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After months of pleading from Americans across the country, an independent counsel will finally investigate the extent to which Russia interfered with the 2016 Election. The man bequeathed with this responsibility is Robert Mueller, James Comey’s predecessor at the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Mueller was originally appointed to that job by George Bush. Famously, Mueller joined Comey at John Ashcroft's hospital bed to plead against the authorization of STELLAR WIND. This was the Bush Administration's program to mine metadata of domestic American communication, which erupted into controversy when its existence was leaked to the New York Times in 2006. Many Americans believed that the collection of these data violates the fourth amendment to the US Constitution and its protection from searches & seizures. In this episode, Comey & Mueller likewise prioritized protecting American Constitutional rights over political expediency. It was a tough decision to make, no one likes to diminish America's ability to prevent terrorism, but there are some priorities that must take higher precedence.

Most fundamentally, this episode encapsulates Mueller's loyalty to the Republic, its institutions and. most importantly, the rule of law, rather than the people who happen to be running it. Such independence is vital to the ongoing investigation into Russia's influence in last year's election. Particularly when anonymous allegations of White House interference into the original investigation under James Comey populate America's newspapers.

Most startling was yesterday's revelation. Anonymous sources alerted The New York Times to the contents of a memo written by Comey earlier this year. Allegedly, the memo directly states that President Donald Trump told Comey to drop his investigation of Michael Flynn. This already comes after last week's bombshell news regarding Trump's firing of Comey and Trump's subsequent admission that the decision to dismiss Comey was made without regard to the recommendation provided by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and that Trump's beliefs regarding the FBI investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election played a primary role persuading President Trump.

Needless to say, these aforementioned reports have become cataclysmic earthquakes for many on Capitol Hill. Whispers abound whether or not this constitutes obstruction of justice. Whether or not Comey's firing ultimately broke the law, it is recognized by all that it is mightily difficult for the FBI to act as an independent investigator if its most senior official fears he might be fired if he follows the evidence where it leads him. The FBI's agents need the confidence that they will be supported by impartial leadership and that nobody will cut their legs out from underneath them simply for doing their jobs.

The decision to appoint Mueller was made by Rod Rosenstein, Deputy Attorney General:

"In my capacity as acting Attorney General, I determined that it is in the public interest for me to exercise my authority and appoint a Special Counsel to assume responsibility for this matter. My decision is not a finding that crimes have been committed or that any prosecution is warranted. I have made no such determination. What I have determined is that based upon the unique circumstances, the public interest requires me to place this investigation under the authority of a person who exercises a degree of independence from the normal chain of command.

Each year, the career professionals of the U.S. Department of Justice conduct tens of thousands of criminal investigations and handle countless other matters without regard to partisan political considerations. I have great confidence in the independence and integrity of our people and our processes. Considering the unique circumstances of this matter, however, I determined that a Special Counsel is necessary in order for the American people to have full confidence in the outcome. Our nation is grounded on the rule of law, and the public must be assured that government officials administer the law fairly. Special Counsel Mueller will have all appropriate resources to conduct a thorough and complete investigation, and I am confident that he will follow the facts, apply the law and reach a just result."

This is a big win for the US Constitution, American institutions and most fundamentally America itself. As Rosenstein has stated, the appointment of Mueller is not an indication that there is any evidence that crimes have been committed or that prosecution is warranted. However, it is an indication that the rule of law matters in this country and that not even the President and his closest aides are immune from bearing consequences for his actions.

I promise to patiently wait until Mueller has finished his investigation before reaching any conclusions. I also promise to accept Mueller's results regardless of their political impact, even if they harm the political interests that I favor. I trust Mueller to conduct a thorough investigation that can restore confidence in the American electoral system before next year's midterm election. Likewise, I hope that this investigation can finally exonerate anyone who may have been erroneously accused of collusion with Russian agents and restore their reputations. Most importantly, I wish that this investigation can finally uncover the truth of what happened or didn't happen over the past 2 years.

If we take Trump's claim of innocence on its face, today's appointment of independent counsel is a big win for President Trump and his administration. Soon, he will have another opportunity to find further success when he appoints Comey's successor at the FBI. Americans want an independent mind, just like recent directors Mueller & Comey have been. I pray that Trump has the same concerns in mind.

Posted by Warren Porter at May 17, 2017 6:19 PM
Comments
Comment #416400

We certainly agree Warren, in our desire for the rule of law and equal justice to prevail everywhere in America, and most certainly, in our political leaders.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 17, 2017 7:21 PM
Comment #416403

Boom.

From WaPo:

“A month before Donald Trump clinched the Republican nomination, one of his closest allies in Congress—House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy—made a politically explosive assertion in a private conversation on Capitol Hill with his fellow GOP leaders: that Trump could be the beneficiary of payments from Russian President Vladimir Putin.
“There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” McCarthy (R-Calif.) said, according to a recording of the June 15, 2016 exchange, which was listened to and verified by The Washington Post. […]

House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) immediately interjected, stopping the conversation from further exploring McCarthy’s assertion, and swore the Republicans present to secrecy.

Before the conversation, McCarthy and Ryan had emerged from separate talks at the U.S. Capitol with Ukrainian Prime Minister Volodymyr Groysman, who had described a Kremlin tactic of financing populist politicians to undercut Eastern European democratic institutions. [emphasis added]

This is also the day after the news of the Russian hack into the DNC broke. McCarthy told his (probably nervously) laughing colleagues, “Swear to God,” according to the Post, and Ryan interjected “No leaks…This is how we know we’re a real family here.”

Posted by: phx8 at May 17, 2017 7:42 PM
Comment #416405

Phx8,

I read the same report. This isn’t the rambling of a dubious anonymous source, The Washington Post has a recording (not released yet) and transcript.

It is very depressing for this hypocrisy to be come to light. If Congressional Republican leadership suspected that Trump was on the take they had no business supporting his campaign for President. As Americans, they had every moral obligation to oppose Donald Trump’s nomination at the Republican National Convention and to campaign on behalf of one of his opponents in the general election. Sad indeed.

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 17, 2017 7:48 PM
Comment #416412

Or, he was just running off at the mouth. Where’s the proof? A recording of someone speculating? You should run that recording straight to Mueller’s desk, asap!

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 17, 2017 11:51 PM
Comment #416415

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2017/05/17/kevin-mccarthy-media-hysteria-washington-post-treats-joke-proof-trump-russia-link/

I thought so.

Democratics don’t have a sense of humor.

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 18, 2017 12:10 AM
Comment #416417

The ‘joke’ defense again?

Trump was joking when he asked for a foreign adversary to launch a cyber attack against his opponent. “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.” Sadly, no one in the room laughed. Not the first time he said it. Not the second time, either.

And Trump was just joking again with Comey when he asked Sessions and Pence to leave the room, and then asked Comey to let Flynn go. Oh Trump! You kidder, you! What a card!

Putin has a sense of humor too. He publicly offered to provide Trump with transcripts of the meeting in the Oval office between Trump and the Russian Ambassador & Foreign Minister. Actually, that was a pretty funny piece of trolling by Vladimir.

The Ryan quote will become significant if Trump is impeached and Pence forced to resign. It means Ryan may be compromised too. President Orrin Hatch, anybody?

Posted by: phx8 at May 18, 2017 12:56 AM
Comment #416418

I’m wondering how long you guys can keep up with the fantasy. You’re really hitting the bottom of the barrel with this one.

Let’s see what’s up next!

Mueller investigates for a while. Then he’ll go off on a tangent, say, someone lied. Then there will be a month’s worth of daily coverage of the perjury trial of some poor fool. After that, the long awaited ‘scape goat will be paraded through the press followed by crowing, self-righteous Democratics strutting around with an I told you so attitude for a couple more weeks. Right?

Once that’s done you’ll think up some other tragedy or manufacture another injustice and it will start all over again.

You guys finally fulfilled your promise to be transparent. We can see right through you now.


Posted by: Weary Willie at May 18, 2017 1:26 AM
Comment #416422

It means that the manage of law matter in this state and that not even the leader and his adjacent connections are untouchable from bearing.

Posted by: Masterpaperwriters.com at May 18, 2017 3:11 AM
Comment #416441

Weary,

Fantasy? Bottom of barrel?
The only reasoning and goal behind all of this is to pick up seats and win back the presidency. Right off the bat, even without any facts, an independent investigation automatically gives the perception of some kind of guilt.

Getting an independent investigation based on pretty much nothing but innuendo is a huge win.

Posted by: kctim at May 18, 2017 9:04 AM
Comment #416443

Boy, is this funny! Conservatives have lost their minds over the appointment of a Special Counsel, and they are retreating into fantasies about prosecuting Hillary Clinton and Obama. Hilarious! The Denial is strong in them!

There are many lessons here. For one, never fire an FBI Director. Two, if one must, then don’t do it in the rudest way possible, having a thug deliver a letter to his office while he is out of town, and then letting the Director find out through the media. Three, don’t follow up the firing with a tweet threatening the Director with tapes if he leaks. Four, if the Director is well known for documenting everything with copious notes, give it a loooong hard think about what has been said before firing.

More news. 18 additional contacts occurred between the Trump campaign and the Russians, including 6 by Flynn.

Posted by: phx8 at May 18, 2017 10:30 AM
Comment #416444

Not this conservative phx8, In fact I think it’s the best thing that could happen to shut you liberals up.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 18, 2017 10:37 AM
Comment #416447

The Special Counsel process will be a long, slow one. It will also slow down the House & Senate Committees.

However, the Obstruction of Justice situation with Trump and Comey could move much more quickly. The Republican House & Senate will have to ask themselves which is worse: sticking with Trump, or ditching him and abandoning Trump’s supporters. The Trump supporters are lost in fantasies about Hillary & Obama. They will not take this well.

More coming out about Flynn, Turkey, ISIS, and the Kurds, and it is damning; not only that, it is really bad for Pence, who was head of the Trump transition team.

Might be a good idea for Trump, Pence, and Sessions to bone up on the procedures for pardons. Might want to include Ryan in that conversation.

Posted by: phx8 at May 18, 2017 11:29 AM
Comment #416451

kctim-
I think it’s time that people like you realize that firing Comey was one of a number of unforced errors that have added up to make Mueller’s appointment inevitable. Remember, this isn’t the Democrats making this happen, this is a Trump appointee who concluded that the DOJ has lost so much trust as a result of the Comey firing and the revelation of Trump’s request of Comey that this had to happen.

One big element of how Trump and the GOP got into this mess is that they don’t seem to have much respect for the rule of law, for laws and institutions that tell them no, that don’t center their power on party loyalty.

Weary Willie-
I would not be so quick to celebrate. In fact, I’d be throwing the party favors in the trash. Even if the joke was a joke, it indicates quite a bit of two-facedness about the whole Russia connection.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at May 18, 2017 12:47 PM
Comment #416453

My Pals on the Left never disappoint me in their rush to judgement. I recall the premature crowing before the last election. Hillary’s “blue line” and “we will take back congress”.

Now, they already have the impeachment process begun and ended; and their woozy brains have even imagined Pence and Ryan being ousted.

There is not a single factual charge against the President. There are many “serious charges” by many “serious politicians”.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 18, 2017 2:10 PM
Comment #416454

Stephen, every time Trump farts it’s some kind of “unforced error” to you guys. Then right before the end of business on Friday, we hear from someone who knows someone that was in the room and they said it was loud. Come Saturday we hear from someone who knows someone who said that it smelled like a vodka fart. By Sunday, we are hearing how the Russians are sending Trump free vodka and is now compromised.

Look, anybody who has been paying attention knows how ridiculously childish you guys have been acting since the election. If you wish to blame Trump for that, go ahead.
To be honest, I could care less IF you guys finally find something real in your fishing expedition and are able to get rid of Trump. I think Pence would be a better President.

It’s time that people like you realize that all people like me are asking for is factual proof to back up your claims. Until you can do that, we are going to continue questioning your rhetoric and mocking your hypocrisy.

Posted by: kctim at May 18, 2017 2:12 PM
Comment #416456

President Trump was elected for the popularity of his plans for America. He made a convincing argument that our nations capital was filled with politicians who cared little for the people. He announced in his inauguration speech that he would work hard to return power to the people.

No matter how many accusations are made against the President, the American people have not changed their mind about the swamp that is Washington DC. The people want power returned to them. The people want the political class deprived of their privileged elite status.

Do my Pals on the Left actually believe any investigation will change voters minds on how disgustingly Washington operates?

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 18, 2017 2:41 PM
Comment #416458
President Trump was elected for the popularity of his plans for America Russia.

I fixed your typo, Royal Flush. You might want to brush up on the latest investigative reporting.

Do my Pals on the Left actually believe any investigation will change voters minds on how disgustingly Washington operates?
You mean the voters who gave Obama a 60% job approval in his final days in office? No, I don’t think their opinions have changed at all. They remain eager for more liberal legislation to come out of Washington DC. Posted by: Warren Porter at May 18, 2017 3:08 PM
Comment #416459

From Warren’s link to the “Time’s” article; “Whether and how much they (Russians) have actually been able to change Americans’ behavior is hard to say.”

Despite the credentials of those quoted in the article, our Pal on the Left apparently has greater insight and knowledge. He overrules what was actually written and declares; voters preferred Trump for his Russian plans (whatever they might be in Warren’s demented mind).

Warren ignores that the article lists many Amerian politicians and political groups who have used the same techniques as the Russians supposedly did; and have had no results.

So, Warren would have us believe that the Russians are so much better at perverting voter views than our own politicians. I doubt that. But then, the Left has a tradition of bowing to the superior Russians.

Finally, my mentally challenged little Buddy is convinced that Trump and the Russians support each other. The Russians are so powerful in influencing what Americans think that they swayed an election. Why would my Buddy not recognize that such power, held by the Russians, can easily sway Americans to despise the Democrats who are picking on the president the Russians elected?

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 18, 2017 3:32 PM
Comment #416460
demented mind
mentally challenged

A telltale sign Royal Flush has lost an argument is when he resorts to tossing insults at the messenger instead of responding to the message at hand.

If you think that my previous comment was intellectually bankrupt, take a look in the mirror. Neither of us is clairvoyant. Spare us your patronizing assumptions regarding American voters and perhaps a more intellectually rigorous discussion can be had. And perhaps with patience, we can wait for Mueller, Congress and the FBI to finish their investigation before drawing any conclusions.

Warren ignores that the article lists many Amerian politicians and political groups who have used the same techniques as the Russians supposedly did; and have had no results.

So, Warren would have us believe that the Russians are so much better at perverting voter views than our own politicians. I doubt that. But then, the Left has a tradition of bowing to the superior Russians.

Here, Royal Flush demonstrates the limits of his thinking. He assumes that either Russians are wholly responsible for perverting the election or that there was no Russian involvement. The chance that the world isn’t black or white, but perhaps a shade of grey doesn’t seem to cross Royal Flush’s mind. Likewise, he completely disregards the possibility that American politicians and Russian intelligence officials colluded and conspired together. If so, it is of little surprise that the two combined forces may achieve better results than either one by itself.

And before the knee-jerk response: No, I am not saying that such collusion or conspiracy is an established fact. I am just saying it is a possible explanation for what happened. I reiterate my patience as I wait for authorities to investigate the allegations thoroughly.

can easily sway Americans to despise the Democrats who are picking on the president the Russians elected?
Excellent point. I definitely do not expect Putin to permit America to win unopposed. There will undoubtedly be leaks and further disinformation campaigns in the upcoming months. Patriotic Americans are best served if they can inoculate themselves from further Russian propaganda. Critical thinking skills and increasing trust in America’s respected mainstream media will be important in this regard. Posted by: Warren Porter at May 18, 2017 4:22 PM
Comment #416465

Demented (unable to think clearly)

Mentally challenged (not able to respond accurately)

I do not believe in clairvoyance Warren which is why I fault your thinking. You make conclusions not warranted from the information contained in the link you provided. Your “trained” scientific mind is following non-scientific techniques in favor of personal preference. And yes, you should be embarrassed considering you have admitted to being educated.

Warren insists on superior Russian ability using techniques abandoned by others as ineffectual. Tell us Mr. Clairvoyance, how much influence the Russians actually had in the election. You can’t and neither can anyone else on the planet.

Warren asks us to believe his constraint by writing; “I reiterate my patience as I wait for authorities to investigate the allegations thoroughly.” Yet, the first sentence in his post reads; “President Trump was elected for the popularity of his plans for Russia.”

We know for certain that Warren is mentally demented and challenged as he openly admits his reliance on MSM despite many of their articles being proven false. He is unable to discern truth from falsehood. Such is the plight of mere “book-learning” versus common sense and applied logic.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 18, 2017 4:55 PM
Comment #416467
Yet, the first sentence in his post reads; “President Trump was elected for the popularity of his plans for Russia.”

Yes, it was a sarcastic mockery of the false certainty that you portray.

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 18, 2017 5:08 PM
Comment #416470

Trump repeated his claim that he is the victim of a “witch hunt.”

It is important to remember, all this is self-inflicted.

If Trump dresses up in a black cap and pointy black cap, gets a big black bubbling cauldron, and throws in eye of newt, bat wings, and a dash of Comey, he can hardly be surprised at what happens. Hansel the witch hunter from “Hansel and Gretel” shows up with a crossbow. Trump isn’t helping by pinning a bulls-eye on his chest.

The GOP controls the House & Senate & White House. Today, the RCP average approval rating for Trump is down to 39%.

Posted by: phx8 at May 18, 2017 5:11 PM
Comment #416471

phx8,

Please don’t interrupt Royal Flush’s soothsaying with facts and cogent conclusions. It is way too much for his mind to handle. Let him stay perched on his pity potty and complain away.

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 18, 2017 5:19 PM
Comment #416472

This could be eye-opening for my friends.

“Former congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) appeared with Sean Hannity to discuss the attacks on the President.

Kucinich claims that the “deep state” – the permanent bureaucrats who comprise the military and spy community – is trying to “destroy Donald Trump’s presidency.”

He warned Americans that “Our country itself is under attack from within,” and defined the leaks against President Trump as a “clear and present danger.”

Read more: http://thepoliticalinsider.com/democrat-breaks-rank-deep-state-trump/#ixzz4hT3GUHdK

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 18, 2017 5:24 PM
Comment #416475

Sorry RF, I’m not interested in exploring the depths of you cognitive dissonance tonight. I have much better things to do than rehash a story which Stephen debunked in the other column yesterday. See you tomorrow.

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 18, 2017 5:45 PM
Comment #416476

Try not to get arrested Warren.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 18, 2017 5:46 PM
Comment #416477

It is not the “deep state” that is at war with Trump. Many of the leaks are coming from the White House, which consists of people hired by the Trump administration. Other leaks are coming from the GOP Congressmen and their staff.

The only portion of the “deep state”- the career people in government we depend upon to keep it coherent and functioning as administrations change- the only portion at war with Trump is a part of the Intelligence Community.

Trump consistently pretends we do not know who attacked us in the 2016 campaign with hacks, leaks, and propaganda spread through social media. We know it was the Russians. This and more- much more- convinces the IC that Trump is colluding with the Russians because he has been compromised.

It is that portion of the IC, combined with the reporting of the MSM media, that Trump wars against. He repeatedly declares the media “the enemy of the American people.”

Barely noticed the other day- when Trump told Sessions and Pence to leave the room, and talked with Comey, he asked for Comey to go easy on Flynn. Trump also asked Comey about prosecuting reporters.

The MSM media and a portion of the IC are the only opponents of Trump strong enough to take him on. The judiciary might oppose, but they can only react. Democratic legislators have limited power because they are in the minority. Only the MSM and the IC can really fight against the assaults on our institutions, and they have just one weapon: information.

Fortunately, that is a very good weapon.

Posted by: phx8 at May 18, 2017 6:46 PM
Comment #416478

phx8 applies such “Pollyanna-like” motives to Trump’s adversaries. Cut through the nearly meaningless chatter and find the real reason.

Power; and the desire to keep it and gain more.

The Left can not survive without the continuous flow of “Mother’s milk” which comes from a multitudinous number of government teats. It is the borrowed billions that keep the wheels of their political apparatus greased and functioning.

What would the Obama administration have accomplished for their supporters and followers if they had not been able to borrow $10 Trillion? Can phx8 tell us that it would have made no difference?

It is not about the Russians, it is about the Power that taxpayer and borrowed money can purchase.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 18, 2017 7:08 PM
Comment #416479

Economic policy is worthy of debate, but this is about the Russians.

And don’t imagine they just clapped the chalk dust off their hands and walked away after the 2016 campaign. Their attack worked, and they will certainly be back again.

They openly supported the white nationalists in France, and were most likely behind the leaked e-mails right before the voting.

The Russians want the Obama sanctions stopped. The sanctions have kept them in recession for years. They want to re-establish their empire. And to do this, they need to undermine the western democracies and their economic and military alliances.

Hence Trump.

Posted by: phx8 at May 18, 2017 8:00 PM
Comment #416480
Trump consistently pretends we do not know who attacked us in the 2016 campaign with hacks, leaks, and propaganda spread through social media. We know it was the Russians.

This comment demonstrates how far the liberal mantra has morphed.

This all started after Hillbilly lost the election. Democratics said it was the Russian who hacked Podesta’s email account and embarrassed the DNC. Then it progressed toward leaks, mostly done by the established hierarchy against a sitting president. Now it’s progressed to propaganda in social media! Aww, poor snowflakes. It reminds me of the little kid who continues to make excuses to not go to bed.

If it’s the Russians, then prove it. Saying you know is the same as saying you think.

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 18, 2017 8:43 PM
Comment #416481
The sanctions have kept them in recession for years.

Kept who in recession? The 7 people he put sanctions on?

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 18, 2017 8:46 PM
Comment #416482

The Russian recession kicked in 2014. Part of its cause is also the dramatic fall in oil prices. Commodities make up 35% of the economy. (The low oil prices are a big problem for Venezuela too).

“This all started after Hillbilly lost the election.”

No. It started long before the election.

“Democratics said it was the Russian who hacked Podesta’s email account and embarrassed the DNC.”

So did the Intelligence Community. They released their unclassified findings in October.

Posted by: phx8 at May 18, 2017 9:03 PM
Comment #416492

Royal Flush-
You should realize you’re transparently falling into politician-speak, the kind of inappropriately categorical squawking that the politicians themselves go into so they don’t get caught up in debates they can’t win.

As for the value of the investigation?

You only think of yourselves, what you think, what you believe. It never occurs to you that more than half the voters in the last election decided Hillary was the better candidate. By this point, I’m betting a significant percentage of Trump’s voters are thinking the same thing. Perhaps they just didn’t know who they were getting the services of. Doesn’t matter. Now they know a lot that has them deeply, deeply worried about this system’s ability to correct itself.

The special counsel is a step in the right direction. It shows some concern for working past the conflicts of interests that many Trump officials have for getting to the bottom of the whole Russian interference thing.

You think it’s all unnecessary, but do you think that because of what you know, or because of what you want to believe? Like Trump, you seem to think that the ideal way to end this is just cut it short, but that’s not fair to all the people who, confronted with a significant violation of our national sovereignty, want answers, want to know what will be done to prevent a repeat, keep the integrity of America’s elections.

It’s always the pattern of those in power to want to keep hold of it. It frightens people to let go of it. I can understand you’re afraid. You’re always afraid, of Muslims of Gays, of whoever. You see a world where you’re losing control of all these menaces. Trick is, with all those fears, you’re quite willing to turn a blind eye to an intervention from elsewhere that has had results you like. Well, you should keep in mind the bait for the hook is always tasty or tasty looking.

But a hook it is. Look at what happened with Flynn, Turkey, and ISIS. A major offensive was delayed, as Flynn served his paid interests ahead of our nation’s, and worse, served the interests of another nation. Tell me what faith I should have, given Flynn’s contacts with the Russians, that he doesn’t return the favor on what Russia did for him and Trump.

Now, while that logic might track, I’m interested in the facts. I’m interested in whether there’s good evidence, real evidence that Flynn did what he’s accused of doing: working with the Russians.

I would stipulate here that it is entirely possible that Trump is merely Putin’s useful idiot, promoted and aided by Russian Intelligence for the sake of his disruptive effect on our political system. Even that, though, needs to be investigated so we know how to get in the way of that, how to coordinate responses in return to diminish Putin’s capacity to intervene.

I don’t really care whether he actually gave Trump the election! If his actions did indeed help that happen in any material way, I’d certainly want to know, but for the purposes of the shape of my objections, I don’t want Putin having much of any capacity to covertly interfere. I want to slam the door in his face, even if it means he leaves a few fingers by the door. If his plan the next time is to support the Democrat, I still want it stopped, because I want our own people’s prerogatives, their natural inclinations to rule the day. I don’t want us to be the puppets of a foreign power, manipulated into serving Putin’s interest rather than our own.

I would hope you would want the same, but it seems you’re too concerned about your domestic rivals, and winning at any costs to open your eyes and see the mutual threat. I never thought I’d see the day when the Republicans would be acting the part of the subversives, blocking investigation into a national security breach of epic proportions.

As for the borrowing of $10 Trillion, can I ask a pointed question: Would Republicans have been able to avoid borrowing that without trying some dumbass thing as halting the debt ceiling? My instinct, giving what they’re doing right now, with their massive tax cuts and increases in defense spending, is no. The Republicans have demonstrated time and again that they are as consistent in their fiscal discipline as they are in their family values. Which is to say, not at all. At the very least, Obama reduced the deficits, reduced the growth of our debt below what it would have been if we continued Bush’s fiscal policies.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at May 19, 2017 10:45 AM
Comment #416500

And to do this, they need to undermine the western democracies and their economic and military alliances.

Hence Trump.
Posted by: phx8 at May 18, 2017 8:00 PM

If the Russians are indeed so successful in manipulating elections, news, and more; all over the planet phx8, it should be child’s play for them to begin a campaign to discredit those supposedly harming their man Trump.

“At the very least, Obama reduced the deficits, reduced the growth of our debt below what it would have been if we continued Bush’s fiscal policies.”

Really Stephen. You call borrowing and spending $10 Trillion in eight years fiscal restraint?

Since Stephen, from his comments directly above, apparently can read my mind, I will look forward to what my answer is to my question.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 19, 2017 2:58 PM
Comment #416502

This is interesting.

“Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein said he thought President Donald Trump’s decision to fire FBI Director James Comey was the right call, providing his first public account of his role in the controversial dismissal.

“Notwithstanding my personal affection for Director Comey, I thought it was appropriate to seek a new leader,” Rosenstein said in prepared remarks for appearances before House and Senate lawmakers that were released Friday by the Justice Department. He even said he had discussed the need for a change with then-Senator Jeff Sessions last winter. Sessions is now Rosenstein’s boss as attorney general.”

http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/rosenstein-speaks-house-memo/2017/05/19/id/791166/?ns_mail_uid=5919126&ns_mail_job=1731957_05192017&s=al&dkt_nbr=1hhhqmxl

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 19, 2017 3:26 PM
Comment #416504

Could the WH leaker be Dina Powell—mmmm

McMaster just talks too much

Posted by: tom humes at May 19, 2017 3:39 PM
Comment #416505

Wow…I can’t wait to watch and hear Toby Keith performing in the Saudi capital, Riyadh. As most of you know, Keith performed for President Trump at his inauguration.

I love his lyrics about loving America and Freedom.

http://thepoliticalinsider.com/toby-keith-trump-travel-trip-saudi-arabia/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=TPI-Newsletter-05-19-17-Afternoon&utm_campaign=TPI_051917_Newsletter&source=CI

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 19, 2017 3:47 PM
Comment #416508

Conservative claims of media bias proven true by Harvard. It seems that Fox is the most “fair and balanced”.

“A major new study out of Harvard University has revealed the true extent of the mainstream media’s bias against Donald Trump.”

https://heatst.com/culture-wars/harvard-study-reveals-huge-extent-of-anti-trump-media-bias/

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 19, 2017 4:40 PM
Comment #416513
Do my Pals on the Left actually believe any investigation will change voters minds on how disgustingly Washington operates?

Royal I for one do not think anything will change the voters mind on how DC operates. Hopefully these voters will realize it is both parties and the moneymen behind the parties that cause DC to operate in such a disgustingly poor manner. Look at how the repub leaders, when Obama was in office, prostituted their integrity to deny the SCOTUS seat to Garland. Remember the idiot tea bagger from SC that called Obama a lair at the SOTU address? And lets not even get started on what they did during the Clinton administration, with the ongoing witch hunt by the special prosecutor.

Seems to me Trump should have known that even with a repub Congress he was going to need to bring his A game to the job. Instead he chose to do the bidding of his cronies right out in the open. I am disheartened to think that he would lose his job, because I do believe he was the best of the bunch and I don’t see Pence or Ryan or Hatch as being any better at doing the job.Certainly they are DC insiders who are in part responsible for the fiasco Trump is in.

Seems to me the American people should demand a do over at this point in time should Trump crash and burn so early into his administration. I would like to see another election, and the removal of Gorsuch as he will be tainted by the Garland fraud perpetrated by the repubs and the Trump stain on our country. I know that isn’t what is called in the Constitution, but these are trying times and with all those previously mentioned being DC insiders who would get a free ride to the presidency perhaps extraordinary measures are needed.

I would think those Trump voters who actually believed his campaign rhetoric should be demanding another election. Anything short of that would be an admitting that Trump was a pretender and both parties were right to oust him before he could do more damage, IMHO.

Posted by: j2t2 at May 19, 2017 9:26 PM
Comment #416517

j2t2,
There is a tendency to wish Trump would act like an outsider. There was an opportunity. Such a president could have played both sides against the middle and accomplished enough.

The problem is that too many people expected Trump to be something that he was not. Too many waited for him to change. Once he won the nomination, they said, he would change. He did not. Once he won the White House, he would rise to the office, and change. He did not.

The truth is, he was not an outsider in that sense. He came from the far right fringe. His knowledge of issues was minimal, and as often as not, the product of conspiracy theories. If he has any political acumen, no one has seen it yet. His ability to run a real estate business did not translate into anything useful; it did not prepare him to run the White House or much of anything else. Too many people thought his inexperience would be a benefit. That is inexplicable, because his inexperience has been a woeful drawback. Obama had experience as a state senator, a US senator, and a lecturer on constitutional law.

He has turned out to be exactly what he always was- a carnival barker… except that a barker understands what he is pushing; Trump is a salesman who did not even know the first thing about his own product.

Well, he seems hell-bent on getting impeached. Dude keeps pounding nails into his own coffin. His comments to the Russian Ambassador & Foreign Minister in the Oval Office about how firing Comey relieved the pressure from the investigation… There are so many things wrong with that sentence, it is hard to know where to start.

Jared Kushner is now a person of interest in the criminal investigation, along with Flynn & Manafort. Flynn is being prosecuted by a very experienced guy who specializes in counter-espionage cases. That’s not good for Flynn. Manafort is being pursued for money laundering.

Posted by: phx8 at May 19, 2017 11:35 PM
Comment #416521

From the Harvard study, unfiltered. Given that tendency, the fact that Trump has received more negative coverage than his predecessor is hardly surprising. The early days of his presidency have been marked by far more missteps and miss-hits, often self-inflicted, than any presidency in memory, perhaps ever.

Posted by: Cubed at May 20, 2017 2:05 AM
Comment #416533

Cube makes an interesting observation. Don’t believe the actual facts in the reporting, dwell on what can be found to justify ones interpretation of the facts.

j2t2 and phx8 pound the impeachment drum and blare the incompetence horn…and nothing is found to warrant it. They are horrible chess players since they play pieces not even on the board.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 20, 2017 2:50 PM
Comment #416547

Let’s review the past week:

Despite being expressly forbidden by an ally from sharing it, Trump gave classified information to the Russians

In the Oval Office

In a meeting requested by Putin

The day after firing the FBI Director who was investigating collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russians

It came out Trump asked Pence & Sessions to leave a room, and then asked that FBI Director to stop investigating Flynn.

The VP was told about Flynn twice: in November and January. He lied and denied knowing it.

Obstruction of justice is an impeachable offence, and Trump wandered into that territory through his own doing. No one made him. He is responsible for his bad decisions. It is not other people’s fault if they notice, report, or leak it.

In a recent poll, when people were asked what word came to mind when describing Trump, here were the top responses:

Idiot
Incompetent
Liar

Posted by: phx8 at May 21, 2017 11:03 AM
Comment #416566

phx8, I found a poll that reported the same words when describing today’s Liberals.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 21, 2017 5:11 PM
Comment #416568

Sorry if your fee fees are hurt. Jeb Bush just said ‘I told you so.’

“When I ran for office, I said he is a chaos candidate and would be a chaos president. Unfortunately, so far chaos organizes the presidency right now.”

GOP Senator Marco Rubio said today on “Face the Nation”:

“I don’t understand why people are that shocked… that’s what the American people voted for.”

Shambolic. It is absolutely shambolic.

Trump supporters stand by him despite an absolutely abysmal performance, and make no mistake about it, the horrible performance is a result of self-inflicted wounds. The Deputy AG announced there would be no Special Counsel. Within two weeks, Trump was so idiotically incompetent, the Depute AG announced a Special Counsel, and let legislators know this had become a criminal investigation.

Look at yourself, RF. This week, the Saudis gave $100 million to a charity run by Ivanka, and her husband negotiated a $110 million arms deal with them. All you can do in the middle column is quibble about the name of the charity. How long do you want to do this?

In that same column, there is an article promoting a conspiracy theory about the murder of a guy and Wikileaks. Today, Newt Gingrich pushed it, and the Daily Caller called him out.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/21/newt-gingrich-spreads-debunked-story-about-murdered-dnc-staffer/

The problem here is NOT liberals.


Posted by: phx8 at May 21, 2017 5:55 PM
Comment #416569

LOL…phx8 writes that I “quibble about the name of the charity”.

Let’s see…World Bank versus Ivanka Fund. One is true, guess which.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 21, 2017 6:09 PM
Comment #416570

Honestly, I can sympathize with my Liberal/Socialist Pals on WB. There is not a single item in all the news I read last week that reports on a positive thing said or done by the Left. As a party, they hardly exist any more. They have forgotten most of their traditional base supporters and now can’t win elections at any level of government.

The Democrat Party is hardly relevant today. No one even talks about the Party.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 21, 2017 6:14 PM
Comment #416571

Lol. The Democrats picked up seats in the House in 2016 and won the popular vote for president. Since 1992, they have won the popular vote for president in every election save one. In 2016, only 42% of Americans even voted for Republican Senators.

Conservatives are depending on gerrymandering, the electoral college, and vote suppression to hold onto power. It is not working well. We now see what it looks like when a minority party receiving a minority vote attempts to impose its agenda on the majority.

That is part of the reason we now have a president averaging a 39% approval rating. Thank goodness he is out of the country reading speeches. But the poor guy can’t bring himself to say the words “radical Islamic extremists” in Saudi Arabia, the country of origin for 18/19 of the 9/11 attackers. Can’t do it.

There is a special election in Georgia 6/20. Normally, that seat is dead red. Right now there is a race there to replace the seat held by Newt Gingrich and then HHS Secretary Price (of insider trading fame), and the race is extremely close in the polls. An unknown 30 year old newcomer might actually win.

Posted by: phx8 at May 21, 2017 6:52 PM
Comment #416585

Royal Flush-
Every Republican President for the last forty years has increased deficit spending, and the two major tax cuts of my lifetime have been followed by said increases.

So, why should I believe, when both Democratic Presidents of my lifetime have shrunk their deficits from when they got in, that Republicans are better at this?

Republicans WANT to be the best at fiscal matters. They just don’t know how to do it, these days. So don’t act all superior with me.

As for the Harvard study? I would not dispute that the coverage on Trump is negative. Trick is, you claim that’s all bias. I don’t think so. Trump has maintained a hostile attitude towards the press, towards accountability, towards dealing with the Russian interference, towards his critics, etc. The coverage is negative because of Trump’s negatives. Nepotism, conflicts of interest, foreign policy debacles like that release of intelligence to the Russians, evidence that he fired Comey because he didn’t like being investigated. He’s behind on his appointments, and the one he got he only got because the Senate butchered Senate tradition to hand it to him.

You guys hired an incompetent, belligerent moron. You overlooked his many character flaws, never vetted him about his businesses, decided it was more important to ride a wave of populist discontent than to ask uncomfortable questions about why a Presidential candidate would ask hackers to breach his rivals security and steal their files.

We all have breaking points for support of the politicians up in their Washington. The way you really get into trouble is when you keep lowering those standards in order to avoid having to reach that breaking point. Defining down deviancy for yourself, corrupting yourself so you don’t have to hand a win to your rivals. You don’t consider that not everybody else is keeping pace with the lowering of your standards, and as you keep going in this direction, the circle of people who would help you elect these leaders grows smaller.

It’s time to realize Trump is going to limp into the next election with more baggage than ten Hillary Clintons, and worse, unlike with Clinton, people will be able to prove most of those accusations, sometimes even from Trump’s own rarely closed mouth. Continuing to cover for him is an act of political masochism.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at May 22, 2017 11:56 AM
Comment #416590

“So don’t act all superior with me.”

Sorry Stephen, it’s not an act.

Very poor spin on the bias reporting by major media on Trump Stephen. But then, we all know that “facts” are only that when “you” agree.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 22, 2017 3:00 PM
Comment #416593

The problem is not bias against Trump. The problem is that Trump is an idiot. He is incompetent. He lies on camera.

Take today. Just one example.

Trump and Netanyahu appeared on stage and fielded a couple questions. Trump announced that, when he had the Russian Ambassador and Foreign Minister in the Oval Office for a meeting requested by Putin, and then gave the Russians classified information that was not even available to our close allies…

I can’t believe I just wrote that sentence.

Anyway, when Trump had the Russian Ambassador and Foreign Minister in the Oval Office for a meeting requested by Putin, Trump claimed that when he gave them classified information, he never mentioned Israel.

“Just so you understand, I never mentioned the word or the name Israel.”

The thing is, no one ever said he did. Trump denied something that never happened in order to convince people he did not give the Russians classified material. In fact, he gave the Russians enough information to figure out the source. So Trump was lying. He was attempting to misdirect, to mislead.

And that is just today. He is an idiot. He is utterly incompetent. He lies virtually every day, whether it is about the size of the crowds at inauguration, three to five million illegal votes costing him the popular vote, and more. It is not the fault of the media. That is not bias. That is just Trump lying, misdirecting, misleading, and doing everything possible to hide his incompetence and his thralldom to all things Russian.

Posted by: phx8 at May 22, 2017 4:42 PM
Comment #416594

Poor phx8, he just can’t wrap his mind around Donald Trump actually being the president despite how phx8 feels about him.

Some day we expect phx8 to realize that what he thinks about President Trump isn’t relevant.

I find it a tribute to President Trump that he can do so much despite all the distractions brought on by the small minded and envious Left and some members of his own party as well.

The Left is beginning to pull back on all the Impeachment talk as the Party Leaders are worried about the lack of evidence. They have their base riled up, and if it proves to be nothing, the Democrat leadership will be blamed.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 22, 2017 4:57 PM
Comment #416595

Impeachment will be up to the Republicans. Pelosi and others are right to urge patience. In truth, there is little choice. Let the facts come out. Collusion will be difficult to prove in any event. Circumstantial evidence may make guilt obvious, but that IMO that does not rise to the level necessary to remove a president from office.

Flynn is in hot water and announced he will take the 5th rather than cooperate with the Senate. That is his right.

“The mob takes the Fifth Amendment. If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”
Donald Trump, September 2016

Manafort and Roger Stone turned over requested documents. That is interesting.

If impeachment ever happens, it will more likely be over money laundering. The case for obstruction of justice in the Comey firing is pretty clear cut, but would the GOP want to pull the trigger? This is where approval ratings matter. This is where special elections matter. If GOP legislators think they are going to lose their jobs, as indicated by losses in special elections and abysmally low approval ratings, they’ll dump Trump.

Posted by: phx8 at May 22, 2017 5:16 PM
Comment #416596

Interesting take on things phx8. Thanks

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 22, 2017 5:24 PM
Comment #416598

I am highly skeptical we’ll see any movement impeachment wise as long Republicans control Congress. After Democrats win next year’s election, it’s a different story. By that point, Mueller and Congress will have gathered enough evidence to make a determination as to whether impeachment is worth pursuing.

It is my humble opinion that Trump probably did not personally collude with Russia last year. Paul Manafort, Carter Page and Michael Flynn are a different story. Those men will likely go to jail, but Trump won’t pay any price except with a further reduction in his poll numbers. But, in all honesty, I am speaking from ignorance here.

A week ago, it made sense for me to sound the alarm and beat the drums against Trump because I firmly believed that an investigation independent of Congress or the Executive was necessary. But with Mueller appointed, there’s no need for that now. To be frank, I was even bothered by Friday’s anonymous leaks. Those didn’t really serve any purpose except to hurt Donald Trump. And, they hurt him in a pretty unfair way, as he doesn’t really have any legal way to respond to those anonymous revelations.

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 23, 2017 12:47 AM
Comment #416612

WP,
Yes, it is hard to imagine the GOP impeaching its president. The evidence would have to be overwhelming. Even something like obstruction of justice could be waved off, dismissed as not sufficiently serious enough to impeach.

Was there collusion? I think so, and I think Trump was in on it. He has the kind of mindset that would rationalize it as the right thing to do- how could something that helps him possibly be bad? And if it helps the Russians too, maybe that would be a good thing too? However, proving collusion beyond a reasonable doubt is tough.

A crime that can be proven is money laundering. Jared Kushner made himself into a person of interest in a criminal probe because of his association with a Russian pal of Putin who ran a bank. Trump and some of his cronies have a long history of associations with Russian and American mobsters and crooked Russian oligarchs. Real estate and casinos are two classic businesses for laundering. Catching him would not be easy- it probably took place years ago- but the people who investigate that are VERY good.

Posted by: phx8 at May 23, 2017 11:56 AM
Comment #416613

WP,
Yes, it is hard to imagine the GOP impeaching its president. The evidence would have to be overwhelming. Even something like obstruction of justice could be waved off, dismissed as not sufficiently serious enough to impeach.

Was there collusion? I think so, and I think Trump was in on it. He has the kind of mindset that would rationalize it as the right thing to do- how could something that helps him possibly be bad? And if it helps the Russians too, maybe that would be a good thing too? However, proving collusion is tough.

A crime that can be proven is money laundering. Jared Kushner made himself into a person of interest in a criminal probe because of his association with a Russian pal of Putin who ran a bank. Trump and some of his cronies have a long history of associations with Russian and American mobsters and crooked Russian oligarchs. Real estate and casinos are two classic businesses for laundering. Catching him would not be easy- it probably took place years ago- but the people who investigate that are VERY good.

Posted by: phx8 at May 23, 2017 11:56 AM
Comment #416614

WP,
Yes, it is hard to imagine the GOP impeaching its president. The evidence would have to be overwhelming. Even something like obstruction of justice could be waved off, dismissed as not sufficiently serious enough to impeach.

Was there collusion? I think so, and I think Trump was in on it. He has the kind of mindset that would rationalize it as the right thing to do- how could something that helps him possibly be bad? And if it helps the Russians too, maybe that would be a good thing too? However, proving collusion is tough.

Posted by: phx8 at May 23, 2017 11:57 AM
Comment #416615

A crime that can be proven is money laundering. Jared Kushner turned himself into a person of interest in a criminal probe because of his association with a Russian pal of Putin who ran a bank, and his attempt to hide a meeting with the guy. Trump and some of his cronies have a long history of associations with Russian and American mobsters and crooked Russian oligarchs. Real estate and casinos are two classic businesses for laundering. Catching Trump would not be easy- it probably took place years ago- but the people who investigate that are VERY good.

Posted by: phx8 at May 23, 2017 11:58 AM
Comment #416616

A crime that can be proven is money laundering. Jared Kushner turned himself into a person of interest because of his association with a Russian pal of Putin who ran a bank, and his attempt to hide a meeting with the guy. Trump and some of his cronies have a long history of associations with Russian and American mobsters and crooked Russian oligarchs. Real estate and casinos are two classic businesses for laundering. Catching Trump would not be easy- it probably took place years ago- but the people who investigate that are VERY good.

Posted by: phx8 at May 23, 2017 11:58 AM
Comment #416617

A crime that can be proven is money laundering. The son-in-law turned himself into a person of interest because of his association with a Russian pal of Putin who ran a bank, and his attempt to hide a meeting with the guy. Trump and some of his cronies have a long history of associations with Russian and American mobsters and crooked Russian oligarchs. Real estate and casinos are two classic businesses for laundering. Catching Trump would not be easy- it probably took place years ago- but the people who investigate that are VERY good.

Posted by: phx8 at May 23, 2017 11:59 AM
Comment #416618

A crime that can be proven is money laundering. Trump and some of his cronies have a long history of associations with Russian and American mobsters and crooked Russian oligarchs. Real estate and casinos are two classic businesses for laundering. Catching Trump would not be easy- it probably took place years ago- but the people who investigate that are VERY good.

Posted by: phx8 at May 23, 2017 11:59 AM
Comment #416624

An FEC member is requesting an investigation into Russian agents buying FB advertisements. More collusion, this time in social media.

Time Magazine reports: “In 2016, Russia had used thousands of covert human agents and robot computer programs to spread disinformation referencing the stolen campaign emails of Hillary Clinton, amplifying their effect.”

Two organizations with links to Trump are being investigated: Cambridge Analytica, which has ties to Kushner, and Breitbart.

Posted by: phx8 at May 23, 2017 2:29 PM
Comment #416625

Drip, drip, drip…

Each new revelation or allegation only makes it harder for Trump & Ryan to put their ideology into action.

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 23, 2017 3:27 PM
Comment #416626

Drip, drip, drip…

Silly Warren. That’s his coffee percolator. Wake up!

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 23, 2017 3:34 PM
Comment #416627

You need to work harder on your jokes

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 23, 2017 3:37 PM
Comment #416628

Silly me.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 23, 2017 3:50 PM
Comment #416629

Hey Warren…I found the drip.

http://freebeacon.com/politics/pelosi-accidentally-refers-to-nra-as-part-of-intelligence-community/

That’s a Pelosi brain-drip. I have some of Schumer and Watters also.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 23, 2017 4:00 PM
Comment #416630

There’s a standard response given out when journalists ask about national security matters, called the Glomar Response The original read:

We can neither confirm nor deny the existence of the information requested but, hypothetically, if such data were to exist, the subject matter would be classified, and could not be disclosed.

Trump’s response of essentially saying, I never told them the information came from Israel is a textbook reason why such a responses exists. If Russia wasn’t sure the intelligence was Israeli, it can be sure now.

Guy just doesn’t know how to shut up, when to shut up, or what to shut up about. Sometimes the best way to address a given subject is to say nothing.

Royal Flush-
I think they’re pulling them back mainly because with your fellow Republicans in charge, it will take something so bloody obvious to get them to vote for impeachment that it’s unlikely to happen before Congress changes hands. Also, unlike many Republicans, we recognize the problems in promising revelations we might not actually get, in lieu of the stuff which is really coming.

One thing for sure: This is the kind of administration where somebody goes to jail. There’s just too much hinky BS going on, too many greedy bastards who think they can walk between the raindrops.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at May 23, 2017 4:56 PM
Comment #416631

“This is the kind of administration where somebody goes to jail.”

From your comment Stephen, there must be obvious signs from previous administrations that you identified. Can you share them?

I will share with you my belief that we will see the day when Hillary does a “perp-walk” from her home for mishandling sensitive material and her involvement in the Clinton Crime Family Foundation.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 23, 2017 5:13 PM
Comment #416634

If this is the kind of administration that somebody goes to jail, Stephen, the last one is the kind where someone should be under the jail serving time.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 23, 2017 8:14 PM
Comment #416635
…..and her involvement in the Clinton Crime Family Foundation.

Royal I googled this thing once again and once again nothing but extremist far right fake news sites and old douchebags spreading propaganda. Are you sure such a thing exists?

I did find this when I googled Trumps foundation

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-foundation-apparently-admits-to-violating-ban-on-self-dealing-new-filing-to-irs-shows/2016/11/22/893f6508-b0a9-11e6-8616-52b15787add0_story.html?utm_term=.6a484246a5ef

While I admire your continued effort to point the finger at the candidate that wasn’t elected to the office of president I have to tell you the election is over Royal shouldn’t you be more worried about Trumps family? After all they are in the White House, he has anointed relatives to serve in the government. Is nepotism ok with you?

Posted by: j2t2 at May 23, 2017 8:22 PM
Comment #416642

Deep state has been digging around looking for evidence for the last 10 months. If there were anything of substance it would have been leaked by now, and there would have been a determination, but…..nothing. This is nothing more than a distraction designed to keep the president on the defensive, and derail his agenda. Typical Alinsky tactic of trying to create chaos, and convince people there is something there by repeating it over and over until they believe it. Lol

Posted by: dbs at May 24, 2017 6:57 AM
Comment #416644
If there were anything of substance it would have been leaked by now

What an absurd assumption!

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 24, 2017 12:06 PM
Comment #416645

dbs,
If by “deep state” you mean the FBI investigation into Russian influence on the election, and criminal cooperation between the Trump campaign and the Russians, then yes, they are continuing to look. If there was “nothing of substance” then the counter-intelligence investigation would not have become a criminal investigation, and a Special Counsel would not have been named. Flynn would not have asked for immunity and then used the 5th amendment. This will come out in time. The idea that there is no substance is ludicrous.

The Trump agenda is horrific. Trump REPEATEDLY promised no cuts to Medicaid or Social Security during the campaign. REPEATEDLY. His budget proposes $880 billion in immediate cuts to Medicaid, and another $600 down the line, effectively gutting the program. Medicaid makes health care available to the poor. His budget also proposes to do away with SSDI, Social Security Disability Insurance. A lot of disabled people rely on it. You almost certainly know someone who does. The proposed budget would also cut Meals on Wheels. The Trump agenda is simply monstrous. It is grotesque. Those cuts to Medicaid and SSDI will be redistributed to the richest of the rich and corporations in the form of tax cuts.

That is part of the reason no one will support Trump- not Democrats, not Republicans. There is a good reason his approval ratings range from 38 - 40%, lower than Obama experienced at anytime in eight years! The other part of the reason is sheer incompetence.

Despite having a majority in both the House and the Senate, Trump can not get anything done. He still needs to make literally hundreds of appointments, plus a lot of nominations. That is no one’s fault but his own. He owns that. He has attempted to govern using Executive Orders, and that has been a disaster too, especially the unconstitutional Immigration EO’s.

Trump’s wounds are self-inflicted. He is responsible for his failures, not the people who noticed his failures.

Posted by: phx8 at May 24, 2017 12:43 PM
Comment #416646

dbs,
If by “deep state” you mean the FBI investigation into Russian influence on the election, and criminal cooperation between the Trump campaign and the Russians, then yes, they are continuing to look. If there was “nothing of substance” then the counter-intelligence investigation would not have become a criminal investigation, and a Special Counsel would not have been named. Flynn would not have asked for immunity and then used the 5th amendment. This will come out in time. The idea that there is no substance is ludicrous.

The Trump agenda is horrific. Trump REPEATEDLY promised no cuts to Medicaid or Social Security during the campaign. REPEATEDLY. His budget proposes $880 billion in immediate cuts to Medicaid, and another $600 down the line, effectively gutting the program. Medicaid makes health care available to the poor. His budget also proposes to do away with SSDI, Social Security Disability Insurance. A lot of disabled people rely on it. You almost certainly know someone who does. The proposed budget would also cut Meals on Wheels. The Trump agenda is simply monstrous. It is grotesque. Those cuts to Medicaid and SSDI will be redistributed to the richest of the rich and corporations in the form of tax cuts.

That is part of the reason no one will support Trump- not Democrats, not Republicans. There is a good reason his approval ratings range from 38 - 40%, lower than Obama experienced at anytime in eight years! The other part of the reason is sheer incompetence.

Despite having a majority in both the House and the Senate, Trump can not get anything done. He still needs to make literally hundreds of appointments, plus a lot of nominations. That is no one’s fault but his own. He owns that. He has attempted to govern using Executive Orders, and that has been a disaster too, especially the unconstitutional Immigration EO’s.

Trump’s wounds are self-inflicted. He is responsible for his failures, not the people who noticed his failures.

Posted by: phx8 at May 24, 2017 12:44 PM
Comment #416647

dbs,
If by “deep state” you mean the FBI investigation into Russian influence on the election, and criminal cooperation between the Trump campaign and the Russians, then yes, they are continuing to look. If there was “nothing of substance” then the counter-intelligence investigation would not have become a criminal investigation, and a Special Counsel would not have been named. Flynn would not have asked for immunity and then used the 5th amendment. This will come out in time. The idea that there is no substance is ludicrous.

The Trump agenda is horrific. Trump REPEATEDLY promised no cuts to Medicaid or Social Security during the campaign. REPEATEDLY. His budget proposes $880 billion in immediate cuts to Medicaid, and another $600 down the line, effectively gutting the program. Medicaid makes health care available to the poor. His budget also proposes to do away with SSDI, Social Security Disability Insurance. A lot of disabled people rely on it. You almost certainly know someone who does. The proposed budget would also cut Meals on Wheels. The Trump agenda is simply monstrous. It is grotesque. Those cuts to Medicaid and SSDI will be redistributed to the richest of the rich and corporations in the form of tax cuts.

That is part of the reason no one will support Trump- not Democrats, not Republicans. There is a good reason his approval ratings range from 38 - 40%, lower than Obama experienced at anytime in eight years! The other part of the reason is sheer incompetence.

Despite having a majority in both the House and the Senate, Trump can not get anything done. He still needs to make literally hundreds of appointments, plus a lot of nominations. That is no one’s fault but his own. He owns that. He has attempted to govern using Executive Orders, and that has been a disaster too, especially the unconstitutional Immigration EO’s.

Trump’s wounds are self-inflicted. He is responsible for his failures, not the people who noticed his failures.

Posted by: phx8 at May 24, 2017 12:51 PM
Comment #416648

dbs,
If by “deep state” you mean the FBI investigation into Russian influence on the election, and criminal cooperation between the Trump campaign and the Russians, then yes, they are continuing to look. If there was “nothing of substance” then the counter-intelligence investigation would not have become a criminal investigation, and a Special Counsel would not have been named. Flynn would not have asked for immunity and then used the 5th amendment. This will come out in time. The idea that there is no substance is ludicrous.

The Trump agenda is horrific. Trump REPEATEDLY promised no cuts to Medicaid or Social Security during the campaign. REPEATEDLY. His budget proposes $880 billion in immediate cuts to Medicaid, and another $600 down the line, effectively gutting the program. Medicaid makes health care available to the poor. His budget also proposes to do away with SSDI, Social Security Disability Insurance. A lot of disabled people rely on it. You almost certainly know someone who does. The proposed budget would also cut Meals on Wheels. The Trump agenda is simply monstrous. It is grotesque. Those cuts to Medicaid and SSDI will be redistributed to the richest of the rich and corporations in the form of tax cuts.

That is part of the reason no one will support Trump- not Democrats, not Republicans. There is a good reason his approval ratings range from 38 - 40%, lower than Obama experienced at anytime in eight years! The other part of the reason is sheer incompetence.

Despite having a majority in both the House and the Senate, Trump can not get anything done. He still needs to make literally hundreds of appointments, plus a lot of nominations. That is no one’s fault but his own. He owns that. He has attempted to govern using Executive Orders, and that has been a disaster too, especially the unconstitutional Immigration EO’s.

Trump’s wounds are self-inflicted. He is responsible for his failures, not the people who noticed his failures.

Posted by: phx8 at May 24, 2017 1:09 PM
Comment #416649

dbs,
If by “deep state” you mean the FBI investigation into Russian influence on the election, and criminal cooperation between the Trump campaign and the Russians, then yes, they are continuing to look. If there was “nothing of substance” then the counter-intelligence investigation would not have become a criminal investigation, and a Special Counsel would not have been named. Flynn would not have asked for immunity and then used the 5th amendment. This will come out in time. The idea that there is no substance is ludicrous.

The Trump agenda is horrific. Trump REPEATEDLY promised no cuts to Medicaid or Social Security during the campaign. REPEATEDLY. His budget proposes $880 billion in immediate cuts to Medicaid, and another $600 down the line, effectively gutting the program. Medicaid makes health care available to the poor. His budget also proposes to do away with SSDI, Social Security Disability Insurance. A lot of disabled people rely on it. You almost certainly know someone who does. The proposed budget would also cut Meals on Wheels. The Trump agenda is simply monstrous. It is grotesque. Those cuts to Medicaid and SSDI will be redistributed to the richest of the rich and corporations in the form of tax cuts.

That is part of the reason no one will support Trump- not Democrats, not Republicans. There is a good reason his approval ratings range from 38 - 40%, lower than Obama experienced at anytime in eight years! The other part of the reason is sheer incompetence.

Despite having a majority in both the House and the Senate, Trump can not get anything done. He still needs to make literally hundreds of appointments, plus a lot of nominations. That is no one’s fault but his own. He owns that. He has attempted to govern using Executive Orders, and that has been a disaster too, especially the unconstitutional Immigration EO’s.

Trump’s wounds are self-inflicted. He is responsible for his failures, not the people who noticed his failures.

Posted by: phx8 at May 24, 2017 1:17 PM
Comment #416650

Dbs, Before there can be a determination there would need to be a confession I would think. Putin kills whistleblowers so someone stepping up and admitting anything is unlikely. That is of course if someone on Trumps campaign was actually involved in plotting with the Russians.

Perhaps this whole thing would have died down if Trump and his campaign staff were people of integrity but they simply aren’t. They proved that when they linked a repub candidates family to the Kennedy assassination. They used “alternative facts” and threatened the opposition with jail. They proved they were willing to put winning above country, winning at any cost and they paid with their integrity.

What we know is Russia tampered with the elections in a disinformation campaign that favored Trump.People from Trumps team met on occasion with Putin’s people, for what? Who knows. They took advantage of the Russian interference with or without being a part of the disinformation plot. With such a lack of integrity, one would hope our national security leaders would investigate all aspects of this possible breach of justice.

IN the mean time yes there is chaos, but most of it is create by Trump and his administration. Firing the FBI director cannot be blamed on the national security leaders, that was all Trump. The American people have a right to know to what length they have been deceived. Covering up or looking as if there is a cover up is further eroding the confidence of this country. The inquiry in Congress has brought to light the seriousness, despite the whitewashing attempt by repub leaders in Congress, our national security leaders brought to this investigation. This isn’t political chicanery or some evil plot by the “deep state” this is the “deep state” doing it’s job.

Posted by: j2t2 at May 24, 2017 1:49 PM
Comment #416651

dbs,
If by “deep state” you mean the FBI investigation into Russian influence on the election, and criminal cooperation between the Trump campaign and the Russians, then yes, they are continuing to look. If there was “nothing of substance” then the counter-intelligence investigation would not have become a criminal investigation, and a Special Counsel would not have been named. Flynn would not have asked for immunity and then used the 5th amendment. This will come out in time. The idea that there is no substance is ludicrous.

The Trump agenda is horrific. Trump REPEATEDLY promised no cuts to Medicaid or Social Security during the campaign. REPEATEDLY. His budget proposes $880 billion in immediate cuts to Medicaid, and another $600 down the line, effectively gutting the program. Medicaid makes health care available to the poor. His budget also proposes to do away with SSDI, Social Security Disability Insurance. A lot of disabled people rely on it. You almost certainly know someone who does. The proposed budget would also cut Meals on Wheels. The Trump agenda is simply monstrous. It is grotesque. Those cuts to Medicaid and SSDI will be redistributed to the richest of the rich and corporations in the form of tax cuts.

That is part of the reason no one will support Trump- not Democrats, not Republicans. There is a good reason his approval ratings range from 38 - 40%, lower than Obama experienced at anytime in eight years! The other part of the reason is sheer incompetence.

Despite having a majority in both the House and the Senate, Trump can not get anything done. He still needs to make literally hundreds of appointments, plus a lot of nominations. That is no one’s fault but his own. He owns that. He has attempted to govern using Executive Orders, and that has been a disaster too, especially the unconstitutional Immigration EO’s.

Trump’s wounds are self-inflicted. He is responsible for his failures, not the people who noticed his failures.

Posted by: phx8 at May 24, 2017 2:18 PM
Comment #416652

Thanks j2t2 for the Post link. I found it interesting.

For info on the Clinton (Crime) Family Foundation go here.

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/the-clinton-foundation-is-dead-but-the-case-against-hillary-isnt/

Charles Krauthammer pretty much summed up the whole tawdry tale: “The foundation is a massive family enterprise disguised as a charity, an opaque and elaborate mechanism for sucking money from the rich and the tyrannous to be channeled to Clinton Inc.,” he wrote. “Its purpose is to maintain the Clintons’ lifestyle (offices, travel accommodations, etc.), secure profitable connections, produce favorable publicity and reliably employ a vast entourage of retainers, ready to serve today and at the coming Clinton Restoration.”

Except, now there is no Clinton Restoration. So there’s no reason for any donors to give money to the foundation. It lays bare the fiction of a massive “charitable organization,” and shows it for what it was: a scam to sell for cash the waning influence of the Democrats’ pre-eminent power couple. As far as the charity landscape goes, the Clinton Global Initiative won’t be missed.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 24, 2017 2:38 PM
Comment #416653

Thanks j2t2 for the Post link. I found it interesting.

For info on the Clinton (Crime) Family Foundation go here.

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/the-clinton-foundation-is-dead-but-the-case-against-hillary-isnt/

Charles Krauthammer pretty much summed up the whole tawdry tale: “The foundation is a massive family enterprise disguised as a charity, an opaque and elaborate mechanism for sucking money from the rich and the tyrannous to be channeled to Clinton Inc.,” he wrote. “Its purpose is to maintain the Clintons’ lifestyle (offices, travel accommodations, etc.), secure profitable connections, produce favorable publicity and reliably employ a vast entourage of retainers, ready to serve today and at the coming Clinton Restoration.”

Except, now there is no Clinton Restoration. So there’s no reason for any donors to give money to the foundation. It lays bare the fiction of a massive “charitable organization,” and shows it for what it was: a scam to sell for cash the waning influence of the Democrats’ pre-eminent power couple. As far as the charity landscape goes, the Clinton Global Initiative won’t be missed.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 24, 2017 2:40 PM
Comment #416654

Thanks j2t2 for the Post link. I found it interesting.

For info on the Clinton (Crime) Family Foundation go here.

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/the-clinton-foundation-is-dead-but-the-case-against-hillary-isnt/

Charles Krauthammer pretty much summed up the whole tawdry tale: “The foundation is a massive family enterprise disguised as a charity, an opaque and elaborate mechanism for sucking money from the rich and the tyrannous to be channeled to Clinton Inc.,” he wrote. “Its purpose is to maintain the Clintons’ lifestyle (offices, travel accommodations, etc.), secure profitable connections, produce favorable publicity and reliably employ a vast entourage of retainers, ready to serve today and at the coming Clinton Restoration.”

Except, now there is no Clinton Restoration. So there’s no reason for any donors to give money to the foundation. It lays bare the fiction of a massive “charitable organization,” and shows it for what it was: a scam to sell for cash the waning influence of the Democrats’ pre-eminent power couple. As far as the charity landscape goes, the Clinton Global Initiative won’t be missed.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 24, 2017 2:41 PM
Comment #416655

Thanks j2t2 for the Post link. I found it interesting.

For info on the Clinton (Crime) Family Foundation go here.

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/the-clinton-foundation-is-dead-but-the-case-against-hillary-isnt/

Charles Krauthammer pretty much summed up the whole tawdry tale: “The foundation is a massive family enterprise disguised as a charity, an opaque and elaborate mechanism for sucking money from the rich and the tyrannous to be channeled to Clinton Inc.,” he wrote. “Its purpose is to maintain the Clintons’ lifestyle (offices, travel accommodations, etc.), secure profitable connections, produce favorable publicity and reliably employ a vast entourage of retainers, ready to serve today and at the coming Clinton Restoration.”

Except, now there is no Clinton Restoration. So there’s no reason for any donors to give money to the foundation. It lays bare the fiction of a massive “charitable organization,” and shows it for what it was: a scam to sell for cash the waning influence of the Democrats’ pre-eminent power couple. As far as the charity landscape goes, the Clinton Global Initiative won’t be missed.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 24, 2017 2:42 PM
Comment #416656

Thanks j2t2 for the Post link. I found it interesting.

For info on the Clinton (Crime) Family Foundation go here.

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/the-clinton-foundation-is-dead-but-the-case-against-hillary-isnt/

Charles Krauthammer pretty much summed up the whole tawdry tale: “The foundation is a massive family enterprise disguised as a charity, an opaque and elaborate mechanism for sucking money from the rich and the tyrannous to be channeled to Clinton Inc.,” he wrote. “Its purpose is to maintain the Clintons’ lifestyle (offices, travel accommodations, etc.), secure profitable connections, produce favorable publicity and reliably employ a vast entourage of retainers, ready to serve today and at the coming Clinton Restoration.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 24, 2017 2:44 PM
Comment #416658

Thanks j2t2 for the WP link.

I found some good info on the Clinton Crime Family Foundation but WB just wouldn’t allow me to post. Don’t know why.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 24, 2017 2:58 PM
Comment #416664

dbs,
If by “deep state” you mean the FBI investigation into Russian influence on the election, and criminal cooperation between the Trump campaign and the Russians, then yes, they are continuing to look. If there was “nothing of substance” then the counter-intelligence investigation would not have become a criminal investigation, and a Special Counsel would not have been named. Flynn would not have asked for immunity and then used the 5th amendment. This will come out in time. The idea that there is no substance is ludicrous.

The Trump agenda is horrific. Trump REPEATEDLY promised no cuts to Medicaid or Social Security during the campaign. REPEATEDLY. His budget proposes $880 billion in immediate cuts to Medicaid, and another $600 down the line, effectively gutting the program. Medicaid makes health care available to the poor. His budget also proposes to do away with SSDI, Social Security Disability Insurance. A lot of disabled people rely on it. You almost certainly know someone who does. The proposed budget would also cut Meals on Wheels. The Trump agenda is simply monstrous. It is grotesque. Those cuts to Medicaid and SSDI will be redistributed to the richest of the rich and corporations in the form of tax cuts.

That is part of the reason no one will support Trump- not Democrats, not Republicans. There is a good reason his approval ratings range from 38 - 40%, lower than Obama experienced at anytime in eight years! The other part of the reason is sheer incompetence.

Despite having a majority in both the House and the Senate, Trump can not get anything done. He still needs to make literally hundreds of appointments, plus a lot of nominations. That is no one’s fault but his own. He owns that. He has attempted to govern using Executive Orders, and that has been a disaster too, especially the unconstitutional Immigration EO’s.

Today, Trump gave away the location of two of our nuclear submarines.

He praised the president of the Philippines for doing an “unbelievable” job with their drug problem. What they are doing is sending vigilantes into the streets to execute suspected drug users- 9,000 and counting. Trump keeps praising dictators and ignoring human rights concerns.

Trump’s wounds are self-inflicted. He is responsible for his failures, not the people who noticed his failures.

Posted by: phx8 at May 24, 2017 5:17 PM
Comment #416665

Goodness, what a mess! Sorry for the multiple postings.

Posted by: phx8 at May 24, 2017 5:18 PM
Comment #416667

Just a reminder: there are a few words on the Watchblog spam filter’s blacklist. $ex is one of them, but c@$ino is another. Any comment with either of those words will not appear unless I remember to check the spam filter and manually publish it.

Because I am only a volunteer and I have many other responsibilities in my busy life, I cannot reliably check the spam filter periodically to fetch people’s comments. If you insist on writing a comment with forbidden words or too many links (I believe the limit is 3), you are much better off sending me an email: WarpedReality89 [at] gmail [dot] com.

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 24, 2017 5:37 PM
Comment #416668

A mess indeed phx8, but certainly nothing we did.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 24, 2017 5:39 PM
Comment #416669

NEWS FLASH, Obama administration unmasked and UNCONSTITUTIONALY survailed 1000’s of Americans. This IMO is worse then the BS stories about Trump.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 24, 2017 6:45 PM
Comment #416670

The amount of caterwauling done by the Democratics when Lois Lerner evoked her 5th amendment right was deafening. It was a non-stop crescendo of demands to get to the bottom of it, because you don’t plead the fifth if you’re innocent, right?

The silence cone created by the Democratics surrounding Flynn, however, shows the hypocrisy and great lengths they will go to protect their ideology.

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 24, 2017 7:04 PM
Comment #416671
I found some good info on the Clinton Crime Family Foundation but WB just wouldn’t allow me to post. Don’t know why.

Maybe they had a truth checker wall that this link just couldn’t get over Royal. Whoever wrote this opinion piece you linked to forgot to mention several facts,I know what a surprise huh, the foremost being the CGI well….read it here-
“In September 2016, it was announced that the Initiative would be winding down to be discontinued and that 74 employees would be let go at the end of the year.[38][39] In January 2017, it was announced that another 22 employees would be let go by April 15, 2017, and that CGI University would be continued.”
[40][41]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Foundation


So it seems this guy didn’t know CGI, except for the CGI University part of CGI, was already being closed down prior to the election. Which kinda makes his self serving opinion lame.

Krauthammer was one of the douche bags I was referring to earlier. Again it is opinion without any facts to back it up.

Once again from Wiki-

“According to the Foundation’s website, neither Bill Clinton nor his daughter, Chelsea Clinton (both are members of the governing board), draws any salary or receives any income from the Foundation. When Hillary Clinton was a board member she, too, received no income from the Foundation.[10]”

So unless Krauthammer has some proof, not just conjecture, he remains just another douchebag. Or perhaps he could revise his statement simply by replacing the Clinton name with the Trump name as Trump, with his foundation, has done exactly….what…they…accuse….the…other….guys…of….doing!!!

Posted by: j2t2 at May 24, 2017 7:45 PM
Comment #416673
you don’t plead the fifth if you’re innocent, right

No one of significance has said that Flynn’s exercise of his fifth amendment rights is proof that he is guilty of a crime. Instead, the left has made noise about the hypocrisy demonstrated by the right.

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 24, 2017 9:06 PM
Comment #416689

If there was “nothing of substance” then the counter-intelligence investigation would not have become a criminal investigation, and a Special Counsel would not have been named. Flynn would not have asked for immunity and then used the 5th amendment. This will come out in time. The idea that there is no substance is ludicrous.

Where was phx8 when Lois Lerner plead the fifth? Where is his claim that her innocence is “ludicrous”?

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 25, 2017 12:09 PM
Comment #416690

Nothing of substance ever came of the IRS allegations. We shall wait and see if the same happens with the current Russian Affair. However, my reading of the tea leaves is that we’ve only seen the tip of the iceberg when it comes to this investigation.

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 25, 2017 12:29 PM
Comment #416691

OH, MY…what to do about j2t2. He obviously didn’t bother to open the “Investors Daily Business” link I provided in comment #416656 which stated…

“While everyone’s been gearing up for President Trump’s inauguration, the Clinton Foundation made a major announcement this week that went by with almost no notice: For all intents and purposes, it’s closing its doors.

In a tax filing, the Clinton Global Initiative said it’s firing 22 staffers and closing its offices, a result of the gusher of foreign money that kept the foundation afloat suddenly drying up after Hillary Clinton failed to win the presidency.”

Please tell us j2t2, why would the Clinton Crime Family close a foundation that was doing so much “good” around the world simply because they no longer held public office?

And, why would the countries so generous in giving while a Clinton held political office, now stop being so generous?

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 25, 2017 2:10 PM
Comment #416692

However, my reading of the tea leaves is that we’ve only seen the tip of the iceberg when it comes to this investigation.
Posted by: Warren Porter at May 25, 2017 12:29 PM

Agree Warren, but perhaps not in the same way you perceive it.

Video: Obama’s NSA conducted illegal searches on Americans for years: Report

http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/in-the-news/video-obamas-nsa-conducted-illegal-searches-americans-years-report/?utm_source=campaigner&utm_campaign=On_air_5-25-17&cmp=1&utm_medium=email

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 25, 2017 2:23 PM
Comment #416699

Royal instead of asking me nonsensical questions read when they actually decided to closed it down.

“In September 2016, it was announced that the Initiative would be winding down to be discontinued and that 74 employees would be let go at the end of the year.[38][39] In January 2017, it was announced that another 22 employees would be let go by April 15, 2017, and that CGI University would be continued.”
[40][41]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Foundation

IN Sept.2016 2 months before the election. Probably because of like Krauthammer and others making it an issue in the campaign. Before they knew Clinton lost the election.

Posted by: j2t2 at May 25, 2017 3:13 PM
Comment #416704

I guess that j2t2 has no idea why the Clinton Crime Family Foundation closed. All knowledgeable persons understand the reasons. All my poor Pal can do is report the fact and ignore the reason.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 25, 2017 4:00 PM
Comment #416714

Royal you are getting as senile as Trump. The Foundation you speak of exists only in the minds of propagandist and old douchegags.

All knowledgeable persons understand the reasons.

What a stretch Royal. You would have us believe that the Clintons knew in Sept 2016 that they would lose the election. Your fictional account is just outright lies.

All my poor Pal can do is report the fact and ignore the reason.

Alas Royal you refuse to face facts, what was I thinking…

“Probably because of like Krauthammer and others making it an issue in the campaign. Before they knew Clinton lost the election.”
Posted by: j2t2 at May 25, 2017 3:13 PM

Posted by: j2t2 at May 25, 2017 7:57 PM
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