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Finaly someone who is reasonalble, does not think that a lose for one side or the other is the end of the world.

I do not think it is right for people to have to stand in line for hours to vote.This is not the best example to the world how our great democracy works.
Bernard Tandecki

Harry

Actually we have seen a fair amount of magnanimity over the past weeks, just mostly on the Red side. We have gotten some significant blue support in the comments sections, but a lot more acrimony. The actual columns in the blue section have been disappointingly partisan. If Kerry wins, he will be my president and I have said so on many occasions. I suppose if Kerry wins, the Blues will say they would have supported Bush, but few were making the promise in advance.

Bernard

Americans love McDonald’s but not everything needs to have the fast food model. Voting is important. I stood in line for a long time today, but it was worth it. It is a good example that people are willing to do it. A couple hours in a line is not a high price to pay for freedom.

Bernard, Oregon votes by mail, and it seems to work extremely well. It’s convenient, and voter participation is remarkably high. You might push for that in your locale.

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I agree. finally a reasonable post. both sides can work together to make this a great country.

I will be very happy if President Bush stays in office for another four years to finish the job he is working on. We cannot afford for the terrorists to come to us again. All of the servicemen and women that I know want to get the job done and support our resident. Deseretta

Election 2004 is the most watched and reported election I guess.

President Bush needs to tone down on Iraq and get to work on Osama. He is guy we need to really track down. his every tape strikes terror and outrage in lotsa people I know.

It remains to be seen though what surprises the

mmovery, you may get your wish for Bush to finish what he started this next four years in Iraq and on the economy.

It is as clear as I have ever seen into the future of politics, however, that 2008 will not see another Republican President. The National Debt will be 9 to 10 Trillion dollars threatening senior citizens and the youth beginning their careers, and Iraq will not be a peaceful democracy supporting US interests, but, rather still drawing on American resources as if we were a bank handing out pins to our ATM’s to whomever asks for them.

Cutting deficits which Bush must do in order to even give a Republican candidate a prayer in 2008 will paint the picture of belt tightening on domestic spending in favor of growing overseas export of US taxpayer dollars to foreign countries.

Kerry may actually feel relieved in hindsight if Bush wins. For if Kerry wins, the very same scenarios are likely to play out and would kill any reelection bid he may have aspired to.

David

I see your point, but I don’t think you can really win by losing. I thought the same thing about the 2000 election. The economy was crashing and I figured it would be good if Bush won (because at that time I was a Gore supporter). Bush won. The economy went to hell, as I figured, but I became a Bush supporter anyway.

Bush can’t run for reelection in 2008. I think things will begin to turn up by then, but assume they don’t. A new Republican will come. He can claim to restore the old values and distance himself from Bush. Beyond that, if it is as bad as you envision, Bush will leave his successor a big mess. If the Democrat won, he/she would get tagged for the cleanup.

A bird in the hand today is worth two four years from now.

Anyway, as I write this election could easily go either way. By the time you read it, we might know.

I hope if Kerry wins that he will show some real restraint and not raise the deficit.

I agree that whoever wins has an uphill task in Iraq. I fear as George Will stated a couple of months ago, we’ve already begun withdrawal when we withdrew from Falujah the first time. Where I have been most dissapointed is we have repeated the ghost of Vietnam by subjecting our troops to political fighting rather than military fighting.
If our troops are there give them what they need,let them choose their battles. Don’t half fight another war to save political face.

I hope if Bush wins he will be chastened by a narrow victory and stop allowing our troops to be fodder for Rumsfeld doctrine, political payback, or a flag waving backdrop.

I never postulated that we would win by losing, Jack. The only way America can win is to teach politcians from all parties one helluva lesson by coming out en masse in an anti-incumbency mandate. Only then, will politicians coming in realize they have no political future unless America’s health and well being becomes the first priority, their state’s health and wealth, second, and saving their political career by deception or empty rhetoric absolutely last on the priority list.

Will it happen? Perhaps, but not for at least 2 or 3 more 4 year election cycles, if at all. I am beginning to understand why we have 7.2 million American citizens with permanent residences overseas, and the number is growing. [Census]

Looks like Bush is winning. It is all up to Ohio now. It will be interesting to see how the Republicans control themselves with the Presidency and Both Houses as Republicans.

Good Luck to All and Long Life in Peace.

Aldous.

Pre-Mortem:

I for one plan to become one of those Americans with a permanent residence overseas. I don’t have any intention of abandoning America quite yet (call me an optimist), but I now feel the need for a backup plan. Perhaps I’m in a (very slight) minority, but I firmly believe that four more years of a xenophobic NeoCon agenda will drive the nail in the coffin of America as an already quickly dying world power - all the more reason not to have the rest of the world hating us when the dust settles! I’ve traveled through or lived in over 40 countries and I can see what the rest of the world sees that apparently the majority of Americans are blind to. Please prove me wrong, I beg of you! I Love what this country used to represent, and would give anything to be wrong!

I hope everyone who voted for Bush remains happy with their choice after he pulls out all the stops now that he’s got full reign.

Hey, Robert,

If you want to leave this country, be my guest! You liberals really make me sick. This is the country where you grows up, get your education and all other benefits as an American. Now, because your homosexual-friendly and botox-loving flip-floper couldn’t get elected, you rather move to foreign soil to be in the company of terrorists! You cannot imagined how much I am disgusted by your kind of liberal.

And I feel so great to hear from the Fox News that Our Great President is *just* one vote away from victory. I feel so excited and tired at the same time. Need to get some sleep becuase we are going to have a great celebration prayer-party in the Church!!!

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Hey Maggie,
All foreigners are terrorists? Have you ever met any? Thanks for proving my point; another nail just got driven into the coffin. By the way, I’m a conservative - certainly fiscally, and in many ways morally. I can do you one better, because I’m a TRUE conservative, not one of you token Republicans that think the Republican party is a religion, Herr Bush is God’s Messenger, and Fox News the Holy Bible. If I’m a liberal, than so was Abraham Lincoln - my ideology is closer to Lincoln’s than Bush’s by a mile. The Republican party stopped being conservative the moment Bush took office, began to bankrupt our economy (just like Bin Laden wants), and started flip-flopping on all the promises he made in order to pursue his extreme dogma. You don’t have to be a liberal to disapprove of people who hate - that includes your hateful words as well as the hateful acts of terrorists. If you want to continue worshipping your idol, be my guest! We’ll all get what we deserve in the end - all of us!

Elle,
I am not a sore loser at all - I acknowledge that Bush won this election and he is our president - he got his mandate, if only a small one. It saddens me though, to think that the majority of Americans actually agree with his actions and will queue up for more. I prefer to think they are deceived rather than tacit. It does NOT make me un-American to express my remorse at how far Bush is taking us from our original American values, and slowly but surely destroying our country and its freedoms. If the day comes that I fear, then you will no longer be able to claim that America is the greatest country in the world. When all the values I love have disappeared from America - that’s when I’ll leave and not before. I DO see that day coming, however, if we continue down this path. I repeat I would love to be proven wrong - but that has to be done with actions, not words, and tonight the actions disappoint.

Bush may have won the election; however, now he and the republican party must put their money where their mouth has been. With the White House and control of the Congress they must prove to the rest of us Americans that they can govern.

Like when Ford was President, Our Country is about to see the doubling of prices in goods and services, a bear market, and OBL wanting to bankrupt Our Country. As the leader of the world’s only super power can Bush and Company grow Our Economy, raise Our Standard of Living, and pay off the 8 trillion dollars debt while fighting OBL and his hidden army?

We will see and hold them accountable for now Rush, Hannity, and company has no one else to blame but the republican party they helped put into power. Will the word “Conservative” become just as bad as the word “Liberal?”

Recalling the words of H.L. Mencken … “No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.”

“We cannot afford for the terrorists to come to us again.”

Is this a joke? You think voting Bush back in gives you a better chance at keeping the terrorists out, seriously?

It strikes me as odd that liberal is now a dirty word. Is it because Michael Moore and others have lately been trying to raise awareness of the ways of corporations etc? In my view a liberal attitude is one of trying to raise awareness of minority perspectives, showing where there are imbalances and unfairness in the world, demonstrating immoral and unethical methods of big business and government; while opposing arguments live by pushing them down again, calling them bullsh*t.

Can we all stop fighting now? Please?

“Can we all stop fighting now? Please?”

Too late I’m afraid. Maybe in four years’ time we can think about it.

Damon & Tim,
Today, the republican party lost. No, not the election, but their ability to shift the blame to the Democratic party. Over the next four years Bush must show that he can lead all Americans to a better life without bankrupting this country.

While I personally will work to hold the entire republican party responsible for what happens to Our Country, I feel sorry for the millions of party members that will lose their American Dream. Yes, republicans may have voted for Bush because they love him, yet how many of you will end up lowering your standard of living due to the laws he will pass?

Until “We the People” wake up and realize that the “Corporate World” is trying to take over Our World and change that, Americans and the rest of the humans on this planet earth will be subjects not citizens.

So here is to debating the issues over the next four years.

Henry Schlatman

I might only be 14 and in the ninth grade but i have learned a lot about what your values should be to become President and how to support our country and to keep us safe.I like Bush but i would prefer Kerry because he has better goals, healthcare, and makes me feel that i would be safer if he were President. Kerry seems more prepared and would be there for our country and keep it strong. I wish i could speek out and tell everyone that Kerry would be better for us.
“If I were able to vote, Kerry would definitely have my vote.”