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First Female Chief Usher Dismissed By Trump

The first female White House Chief Usher was unexpectedly fired this week.

Angella Reid, who is also only the second African American to hold the position, had her final day on Thursday. Staff were not aware of the dismissal until they arrived at work on Friday.

"She is no longer employed here at the White House," confirmed principal deputy White House press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, on Friday's daily briefing. "We left on very good terms and wish her the very best and certainly hope for great things for her in the future. However, it's not uncommon you might have a transition of staff when a new administration comes in. It's nothing more than that."

The current deputy usher will take over Reid's role, which she has held since 2011 under Obama.

Although the White House has downplayed the firing, it is actually quite rare for the Chief Usher to be replaced and their tenure typically spans multiple administrations. Since the beginning of the 20th century there have only been nine people in the position. Usually departures are due to retirement or because they've decided on another position - such as Reid's predecessor Adm. Stephen W. Rochon joining Homeland Security.

"This is really some s***. Please RT so people know who 45 thinks is disposable," Tweeted Obama deputy chief of staff Alyssa Mastromonaco.

No reason has been publicly given for why the Trump administration no longer wanted Reid, but during a time when the President is out of favor with women and minorities, it probably wasn't the best PR move - especially without an explanation.

The last time a permanent White House staff member was dismissed out of the blue was when Bill Clinton got rid of an assistant usher in 1993 for having an inappropriate phone conversation with Barbara Bush.

The Chief Usher plays an important role in the day to day functioning of the White House, overseeing all the other staff members. They also liaise with the first family regarding the décor, furnishings and art that adorns the buildings.

By all accounts Reid was highly competent at her job, having previously worked for the luxury Ritz-Carlton hotel group. She took a lot of pride in the role:

"What I think about most when I walk around the house is who has been here, who has done what in this particular space," Reid told CNN last year. "Because, you know, just to think that I am able to walk here now when 100 years ago, a president or first lady did, or other guests did, or some of my ancestors did."

"It gives me a sense of awe, the fact that slaves built this house and I now work in this house as a leader, something out of my wildest dreams," she said.

Reid has not made a statement regarding her departure, other than to instruct reporters to ask the White House for an explanation.

A logical theory is simply that Trump doesn't want anyone who was close to Obama to be on staff. Others are speculating that there was tension between Reid and the new administration.

Predecessor Rochon was reportedly asked to come back, but he turned down the opportunity.

Posted by KeelanB at May 6, 2017 12:37 PM
Comments
Comment #415807

This is really reaching. How long will it take the Democratics to claim this is racist and sexist? We’re close. Reid is mentioned to be a black person and a woman. It was slaves that built the house. All we need is a high ranking Democratic to come out and call Trump a racist and a sexist so the month long media feeding frenzy can get started.

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 6, 2017 1:48 PM
Comment #415812

Instead of worrying about how long until the accusations of bigotry start to fly, why don’t we worry about how the actual situation at hand? Does it make people feel comfortable when the Trump White House fires people without any perceivable explanation?

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 6, 2017 4:03 PM
Comment #415816

Do you want to run the White House, Warren Porter? Should the Democratic party determine Trump’s course of action? Do you expect to shame him into toeing the Democratic’s line with manufactured issues that have no value? Have you ever heard the saying “Choose your battles.”?

Defending issues like this makes your side look petty.

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 6, 2017 6:02 PM
Comment #415817

Warped, She was an Obama hire. If it were me I would fire and replace every Obama hire with all the leaks that went on, YES I would fire every one of them.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 6, 2017 6:41 PM
Comment #415818
She was an Obama hire

Stephen W. Rochon was a Bush hire. Obama didn’t fire him.
Gary J. Walters was a Reagan hire. Neither Bush Sr nor Clinton nor Bush Jr fired him.
Rex Scouten was a Nixon hire. Neither Ford nor Carter nor Reagan fired him.
James B. West was an Eisenhower hire. Neither Kennedy nor Johnson fired him.
This isn’t a political position…

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 6, 2017 8:16 PM
Comment #415819

Warped, You pulled the same BS when Bush fired the U.S. Attorneys. She may have pissed off Trump, we don’t know. Anyway he has the right to hire and fire whom he pleases and if he wants to fire someone from the previous administration so be it, it’s his right. What those former Presidents did is immaterial. No matter if it’s a political position or not Trump or whomever is in office has the right to appoint someone who he wants. We can sit here and go back and forth on the matter but the fact is we DO NOT KNOW why she was fired. Maybe she broke an expensive vase WHO KNOWS.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 6, 2017 8:40 PM
Comment #415820
when Bush fired the U.S. Attorneys

The comparison is apt. The firing of US Attorneys was a serious matter, politicizing the justice system in an unprecedented manner. Ultimately, it led to the resignation of Attorney General Alberto Gonzales.

DO NOT KNOW why she was fired
Exactly. The Trump administration ought to tell the American people what is going on. If Reid did anything wrong, by all means can her, but it should be a matter of public record. Posted by: Warren Porter at May 6, 2017 9:15 PM
Comment #415824

Warped, The Trump administration does NOT have to tell us why he fired an Usher. Maybe she don’t want you to know why she was fired. If your boss fires you do you want the world to know why? The reason is between her and Trump. You want to know, track her down and ask her.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 6, 2017 9:40 PM
Comment #415825

By the way Warped, I’m not going to loose any sleep over the fact that an Usher was fired from the W. H. If this is all you liberals can find to write about it’s no wonder people are sick of hearing your BS.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 6, 2017 9:48 PM
Comment #415826

There are certainly more important issues to talk about, such as the recent AHCA disaster, but it seems no conservative wants to answer my comments on the red side.

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 7, 2017 10:27 AM
Comment #415830

The GOP War on Women- the assault on women’s issues- is in full swing.

On Friday, there was a EO signing ceremony
concerning ‘religious liberty.’ The optics really were remarkable. There was Trump on stage with a few white guys and a plasticene blond women clapping for Jesus. The audience consisted of about 100 white guys. I counted two women. And then two nuns came up on stage. It was bizarre. The whole thing was like something right out of “The Handmaid’s Tale.” That ceremony should scare the daylights out of any female.

Trump then posed at the White House with a bunch of people after the AHCA passage. Almost all of them were white males.

The GOP Senate announced its committee for their version of the AHCA. 13 white males. Seriously. What the hell is wrong with Republicans?

Meanwhile, the House AHCA was horrible in a lot of ways, but it was especially horrible for women. Funding for PP was pulled. Pre-existing conditions that may no longer be covered included pregnancy and a whole host of others.

That March for Women protest shortly after Trump’s election was the largest in American history. Now we are seeing why.

Posted by: phx8 at May 7, 2017 12:51 PM
Comment #415832

As I said phx8 we are sick of the liberal BS.

Posted by: Richard Kapitan at May 7, 2017 1:50 PM
Comment #415834

KAP,
Did I say anything factually incorrect? If my facts are incorrect, is there another way to interpret them?

I have not seen the television version of “The Handmaid’s Tale” that is currently showing, but the book is a classic dystopian novel and well worth the read. There is no way a person can watch that ‘religious liberty’ EO signing ceremony and not think of it- all males, two nuns, and a plastic blond female on stage with Trump. Wow. Combine it with the announcement of a Senate Committee on health care consisting of 13 white males, after the House destroyed just about every health care provision important to women, which the Congressmen followed by an almost all-male celebration at the White House with Trump- it is impossible not to think of such things.

Posted by: phx8 at May 7, 2017 2:03 PM
Comment #415835

Yes. Phx8 you did the GOP war on women is pure BULLS**T. It’s just liberal scare tactics. It dose not exist only in your mind.

Posted by: Richard Kapitanl at May 7, 2017 2:31 PM
Comment #415842
Pre-existing conditions that may no longer be covered

Here’s one of your “facts” that isn’t a fact. It’s fake news. Don’t you know if they’re covered or not, or are you just throwing it in there because you needed filler for your comment?

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 7, 2017 5:33 PM
Comment #415844

If we change the header to this column from

First Female Chief Usher Dismissed By Trump

to

Chief Usher Dismissed By Trump

would anyone give a shit?

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 7, 2017 5:38 PM
Comment #415845

R. F., NOPE!!!!

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 7, 2017 5:47 PM
Comment #415846

WW,
http://www.politifact.com/north-carolina/statements/2017/may/04/robert-pittenger/does-new-version-ahca-protect-coverage-pre-existin/

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2017/may/01/donald-trump/does-new-version-ahca-still-cover-pre-existing-con/

The article does not mention another very bad feature of the AHCA. Large employers cover people in many states. The employer could opt to use an insurer in whatever state costs the least, which would be achieved by covering the least. The number of people affected could be very large indeed. The upcoming CBO score on this one will be an absolute disaster.

Posted by: phx8 at May 7, 2017 5:56 PM
Comment #415847

What does the AHCA have to do with an Usher getting fired phx8?

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 7, 2017 6:29 PM
Comment #415848

Usher is a possible example of the GOP’s War on Women. Usually the War refers to the sustained legislative assault on women’s issues. The AHCA has a number of examples of that War on Women, including defunding PP and making it possible to declare things like pregnancy a pre-existing condition.

Usher is an individual example of the War on Women. I am expanding it to more general examples, such as an all-male GOP Senate Committee making those determinations on PP and so many issues that affect women; the bizarre EO signing ceremony for ‘religious liberty’ that was attended almost exclusively by men, two nuns, and a weird blond woman; and the pictures taken at the White House to celebrate the House passage of the AHCA, pictures populated almost exclusively by men.

Did you know Mike Pence will not allow himself to be alone with a woman at dinner, or in a room? Think about that. Think about just how bizarre that guy is. Let it sink in.

Guess what? The Deputy Assistant Secretary at HHS said “of course, contraception doesn’t work.” She will oversee Title X funds for family planning.

FOX News has fired Roger Ailes, Bill O’Reilly, and Bill Shine for their horrendous treatment of women in the workplace.

How much worse does this need to get before conservatives acknowledge they have a big problem.

Trump is a misogynist. The fish rots from the head down. But this problem existed before Trump and it seems to be getting worse.

Posted by: phx8 at May 7, 2017 7:18 PM
Comment #415849

The war on women is nothing more than a figment of your imagination and LIBERAL BULLS**T. The Democrats are spreading propaganda like the Japanese and Germans did during WW2. Like I have been telling you quit getting your facts from grocery store tabloids.

Posted by: Richard Kapitan at May 7, 2017 7:26 PM
Comment #415854

Regardless of if it’s a political position or not Trump or whomever is in office has the privilege to designate somebody who he needs. We can stay here and backpedal and forward on the matter however the truth of the matter is we don’t know why she was let go.

Posted by: Essay Writing Help at May 8, 2017 4:03 AM
Comment #415864

Only the far-left wing racists care about who THIS President hires to take care of things.

The lack of special treatment or government freebies does not equal some kind of war on women, racism, bigotry, hatred etc…

In this day and age where telling a woman that she looks nice is considered sexual harassment, and looking at a woman too long is called sexual assault, it would be foolish for any politician to be alone with someone of the opposite sex. Just ask Bill Clinton.

“Others are speculating that there was tension between Reid and the new administration.”

Going by how all the other Obama loyalists have been behaving, I have no doubt there was a lot of tension. Simply being a Republican justifies scorn and hate in their eyes. Add Trump being wealthy and white, and there is no doubt tension was there.

Posted by: kctim at May 8, 2017 8:30 AM
Comment #415865

Only the far-left wing racists care about who THIS President hires to take care of things.

The lack of special treatment or government freebies does not equal some kind of war on women, racism, bigotry, hatred etc…

In this day and age where telling a woman that she looks nice is considered s*xual harassment, and looking at a woman too long is called s*xual assault, it would be foolish for any politician to be alone with someone of the opposite s*x. Just ask Bill Clinton.

“Others are speculating that there was tension between Reid and the new administration.”

Going by how all the other Obama loyalists have been behaving, I have no doubt there was a lot of tension. Simply being a Republican justifies scorn and hate in their eyes. Add Trump being wealthy and white, and there is no doubt tension was there.

Posted by: kctim at May 8, 2017 8:45 AM
Comment #415866

If you have a problem with the government not funding planned parenthood you have another option, phx8.

It’s an easy peasy for the left. All you have to do is get Warren Buffet and Mark Zukerberg and Bill Gates to fund it.

Walla! Problem solved.

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 8, 2017 9:18 AM
Comment #415867

Can anyone else think of some rich lefties who act and talk like they’re broke?

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 8, 2017 9:20 AM
Comment #415868

Think of all the lefties who say they want to pay more taxes. They have a perfect opportunity to put their money where their mouth is. Donate to Planned Parenthood. They can feel good about themselves and help Democratics control the black population all in one felled swoop.

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 8, 2017 9:29 AM
Comment #415869

Former acting AG Sally Yates testifies today. Trump is already attacking her in tweets! He must be really excited to hear from her!

This is the public testimony Chairman Nunes was so anxious to prevent. We’ll see if it was worth him having to lie to the country and then recuse himself.

Posted by: phx8 at May 8, 2017 9:55 AM
Comment #415875

phx8 makes all kinds of nasty accusations against many people without one shred of evidence. On numerous occasions I have had to correct him using his own links. But, he never seems to learn.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 8, 2017 4:26 PM
Comment #415876

That’s what happens when you get your facts from Grocery Store tabloids, Royal.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 8, 2017 4:35 PM
Comment #415877

Hey phx8 I watched the whole hearing today and learned absolutely nothing new. It was a waste of time and money.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 8, 2017 6:43 PM
Comment #415878

phx8
You will have your way in due season when the trans whatever get to be part of the democratic reps. Until then just cool it and wait for your 95th birthday.

Posted by: tom humes at May 8, 2017 6:58 PM
Comment #415879

KAP,
Yates confirmed what was suspected. She met with the White House Council twice in person and once over the phone. Flynn was compromised by the Russians. Sean Spicer was lying when he tried to minimize what Yates said, characterizing it as a ‘heads-up.’ Trump was lying about the source of the election hack. It was not the Chinese or someone else, and by lying, Trump’s obfuscation was actually helping the Russians. And, if anyone cares, the attempt by Team Trump to blame Flynn on the Obama administration was shot down, but no one believed the whole thing about the security clearance in the first place.

So what did Trump know, and when did he know it? Why did he wait 18 days to fire a National Security Advisor compromised by the Russians?

Earlier, Obama let it be known that he personally warned Trump about Flynn.

The Russians “must be congratulating themselves for having exceeded their wildest expectations. They are now emboldened to continue such activities in the future, both here and around the world, and to do so even more intensely. If there has ever been a clarion call for vigilance and action against a threat to the very foundations of our democratic political system, this episode is it.”
James Clapper

Posted by: phx8 at May 8, 2017 7:15 PM
Comment #415880

Tell us something new phx8.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 8, 2017 7:33 PM
Comment #415881

“Flynn was compromised by the Russians.”

Yates never said that phx8. Please provide your link to prove your comment…you are a fake news-maker Pal.

You have called Trump and Spicer liars. Prove it you neurotic fart.

Your Clapper quote is more appropriate for the traitorous deal Obama and Kerry make with Iran.

Did Colbert mention that Obama was promised s*x with a white person in exchange for the billions flown to Iran? OH, Wait, perhaps that is just a smutty comedians perception of a joke.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 8, 2017 7:37 PM
Comment #415882

She said Flynn COULD or MAY be compromised she did NOT say he WAS phx8, get a hearing aid.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 8, 2017 8:03 PM
Comment #415884
Prove it you neurotic fart.

You are a lying ass, Royal Flush. We are now in the realm where either Yates’ committed perjury today or Trump, Spicer and all the rest are liars rotten to their core.

For the benefit of those too impaired to hear what Yates said, I provide the following:

And the Russians also knew that General Flynn had misled the vice president and others, because in the media accounts, it was clear from the vice president and others that they were repeating what General Flynn had told them, and that this was a problem because not only did we believe that the Russians knew this, but that they likely had proof of this information.

And that created a compromise situation, a situation where the national security adviser essentially could be blackmailed by the Russians. Finally, we told them that we were giving them all of this information so that they could take action, the action that they deemed appropriate.

AND

we believed that General Flynn was compromised with respect to the Russians

AND

And then importantly, that every time this lie was repeated and the misrepresentations were getting more and more specific, as — as they were coming out. Every time that happened, it increased the compromise and to state the obvious, you don’t want your national security advisor compromised with the Russians.

These are not hypotheticals. These are not could haves or may haves. Because Russia could have blackmailed Flynn at any moment, Flynn was compromised. Knowing that Flynn was compromised, the Trump administration did nothing for 18 days. Ultimately, it took a leak to The Washington Post to make him resign.

Regarding Spicer, on Feb 14 he said,

So just to be clear, the acting attorney general informed the White House counsel that they wanted to give a ‘heads up’ to us on some comments that may have seemed in conflict with what he had sent the vice president out in particular,

For the record, Spicer is using ‘heads up’ here to imply there was no need to take immediate action, such as terminating Flynn. However, that is contradicted by Yates’ testimony today.

I mean we were there to tell the White House about something we were very concerned about and emphasized to them repeatedly. It was so they could take action.

It wasn’t a ‘heads up’. Spicer is a liar.

As for Trump’s lies about the DNC hack culprits, Clapper testified:

LEAHY: January, the intelligence community, the FBI, CIA, NSA, concluded high conference (ph) that Russia interfered in the 2016 election, to denigrate Secretary Clinton, help elect Donald Trump. Last week, President Trump contradicted that consensus, he said while it could have been China, it could have been a lot of different groups. Do you feel Russia was responsible?

CLAPPER: Absolutely. And regrettably, certainly he, although the conclusions that we rendered were the same as in the highly classified report, as the unclassified, unfortunately a lot of the substantiation for that could not be put in the unclassified report because of the sensitivity of it.
To me, the evidence was overwhelming, and very compelling, that the Russians did this.
LEAHY: Does it serve any purpose for high officials, like the President, to say, “Well it could have been somebody else, it could have been china”? I mean does that really, does that help us, or does that help Russia?
CLAPPER: Well, yes, I guess it could be — you could rationalize that it helps the Russians by obfuscating who was actually responsible.
(my emphasis)
Posted by: Warren Porter at May 8, 2017 10:03 PM
Comment #415885

“We believed that Gen. Flynn was compromised with respect to the Russians.”

“The concern first about the underlying conduct itself, that he had lied to the vice president and others, the American public had been misled, and then, importantly, that every time this lie was repeated, and the misrepresentations were getting more and more specific as they were coming out, every time that happened, it increased the compromise.”

“And to state the obvious, you don’t want your national security adviser compromised with the Russians.”

“That created a compromise situation…”

“We began our meeting telling him that there had been press accounts of statements from the vice president and others that related to conduct that General Flynn had been involved in that we knew not to be the truth. The vice president was unknowingly making false statements to the American public, and General Flynn was compromised by the Russians.”

Sally Yates

Posted by: phx8 at May 8, 2017 10:16 PM
Comment #415886

WP,
lol. GMTA, even down to the strong.

Posted by: phx8 at May 8, 2017 10:17 PM
Comment #415887

“We BELIEVED that Gen. Flynn was compromised” Warped and phx8, since when is “WE BELIEVED” FACT??? When you come up with hard evidence then and only then can you both can snicker. PROOF he was compromised.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 8, 2017 10:28 PM
Comment #415890

KAP,

Did you read the other quotations? Yates clearly states why she believes what she believes.

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 8, 2017 10:38 PM
Comment #415892

Warped, She did not say he was compromised, I watched the whole thing, They said he put himself in a compromising position. That he did do but that does not mean the Russian blackmailed him. When they have hard evidence that he was compromised it will be all over the news.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 8, 2017 10:46 PM
Comment #415893

By the way Warped, There is still an investigation going on and she kept saying that she couldn’t give specifics because of that FACT. By the way Trump didn’t lie by saying that it “could have been China”. If he said China did it then it would have been a lie.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 8, 2017 10:59 PM
Comment #415895

KAP,

You don’t understand what it means to be compromised. I’ll let Sally Yates explain it to you:

And that created a compromise situation, a situation where the national security adviser essentially could be blackmailed by the Russians.

Being compromised means you are susceptible to being blackmailed. It does not mean you were actually blackmailed.

didn’t lie by saying that it “could have been China”
This would be true if there was even a small chance China was responsible for the hacking. However, that small chance doesn’t exist. China is as likely responsible for the hacking as they were for 9/11. Trump lied and your attempts to spin things to make it appear otherwise are pathetic.
There is still an investigation going on and she kept saying that she couldn’t give specifics because of that FACT

I know. I am very patient waiting for future revelations. Much of the hard evidence remains classified, rendering any statement of “no evidence” coming from the Trumpkins inoperable. I understand presumption of evidence as it applies to the legal system, but the court of public opinion follows different rules.

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 9, 2017 12:01 AM
Comment #415896

Warped, “A situation where the national security adviser COULD BE blackmailed by the Russians.” Warped the operative words “COULD BE” do not mean he was. He put himself in a position that he “may be blackmailed,” therefore she NEVER said he was blackmailed. Go back to school and learn reading comprehension.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 9, 2017 12:12 AM
Comment #415897

Warped, As far as China could have and China did. China, N. Korea, Iran or Russia could have but Russia is the probable one that did So could have is not a lie. And until they come out with definitive proof that Flynn was Blackmailed it is still “COULD BE”.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 9, 2017 12:18 AM
Comment #415900

KAP, they don’t need or care about “COULD BE” or even HOW SO, this is ALL about swaying “the court of public opinion” and winning elections.
The sad disgusting thing is that they try and hide it behind some faux concern for the country, which after their actions with Obama and Clinton, we know does not exist.

It’s all about their agenda my friend. Just laugh at their hypocrisy, and vote against them every single chance you get.

Posted by: kctim at May 9, 2017 8:36 AM
Comment #415901

kc, I do vote against them every election cycle. Your right about that “COULD BE” it’s just sad supposed college educated people can’t comprehend 2 simple words.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 9, 2017 9:56 AM
Comment #415902

No Waeped. What is pathetic is you and phx8 trying to make something that isn’t true. As far as spinning goes you 2 are the champions of the spin.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 9, 2017 10:12 AM
Comment #415903

KAP,
Just stop. You do not understand the difference between being compromised and blackmail. That would not be so bad, but then you throw around insults about reading comprehension even after the difference has been clearly explained. Seriously, this does not make you look good. Give it a rest.

kctim,
Faux concern for the country? The US is not the only country being targeted by Russian cyber attacks, but the Russian success against us was their biggest win to date, and they will certainly be back unless we find a way to shut them out.

One way is to punish those who colluded.

Another is to make voters who unwittingly went along with it aware.

Americans need to understand the nature of “hostile non-state intelligence services” that work with the Russians, like Wikileaks. They need to understand how some alt-right sources such as Breitbart and Infowars can be co-opted. This isn’t just a Democrat or Republican thing. Both sides WILL be subject to these cyber attacks in the future, and given the Russian success, other bad actors will be tempted to try the same.

Posted by: phx8 at May 9, 2017 10:57 AM
Comment #415905

phx8, “COULD BE” and I saw that on all the media stations after the hearings, means it was POSSIBLE that Flynn may be blackmailed. She NEVER said that he was. Get a hearing aide and go back to school to learn what “COULD BE” means. It’s sad that supposed educated people don’t know what 2 words mean and they try to spin it into something they want it to mean. Also she said he created a compromise situation do we know what actually was said during Flynn’s conversations? The same could be said about slick Willy Clinton when he went to Russia to give a speech. When the investigations are over and we know what was said and done then we can pass judgment til then you and your other minions need to give it a rest. I have never seen someone jump to conclusions as fast as you have phx8. I suggest you stay away from the grocery store tabloids and get your facts from reputable sorces.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 9, 2017 11:29 AM
Comment #415912

KAP,

Nobody said Flynn was blackmailed. We said he was compromised. Do you understand the difference?

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 9, 2017 12:44 PM
Comment #415913

Warped, Yes I do know the difference. Do you know what was talked about during Flynn’s conversations with the Russians? As far as I know that is under investigation. As far as him being compromised, he could have been talking about the weather in Russia as far as we know. He put himself in a compromising position depending on what the conversations were about. The only damning thing for him was when he asked for immunity.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 9, 2017 12:52 PM
Comment #415915

The word “compromise” has been bantered about with some regularity with regard to General Flynn.

I find this definition from Wilkipedia the one most appropriate.

“To compromise is to make a deal between different parties where each party gives up part of their demand. In arguments, compromise is a concept of finding agreement through communication, through a mutual acceptance of terms—often involving variations from an original goal or desires.”

What did the Russians give Flynn?

What did Flynn give the Russians?

Let’s take a brief look at other infamous subjects of compromise.

Bill Clinton got s*x from Monica.

Monica got ….(VD)?

Barack Obama got a Nobel Peach Prize.

America got f*cked.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 9, 2017 3:22 PM
Comment #415917

Good one Royal.

Posted by: Richard Kapitan at May 9, 2017 3:42 PM
Comment #415919

Did Hillary Clinton compromise the security of classified information?

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 9, 2017 4:12 PM
Comment #415920

Yep she sure did Warped, but she got away with it.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 9, 2017 4:13 PM
Comment #415921

To clarify Warped, Hillary put those classified materials in a compromising position. We don’t know if they were compromised or not.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 9, 2017 4:18 PM
Comment #415922

KAP, you are parsing words to create a meaningless distinction. Things in compromised positions are compromised. Period.

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 9, 2017 4:31 PM
Comment #415923

Warped, Do we know for sure her e mails were hacked if not then they were just in a position to be compromised.

Posted by: Richard Kapitan at May 9, 2017 4:34 PM
Comment #415924

Did Hillary Clinton compromise the security of classified information?
Posted by: Warren Porter at May 9, 2017 4:12 PM

She broke the law. Is that difficult to understand?

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 9, 2017 4:48 PM
Comment #415933

Trump fired Comey…too, about time.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 9, 2017 7:03 PM
Comment #415934

First, a more accurate definition of compromised in this case would be:

To expose or make liable to danger, suspicion, or disrepute

Did he do that? Did he put himself in a position to be exposed to danger, suspicion, or disrepute?

Some here say his actions are suspicious, but there is copious amounts of testimony that resides in the realm of speculation, not fact.

Suspicion is simply an opinion, not probable cause.

Posted by: Weary Willie at May 9, 2017 7:40 PM
Comment #415935

The firing James Comey is tremendous. Echoes of 1973’s Saturday Night Massacre abound. The fallout will take a while to digest. Expect to see a rash of new leaks from disgruntled FBI employees in the upcoming weeks.

Did he put himself in a position to be exposed to danger, suspicion, or disrepute?

That’s the question KAP should be asking. And the answer is yes. Barring perjury on the part of Yates, we now know as a matter of FACT that Flynn put himself in a position to be exposed to danger, suspicion or disrepute. In particular, he discussed recent anti-Russian US sanctions with Ambassador Kislyak and subsequently lied about it to not just the press but also to Mike Pence. With dirty laundry like that, it was only a matter of time before Russia blackmailed him. And to be clear, there is no evidence that Flynn was actually blackmailed, there’s only evidence that he put himself in a position where he could have been blackmailed.

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 9, 2017 8:16 PM
Comment #415936

Warped, I know Flynn put himself in a bad position, as I stated many time he put himself in a compromising position. That in itself dose not mean he was compromised, now at a later date he may be but I don’t think he has been compromised as of yet.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 9, 2017 9:39 PM
Comment #415937

KAP,

“Being in a compromising position” == “Being compromised”

Meanwhile, CNN reports a grand jury has been convened and is issuing subpoenas regarding Michael Flynn. Don’t forget to buy some popcorn.

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 9, 2017 9:51 PM
Comment #415938

OK Warped I’ll give in your definition is different then what mine is. That CNN news must not be that big of a deal because I can’t find it on any other news feed. My guess is that the rest of the MSM knew it was going to happen sooner or later but CNN had to make a big deal out of it. Now we’ll see if a grand jury will do anything.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 9, 2017 10:20 PM
Comment #415940

American institutions are under attack- judges, the DOJ, the FBI, the Intelligence Community, the free press- and now we will see what the American people are made of. Trump questioned a judge’s ability to do his job because he was Mexican, and disparaged another “so-called” judge. He fired an Acting AG and now the Director of the FBI. He called the IC ‘Nazis.’ Trump called the MSM “the enemy of the people.”

The IC & MSM are fighting back, but the judiciary is more vulnerable. About the only hope is for a Special Prosecutor and an Independent Commission to investigate Russian ties to Trump, but Republicans would have to approve. If the questions asked of Yates by Senators Cruz, Cronyn, and a truly stupid Senator from LA are any indications, there is not much hope.

Firing the FBI Director was a transparent attempt to slow the Russian investigations. Despite his supposed recusal for involvement with the Russians, Sessions managed to push the firing of Director Comey anyway.

We are in a really bad place, everyone of us, and I am not confident about where this is headed…

Posted by: phx8 at May 10, 2017 12:08 AM
Comment #415957

Phx8,

Yes, faux concern for the country. Proven by the left’s lack of concern for actual hacking into our government, for mishandling classified information, for shady business dealings etc…
The is absolutely no question that these ‘concerns’ of the left would not exist if it were under President Hillary Clinton.

“One way is to punish those who colluded.”

First, you must have absolute proof of who is guilty.

“Another is to make voters who unwittingly went along with it aware.”

Clinton was the worst possible candidate for you guys to put up. People were not brainwashed into voting against her.
You guys were given an inch, you took a mile, and the people rejected your candidate.

“Americans need to understand the nature of “hostile non-state intelligence services” that work with the Russians, like Wikileaks.”

Understand what? That the left will love them again as soon as they bring out something about Trump? LOL

“They need to understand how some alt-right sources such as Breitbart and Infowars can be co-opted.”

First, people who read Breitbart and InfoWars were never going to vote for a far-left candidate like Hillary.
Second, sites like those were talking about the NWO, Bilderbergs and slamming the Clinton’s WAY before she ran.
Third, to claim they have been ‘co-opted’ and are now Russian stooges is beyond silly.

“This isn’t just a Democrat or Republican thing.”

Yeah, we all were told that about Obama and his muslim connections, weren’t we.

“Both sides WILL be subject to these cyber attacks in the future, and given the Russian success, other bad actors will be tempted to try the same.”

Our government has been the subject of cyber attacks since it became a thing, and it will continue to be subject to actual cyber attacks in the future.
THAT is what we need to be spending our time and resources on, not wasting them on those we disagree with politically.

Posted by: kctim at May 10, 2017 9:10 AM
Comment #415962

We are in a really bad place, everyone of us, and I am not confident about where this is headed…
Posted by: phx8 at May 10, 2017 12:08 AM

Half true Pal. Liberals are in a “bad place” as President Trump continues to fulfill his campaign promise to “drain the swamp”.

Louisiana senator Kennedy had it just right when he charged Yates with pretending to be a supreme court justice.

She had the same problem as Comey. They both were incapable of enforcing existing law.

Comey spent nearly thirteen minutes laying out the case to bring charges against Hillary Clinton for mishandling of classified emails. Then, defying his own logic and reasoning, refused to bring charges.

At this point he was a Democrat hero. Later, he became a Democrat Devil as he reopened the case. Now, he is a Democrat hero again.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 10, 2017 3:30 PM
Comment #415964

I think we all need to help Trump drain the swamp by, in the next election fire all who are up for re election. Then do it again in the following election. I have never seen so much Hypocritical flip flopping as I have with the cry babies in congress and I speak for BOTH PARTIES.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 10, 2017 3:58 PM
Comment #416212

The Russians additionally realized that General Flynn had misdirected the VP and others, CustomessaysWriter on the grounds that in the media accounts, it was clear from the VP and others that they were rehashing what General Flynn had let them know, and this was an issue in light of the fact that not exclusively did we trust that the Russians knew this, however that they likely had evidence of this data.

Posted by: Eliza Molly at May 15, 2017 12:59 AM
Comment #418198

That is the issue KAP ought to be inquiring. Also, the appropriate response is yes. Notwithstanding prevarication with respect to Yates, Essay Help UK we now know actually that Flynn set himself in a place to be presented to threat, doubt or offensiveness.

Posted by: Kenneth Gidley at July 15, 2017 6:07 AM
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