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America Wants Stupid People

Once again the Republicans want to cut out funding for education. Every Republican administration of the past 40 years takes this tactic, complaining that we’re spending far too much on making smart Americans, however you’ll never see the GOP wanting to cut funding for the military industrial complex.

What does that tell you about the mindset of the GOP?

What civilization worth its civil, would compromise in any form the education of its people? That is insanity. It is a sign that the governing bodies want to exploit a public and population of people who aren't aware. It's akin to the dictatorships of old, the kingdoms of old, where rulers held their populations under tow for centuries, millennia if need be.

Keeping people stupid is a sure way to increase one's generational profits. Plain and simple and that is what is in effect here. Yes, the education budget of the US is huge but it is only due to mismanagement. You can't tell the truth in America or you have fifty thousand law suits. Everyone has their own version of science and history and no matter how much the proof says this is this, or that is that, you'll have a protest. Usually when the truth exposes a scam or a delusional viewpoint from the primitive past. People will just not let go of false information from the past that they associate with their personal and cultural self esteem no matter how dangerous and arresting it is.

What can you say about a culture that has the largest student loan debt in global history, while countries we rescued several times from their European tribal warfare sets have free college education and lead in academics. It's a scam that's why. Education money in the US is like any other institution in the US, give it time to take root and somebody somewhere will turn it into a racketeering operation.

Every month a new scandal regarding schools and education arise. If it's not embezzlement it's some abuse of students or employees. It's bloated for sure but not with money, but with human foibles. Schools have become professional babysitting parlors and considering the amount of technology available to teachers and students the US should be churning out Einsteins every week, but that isn't the case, why?

Because quality takes a second seat to quantity and the GOP does have that argument on their side, but they lose out when they demand religious teachings be accepted as scientific fact with not one shred of evidence to support it. Why? Because myths and legends that scare people makes it easier to control them and exploit them.

That's why China and Europe and other parts of Asia can churn out doctors and engineers by the millions where the students get Phd's by the time they're 21 and the US couldn't catch up if it had one of those Krell brain boosting machines from the science fiction movie "Forbidden Planet".

Posted by GregB at March 30, 2017 2:23 PM
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Comment #414799

“Once again the Republicans want to cut out funding for education.”

“…they (GOP) demand religious teachings be accepted as scientific fact…”

Could you provide links to your source of these beliefs Greg?

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 30, 2017 5:16 PM
Comment #414801

Royal Flush-
I’d rather he ask you this: is it true or is not true that Republican officials at state, local, and national levels have advocated, if not the teaching of Creationism, then either its watered down version, Intelligent Design, or the “teach the controversy” notion, which denigrates the rather well established Theory of Evolution as being far more controversial than it really is?

As for Republicans cutting funding for education? a 13.5% cut.

What’s this game you’ve got here? Are you even remotely aware of what your politicians are doing or have been doing?

GregB-
I think our basic issue is that we’re still pretending that we’re either going to be working on the farm, or large numbers in big factories. We deal with our kids more as customers for consumer goods, and treat those who educate themselves and learn more than just the basics of things as if they’re a bunch of losers.

Cultures in other places don’t expect as little of people as ours does. We keep on telling ourselves that we’re a brain-dead culture, and we keep on bemoaning the destruction of our culture. We don’t stop and think that perhaps this is just our being hard on ourselves, that we really just need to embrace where we are in the scheme of things, our technologically advanced culture and everything.

We are what we are. Let’s have fun with that! Only when we motivate ourselves will we fulfill our potential.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at March 30, 2017 5:34 PM
Comment #414802

Stephen asks; “What’s this game you’ve got here?”

Simple Pal, when statements are presented as “fact” that I find questionable, I ask for sources.

Your link to the Trump proposed budget is useless. It doesn’t outline or address from where the cuts will be made within the Dept of Education.

We never had a single balanced budget under Obama and a ginormous increase in our national debt. Does Stephen object to a balanced budget? Does Stephen even know how much he, personally, owes for his share of the national debt? Does Stephen ever intend to pay his share of the national debt? Does Stephen have children who will pay his share if he is unable?

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 30, 2017 5:54 PM
Comment #414808
We never had a single balanced budget under Obama and a ginormous increase in our national debt.

Wow Royal such blinders! This same statement could be said about Reagan, GWHB and GWB and the associated Congresses as well. You seem to have forgotten a balanced budget is a ploy used by conservatives when they aren’t in office.

Does Stephen object to a balanced budget?

What a foolish question Royal. You should be asking Trump this question, his proposal doesn’t balance anything. Instead you talk tripe.

Posted by: j2t2 at March 31, 2017 2:03 AM
Comment #414812

We’re spending way too much money on education and getting kids who don’t have a grasp of the basics, reading, writing, and math, and at the same time need a safe space. We don’t need a federal bureaucracy on education. Let the states handle it. Oh and while we’re at it, lets put games like dodge ball, and smear the queer back on the playground and stop raising a bunch of little pussies.

Posted by: dbs at March 31, 2017 6:51 AM
Comment #414817

Royal Flush-
That’s not questionable information. The Budget cuts Trump has asked for made national news. The instances of Republicans and religious conservsatives trying to insist on creationist teachings in science classes are numerous. Court cases exist to prove the attempts, if nothing else.

You didn’t ask for greater detail, but 13.5% cuts in a budget in a single year is very severe. And for what? The Defense Department is budgeted at twice the level it was at the beginning of this century. The defense budgets of our nearest enemies nowhere near approach it. If you want waste, fraud and duplication to carve away, why don’t you look where the ****ing money actual is, find it there!

You ask, do I object to a balanced budget? That’s sort of like asking, do I object to a visit to the dentist? Well, that fricking depends on what happens. If it’s a short, sweet, routine visit, or one where the pain medicine does its job while they do the filling or whatever, then, not too much.

If the frigging anesthesia isn’t working, and I’ve got a huge block in the jaw, and the dentist is fumbling with fragments of the toot they took out, etc., then, yes, I do object quite a bit.

Context matters here, and you guys fail to mention how absolutely bad you folks are at doing real-world budgeting. Invariably, budget deficits go up under your people, and I don’t think the fact you always go for tax cuts, regardless of whether that’s a smart idea helps.

You vent and hyperventilate to me about how awful excessive spending is, but then you pretty much behave the same way and do the same things you always do when you run up bigger deficits. I see Democrats who, despite your constant,defamatory rhetoric, create provable reductions in Budget deficits, and Republicans, who despite their own miraculous ability to kiss their own butts on the subject, have consistently, during my lifetime, run higher deficits, increased the rate of debt accumulation.

Obama had to take an unimaginably large deficit, left to him by the budgeting and financial crisis Bush ended his administration with, and keep it from running away further. He took our budget deficit from a FY2010 high of 1.547 trillion down to a FY 2017 deficit of 441 billion.

The irony is, Obama actually increased the proportion of the national debt less than Bush did. If he had kept Bush’s trajectory, that wouldn’t have been the case.

So, you ask, do I object to balanced budget? My answer is determined by two questions I would ask: Is the budget balanced in a way that causes unnecessary trouble for our economy and our national interests, and are the people badgering me about my position and my objections actually all that good on delivering on Fiscal balance?

Your balanced budget is partisan and destructive, more aimed at fulfilling a wishlist of administrative destruction than it is at actual, good, real-world results. Good programs, useful ones, economically productive ones are under the knife. This is more like a bunch of pretentious conservative college students designing a budget than anyone who’s got any experience or understanding about the operations in question.

So, when you badger me as if I have to answer to YOU or my children, my retort is this: I hire responsible people, who make real, actually progress, and do real, constructive good with their budgeting, and I trust them to do the job much better than the peacocks who strut around pretending they know what’s best.

dbs-
Your people are so interested in wrecking the public school system, so obsessed with shifting over to private and semi-private alternatives, that you fail to realize that the whole standardized testing regime is part of the problem. Students learn answers to tests and test taking skills, rather than work on the subjects themselves.

As for the rest? You ARE raising a bunch of little wimps. First, you cut things like Physical education, reduce recess time. I know you love the idea of causing our newest generations lasting brain injuries, because if they weren’t anywhere close as compromised in their neurology as those who were brought up in the age of leaded gasoline, you might be envious.

I’m sick and tired of the need to indulge a bunch of nostalgic jackasses who can’t seem to grasp that all versions of America have their lifetime, are born with their generation, live with their generation, and die with them. They are all unique, all irreplaceable, and all who live within them get angsty about how how the world they knew has gone away. But that’s life as a human being. That’s the cycle of things.

We have two choices. We can accept this, and let our children learn how to lead and excel from their own motivation, or we can helicopter parent them, keep our noses in everything, and then get surprised when the kids we smothered with assistance turn out unable to do things for themselves starting out.

They’re going to take over for us some day, maybe you quicker than me. The question is whether you’ve prepared them to make decisions for themselves, not whether you’ve indoctrinated them through and through with your program of belief. Developing initiative in our children means allowing them the ability to risk themselves and make mistakes. Without failures we don’t learn how to succeed. Your job is less to make sure they succeed at everything, and more to give them the ability to recover when they bear the cost of their mistakes.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at March 31, 2017 12:27 PM
Comment #414821

Our public schools are already wrecked, Stephen. Watching Waters World one day he was asking questions on government 1 out of 6 answered the question correctly on how many Justices are on the SCOTUS. Both side elect people to represent them in Congress that have absolutely no business in Congress, they are dumber then a box of rocks. We have people playing sports and the only reason they graduated is because they were good in sports, most can’t add 2+2 and get the right answer. I think you may need to look further into our Public School system you will find that it is broken.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at March 31, 2017 3:00 PM
Comment #414823

“He (Obama) took our budget deficit from a FY2010 high of 1.547 trillion down to a FY 2017 deficit of 441 billion.”

Well hurrah Stephen. Only a near half trillion of new debt. What a guy, what an achievement.

Back to your objections to cuts in education. I still don’t know where the cuts are being made…do you?

Stephen whoops and hollers to justify continued deficit spending but can’t answer my simple question to him. Does he know how much of the national debt is his, and how and when will he pay his debt.

Is Stephen just a freeloader depending upon the rest of us, and our children and grandchildren; to pay his debt?

As for Stephen’s comments on education, discard them as worthless.

Posted by: Royal Flush at March 31, 2017 3:27 PM
Comment #414824

It’s a good thing that kids and adults don’t turn out unable to do things for themselves when they are smothered with public assistance.

And it’s a good thing that the schools my people go to aren’t any safer or better than the schools ran by those who not my people.

“I think you may need to look further into our Public School system you will find that it is broken.”

KAP, he’s looked, he knows it’s broken, and he knows why. He just can’t accept the truth, which is why he went with the blame game with dbs.

Posted by: kctim at March 31, 2017 3:31 PM
Comment #414841

Rich KAPitan-
I think we have an obnoxious tendency to both punish people for living up to their intellectual potential (fortunately, my parents encouraged me to make the most of my brain) and then complain when people don’t compete well abroad. Your leaders want gullible people, not folks who get independent ideas. They want folks shuffled into Christian schools where they’ll learn the approved Creation story rather than that heretical evolution and deep time garbage.

They want subjects for their elites, not citizens for their republic.

The Standardized tests are making it easier to measure kid’s performance at the cost of making every aspect of learning a tedious, disconnected, bureaucratic chore, where survival- threatened teachers and administrators teach to these exams rather than efficiently convey the substance of the subject.

Royal Flush-
Obama reduced our yearly amount of new debt by over a trillion dollars. You truly are a glass-half-empty sort. If we were to stay exactly where we are now, Obama’s reduction would mean the difference between adding 4.4 trillion dollars to the debt over the decade, and adding 15 trillion plus instead. Saving the American people 10 trillion dollars in debt load is not a modest achievement. It is a profound achievement.

a 13.5% cut will be severe, and I don’t see the reason for it. He’s punishing civilian priorities for the sake of military, for the sake of a wall that has no chance of actually fulfilling its purpose. We are sacrificing the welfare of our country for your political partisanship, and Trump’s ego.

I have been paying taxes quite steadily for quite some time. I will be one of the paying taxes taxes for the forseeable future. I’d say there is nothing worthless about an education. If you want to make America’s good fortunes dependent on the bare percentage of people among the rich who can afford an education out of pocket, that’s your mistake. I was educated in the public system, and I’m grateful for that I’m not going to deny my children the support I got in my education.

kctim-
It’s not particularly broken, except where whites broke it by deliberately emptying the tax base of the cities. You can pay for a system that works for everybody, or you can pay the cost of rendering people powerless, impoverished, and dependent. Or, the cost of having a whole bunch of people with no other prospects than what they take with their hands.

We don’t need to go back to the days of the gilded age, make the mistakes of the corrupt system we left all over again. We need to get with our times, and educate children to function in this day and age, not simply to depend on our whizz-bang technology to avoid having to think or learn.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at April 1, 2017 1:08 PM
Comment #414842

“Your leaders want gullible people, not folks who get independent ideas. They want subjects for their elites, not citizens for their republic.”

Really Stephen, have you one scintilla of evidence for your brain fart comments?

Stephen’s “debt reckoning” treatise is as absurd as I have ever read. Here’s “Mr. logic” telling us to celebrate the fact that Obama only doubled our national debt rather than tripled it. Here’s a president who gets credit from Stephen for spending restraint by adding as much to our national debt as all the other presidents before him.

“a 13.5% cut (in education spending) will be severe, and I don’t see the reason for it.”

Stephen, I don’t see the reason either although I have asked you for it numerous times. You complain about cuts of which you know nothing.


Posted by: Royal Flush at April 1, 2017 1:28 PM
Comment #414847

Royal Flush-
I believe in the spirit of inquiry, not just asking questions as a political maneuver, or a plausibly deniable way of insinuating something, but to lead oneself to greater knowledge.

I have not felt for a long time that the GOP has any interest in that. It wants us to believe that it has all the answers in one self-contained package.

It is a jealous mistress you’ve sold yourself to, intolerant of all alternatives to Fundamentalist Christian thought, reductionist political and constitutional interpretation. You pick one set of books, one canon of dogmas, and insist that anything beyond this is heresy.

He doesn’t seem to like training our teachers. Doesn’t seem to like helping immigrants or low-income students. A lot of the cuts reportedly focused on the most disadvantaged students. How kind of him! He’s going to turn around and push all that School Choice BS, instead. Easy to talk about school choice when you can afford any private school you want, like those two billionaires, Donald Trump and Betsy DeVos. But if you’re not rich like they are, the school choice you’re looking for is the opportunity to go at all!

All this obsession with making everything private. All this obsession with punishing the poor for their poverty. Well, let me tell you about the law of the jungle: when there are more of them than you, and you’ve starved them all, they’re going to come after you! That is how you lay the foundation for socialism! It’s a philosophy that appeals to people because as hard as they might work, as virtuously as they may behave, when folks like Trump set the rules, they don’t get ahead. They even fall behind. Why not take, then? Why not organize labor and protest? Why not riot, if it gets bad enough? What did the authorities ever do for you to get you invested in the wellbeing of your society?

Now let me pause right there. You’re already saying, “so you’ve revealed your true sentiments!” My response is no. I much prefer a system where you earn what you get, work for what you have. It feels better. But with the Private sector gone miserly, with the Rich somehow thinking that they can gather the assets all to themselves, and win in that fashion, they’re about to learn that when you concentrate a whole lot of undereducated, underpaid, desperate people in a society, when you fail utterly to create a situation that trades a good day’s wages for a good day’s work, then people begin to regard the work they do as being futile, unproductive as far as their own lives go.

In other words, they don’t experience capitalism, they experience serfdom, the privilege of working for somebody else, who reaps most of the profits.

The places where communism and socialism most strongly rooted themselves was in the places where capitalism or traditional, stratified societies created the most inequality, the most futility in doing the work, creating the productivity that the capitalists demanded.

We saved capitalism in this country by modifying it, layering on some somewhat socialistic programs, some constraints on the markets and the managers, the capitalists and the corporations, to allow those in the lower classes the ability to profit from their work, take pride in it, and not just wear out like cogs in a machine, unappreciated, unrewarded. We diversified the reach of capitalism’s productive bounty.

But your people… they’re nostalgic for a more predatory system, and you’re doing your best to recreate it. Well, have fun. I much prefer capitalism to socialism. Getting paid for what you do, rather than simply being supported. But if you leave people no other choice, in survival terms, they will turn on you, like a herd of wildebeest turning on a pack of lions, and they will trample you.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at April 1, 2017 3:39 PM
Comment #414848

“A lot of the cuts reportedly…” (FACTS please)

“School Choice BS…”

“…you’ve starved them all…”

” What did the authorities ever do for you to get you invested in the wellbeing of your society?”

“…the Private sector gone miserly…”

“…they don’t experience capitalism, they experience serfdom…”

“We saved capitalism in this country by modifying it, layering on some somewhat socialistic programs,…”

Stephen, your latest post, filled with virulent attacks on the very fabric of society that allowed our country to reach preeminence in the world, is frightening.

I fear debating your contentions will lead to even more paranoia and I suggest getting help Stephen.

You blame everyone but yourself for your plight. Have you considered emigration to a country more suited to your beliefs?

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 1, 2017 4:09 PM
Comment #414861

“He (Obama) took our budget deficit from a FY2010 high of 1.547 trillion down to a FY 2017 deficit of 441 billion.”

“Well hurrah Stephen. Only a near half trillion of new debt. What a guy, what an achievement.”

Yes, it was a great achievement, Royal. The recovery from the Great Recession was steady and solid. Obama never panicked and kept his focus on the long term. Economists recognize that there is no quick fix for a financial sector implosion. Obama consistently displayed patience and respect for economic fundamentals.

Contrast the “no drama, Obama” style with the bombastic, simplistic approach of his successor. Give me the cautious, unflappable, quiet plodder any day. The world is complex. There are no miracle workers. Those promising quick and simple solutions for difficult problems are frauds and charlatans in my opinion.


Posted by: Rich at April 1, 2017 7:33 PM
Comment #414864

Stephen, I’m afraid liberal logic and your liberal education made mush out of your brain. Our public schools are a broken mess with kids that can’t even read past the 1st grade. Granted some students are lucky and do apply themselves, I have a granddaughter that will attest to that and is now a Senior at Marshall Univ. in W. V. but she is part of the very few who do apply themselves and want to make something of their lives. So I suggest you go back and check your stats before you make anymore Dumb comments.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at April 1, 2017 9:16 PM
Comment #414865

Stephen, I’m afraid liberal logic and your liberal education made mush out of your brain. Our public schools are a broken mess with kids that can’t even read past the 1st grade. Granted some students are lucky and do apply themselves, I have a granddaughter that will attest to that and is now a Senior at Marshall Univ. in W. V. but she is part of the very few who do apply themselves and want to make something of their lives. So I suggest you go back and check your stats before you make anymore Dumb comments.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at April 1, 2017 9:18 PM
Comment #414866

So…ahh…. Mr Kapitan you seem to be saying your granddaughter applied herself at a public school and succeeded at the College level. Yet you also say it is the liberal education and liberal logic that is the reason public schools are a broken mess. If it truly were a broken mess why do, as you say, the “lucky” that apply themselves succeed?

As far as Waters world isn’t he asking college level kids these questions? I also wonder if the reason the Waters world questions seem to stump so many is due to the fact that for the past 15 years we have been teaching to the no child left behind test and the test doesn’t ask the same questions. I know when it comes to technology the youngsters walk circles around us, yet we seem to condemn them for not being proficient with buggy whips.

IMHO you should be, on the one hand, proud of the fact kids have been dumbed down over the years. After all Conservatives have led the way to this dumbing down with their relentless attacks on unionized teachers and “godless schools”. You guys have deliberately sought to make the worst public schools system possible immediately after your boy George Wallace started shouting “states rights” when the feds started segregating schools down south.

ON the other hand you should be ashamed, not only for the obvious, for denying the intentions of conservatives for so many years. If you were proud of the solutions you have proposed, you know putting god back into schools, cutting pay, blaming teachers, stealing money for parochial schools and such you should take credit. Instead you deny and blame.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 1, 2017 10:50 PM
Comment #414867

j2t2, You need to take a class in reading comprehension. I said Liberal logic and liberal education made mush out of Stephen’s brain. Please in the future read the comment before you make your usual ignorant comments.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at April 1, 2017 11:07 PM
Comment #414868

j2, also I NEVER proposed any solutions to our education system, keep it going j2 your foolish comments are not doing you any good.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at April 1, 2017 11:16 PM
Comment #414869

I sense a lot of mushy brains here, but the mush isn’t Stephen’s, but in the responses he has received.

Posted by: Warren Porter at April 2, 2017 12:40 AM
Comment #414871

I sense a lot of mushy brains here, but the mush isn’t Stephen’s, but in the responses he has received.

Posted by: Warren Porter at April 2, 2017 12:47 AM
Comment #414872

So Stephen is private school graduate or got his liberal education at a private school in your mind KAP? Don’t deflect KAP the point is your granddaughter is special but the rest of us our grandkids don’t cut it because they aren’t “lucky” or don’t apply themselves? Yet it is the schools fault or the teachers fault the kids don’t apply themselves, except in the case of your granddaughter, who despite the “broken mess” was “lucky” and “applied herself”?

I NEVER proposed any solutions to our education system

So you just complain about them yet offer no solutions KAP. You defend conservatives who do suggest the solutions I have mentioned in the previous comment yet take no credit for the dumbing down of the kids you claim are victims of the public school system?

Posted by: j2t2 at April 2, 2017 12:51 AM
Comment #414873

Nope j2 ain’t saying she is special just saying she is one of the few who have received a public school education and did a good job. I use my years in the public schools years ago vice todays public schools. One solution to the problem may be to get the Federal government out of education and let the states set their own standards. Yep Warped, I put you in the top three of the liberal mush brains. Some of what I see coming out of the public school setting who can’t answer simple question about government give me a sick feeling on what this country will be like in 10-20 years and I say that for both parties both side have people rep
resenting them that have no business in congress.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at April 2, 2017 1:08 AM
Comment #414874

Nope j2 ain’t saying she is special just saying she is one of the few who have received a public school education and did a good job. I use my years in the public schools years ago vice todays public schools. One solution to the problem may be to get the Federal government out of education and let the states set their own standards. Yep Warped, I put you in the top three of the liberal mush brains. Some of what I see coming out of the public school setting who can’t answer simple question about government give me a sick feeling on what this country will be like in 10-20 years and I say that for both parties both side have people rep
resenting them that have no business in congress.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at April 2, 2017 1:08 AM
Comment #414876

KAP, your mushy brain is qualified to evalate neither Stephen’s brain nor mine. Sorry.

All I can say: Go back to school or read a well-written book if you want to change that.

Posted by: Warren Porter at April 2, 2017 9:20 AM
Comment #414877

So the criteria is “Some of what I see coming out of the public school setting who can’t answer simple question about government….” KAP? And of course the answer is “get the Federal government out of education and let the states set their own standards.”. Yet it seemsstates do set their own standards and the requirement for civics, history and such vary from state to state. Perhaps the younger generation is like most of the rest of us was at that age and are more interested in other things.

I would suggest the problem is people who think a liberal education is “mush”. That teaching to a test is not the best system for the kids.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 2, 2017 10:22 AM
Comment #414878

Warped, The way you comment on here and can’t take loosing an argument only a liberal will keep going when they know they screwed up, and Stephen’s comments all boil down to 4 words “Dems good, Reps bad.” so IMO you 2 qualify for the liberal Mush award.
j2, You have your opinion of Liberal education as do I. But during my time in public schools we didn’t need cry rooms and safe spaces like todays liberals do. Case in point the resent elections. From what I see coming out of the Public school system it needs help and the Feds are NOT the answer. The states know what their people need and can provide it better then a “One size fits all” solution.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at April 2, 2017 11:08 AM
Comment #414880

Stephen

“I know you love the idea of causing our newest generations lasting brain injuries, because if they weren’t anywhere close as compromised in their neurology as those who were brought up in the age of leaded gasoline, you might be envious.”

I was brought up in the age of leaded gasoline. I’m okay. Your overcomplicated personal insults are laughable by the way.


“The question is whether you’ve prepared them to make decisions for themselves, not whether you’ve indoctrinated them through and through with your program of belief.”

Yes, like the belief that critical thinking, and not socialist indoctrination is the key to succeeding in a complex world, or the belief that a sound body is as important as a sound mind, and is a choice. Unlike liberal thought which chooses to blame others for an individuals poor choices. IE eat mc donalds everyday and become a fat f@#k, and it’s not you r fault, it’s those evil marketing bastards that trick you into making poor nutritional decisions. Funny thing is, my generation was less overweight, and we had yearly physical fitness testing. Seems when you focus on principles like self reliance, and not about hurt feelings kids grow up far more independent, and less reliant on big gov’t.

Posted by: dbs at April 2, 2017 11:46 AM
Comment #414882

KAP,

Instead of proffering conservative mush, why don’t you rub a few neurons together and give us something cogent to respond to? Instead of arguing by assertion, cite why you think your premise is true. Tell me why you think I “can’t take loosing (sic) an argument” despite the numerous times I have admitted to making mistakes.

At the end of the day, your complaints amount to the pot calling the kettle black. You own writings are a much clearer example of the thought process you indict than anything written by Stephen or I. You can’t take losing an argument, defending your defunct premises long after they’ve been debunked. That’s the MO of a conservative mush brain.

Posted by: Warren Porter at April 2, 2017 2:12 PM
Comment #414884

I wonder how j2t2 can involve himself in a conversation about education when he calls George Wallace “your boy”. George Wallace was a Democratic, j2t2. Did you learn he was our boy (is there some racism in that term, j2t2?, another Democratic trait?) in the perfect education system you’re defending?

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 2, 2017 3:35 PM
Comment #414885

The left keeps asking, “Do you want us to go back to the Jim Crow days?!”. No! We don’t! That’s why we’re not electing Democratics any more!

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 2, 2017 3:37 PM
Comment #414886

The difference between my conservative mush brain and your liberal mush brain, Warped is I will admit when I am wrong you and Stephen on the other hand will continue to argue even though you are wrong.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at April 2, 2017 4:08 PM
Comment #414887

All the more reason, Rich Kapitan, to think Warren Porter and Stephen Daugherty are being paid to answer on this blog. It doesn’t matter if they are right or wrong as long as they click the post button. That would also make us suckers for responding to their obstinacy.

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 2, 2017 4:34 PM
Comment #414889

When was the last time a Watchblog conservative admitted he was wrong and that the liberal position was the correct one? KAP has certainly lost many arguments on topics ranging from climate change to his flawed assessments of the competence of President Obama to his defense of self-flagellating conservatives in Congress. Yet, he always refuses to admit he is wrong. At best, he sometimes criticizes Republicans, but always with the caveat that Democrats share guilt even if they are wholly innocent.

Meanwhile, I have admitted my screwups and changed my position numerous times. For instance, I initially thought Hillary Clinton was qualified to be President of the United States. After further education, I learned that was not the case and endorsed the candidacy of one of her opponents.

Posted by: Warren Porter at April 2, 2017 4:49 PM
Comment #414891

No arguments have been won or lost on climate change. Will you also admit there are unanswered questions pertaining to the flat earth, oops, climate change controversy?

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 2, 2017 4:59 PM
Comment #414893

Sure! There are a lot of unknowns regarding the magnitude of the economic impact of climate change/global warming. The damage could be as little as a few billion dollars up to a hundred of trillion.

But, plenty of Watchbloggers (including you and KAP) have previously argued that the greenhouse effect does not exist. That is decidedly not the case.

Posted by: Warren Porter at April 2, 2017 5:10 PM
Comment #414894

I don’t think we ever said it doesn’t exist. I do remember doubting it is man made. CO2 is not a pollutant. It’s a normal part of the ecosystem. The ecofacists may just as soon say fish urine is destroying the pond.

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 2, 2017 5:23 PM
Comment #414898

Warped, Never said it doesn’t exist I question to what effect it has and who or what is causing it. How many times have you admitted on any of the 3 blogs that you were wrong?

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at April 2, 2017 6:45 PM
Comment #414899

WW,

I know the conservative mind is wont to engage in black & white thinking, but the truth is we live in a colorful world. Molecular compounds which are pollutants in one context can be beneficial nutrients in another. ALL compounds are normal parts of the natural ecosystem. As Paracelsus once said, “[a]ll things are poison and nothing is without poison, only the dose permits something not to be poisonous.”

In the context of human civilization in the 21st century, CO2 is a pollutant. Anthropogenic emissions have propelled CO2 concentrations by 40% (from 280 ppm to 400 ppm). The last time CO2 emissions were this high, Earth was so warm that its ice caps completely melted, raising sea level by hundreds of feet.

This isn’t to say CO2 is not beneficial in other contexts. However, it poses significant threats to our economy if the risk isn’t mitigated.

KAP,

I don’t think we ever said it doesn’t exist. I do remember doubting it is man made.

The greenhouse effect is a force of nature, I don’t know what you mean by “doubting it is man made”. Are you confusing the greenhouse effect with global warming?

How many times have you admitted on any of the 3 blogs that you were wrong?
I am not going to trawl through the archives to populate a list of numerous examples for you to pick through. I do not have time to do that given my commitments to work and school. I already gave you one example (see Comment #414882 for the link). Work with that. Posted by: Warren Porter at April 2, 2017 6:59 PM
Comment #414900

Warped, Not confusing it with anything that was in WW’s comment. It isn’t that you may admit you are wrong but the continuing to debate the issue when you are wrong. I think it’s a liberal Dem. trait. Many of the dem. congress persons do the same thing.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at April 2, 2017 7:19 PM
Comment #414902

You’re shooting yourself in the foot when you say the polar ice caps totally melted. When did this happen, and what value do ice core samples have if it did happen?

If it did happen how much of that was caused by man? None? I’d say none. I think you would agree. If man had nothing to do with the polar ice caps melting what makes you think we’re going to be able to stop it from happening again? To use climate change as a vehicle to brainwash children into believing they’re destroying the world if they don’t live the way ecofacists want them to is child abuse.

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 3, 2017 12:37 AM
Comment #414903

Do you know what I think is typical leftist behavior?

Leftist teach our children about climate change and global warming and fill their heads with propaganda, but they won’t teach them to quit throwing their garbage out the car window.

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 3, 2017 12:39 AM
Comment #414904
George Wallace was a Democratic, j2t2.

He was a dem Weary until he became a Independent when he ran for president but more importantly he was a conservative and he used the “states rights” argument to as a reason for not segregating schools. The same states right argument conservatives today use to justify persecution of whatever minority group the choose.


Did you learn he was our boy (is there some racism in that term, j2t2?, another Democratic trait?) in the perfect education system you’re defending?

Weary such a twisted line of crap couldn’t you at least try to be truthful every once in a while? First since when does “your boy”, referring to an old white guy, become some type of racism? Second where did I say the education system is perfect? I recall saying people have been dumbed down from the conservative onslaught since integration amongst other things, does that imply “a perfect system” to you?

It seems to me conservatives are using quite a bit of projection here on WB. You twist your racist feelings unto others, in this case me because I said “your boy” whilst referring to Wallace!

Posted by: j2t2 at April 3, 2017 1:01 AM
Comment #414906

And then returned to being a Democratic, j2t2. You will go to no end to deny Democratic history, won’t you? Wallace was as racist as the day is long. The people he courted were as racist as the day is long. They were all Democratics.

Here’s one thing you and Warren Porter could disavow and denounce, j2t2.
Admit to and denounce the Democratic party’s racist history instead of projecting it onto conservatives.

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 3, 2017 9:15 AM
Comment #414909

KAP,

My mistake, I quoted the wrong line. Here’s the correct one:

Never said it doesn’t exist I question to what effect it has and who or what is causing it.

This is semantically the same as WW’s comment. Like him, you are questioning the ‘cause’ of the greenhouse effect. I reiterate my earlier suggestion that you have confused the greenhouse effect with global warming.

WW,

You’re shooting yourself in the foot when you say the polar ice caps totally melted. When did this happen, and what value do ice core samples have if it did happen?

The last time CO2 reached 400 ppm was during the Pliocene. Because the ice melted, thereby destroying records of climate from earlier periods, we do not have ice core samples from that long ago.

If it did happen how much of that was caused by man? None? I’d say none. I think you would agree.
The only “humans” living in the Pliocene were Australopithecus Hominins like the famous Lucy fossil discovered in 1974. Nobody is crediting the high CO2 concentrations or the warmer temperatures to them. The causes are undoubtedly natural. Back then, the world was very different. Most notably, the Central American Seaway meant that ocean currents could carry salty water from the Atlantic to the Pacific. This has substantial impact on the global thermohaline circulation.
If man had nothing to do with the polar ice caps melting what makes you think we’re going to be able to stop it from happening again?
Millions of years in the future, when plate tectonics changes the shapes of ocean basins and the Central American Seaway opens once again, then there will be a time when man is unable to stop the ice caps from melting. However, that has nothing to do with the situation we find ourselves in today. Posted by: Warren Porter at April 3, 2017 9:37 AM
Comment #414910
Admit to and denounce the Democratic party’s racist history instead of projecting it onto conservatives.

George Wallace, Strom Thurmond, Lester Maddox and many other Democrats from before the ’60s were racists and I have no trouble disavowing them. However, these men were conservative Democrats. Their legacy is embedded in the ideology of conservatism to this day.

Posted by: Warren Porter at April 3, 2017 9:41 AM
Comment #414912

Stephen,

“It’s not particularly broken, except where whites broke it by deliberately emptying the tax base of the cities.”

When you have to make excuses to explain away its failure’s, it is broken.
You can blame supposed racism or lack of local funds all you want, but the fact of the matter is that one area fosters a strong sense of learning and success, and the other does not.

Posted by: kctim at April 3, 2017 10:26 AM
Comment #414914
Their legacy is embedded in the ideology of conservatism to this day.

That’s bull, Warren Porter
The Republican party led the way with Civil Rights, abolishing slavery. It’s the Democratic party that holds in high regards the likes of KKK Grand Dragons and Nazi sympathizers.

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 3, 2017 11:01 AM
Comment #414918
Wallace was as racist as the day is long. The people he courted were as racist as the day is long. They were all Democratics.

Whoa Weary Whoa my friend, no one denies this. This is history and we all acknowledge this historical fact. Just as Wallace was a conservative he was a dem.

Admit to and denounce the Democratic party’s racist history instead of projecting it onto conservatives.

Easy Peasy Weary, it is the truth and I do acknowledge an denounce the dems, the conservative wing of the dems that is, and their racist history. At the same time the liberal wing including the Kennedy’s believed in equal rights for all people, I don’t include them in this acknowledgement and denouncing.

Now your turn, instead of lying about the current state of affairs, instead of accusing others of projecting it onto conservatives it is time for you to face some facts and acknowledge same. Many conservatives left the dems and switched to repubs after the civil rights victories of the 60’s . Conservatives were the racist then and are the racist now despite switching political parties. SO Weary step up my friend acknowledge and denounce conservatives of today regardless of party affiliation.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 3, 2017 12:11 PM
Comment #414921
The Republican party led the way with Civil Rights, abolishing slavery.

I said “conservatism” because I referred to conservatism, not the Republican Party.

That’s bull, Warren Porter
Really? Tell me about the conservatives who lead the civil rights movement. Last I checked, conservatives such as Barry Goldwater and John Tower voted against the Civil Rights Act. Sure, liberal Republicans like Hugh Scott, Leverett Saltonstall and Jacob Javits voted for it, but they weren’t conservatives.

Anyway, I’d love to hear your thoughts regarding the warmth of the Pliocene as I discussed in my earlier comment.

Posted by: Warren Porter at April 3, 2017 12:55 PM
Comment #414925

Royal Flush-
Virulent. I guess you have to trash any disagreement. It’s what counts for argumentation on the right these days. Meanwhile, what are the actual points of all these cuts? Where’s the study that might tell us whether they’ll improve or degrade our situation.

Did your people bother, or has the GOP just simply decided, in its overwhelming arrogance, that it doesn’t need to be able to defend its decisions based on evidence?

The Framers, who developed a great superstructure for our nation, were men who preferred deliberation and evidence-based decision making, reason, to seat-of-the-pants governance.

Y’all, you’ve devolved into the kind of parties and partisan attitudes that the Framers despised. This nation doesn’t belong to you alone, and you alone are not unique in deserving input, freedom to think and speak, about how this country is going to be run. You want to manacle us to your parody of your intepretation of what people 200 years before your time believed.

See, the thing is, they gave us the freedom to govern ourselves, for the most part. They weren’t so arrogant as to believe they had found the perfect formula, or that it could even be found. Our freedom is adaptable. The Republicans and Conservatives’ insistence on their dogmas is not, at least not in a healthy, self-aware way.

We tried things your way, relying more on consumer debt, less on earned wages. We tried things your way, allowing more and more speculation, basing less and less growth on the prosperity of the average consumer.

We tried letting folks police themselves. Didn’t work out so well. America deserves a different try, a different approach, but you’ve done your jealously possessive best to keep us from re-balancing the nation’s policy. No solutions, but no wish to let anybody else take up the job.

You can talk about virulent hatred, but mainly, that’s what you actually project towards people.

Rich KAPitan-
I can read pretty far past the first grade. As for application of one’s self?

Look, the GOP went through with, “leave no child behind,” and created a system that was essentially geared towards test-taking. Test taking, nothing but test taking, and more test taking. And why?

Deconstruction. So you could take public schools and break them down, take them and instead of fixing the problem, make some of your friends rich by funneling tax dollars their way. Only you needed something that seemed objective in order to pull it off.

There’s only so much good tests and test prep can do. At some point, you’re just turning everything into rote knowledge. Nothing exciting about that for most people.

You don’t want reason, because with reason, people find their own path, and that risks them finding a path you don’t like and that your leaders don’t control. You want dogma. You want everything to be seen as some list of facts and figures, biology, geology, and astronomy safely reduced to stamp-collecting that doesn’t violate your rigid interpretation of ancient scriptures.

You want to talk about freedom, but in reality, you hate it. The only freedom you want is your own, to allow you to be whatever you desire to be. Everybody else is a danger if they don’t agree with you.

See, the thing is, I have more trust in freedom than you do. I don’t dread what happens if some people find their way to Islam. I, in my freedom, found my way to Christianity. I remain a believer. I believe it’s not a religion that threatens us, but people threatened by our sense of liberty, alarmed that our free-thinking might disrupt their imagined utopia, or deny them a path to the power they so crave.

Liberal logic allows me to look past the surface, to avoid simply playing into my enemy’s hands by claiming this is Islam against Christianity. This is civilization against barbarity. That’s what ISIS is: a barbaric twisting of an ancient religion. Liberal learning allowed me to explore many different sides of many different issues, and realize that truth wasn’t us versus them, the West vs. Islam, but those who love and cherish civilization among the West and the World of Islam, and those who barbarically crave power by means of violence, who trash more intellectual pursuits for the purpose of dominating others through force and through unimaginative, fevered insistence on self-indulgent dogmas.

You want to believe that somehow, you know best. Truth is, we all have to check ourselves, monitor our conclusions, rethink them and retest them. The framers didn’t hand us a perfect system which we have to slavishly follow, they handed us a correctable system that would allow us to adjust to the world, and resolve our inevitable mistakes.

I’m sick of just hearing people act like the world isn’t full of unexpected truths, as if they know everything, can’t be told anything.

I’m also, sick, for your information, of hearing about how the Democratic Party was fifty years ago. It’d be like somebody from the 1960s Republican Party getting crap from somebody for Machine politics from the 1910s Yes, it’s a part of our history, and we consciously try and correct for that, consciously made the choices to move on from the party of Dixie we once were. But you just want to wrap everything up in a glossy propaganda container.

It’s time to adopt a more grown up attitude towards politics, and quit acting like you don’t have to earn this sense of superiority you have.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at April 3, 2017 4:36 PM
Comment #414927

J2T2 WRITES; “I know when it comes to technology the youngsters walk circles around us, yet we seem to condemn them for not being proficient with buggy whips.”

The youngsters you admire so much know how to operate the technology but most don’t have a clue how to build or program them and neither do I.

However, take away my calculator and I can still do math in my head. Take away my copy of the Constitution or Bill of Rights and I can still describe both in meaningful terms. Take away my dictionary and i can still beat most “youngsters” in spelling and grammar. Take away a youngsters cellphone and most are science illiterate.

j2t2 seems quite certain that he understands “states rights”, as he is using it as a club against conservatives. Perhaps our Lefty Pal would care to elucidate so we all understand what he means. Is he referring to the Constitutional definition or the Democrat Party definition?

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 3, 2017 5:16 PM
Comment #414934

He brought up slavery, state’s rights, and George Wallace all at once. He wanted everyone to think he won the argument by making them remember the pictures of Wallace standing in front of a school.

He calls everyone who argues with him a racist. That’s what it boils down to with him. Look at the middle column. His comments have no originality. All he’s got is his racism.

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 3, 2017 7:51 PM
Comment #414935

Did the heat kill off the dinosaurs that were living then? Was there a mass extinction? Did it destroy the earth like you say man is going to do if we don’t pay a tax?

What value to your argument would the Pliocene Epoch have? What’s your point?


Posted by: Weary Willie at April 3, 2017 8:09 PM
Comment #414937

WW,

There were no dinosaurs alive during the Pliocene. They died 60 million years earlier.

Was there a mass extinction?
No, because the climate changed at a rate slow enough for species to adapt. That is not the case with the change that has been observed over the past 150 yrs.
Did it destroy the earth like you say man is going to do if we don’t pay a tax?
No, climate change didn’t destroy the Earth in the Pliocene nor will it destroy the Earth today. The Earth is quite resilient to climate change. I’m not worried about saving the Earth, it’s the people I’m worried about.
What value to your argument would the Pliocene Epoch have? What’s your point?
It’s a testament to how sensitive the climate is to changes in carbon dioxide concentration. Posted by: Warren Porter at April 3, 2017 9:37 PM
Comment #414940

If it happened naturally a zillion years ago what makes you think it isn’t happening again naturally and we have nothing to do with it?

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 3, 2017 10:31 PM
Comment #414945
It’s the Democratic party that holds in high regards the likes of KKK Grand Dragons and Nazi sympathizers.

IS this one of your jokes Weary? You need to adjust your meds my friend your comment is a lie. Facts are a terrible thing for you I guess that is why you leave them out of your comments.

He brought up slavery, state’s rights, and George Wallace all at once. He wanted everyone to think he won the argument by making them remember the pictures of Wallace standing in front of a school.

Wow Weary what a shameful and embarrassing situation you find yourself in. No wonder you lash out with this anger and hateful response to my previous comment.It seems we indeed did disavow the racism of conservative dems of the past and asked you to do the same to the conservatives racist of today yet instead of manning up you get all whiny a**ed and delusional.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 4, 2017 1:12 AM
Comment #414948

Look up grand dragon and democrat and you’ll find Robert Byrd (D).

Look up Nazi sympathizers and you get names like Kennedy and Rockefeller.

You calling me names isn’t going to change that.

So, what do you think of the Pliocene Epoch, j2t2?

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 4, 2017 4:25 AM
Comment #414951

I didn’t call you names, WW. I just said that historically, racists in the United States have always been politically conservative. Whether they are conservative Democrats like Byrd or conservative Republicans like Strom Thurmond, they are still conservatives.

Actually, when I look up Nazi sympathizers, I also see names like Prescott Bush, Henry Ford and Charles Lindbergh. And it seems that conservatives like Charles Lindbergh were more invested in their pro-Nazi stance. Your attempt to pin this on the left is pathetic.

Regarding the Pilocene, do you now recognize how costly it will be for humanity to let CO2 concentrations rise further? There is not an instance in the last 100 million years when CO2 levels ever got this high without raising sea level substantially.

Posted by: Warren Porter at April 4, 2017 8:42 AM
Comment #414960
Look up grand dragon and democrat and you’ll find Robert Byrd (D).

Wow Weary are you suggesting it is you the American people want? We have been over this and once again, conservative Dems. You throw up a name as if it nullifies all the conservatives you could name. Quit with the nonsense and step up to the plate. It is time for you to disavow conservative racist just like I did with the dems. You keep stalling and deflecting, but you know your bluff has been called, admit to and disavow the conservative/racism link of today.

Look up Nazi sympathizers and you get names like Kennedy and Rockefeller.

It seems stupid knows no bounds Weary. Your hey look I found another conservative dem line is weak and well history, come back to the present and admit to and disavow Weary, be a man admit to mistakes and let the truth shine in.

http://www.conservapedia.com/Joseph_P._Kennedy,_Sr.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 4, 2017 1:22 PM
Comment #414961
So, what do you think of the Pliocene Epoch, j2t2?

I usually don’t venture an opinion on MMGW Weary. I just don’t know enough and I wish this time that conservatives were right despite all the evidence to the contrary. I would like to see all the scientist proven wrong. I just don’t think it will be the case though. I also think that converting to clean energy is just plain smart although bad for those with shares in the military industrial complex and those thinking war is the answer to all our problems, war and lower taxes I mean.

What I do know is when you leave your car in the garage with the doors shut and the engine running and you sit in the car it is called suicide.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 4, 2017 1:29 PM
Comment #414963

“The conservative/racism link of today” is nothing more than fear mongering used to silence those who disagree with leftist policy.

Posted by: kctim at April 4, 2017 2:20 PM
Comment #414964

Oh wise ones; please tell us from your high place of infinite knowledge and compassion, is it possible for a Liberal/Socialist to be a racist?

Posted by: Royal Flush at April 4, 2017 2:24 PM
Comment #414968

Wikipedia says CO2 levels were the same as they were today, but the sea level was much higher. It also says temps were much higher. That’s a conundrum for ecofacists. How can CO2 levels be the same now as then without the ice caps melting now, as they did then?

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 4, 2017 3:05 PM
Comment #414972
“The conservative/racism link of today” is nothing more than fear mongering used to silence those who disagree with leftist policy.

“When a myth is shared by large numbers of people, it becomes a reality.”
~Lawrence Blair

is it possible for a Liberal/Socialist to be a racist?

But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
Matthew 19:26

Posted by: j2t2 at April 4, 2017 4:06 PM
Comment #414988

So it could be possible man has nothing to do with climate change, yes?

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 4, 2017 8:44 PM
Comment #414991

So Weary you seem to be unable to admit you could be wrong, a trait you and your fellow conservatives project onto others often. In this case you include the rest of us collectively as “man” as you seek to avoid taking responsibility for your actions.

Previously you refused to admit and disavow racist on your side of the political aisle as you asked us to do. We did just that and you have projected, deflected and diverted as you refused to admit the shortcomings of your team. This is from just one thread my friend. This shameful arrogance typical of conservatives has shown your true colors. Is it just me or is it a bit of irony that it is under the thread titled “America wants stupid people”.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 4, 2017 10:10 PM
Comment #414993

Typical Democratic. You accuse me of supporting racism and when I ignore you, it suddenly becomes confirmation. You do it all by yourselves. It must be great to have your life’s experiences all in your head.


So why haven’t the ice caps melted already?

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 4, 2017 10:50 PM
Comment #415029

Typical Democratic. Walk out of the room instead of answering the question.

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 5, 2017 9:48 PM
Comment #415047

Weary the only question that hasn’t been answered is why you refuse to admit and disavow the conservatives racist behavior.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 6, 2017 11:41 AM
Comment #415101

Because Warren Porter wanted to expand my thoughts on the Pliocene Epoch. I’ve done that and evidently there is no response to why the ice caps haven’t melted yet. There was just as much CO2 in the atmosphere then as there is now. Why aren’t the ice caps gone!?

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 7, 2017 10:25 AM
Comment #415102

To answer your question, j2t2.

I’m not a big fan of self-flagellation. I’m not going to whip myself with guilt just to make you happy.

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 7, 2017 10:27 AM
Comment #415105

Excuses are like a**holes Weary, everyone has one. The self-flagellation excuse is fine I guess except it wasn’t about you. Unless of course you are a conservative racist.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 7, 2017 11:50 AM
Comment #415126

You don’t know why the ice caps are still around?

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 7, 2017 5:43 PM
Comment #415137

It’s more like you guys want stupid people. You ask me to discuss your point of view and when I ask a question you can’t answer you get huffy and leave.

I guess I should put this debate victory squarely in my column.

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 7, 2017 11:05 PM
Comment #415139

Sounding weak Weary, with the false allegations and such. Your abrupt turn to climate science is BS as far as I’m concerned. But hey kudos for the whole denial thing with this comment ” You ask me to discuss your point of view and when I ask a question you can’t answer you get huffy and leave.” because it has nothing to do with what we were discussing. But pray tell enlighten me Weary what does climate science have to do with admit and disavow conservative racism?

Posted by: j2t2 at April 8, 2017 2:16 AM
Comment #415144

Warren Porter asked me about the Pliocene era. You interjected with calling me a racist. It is you who are changing the subject. Probably because you can’t explain why the ice caps are still here while CO2 levels are the same as during the Pliocene era with no ice caps at all.

I consider your charge of racism a distraction from what Warren Porter asked me. If you want to defend your global warming theories, do it with facts, not the tired charges of racism.

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 8, 2017 12:48 PM
Comment #415185

Perhaps it was the other Weary that responded to my comment with this comment “I wonder how j2t2 can involve himself in a conversation about education when he calls George Wallace “your boy”. George Wallace was a Democratic, j2t2. Did you learn he was our boy (is there some racism in that term,” Which I think was the first mention of racism, not that you have been called one as you imply.

But with all this spin from you, as you continue to refuse to admit and disavow the conservative racist of today, I find the false accusations to be the most mind numbing of the bunch. Twisting things into a “poor Weary” sob story is so typical of the irrational minded conservative. Wouldn’t it just be easier to man up and admit and disavow?

Posted by: j2t2 at April 9, 2017 7:07 PM
Comment #415187

Why did you evoke the name of George Wallace, j2t2? What motive did you have to bring up a guy who stood in the way of school integration? What was your point? Did they not have integrated schools in the Pliocene Epoch?

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 9, 2017 7:35 PM
Comment #415190
Easy Peasy Weary, it is the truth and I do acknowledge an denounce the dems, the conservative wing of the dems that is, and their racist history.

Pardon my emphasis, but I had to point this out.

What you’ve done there was project the Democratic Party’s racist behavior of the past onto the conservatives of today. By the way, these conservatives are defined by the left.

Why should we believe your accusations when the biggest and most powerful Progressive in our nation’s history was a racist. Woodrow Wilson segregated the military into black and white units. He created an environment that allowed the federal government to ignore the constitution by calling it a “living” document. The federal government’s influence on the individual has resulted in an unsustainable dependence on the federal government for simple basic needs.

And now, you think you can just take all that history, project it onto your political opponents, and claim you’re protecting us from conservatives?

You’re protecting us from your party’s guilt, j2t2, not from conservatives.

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 9, 2017 8:56 PM
Comment #415207

Wow Weary such an extreme level of denial and finger pointing. No look back a hundred years and you will see it isn’t us!!! Why should you believe me when a progressive from 100 years ago was racist? Because that was then and this is now. Which is what we are talking about when we ask that you reciprocate “admit and disavow” of the conservative racist of today. The conservatives have for the most part abandoned the Dems but not the racism they took with them to the repub party.

BTW you left out the Eisenhower card and the vote on the ‘64 voting rights act in your sorry attempt to deny the reality of todays conservatives.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 10, 2017 3:46 AM
Comment #415210

This Eisenhower?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/12/opinion/12nichols.html

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 10, 2017 9:09 AM
Comment #415211

Notice we’re not talking about the Pliocene era any longer? Typical Democratic ploy. If you get put in a corner, change the subject.

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 10, 2017 9:10 AM
Comment #415221

Yep Weary that Eisenhower.

Notice we’re not talking about the Pliocene era any longer? Typical Democratic ploy. If you get put in a corner, change the subject.

Weary we never were talking about the Pliocene era. That was you and Warren. You responded to my comment as I noted above, that had nothing to do with the Pliocene era. You are projecting so much you are bordering on delusional. Is this a result of not admitting and disavowing the conservative racist in todays America?

Posted by: j2t2 at April 10, 2017 12:32 PM
Comment #415230

Why should I? You’ll only use it as a bludgeon in any debate in the future. Why don’t you identify and condemn the racists in your party?

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 10, 2017 5:29 PM
Comment #415243
Why should I?

Because it make any future discussion more rational, based upon fact not denial. It makes you a better person Weary.

You’ll only use it as a bludgeon in any debate in the future.

And I will use it…how? The only way it can be used is when you refuse to acknowledge the reality of the situation. By admitting and disavowing you are only stating the obvious Weary. Denial is the nail not truth. How can you use my admission and disavowal from the comments above against me?


Why don’t you identify and condemn the racists in your party?

I am an independent Weary. I don’t like political parties only pieces and parts of their platform, sometimes, and the person actually running for office, on occasion.

But once again for the record IMHO all of us are racist to one degree or another, no matter what the color of the skin is. Some are very overt and wear their extreme racism proudly others try harder to not be racist. Conservatives in general seem to tend towards trying to hide their overt racism, their institutional racism, instead of dealing with it rationally. Using “reverse racism” and such to justify their bigoted positions keeps the country from being the land of the free and the home of the brave, with liberty and justice for all. A goal we strive for….right?

We as a nation have gotten better over time but we still have a ways to go as far as institutional racism is concerned.

It doesn’t help, IMHO, when one tries to hide the facts Weary.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 11, 2017 11:16 AM
Comment #415254

It was you who brought up racism, j2t2. Where would your argument be if you didn’t interject racism into the conversation.

If anything, you’re the racist for constantly bring it up as an excuse to ignore the failings of your politics.

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 11, 2017 7:55 PM
Comment #415263
It was you who brought up racism, j2t2.

No I brought up states rights and the man who injected it back into the political consciousness during the ‘60’s. I didn’t mention anything about racism. To be precise this is what I said-

“IMHO you should be, on the one hand, proud of the fact kids have been dumbed down over the years. After all Conservatives have led the way to this dumbing down with their relentless attacks on unionized teachers and “godless schools”. You guys have deliberately sought to make the worst public schools system possible immediately after your boy George Wallace started shouting “states rights” when the feds started segregating schools down south.”

Where would your argument be if you didn’t interject racism into the conversation.

I imagine you would be twisting and turning it regardless of what was said an by whom. Just like you are doing now.

If anything, you’re the racist for constantly bring it up as an excuse to ignore the failings of your politics.

And here is your response to my comment Weary-

“I wonder how j2t2 can involve himself in a conversation about education when he calls George Wallace “your boy”. George Wallace was a Democratic, j2t2. Did you learn he was our boy (is there some racism in that term, j2t2?, another Democratic trait?) in the perfect education system you’re defending?”

Which was the first time in this thread I saw racism mentioned. Nothing about the Pliocene Era in either of these comments that I can see. You mentioned racism not me. So when do you admit and disavow conservative racism Weary?

Posted by: j2t2 at April 12, 2017 12:21 AM
Comment #415270

Again, why did you bring up George Wallace and states rights and school segregation in response to Rich KAPitan’s comment?

He said nothing about segregation, you did! The core of segregation was race. Without race there would be no segregation and you brought it up.

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 12, 2017 9:20 AM
Comment #415277

Grasping at straws Weary! So in your mind if I bring up the conservative battle cry of “states rights” with George Wallace’s use of it to protest desegregation of schools as an example, in a conversation about education, I am saying something about racism! The issue was education not racism. You brought up racism and used Wallace as some idiotic type of proof that it was the Dems of today that harbored racist, not me. I mean your rebuttal seems to be saying if someone mentions race it has to do with racism.

How could we ever have a discussion, using your logic, about an Olympic race if the first words from you is racist? I know I know it is silly if we are talking a foot race or something but it is just as silly when talking education to have you start shouting racism because Wallace was mentioned.

It was you Weary who used the word racism while blaming others not me. Seems to me you are rather touchy about this issue as you still deny conservative racism in the near past and present. Is this the sign of someone who is swimming in denial over the racism of others with the same political views as himself? SO once again Weary, is it time for you to admit and disavow conservative racist and racism?

Posted by: j2t2 at April 12, 2017 11:31 AM
Comment #415289

Why do you have to qualify it with conservatism? Why do you call it conservative racism? I have yet to hear you denounce liberal racism, so why should I give you the satisfaction?

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 12, 2017 5:39 PM
Comment #415294
Why do you have to qualify it with conservatism? Why do you call it conservative racism?

For, I assume, the same reason you asked me to admit and disavow dems and progressives earlier in this thread. Because just like you wanting me to admit and disavow those you associate me with I ask for the same courtesy from you. I associate you with conservatives Weary. You can understand that I am not asking you to lie or cut off your nose or anything other than to come to terms with the truth.


I have yet to hear you denounce liberal racism, so why should I give you the satisfaction?

I did denounce the people you asked me to, asking and expecting you to be decent enough to do the same with conservatives of today, Yet you have dinked around with so much off the wall denial and misdirection and such that I question your integrity Weary. It is your turn to denounce my friend.

Ya know Weary I often use around 15 friends, acquaintances and relatives that are somewhat conservative to rabid conservatives to judge conservatives in general. Out of this group I would say 11 are out and out old school racist in that they would tell me Obama is a ni**er. Three aren’t racist in any overt way and 1 is a good example of a non racist as you would see in his age group.

Certainly you can see close to the same results in your circle of friends and relatives. In the public sector there are many examples of conservatives that are overt racist. Denial won’t make that go away. It is a truth. Why not cop to it?

Posted by: j2t2 at April 13, 2017 1:56 AM
Comment #415297

I don’t see racism in a majority of my friends. Maybe that’s the difference between you and me. You see racists, I don’t.
That says something.

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 13, 2017 8:49 AM
Comment #415303

You sure can spot it when you think it is a Dem being racist,Weary. It’s kinda tough to believe you on this one my friend after so much denial in this thread any integrity you may have had is gone. Seems to me you choose to ignore the truth and facts so you think you are winning. Good job though Joseph would be proud.

“If you tell the same lie enough times, people will believe it; and the bigger the lie, the better.”

Joseph Goebbels

It’s sad we ended up here Weary. You are contributing to the problem, making political discourse dishonest yet fooling no one, except yourself. Of course I am not surprised as this is but one of many issues conservatives use lies and denial. Zeig Heil my friend Conservatism uber alles.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 13, 2017 11:34 AM
Comment #415306

Sorry to disappoint you, j2t2. I wish I could please you, but I don’t see racists behind every tree. Of course, I do see them on the news. They’re always being thrust into my face on the news. We need racists, j2t2! Without them leftists wouldn’t have anything to attack people with.

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 13, 2017 7:26 PM
Comment #415307

Weary, spoken like one of them people America wants. Denial and defending the movement at all cost. Truth isn’t relevant as long as a lie will serve to protect your cause. Willing to give up your integrity to “win”. What exactly is the difference between you and the conservative movement and a Hitler or Pol Pot that does the same thing to his people.

The sad thing Weary is this foolish response doesn’t help you. Your denial of the truth along with your willingness to lie to cover the truth, to deflect by trying to claim it is liberals that is at fault is so patently obvious that it just makes you look stupid.

Posted by: j2t2 at April 14, 2017 12:58 AM
Comment #415320

It’s your story, you can tell it.

Posted by: Weary Willie at April 14, 2017 8:31 AM
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