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Eric said, “All I’m saying is that maybe the left should think about pulling back the Bush is Hitler, Bush is a liar, fraud, unelected, proto-dictator, and fascist rhetoric before someone goes too far with it and actually acts on the environment of hate and negative emotion created by such statements.”

Good advice Eric, but, you did not go far enough. We need to ask the right to pull back on the Kerry is traitor, marxist, socialist, GI killer rhetoric and the Nader is socialist marxist, isolationist, Jew Hater, rhetoric from the right as well.

I’ll have to look into the Nader socialist/marxist charges. There might be something there, but yeah, the rest is probably partisan fluff.

David, Are you really posting comments at 4:20am? It’s only 1:30 where I am no matter what your server says.

That’s an interesting link, Eric. I didn’t see “violence” mentioned anywhere, and the rhetoric was directed at Democrats as well as Republicans,

…do not misinterpret us, we do not view the Democratic Party as an opposition party, but rather as another side of the same coin.

With this in mind we are encouraged by the mobilization in Boston against the Democratic National Convention, and the massive mobilization planned for New York City against the Republican National Convention.

And you seem to imply that “Facilitate making local connections. Many of these delegates are involved in politics and business on a town or county level.” has some sinister implication. I have no idea who these IndyMedia guys are, but is it possible they are encouraging constructive dialog at the local level?

Hey Eric, I promise I’ll stop comparing Bush to Hitler, stop calling him a oppressive dictator, stop calling him a deserter, stop calling him a bloodthirsty warmonger, stop calling him a cokehead, and stop generalizing all Republicans as fascists… if you promise to stop suggesting Kerry faked or lied about his war record, stop calling him a communist sympathizer, stop questioning his patriotism, and stop generalizing all Democrats as socialists.

For what it’s worth, I’ve never actually done any of the things I’ve promised to stop doing. I don’t exactly fit your Pacifica-inspired image of the “angry left”.

-Cf

To all:

Let’s just stop.

To all:

Aww hell, its no fun to stop. Go ahead and continue with the insinuations, the generalizing, the pandering, and the political and verbal gamesmanship.

But lets DO stop the namecalling—its just juvenile.

Lets also use ALL the information available to develop opinions, rather than only that information which helps our particular side.

Lets also retain a healthy objective curiosity that allows us to understand where the other side is coming from, whether we agree with their position or not.

And finally, lets continue to have fun, continue to use our written skills to joust, and to treat each other with respect ( though not so much respect that we cant jab at each other).

But lets NOT stop!!

If these guys seem to have the same problem with us, Eric, it’s no use blaming us for them. I just wonder why you see fit to react to what every single nutjob left of center says as if all democrats or liberals feel that way.

Should I tar you as a freeper, a militia sympathizer, A card carrying member of the John Birch society? No. I’m content with calling you a Neocon, a designation you obviously fit. You might as well call me a liberal.

My advice? Quite meditating on the greivous plight of a party that controls all three branches of government.

AP, Stephen,

I didn’t see “violence” mentioned anywhere, and the rhetoric was directed at Democrats as well as Republicans,

If these guys seem to have the same problem with us, Eric, it’s no use blaming us for them.

But they didn’t release the names and addresses of DNC delgates and suggest that they ‘visit’ the delegates. And they aren’t calling Democrats ‘killers of the earth’, or racists, imperialists, and brutal dominators.

Should I tar you as a freeper, a militia sympathizer, A card carrying member of the John Birch society? No. I’m content with calling you a Neocon, a designation you obviously fit. You might as well call me a liberal.

Freepers are not the same caliber of people that these indymedia folk are. In fact the Free Republic founder lives in my city. He’s actually an average guy.

What I am pointing out is that they are representing you whether you like it or not. David had a post back on August 7th, “GOP, Racist party still,” where some racist/socialist nutjob who doesn’t even claim to be a Republican, is somehow representing the Republican party. The indymedia crowd is actually representative of the left. They are using the same arguments, and using the same rhetoric. If they are such nutjobs doesn’t this bother you?

Eric, yep, had a well drilling contractor with a 4 inch blade and lengthy stories about his bar fights, get all kinds of upset when I called him on sabotaging one of my well pumps to increase his income. He angrily said he was coming back. Had to baby sit my property last night with a .357 magnum. Sheriff said if he doesn’t show within 24 - 48 hours, he probably won’t. So, perhaps I will get some sleep tonight. He is a Bush supporter, what can I say? :-D (Just kidding… well, I mean he is a Bush supporter, but, no, there are millions of Republicans who are not crooks, and like Nixon, they are adamant about it. — I had to tie this into politics.)

“I’ll have to look into the Nader socialist/marxist charges.”

I guess we both have a sense of humor.. that’s good! There is hope for this country yet!

Name calling aside; publishing the names and home addresses of any group of people is aggressive and an invasion of their privacy. There are plenty of violent people out there and it only takes one to vandalize someone’s house or attack someone’s little girl in the name of a greater cause. In the very least, it gives burglars the addresses of people who probably will be out of town. It is a fascist tactic, meant to intimidate, and those who do it should be ashamed and perhaps help personally liable.

When you’re a Republican, it’s okay to release the name of a CIA agent, but not a delegate.

Great reading tonight! Fun that both sides can shoot jabs and have fun disagreeing (and in some cases just not admitting to the other maybe being a just a little bit right) But I agree with Jack. Giving out personal addresses & phone numbers is crossing the line. Especially in todays world.I vote “hit list”

Could it be reasonably argued that delegates are public persons who should have contact information that is widely available so that both their supporters and opponents can contact them and express their thoughts, wishes, and concerns? I realize that security is an issue in this day and age, but I personally oppose the idea that secrecy and security are synonymous. I think that if the delegates are not safe with this information publicly available, they never really were safe, they merely had an illusion of security that has now been shattered and must be replaced by the real thing.

The Kerry camp cannot avoid the fact that he visciously lied about Vietnam to congress in order to build a political resume.

Eric, I’d say these people were dead wrong to do what they did, but you’re not going to be able to make me feel guilty by such distant association. I’m not going to support people who support such intimidation.

David,

Sorry to hear about your contractor. I prefer a shotgun for that kind of work. Less aiming in the dark and all. Too bad I don’t live nearby I would have come and sat with you. That’s what neighbors are for in my mind.

The Kerry camp cannot avoid the fact that he visciously lied about Vietnam to congress in order to build a political resume.AM

The Kerry Camp has not avoided the issue of his testimony before congress. They have confronted it head on. Kerry did not lie, and I’d like to see you prove that contention. I’d like to see how far you can get in denying what happened there. There are many historical sources to back Kerry.

So, if you have proof these things happen, a solid case to present, then do so. I’ll be waiting.

How does this differ from releasing names and addresses of abortion providers by those on the right; those on the list to be gunned down?

V. Edward: Well, one difference is that the anti-abortion group’s infamous list specifically encouraged people to go out and kill everyone listed.

-Cf

Why is the Republican Party using the “do not call” list to promote their candidates? I live in Ohio and we are getting daily calls asking us to vote for Bush or other Replucian candidates. We have been on the “Do Not Call” list since October of 2003….and they are the ONLY ones breaking the rules. They won’t get our votes THAT way..but then they wouldn’t have gotten them anyway.