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Hope you’ve got your riot gear on Dan,

So, which is it? Seems you want to save face and credibility by doing a piss poor job in denouncing it, yet you equally (and excitedly) want to embrace it, in spite of the obviously ignorant, desperate and despicable-like trash talking you accused Whoopi Goldberg of using!

It seems you do not remember the report of the Al Queda website’s endorsement of Bush’s re-election, citing it as ‘good for business’. At least, those of us from the WatchBlog Blue column never stoop to using it as the crux of an entry post.

What Sen. Lautenberg called Cheney, was equal to calling him a ‘coward’ - the basis of which can be applied to many serving in this administration. How does Cheney’s ‘F-Bomb’ diatribe on the Senate floor rate on your scale of indignation?

Yet again, those of you on the Right have committed a desperate act of lashing out, with no forethough on its ramifications.

Please, don’t ever change.

Ah, yes, the Max Cleland approach. Connect a decorated veteran with an evil terrorist with little or no supporting evidence. I mean, hell, Bush has much closer ties to Bin Laden than Kerry or Cleland’s ever had. Not to imply, of course, that Bush agrees with Bin Laden.

This is the pattern that I decried in my recent column. I’m sick of reasonable counterterrorism policy being labelled as terrorist sympathy. It’s slanderous, and it’s just the kind of needless divisiveness that gives people like Bin Laden the advantage.

The bumper-sticker is obviously in bad taste. Anybody should be allowed to display such things privately, but it has no place in a party office. Odd, though, to hear Dems complaining about it in such a tone when earlier this year a McCaullife’s office had Bush’s faces on a doormat, and considering the speeches of Gore, Dean and the Moore movie, it’s pretty ironic to hear ANYONE on the left complaining about a mere bumper sticker and conservative incivility.

… in spite of the obviously ignorant, desperate and despicable-like trash talking you accused Whoopi Goldberg of using!

She’s on tape, Dan. You can’t just throw words such as alleged or accused on something just because you wish it weren’t true. The most upsetting part of that evening wasn’t Whoopi’s comments, as we’ve begun to expect trash from her and her friends. But when John Kerry says that “every” performer and speaker that night displayed the heart of the American people, he shows how out of touch he is with the heart of the American people. The left is constantly asking the right to apologize for or condemn the rantings of some idiot radical. Why is it so difficult for you to do the same?

As far as the Kerry/Bin Laden bumper stickers go, I agree they don’t belong in the process. Statements like this one should not be officially endorsed by any campaign. I know I didn’t like hearing the head of the NAACP call me and my ideological brethren “the Taliban wing of the Republican Party.”

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I don’t have a problem with the bumper sticker.

It doesn’t “equate” Kerry with bin Laden, as someone suggested. It merely posits the belief that if bin Laden were voting (and believe me he has sympathizers in this country) he’d be voting for the man that wants to return the terrorist problem to an international law enforcement mode (like the previous Demoncratic President) rather than the man that wants to hunt him down and put a bullet in his forehead.

I think there’s truth in the bumper sticker. It’s certainly no worse than the “Bush Lied, People Died” nonsense I’ve seen around Austin.

The GOP has no business having anything to do with such a bumper sticker. Nor should the Dems have anything to do with Bush floormats etc.

That having been said, the bumper sticker sends the solid message that Yonivore says it does. It’s a very effective little soundbyte (or visionbyte).

We should expect the leaders of our country, and that includes the party representatives to some degree, of more than this. They should be focusing on more important things than bumper stickers.

Yonivore and Joe,

I’d be hard press to criticize this bumper sticker, if Yonivore could produce a sourced example of Kerry stating his intention to return the fight against terrorism, ‘over to an international law enforcement mode’, which sounds more like convoluted ‘freeper-speak’, to me. And, when you’re ready to supply such evidence, I have even more proving ‘Bush Lied’.

If you mean, involving Arab countries that this administration has enraged by the Iraq War and Abu Gharib; if you mean, our former European allies that Bush as pissed off, who have a history of credible successes in gaining intelligence in Islamic conflicts; and the long list of such successful engagements under the Albright doctrine, then yes!

All your reckless ‘hunt ‘em down, put a bullet in his forehead’ cowboy President has to show for, is Ahmed Chalabi and ‘Curveball’.

Reality check guys! The American people are slowly coming to the realization that the tax dollars we spent and the soldiers lives we lost, would’ve been better sacrificed in a sole hunt for Bin Laden!

And, no matter how many of these retched, ignorant bumper stickers are printed, few will fall for it.

And, the ‘GOP has no business having anything to do with such a bumper sticker’/’That having been said, the bumper sticker sends a the solid message’ quip, will go down as classic ‘flip-flop’!

Why on earth would Osama bin Laden support a decorated war hero like John Kerry? After all, bin Laden’s most successful attack occurred during Bush’s watch, and recruitment for al Qaeda has gone through the roof in the last three years, thanks to Bush’s half-baked war in Afghanistan and his unjustified war in Iraq. Osama bin Laden would give up a harem full of virgins for another four years of George, Jr.

By the way, didn’t George Bush promise the American people that Osama bin Laden would be caught “dead or alive?” The very fact that these bumper stickers even exist is a testament to George Bush’s failure to keep his promise.

George Bush is Prince Bandar’s man. John Kerry is mine.

I have no opinion on the bumper sticker. It is meaningless.

The last paragraph of your piece, though, caught my attention. You speculate that because of the “anti war propaganda espoused by the Democrats” that Osama is rooting for Kerry.

First of all it should be noted that you offer no proof, at all, to back this assertion up. Being “anti war” is not proof. And indeed, if you were to look at what evidence there is, it would probably point to the very opposite of what you have concluded.

Let’s just briefly run through evidence the again…

Under Bush, the US invades a Muslim country that offered NO threat to the US, and had NO connection with 9/11.

The invasion is so mishandled that they manage to lose much of the moral high ground (the ONLY tenable excuse left for invading) as a result of pictures showing US soldiers torturing Muslim men, and the horribly protracted period of time, in which, it is taking to restore life to normality in Iraq.

Bush has backed Sharon to unilaterly ditch the road map and build a wall all over Palestinian land. The US no longer even pretneds to be an honest broker in the Israeli and Paseltinian dispute.

As a result of these things (to name only a few), anti-US feeling in the Muslim world is at an all-time high. Al Qaeda are able to use Iraq and Palestine to demonstrate the unjust actions of the US, and as a means to drive forward and add credance to their cause, and create division between the Islamic world and the US.

They were not in a position to this in the immediate aftermath of 9/11.

Iraq and Palestine were never mentioned by Osama prior to 9/11, but he now uses them as recruiting sergeants to his cause, and brings him closer to his aim of a clash of civilisations.

I will speculate, just like you Dan, and suggest that Osama is probably quite pleased with the way things have gone. I would guess he doesn’t care about the people of Palestine or Iraq, he’s interested in his aims, and because of US miscalculations, he is able to use the misery and fury of these peoples to achieve his goals.

So I don’t know he would vote for in the coming election, but I’am sure, in hindsight, that he would happpily have voted for Bush in the last.

And then of course there is another way of looking at “Kerry is Osama’s man”. Should which way (you think) Osama votes influence your decision at the ballot box?

Just picture it now, all Osama would have to do prior to the election, is release a video to Al Jazeera endorsing Bush or Kerry, and in so doing give his candidate the kiss of death. He has the power to pick the winnner, and all because of the type of crazy reactionary thinking displayed by that bumper sticker and the above article.

I think you should be basing your election day decision on something a little less emotive and something more substantive.

Your last comment Bob, was very astute. Touche’, Ole’, das Vedanya! Talk about the ultimate in giving aid and comfort to the enemy, how about granting him the power to determine our elections by appealing to our weak minded emotional knee jerk Gotcha mentality so prevalent on both sides of the aisle?

Someone once said in a democracy the people get the government they deserve. Let’s keep dumbing down our schools and elevating knee jerk patriotic responses, and we will indeed get the government we deserve, one hand made by our foes and aimed at our puppet citizenry whose strings stretch all the way to Pakhistan. What a movie that would make. Where are Michael Moore or Tom Clancey when you need them?

which candidate do the evil doers want to win the election?

No need to speculate, Eric. The evil doers have voiced a clear preference for Bush on more than one occasion:

And an al Qaeda spokesman, quoted on the Arabic news Web site www.elaph.com, said the organization hoped George Bush would win re-election, “because he acts with force rather than wisdom or shrewdness, and it is his religious fanaticism that will rouse our (Islamic) nation, as has been shown. Being targeted by an enemy is what will wake us from our slumber.”

The Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades contend it is not possible to find a leader, “more foolish than you (Bush), who deals with matters by force rather than with wisdom. Kerry will kill our nation while it sleeps because he and the Democrats have the cunning to embellish blasphemy and present it to the Arab and Muslim nation as civilization. Because of this we desire you (Bush) to be elected.”

Bert:

You’ll do anything to try to make a point, even when none is there to be made, eh?

And, the ‘GOP has no business having anything to do with such a bumper sticker’/’That having been said, the bumper sticker sends a the solid message’ quip, will go down as classic ‘flip-flop’!
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First of all, I simply love how you have jumped on the “flip-flop” bandwagon. Kerry is accused of flip-flopping, and your instinct is to now claim that everyone ELSE is flip-flopping. What a unique and interesting strategy you employ.

Secondly, it appears you entirely missed my point. Let me restate it so you might grasp it.
Private citizens can create bumper stickers, t-shirts or whatever they want. But our national party leaders should not be stooping to that level. Frankly it should be beneath them. So I can like the bumper sticker itself, but decry the national organization for having had anything to do with it. No “flip-flop” there, though I think perhaps you meant to use the word “nuanced”.

Lastly, its laughable that Democrats are complaining about this kind of thing when they have been in attack mode. They have called the President a liar, tbey have called him treasonous, they have called him every name in the book. Now, I’m NOT saying they dont have the right to speak freely—they do and they have. Both sides play this game—-you attack the other guy and whine when he attacks you.

But for them to now complain when the shoe is on the other foot—-or perhaps I should say now that the flipflop is on the other foot—that’s just venal politics. And Bert, deep down I suspect you just arent willing to admit that. Perhaps you simply can’t admit it. But I know you know it to be true.

I remember O’Reilly saying a couple months back that this election should be a simple choice: Just think about who Osama Bin Laden wants to win, and pick the other guy.

Then Al Qaeda’s website calls a Bush re-election “good for business”. Think O’Reilly is willing to concede that Kerry is the better choice since Al Qaeda wants Bush? I doubt it….

As much as Republicans are trying to paint Bush as a “war president” and someone who will be vigilant against terrorism and Kerry as a weak liberal who will go easy on terrorism, it does not reflect the entire picture of who can achieve more in the fight. While Bush might be more aggressive on a fundamental level, at this point Kerry is the one with the wherewithal to combat terrorism and bring peace to Iraq if only because he is the alternative to the much-despised Bush in the international community.

Say what you will about the international community, their motives, etc. it is very clear that they are generally spiteful towards Bush and unwilling to help him build an international coalition. No matter how firmly he asserts the moral rectitude of his policy, he must shoulder responsibility for his ineffectiveness in the international community. The result of his lack of dipl

With Kerry I believe they will have the incentive to cooperate with the US once again, and it is for this reason that OBL and Al Qaeda would rather keep Bush in power.

which candidate do the evil doers want to win the election?

No need to speculate, Eric. The evil doers have voiced a clear preference for Bush on more than one occasion:

AmericanPundit, I don’t recall weighing in on this yet.

First let me say that I would never put this bumper sticker on my vehicle. It can easily be equated with all of the Bush lied, Impeach bush, death penalty for Bush, Bush war crimes statements, letters, websites, bumberstickers, chants, protest signs… have any of you have actually seen or heard of what is said on signs and in chants at protest marches in San Francisco or Beserkeley? It might give you sense of ‘balance’ on this issue.

The Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades contend it is not possible to find a leader, “more foolish than you (Bush), who deals with matters by force rather than with wisdom. Kerry will kill our nation while it sleeps because he and the Democrats have the cunning to embellish blasphemy and present it to the Arab and Muslim nation as civilization. Because of this we desire you (Bush) to be elected.”

That’s pretty good. But I think it speaks more like a Kerry campaign statement don’t you?

This is the problem with associating yourself with fringe elements.

I agree some of the Dems statements are ludicrous, but so are the Reps.

Somehow, I’d rather be associated with a freedom loving tree hugger than a race baiting jingoist though, wouldn’t you, Eric?

your all whiney bee-aches. Your both as guilty of being complete a-holes as OJ is of murder. Suck it up and get to the issues, who cares about a bumper sticker or an f-bomb. Grow up and deal with it. The Democrat party is filled with a bunch of holligans running around calling bush a liar and a traitor. Hmmm…. I wonder which is worse… a bumber sticker and and f-bomb or calling a sitting president a lair and a traitor with absolutely no evidence. When the Reps when after clinton, heck you know the story, he hung himself they didnt need to make up stuff because it was all true or was it a vast right wing conspiracy?

Well, there IS a difference between
strongly worded attacks on Bush and
this particular fanatic bumpersticker.
Bush actually has been president long
enough to do plenty of things for which
he can be attacked —- if he is accused
of lying or perpetrating war crimes there
is a basis for this. Whereas everybody
knows that the only reason Kerry is drawing fire is because he happens to be the Democratic candidate. He isn’t even really against the war (which is a drag, I wish he were). This
bumpersticker would have appeared no matter who
the Democratic candidate had turned out to be.

And this is why the hardcore Right in this country is coming to be known as the Nutcore, because their attacks on anyone who doesn’t go along with them are instantly personal as soon as
the person has any prominence whatsoever.
And like some others posting here, I hope
they keep this knuckleheaded schtick up.
The more they act this way, the more regular apolitical people will come to see them as
freaks and extremists, and the better off our
country will be.

And I hope “Weeds” gets to write all the
Nutcore press releases. Keep up that defense
of Western civilization, grammar and spelling,
yon conservative heroes!!!

Of course, “Weeds” might be a faked post from
a liberal trying to discredit the movement,
I should consider this possibility…

Eric, Politics is local. San Fran and Berkeley have one particular kind of Liberal, Houston and Austin others entirely. I mean, heck, who else are the swing voters than people far enough from the party base that they can’t be taken for granted in an election?

This is what the right doesn’t understand about the price of being so quick to label people terrorist sympathizers- they may very well lose swing voters to such tactics or energize an otherwise inert reservoir of party support. I know from a friend that the normally anti-political punk community is actually taking sides against Bush, even putting together CDs filled with songs Bashing him. I tell you what, they had nowhere near that much interest in the last election.

I’m not that big a fan of the red-state, blue state philosophy myself. I think it doesn’t take into account the psychological and political effects of party dominance, nor low voter turnout. I think there are always silent majorities waiting around waiting for the right set of circumstances to come about, and that people, given a strong enough political shock might shift to the left or the right 9/11 was one example, I think Iraq may be another.

Certain communities might remain stable in one political corner or another, but others, especially larger ones, might be counted on to shift allegiances as different parts of the population become more or less politically active. I think that forms part of my point about Bush in my post “Hate” Bush could have redefined the political balance in the Republican’s favor, simply by making Democrats comfortable with him being in office. Unfortunately for him, Bush instead decided he had enough support already, and decided to openly alienate a large part of the country.

Maybe you’ve been confused, Eric. Maybe you think I want to take from people the right to say such things. No such intention enters my mind! They should go ahead and continue to alienate voters. That, in the end, benefits my people more than yours.

Where can I get the Bumper Sticker???

Bin Laden already has endorsed Kerry
What—-is the problem?
Other than it is in poor taste in a campaign office.

Hey Bert,

I was just pondering all these love-hate letters about a President that seems to be doing good, not evil in America. I don’t know the man personally. Oh, yeah I voted for him once! Of all the men in America he became the very best of the best. Now I look at Mr. Kerry, and I ponder again. Is he truly the best of the best? I too would like a poll put out to see whom the enemy would vote for. And do you think these cowards out killing innocent children, mom’s, sister’s, brother’s, and dad’s on purpose, would be willing to talk to you or me? One hostage let go, six new people kidnapped to replace him. The bad guys are all over the world. They get a name, ( not even an english word)and we lump them all in the same army. Our country has been divided longer then most would like to admit. Some want to throw the baby out with the bath water, yet don’t know the story about the baby being in the bath water from the get go. Just a few years ago a bath was suspose to be unhealthy. America is like two sides of a coin. I don’t want heads coming up everytime, and I don’t want tails coming up all the time either. You can’t throw out base belief’s with the bath water. And while it seems to me that there’s more T.V. and newspapers banging on Bush(because yeah, they’ve sat down, read the paper with him, talked over some good coffee, maybe even prayed with the guy) everyday, 24/7, isn’t it really weird that this country is split up the middle? Come on, 2/3 of the media bashing and playing favorite’s to a side. Just hang your hat on this one. I would rather have Mr Clinton back in office, than two goofies trying to practice for four years to get it where they think it should be. America wants real values, not campaign values. When I see Mr Kerry sweeping the church out on his day off for at least a month, then I will vote for that party. The carrots are awfully small that has been dangled in front of noses these days. I think Bush would sweep the church out, but you would never know it. Why? It would be a personal thing with him and God. The press wouldn’t print it anyway!

The bumper sticker is available at at iLoveHalliburton.com. Kinda funny…. the site also has all the news links attributed to the bumper sticker.

Hey Ping and Steve, no need for a poll to find out who the terrorists want as president. They’ve already announced their support for Bush.

And an al Qaeda spokesman, quoted on the Arabic news Web site www.elaph.com, said the organization hoped George Bush would win re-election, “because he acts with force rather than wisdom or shrewdness, and it is his religious fanaticism that will rouse our (Islamic) nation, as has been shown. Being targeted by an enemy is what will wake us from our slumber.”

The Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades contend it is not possible to find a leader, “more foolish than you (Bush), who deals with matters by force rather than with wisdom. Kerry will kill our nation while it sleeps because he and the Democrats have the cunning to embellish blasphemy and present it to the Arab and Muslim nation as civilization. Because of this we desire you (Bush) to be elected.”

Joe,

You made me remember part of the true story that was the basis for the movie Mississippi Burning, about the 3 Civil Rights workers murdered in Mississippi, in 1964. Although, the Sheriff knew about and helped organize the plot by the local Klan, he was acquitted because he did not take part in the abduction and murders.

I will stand by my original ‘flip-flop’ comment, now knowing the local Kentucky GOP office not only made and distributed the sticker, it was prominently hung in the office window, with pride! You cannot insist there is no crap on your shoe, after you just stepped in it.

Contrary to your wishful assertion, ‘private citizens’ did not make these stickers. With the truth proving worse than mere collusion, absolution for your party, is out of the question. The party, was the creator and source of this ‘solid message’.

I am not going to get into some argument over verbal semantics, as to whether this sticker is worse than calling Bush a ‘liar’, etc. However, in the light of the comments by Whoopi or leaders of the NAACP, and even worse comments about both Bush and Kerry I’ve seen on the web; and, the controversy over the Nazi ad and MoveOn.org; I have yet to see any scurrilous and hateful incident such as this, officially originate and initially sanctioned by the Kerry campaign or the DNC.

I have it for sale on my website. T-shirts and buttons as well.

http://www.cafeshops.com/bushismine

Thanks Brian. Just ordered a few to piss off the whiny babys around chapel hill, nc.

Get a life people, so what if Kerry gets hammered. I watch all the constant Bush bashing, and some of it makes me chuckle. The losers on the left can be quite creative with their putdowns at times. If your skin is so thin that a few insults send your blood pressure thru the roof, you really don’t need to hang around political sites. I’ve shed blood for this country over the past twenty years, and I will support anyone’s right to believe and say what he/she wants. By that same token, I reserve the right to tell them they’re a damn fool if I so choose.
Maybe if some of y’all spent a few years fighting for the rights you all bleat about, you’d realize what a gift it is. Don’t matter which side of the fence you’re on, if you try to shout me down cuz you don’t like what I’m saying, you’re no better than the mullah putting a fatwa on somebody cuz of their beliefs.
Learn it, love it and live it.

So what if Kerry gets hammered? All the Democrats are saying is that it’s slanderous and cheap. I don’t think the liberals posters here are arguing for arson or anything like that. The GOP has the right to speak its mind. It also has the right to act unsurprised when people complain about it.

No one has done more for the Bushies than the binLaden Family and no one has done more for Osama than #43. Killing the true believer before November 2nd might help Shrub, but it won’t prevent US hatred and organized attacks from growing. While Ridge declares the latest colors and tries to defend against the next hi-jacking, al-Queda has moved on. Bush is the best thing that ever happened to their cause.

Yes thats all your good at talk is cheap.Hell bush cant even do that right he is a blithering idiot.He is nothing more than a warmonger at least kerry was in nam,chickenhawk george got lost for a year.

Wasn’t Bush supposed to have captured Bin Laden by now? This wouldn’t be an issue if he had.