have to take the time to get to know them to find out which one they are. We have to realize discrimination is a deadly disease to this country. What about ugly, fat, disabled people. I personally would hire a potential employee on their skills that my company is looking for that would benefit the company vs. making me look good, filling a quota or whatever due to that persons race, religion, etc. The only way to rid the world of racism is to practice, not preach, that all men were created equal.

2 things:

1. Blacks were counted as a partial person to limit the power of southern states in the Congress. This was for and to the benefit of black saves in the South, not their detriment. The fact that slavery was legal at our country’s founding is the racism, not the “three-fifths compromise”.

2. Thomas Sowell wrote a great book, showing statistics that black immigrants from certain Caribbean islands have great success in the American economy. I do believe there is still some racism in America, but Sowell’s evidence seems to indicate it can be overcome. Affirmative Action programs emphasize race, and break us down into groups - I think this only hurts our progress toward the ideal of the “colorblind society”.

Here is a definition of race that I found. To me, it was a tad bit disturbing. I italicized the most disturbing part. The term race has always seemed to implied this with me. My argument is brought full circle when you read the last definition, #5. The last one is the one we should all keep in mind. Lastly, why isn’t the term ethnic group used more broadly?

race1 n.

1)A group of people united or classified.
2)An interbreeding, usually geographically isolated population of organisms differing from other populations of the same species in the frequency of hereditary traits. A race that has been given formal taxonomic recognition is known as a subspecies.
3)A breed or strain, as of domestic animals.
4)A distinguishing or characteristic quality, such as the flavor of a wine.
5)Humans considered as a group.

Tim,
I think the italicized portion of the definition is talking about about the defintion of a group of organisms that can interbreed (so they are still a species) but have different, distinct traits, and not about humans. The “sub” in subspecies does not imply any sense of inferiority, just that that group is a smaller part of a large group.

Genetically, there isn’t much to the idea of different races of humans, since there is more variability between members of the same race than there is between races.

Yo Bri,

Makin’ a point here. Thanks for stating the obvious, “subspecies does not imply any sense of inferiority”, but you do realize humans are organisms.

I was just trying to show, in a novel way, that we are all part of the human race with divisions created on our own short-sighted accord. When one picks apart a statement, like the one I wrote, the meaning gets lost in the remaining minutia. I was hoping to spur thought, rouse slight emotion, not dissection…but thanks for reading.

Tim,
I agree with your conclusion, I just didn’t understand why you were disturbed by a definition. I still don’t really. Maybe if you had explained a little better it wouldn’t have been necessary to berate me for supporting you.

Supporting what stated earlier & all tv cameras are turned on Atlanta Courthouse where: Affirmative Action politically correct (yet tested “unqualified”) “female deputy“‘s gun was taken from her by male prisoner and lost her life…as well as others lives lost.