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Will The Russian Hacking Scandal Ever Cease?

Months and months ago on this blog I’d predicted the 2016 presidential election would be a ‘hacking election’ with hackers disrupting the process. Many laughed at me but I was proven right.

I know I sound like one of those mad scientists from the B movies, but everyone blew it off save for a few diligent news reporters and services. Right away the Obama Administration didn't want to validate me or anyone else who predicted this and then it all began to snowball into proportions of overwhelm. Even then there was denial. Finger pointing still didn't nail the true culprits as many didn't believe the Russians under Vladimir Putin had nothing to do with the hacking. People still felt it was the work of some pranksters, but Democratic presidential nominee at the time, Hillary Clinton isn't laughing, nor are her supporters.

As the evidence continues to grow, the present data says the hacking didn't affect the election at all. Trump won the electorates and Clinton won the popular vote. One might argue that an audit of all the voting activity done so far be reviewed in greater detail thus clearing up any suspicious yet detrimental injury.

Trump, to his credit, Didn't believe the official report and that sent things into a tailspin. He let the powers that be know that he's no knee-jerk, irresponsible chap who will swallow the first explanation that comes along. That scared the hell out of the establishment and put everyone on their toes.

It can't be emphasized enough the magnitude of what Trump did when he bucked the system. We've seen how presidents have jumped the gun and even started wars based on false information. Trump doesn't take things on face value. He investigates and that is what the military/industrial complex does not want. They want a flunky so they can initiate wars and get paid. Trump didn't fall for it and that scares the bad guys to death.

The finger pointing went everywhere and that's when it revealed who the only country that didn't get accused: Israel. People forget that Russia has tons of Jews and Muslims. Israel has been mega-busted before spying on the US on a massive scale. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/motherofallscandals.php#axzz4WKJ30VTF

That being said, this hacking scandal isn't over by a long sight.

Posted by GregB at January 24, 2017 12:48 PM
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Comment #412551

It is difficult to understand the thinking at the top of the Democrat Party. They continue to lose elections at the local, state and national level but learn nothing. Their hatred is now red hot.

Some of the nasty “isms” that the Left hurls at the Right are on display by the DNC.

DNC Chair Candidates Bash White People in Racially-Charged Forum

Democrats must provide “training” that focuses in part on teaching Americans “how to be sensitive and how to shut their mouths if they are white,” urged the executive director of Idaho’s Democratic Party, Sally Boynton Brown, who is white.

The event’s moderator, MSNBC’s Joy Ann Reid, asked the candidates how the party should handle the Black Lives Now movement.

The candidates “uniformly” emphasized that the party must embrace the activists “unreservedly”. Another candidate said black Americans are now living with “justified fear” of being killed after Donald Trump was elected president.”

https://news.grabien.com/story-dnc-chair-candidates-bash-white-people-racially-charged-foru

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 24, 2017 2:38 PM
Comment #412572

Greg were you swayed by the dis-information campaign? I know I voted for Clinton in both the primary and the general despite the Wikileaks and FBI probes. For me that stuff was pretty much baked in and was always represented in her high negative numbers. It would be interesting to hear from people who were swayed.

Seems to me the big shift from the prior election was in the Rust Belt and that had to do more with Trump’s economic populism message. What I’d be more concerned about is how he “triangulated” a traditionally Democratic message of fighting for the middle class. That’s especially troubling given that Trump is a very rich NY real estate developer with a taste for gold in his showers.

Posted by: George in SC at January 25, 2017 8:34 AM
Comment #412582

When was the last time the U.S. population did something because a foreign government told them to?

If the U.S. government tells the population to do something they do it, but when a foreign nation tells us to do something we blow it off.

What swayed this election was what was revealed by the hack, not by who did the hacking. They did us a favor.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 25, 2017 8:51 PM
Comment #412590

The American population will not do what Putin wants. He wants to weaken the western military and economic alliances in order to get out from under the crippling Obama administration sanctions. He wants renew Russian expansionism in the Ukraine. He wants to weaken US democracy. In order to do this- to defeat Hillary Clinton and promote Donald Trump- the Russians needed to do a hack and leak through a cut out, another party. They succeeded in influencing the election. The Wikileaks information did not necessarily cause substantive harm, but it contributed to the false narrative that there was something sinister going on with HRC’s e-mails. It absorbed bandwidth and crowded out coverage of issues. Combined with the acts of FBI Director Comey, it was enough to turn the election.

You, Wearie Willie, refused to believe our own intelligence agencies in October. You chose to believe Trump and Putin over your fellow Americans, including many in intelligence who swore an oath to the Constitution, and put their life on the line.

And now you claim that Trump and Putin “did us a favor”?

Have you no shame? Have you no loyalty? It sure isn’t loyalty to the United States or democracy.

Maybe you are one of those Russian bots that propagate propaganda. Probably not. A bot would do a better job of being disloyal.

Posted by: phx8 at January 26, 2017 1:23 PM
Comment #412593

I believe phx8 was among the harsh voices who insisted that all the investigations into malfeasance, and worse, by top Democrat politicians were all for show since not a single person was charged with anything.

Is phx8 charging President Trump, or his campaign, with anything?

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 26, 2017 2:18 PM
Comment #412595

If Putin really did influence any election does phx8 really think Obama would have had 2 terms?

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 26, 2017 2:51 PM
Comment #412596

RF,
What it amounted to was this: Obama faced an opposition party that tried to make something out of nothing. Trump faces his own people trying to make nothing out of something.

KAP,
Yes, Obama won two terms by very large margins. The Russians were no fans of his in 2012, however, his opponent was Romney. At that time, Putin would not have seen an advantage in promoting either one.

Putin did see a huge advantage in promoting Trump and preventing Hillary Clinton from winning. He was also in desperate straits due to the sanctions. By 2016 the Russian economy had been in the tank for four years. That made Putin bolder and more willing to take the risk. The Russians took that risk in other countries in various forms already- France (Marine La Pen & the National Front), Germany, Austria (Freedom Party), Poland (Law and Justice Party), Estonia, Ukraine, and the Brexit vote through UKIP.

So Putin was far more motivated to take a chance in 2016, he had seen previous success in weakening the EU and its sanctions thanks to the Brexit vote, and he had the man who would do his bidding- Trump.

Posted by: phx8 at January 26, 2017 3:13 PM
Comment #412597

The Left has found a new club to beat Trump with and who can believe it is the…Russians. I can provide many links to the Democrats favoring the Russians when it suited their political aims.

I don’t trust the Russians and I don’t trust the Democrats either. Our president has the same view.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 26, 2017 3:51 PM
Comment #412598

RF,
We work with the Russians when our interests match. This occurred with the Iranian sanctions and then the Iranian nuclear non-proliferation treaty. The Russians are an adversary, but I would argue that they are rational. The North Koreans are the truly scary ones.

Trump refuses to criticize Putin. He compliments him again and again. He and his staff have numerous ties, and Trump has a financial relationship that may be very significant. Trump advocates positions and makes statements that would weaken the US and its military and economic alliances. He says “NATO is obsolete.” He suggests the US may not honor its NATO treaty obligations. He favors Brexit, which undermines the EU and the world’s second strongest currency, and undermines sanctions against Russia for its actions in Crimea and Ukraine.

Your comment does not surprise me. For years, conservatives have been telling each other that Hillary Clinton and Obama were terrible, that Obama was a weak leader, and so on. It came as quite a shock when that narrative turned out to be completely false. It turns out the Russians actually feared Obama and Hillary. They preferred Trump because his policies would weaken the US and its alliances.

Posted by: phx8 at January 26, 2017 4:10 PM
Comment #412599

phx8 complains; “Trump refuses to criticize Putin.”

Hmmm…let me think a moment. Trump has been president less than a week and your advice is to criticize a world power leader? President Trump is smart, very smart; and won the election by beating out a bunch of politicians who wanted to maintain the status quo of Obama/Clinton/Kerry…criticize but cooperate by doing nothing.

Only a faulty thinker would advocate more strained relations with our adversaries. I look forward to a Trump/Putin summit soon. Much can be accomplished now that we have a president that Putin respects; and perhaps, even fears a little.

Your criticisms of Trump (Nato, Brexit, etc) are simply your position based upon the old, useless, and dangerous practice of going along to get along.

Bragging about our capitulation to the Iranians is shameful. Continuing to allow our allies in NATO to pick our pockets is stupid. I vote with British citizens on Brexit. They no longer could tolerate bureaucratic tyranny from Brussels.

Please tell us phx8, exactly what Russian world ambition was thwarted by “fear of Obama and Hillary”.

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 26, 2017 5:15 PM
Comment #412600

Russians Feared Obama and Hillary,phx8? LOLOLOLOLOLOL You are delusional.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 26, 2017 5:18 PM
Comment #412601

Blah Blah Blah, phx8. You have as much proof of your position as I do mine.

Hillbilly lost this election because she believed, psychologically, that she deserved the presidency. Even the media was calling it a coronation. Keep bleating, phx8, to let everyone know you’re still kickin’.

The American people weren’t influenced by Russia. They were influenced by the Democratics.

Posted by: Weary Willie at January 26, 2017 5:35 PM
Comment #412603

“Only a faulty thinker would advocate more strained relations with our adversaries.”

Yeah. Sure. So let’s strain our relations with our friends instead, starting with Mexico.

Posted by: phx8 at January 26, 2017 6:30 PM
Comment #412604

Don’t see U. S. Citizens entering Mexico illegally do you? I don’t think Mexico would be as easy going as we are to them.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at January 26, 2017 6:46 PM
Comment #412605

How about fair and equal relationships with Mexico phx8?

Unlike some countries, we will build a wall to keep folks from coming across our border illegally, some with drugs or harmful intentions; not to imprison our own citizens.

If Mexico wanted to treat us as a friend they would do all they could to curtail their own citizens from illegally crossing our border. Mexico is politically corrupt and unwilling to deal with lawlessness.

We are not the European Union phx8. We have not relinquished control of our borders to un-elected bureaucrats. Failure to control ones own border is a significant step in deteriorating personal and national safety.

Many on the Left desire Globalization which stands in direct opposition to the concept of state sovereignty. Will you explain why that is phx8?

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 26, 2017 6:50 PM
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