October 30, 2004
After the Election
Where will people stand after the election? Will it depend on the margin of victory? Will it depend on how the election is decided?
This election season has been so full of hate that it is hard to imagine a divided country like ours coming together on anything any time soon.
The hate has been carried forward from the last election. Hate has been fueled on both sides of just about every issue.
We are being told that the country is evenly divided on everything. I find this hard to believe, really.
When reading posts on this web site it is hard to tell if people are defending their Candidate because we are about to vote for a President OR if they are convinced the world will end if the other guy is elected.
Will the battle continue no matter which man wins?
Most people will just go on with their lives and not think about these Election Issues unless they are personally affected or until the next Election.
It's funny to me that in my State the election for Governor is just the opposite. It is the Democrat who lost the jobs on his watch. It is the Democrat who is accused of trying to outsource our jobs to foreigners. (Citizens got wind of this, there was an uproar, and he is taking the credit for stopping it.) Property taxes have gone up and so has the State deficit.
This same arguement is being used by both sides all over the country in Governor and Senate Races.
That shows me that the whole Government is to blame. Not one side or the other.
It also helps my arguement that most all of our Politicians need to be replaced.
I like the way Arnold Swarznegger was speaking in an interview. He exposes people who are for special interests first, and not the people of California. Our whole Government needs to start 'policing' each other and take the interest of our Citizens first.
Maybe some of these 527 Groups will take advantage of this view after the Election, and expose our Politicians on BOTH sides. Let the people know what is really going on and help fix a lot of the problems in our Government.
Posted by Dawn at October 30, 2004 04:20 PMDawn,
Yes Our Country will survive this election. I just hope that the Ekders of Our Society have learned the leasons of the 70’s. Although I still have my doubts, blogs like the WatchBlog.com lead me to believe that “We the People” can openly debate the issues. Who know’s what tomorrow will bring, yet I have to keep the faith that Mankind can come to terms on the issues without a civil war.
After the election we will face debate after debate on the issues we have argued before the debate. However, we will be debating the “Bills” in Congress and how are representatives should vote. This power of the blog has finally “We the People” the ability to be part of the solution as long as all of us is willing to look at all the facts first and settle on a solution that is equal and fair to all Americans. Can you see our elected representatives getting their web site taken down by 50 million visitors trying to e-mail their opinion in? What happens when that 50 million plus start speaking as One Vioce?
Blogging on the issues of the day is here to stay. How “We the Bloggers” use it to better Mankind is in the hands of everyone of us.
Posted by: Henry Schlatman at October 30, 2004 04:57 PMIf there is a clear and decisive win by one of the candidates in both the popular and Electoral College vote, Americans will en masse accept the results, and for those backing the losing candidate, they will resolve to do more in 4 years. The American people expect the system to work to the extent that the appearance of democracy is upheld and Constitutional transfer of power is observed. Note the AND. It is a vital word to this rosy scenario.
If on the other hand, the President is chosen by the House of Representatives or the Electoral College puts one candidate in office without a win in the popular vote, the anger, frustration, and skepticism about fraud, defunct Constitutional provisions like the Electoral College, and a stolen election will smolder and motivate small minorities to action that might otherwise not have occured. We will see an increase in 527 groups, and watchdog groups will not fade away until the next cycle.
And scrutiny of the President’s actions, and second guessing his motives will retain an internet prominence for the next 4 years.
Voters are still up in the air to a great extent whether the invasion into Iraq can be turned into a positive outcome for the U.S. If Bush is reelected, and either the economy or Iraq does not pull out favorably over the next 4 years, 2008 will hold out virtually no hope for a Republican contender for President. The economy and Iraq are inextricably linked now, and they will determine far more clearly in the mind of voters in 2008 whether the Republicans actually knew what they were doing or not.
Posted by: David R. Remer at October 30, 2004 06:51 PMDavid said:
“And scrutiny of the President’s actions, and second guessing his motives will retain an internet prominence for the next 4 years.”
Somehow I see this happening no matter how the outcome is decided or who wins.
Henry,
I had thoughts of starting a website of my own dealing with issues and having people vote. Sending the results to the appropriate Politicians.
It would take a lot more work than I could possibly do on my own.
When I was speaking of the 527’s, I would like them to do more explaining of issues in a non political way giving voters the chance to make up their own minds. The ones out there during this election couldn’t do that. Maybe 528’s???? Something that just lets people know what is going on and how their politician is voting and why.
Try to keep people as involved as they have been during this election. Try to keep their Politician to his/her word.
Posted by: Dawn at October 30, 2004 11:12 PMWe bloggers had no effect on this government. I’m ex-Navy, and wrote everyone that I could in government to oppose the direction that the Bush admninistration took in going into the middle east. We had sanctions, no-fly zones, and had the country pinned. Did I receive any indication that anyone was listening in Washington.
Not one. Remeber it was unpopular and un patriotic to be against the the war. The only people that the politicians listen to are the ones that have money. Even if you come up with facts, it turns into spin and the news question your political motives first, and the facts second these days.
I don’t think we Bloggers, or just plain citizens mean anything to the politicians until election time. And I don’t think we ever will.
Posted by: Roy at October 31, 2004 12:18 AMDawn,
527’s will be revamped in time for the next election so that some other form of “Free Speech” can suck up all the money.
Wishful thinking. Have to start somewhere.
Rome wasn’t built in a day!
Posted by: dawn at October 31, 2004 09:21 AMDawn,
Here is a good place to start.
Anyone serious about looking at what went on in Iraq by Our Government’s Administration than you need to take time to read this.
Welcome this web site for it puts Iraq in present day context. http://www.ceip.org/files/nonprolif/countries/country.asp?ID=3&country=Iraq
Please check “Deadly Arsenals 2002” for http://www.ceip.org/files/projects/npp/resources/DeadlyArsenals/chapters%20(pdf)/16-Iraq.pdf that shows Our Government knew of Al QaQaa back in 1997 (page 18). They even show a map of the place.
Now to really see some of what Kerry and many of us Americans is pissed off at please read: http://www.basicint.org/pubs/Papers/BP46.htm
After you get done reading that material feel free to browse the whole site.
The web site source: http://www.carnegieendowment.org/npp/
Enjoy the read.
P.S.
By the way here is the Butler Report. http://www.ceip.org/files/projects/npp/resources/iraqintell/home.htm It also has the 9/11 report.
I think we will be debating for the next four years easily. Now, “We the People” must make Our Vioces Heard.
Posted by: Henry Schlatman at October 31, 2004 10:27 AM
