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My Condolences to the GOP

The GOP is like a couple who has scrapped up every bit of money and wealth they had to buy their dream home, and despite learning that the pipes were rusted out, the air conditioning was busted, the walls and floors were ravaged by termites, gritted their way through to finally buying that house!

And now, they have to live in it.

I guarantee you:
1) There will be a sex scandal. The man is just not capable of keeping it in his pants.
2) There will be somebody from this administration wearing pinstripes at the end.
3) Americans will die because of his lousy foreign policy.
4) There will be an extraordinarily damaging intelligence leak from the Trump White House.
5) There will be a scandal involving his family.
6) You will finish this terms, if he finishes it at all, with fewer representatives and senators in the GOP caucuses
7) There will still be civil war in the GOP as Trump settles scores, and it will get in the way of the function of this government.

Hell, I think we will find out disturbing things about Trump's campaign, his finances, his party's internal deliberations. Hell, we'll probably find out how many people's he's stiffed, and who he owes money to. Might not be very helpful NOW... but that's what happens when you care more about beating Hillary and sticking it to Obama than actually gauging correctly whether you want to win with this particular candidate.

If I sound bitter, why yes I am! I'll be honest with you. Does it make me weak? I don't think so. Because I know in my heart of hearts I made the right choice, and I won't kicking myself for it later. I've done this a number of times, endured my share of heartaches and setbacks. One of the worst was 2004, and though I regret the hell my family and my country went through over the next four years, I never had occasion to regret that I didn't choose Bush.

I didn't think the GOP voters were this enthusiastic. I guess they've earned their victory. But you know what? They've built their house on sand. They've built everything on a pack of lies, and that has consequences. Lie number one? That it won't matter how inexperienced he is. Do know what a figurehead is? That's your best-case scenario, that he's got somebody leaning over, talking into his ear, telling him how to do this job that has greyed the living hell out of every man who's done the job. The not so best-case scenario is that Trump tries to work things out by trial and error in a job that is punishing on mistakes.

The markets already have made their vote known. Nobody knows what this jackass is going to do, and he's going to learn very quickly, along with all the other members of the GOP, that the last thing that our economy likes is a President or a Congress who don't have their crap together.

And that is what we have now. After years of basically putting it off, of making President Obama do the heavy lifting in keeping this government together, they now have to deal with Donald Trump as the guy with the veto pen, so now they don't have to be afraid of what happens if they push things into Kansas territory... except, what's the matter with Kansas? It's economy, its education system is among the worst in the country, and it's fiscal situation is a big freaking mess.

That's going to be the US, especially if your party starts screwing around with the Debt Ceiling! For years, you've had Obama to get in the way of your worst ideas, so you didn't have to suffer for the utter ineptitude and stupidity of the Tea Party Right. Now, the bill comes due on all kinds of stupidity and red meat. Now the bill comes due on Obamacare, and whatever you're proposing to succeed it!

It's all yours! After a decade of complaining from the sidelines after the last time you guys had all the eggs in your basket of deplorables, you now get to demonstrate just how superior your judgment was on each and every count! And I mean, you get to demonstrate that. No more abstract, no more pure rhetoric, just a world of hurt as your ideas once again have to compete with reality, as you once again get to experience the pleasure of handling the ticking timebombs of policies with no second chances to take back your worst mistakes. Now you get to find out whether, as it's failed twice before, a huge tax cut will actually stimulate the economy, or just deepen the deficit once again. Now you get to get called on it, each and every time you deploy a double standard, each and every time you make something worse.

The worst part will be that Obama, free of the White House, will be able to comment on things, just as Clinton does. And like Clinton, he will be able to bask in the warm afterglow of not having screwed things up as much as the Republican who succeeds him. If Trump doesn't improve on the Affordable Care Act, people will compare him unfavorably to Obama. If he doesn't improve on Obama's disciplined fiscal policy, the way Bush didn't improve on Clinton's disciplined fiscal policy, then he will suffer for that.

If he gets us into another war, then Benghazi will be a pleasant memory by comparison.

I remember in the Clinton era that when Clinton retaliated against Osama Bin Laden for his attack on the East Africa Embassies, the Republicans were quite vocal about what a distraction it all was from the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Then, quite quickly, Osama Bin Laden slapped the GOP with the harsh reality of just how real a threat he was.

Trump and the rest of you think you have everything nice and squared away. You think you have a bead on things. But when your laissez faire economics has people emptying their wallets at a gas tank, or your stunts with the debt ceiling have you courting monstrous financial earthquakes, or when some environmental disaster or natural disaster starts pummeling your political spoils-driven staffing decision, people will notice, and you will very quickly find the people who rushed to bring you in hurrying to take you down.

God has a way of punishing the proudest and the most arrogant. He gives them exactly what they want, and then he shows them why they should have never sought it in the first place. Congratulations on your win, and my condolences. I just hope we can recover from one Trump term, and learn the lessons this time, rather than put them off.

The worst thing you could have imagined was Trump losing. The worst thing you will have to deal with over the next four years, is that Trump won.

Posted by Stephen Daugherty at November 9, 2016 5:23 AM
Comments
Comment #409744

You really should be more magnanimous.

The patriotic thing to do is support the new president, perhaps not in spite of but because you fear that he is not up to the job.

Trump is not really a Republican or a conservative. His was essentially a hostile takeover of the party. You are correct that this election will tear at the Republican party, but perhaps more so the Democrats.

I am an establishment type guy. I would have preferred Hillary to Trump and I really regret that Romney lost in 2012. Maybe we can get some kind of new party, with the Democrats cutting loose the loony Bernies and the Republican leaving the populists. Make a party of good government, one that does not overreach but does its core functions well.

In the meantime, let’s support our new president well, since his success is our success and we will suffer more from his failure than he would.

Posted by: Christine & John at November 9, 2016 8:40 AM
Comment #409745

From 2007-2009, Watchblog was littered with conservative commenters who told us that George W. Bush was not a “real” conservative and that his failures did not reflect upon the larger conservative movement. Now, the GOP has once again sent someone who isn’t a “real” conservative to the White House. If Trump bursts into flames, please spare us the platitude of, “If only we had elected a real conservative…”

Posted by: Warren Porter at November 9, 2016 9:34 AM
Comment #409748

Warren

I wrote about conservative ideas. They do not always correlate with politics. This is true of all ideas, BTW.

We will be giving Trump a chance, just as we did Obama. I can think of some good things already. It depends on who he appoints to run things.

Stephen is always bitter. I never am. You are probably more like me. I see greater or lesser options, but always options

Posted by: Christine & John at November 9, 2016 10:43 AM
Comment #409752

Christine & John-
I’m not sure you realize how much **** that many Democrats and liberals and myself have endured over the last eight years.

Your people have slandered Obama for the last eight years, relentlessly, without regard for facts or even the sanity of your arguments. You expect a honeymoon for Trump? I shall give him the Honeymoon that Republicans gave Obama: absolutely none.

Republican blocked so much of the Obama agenda, just so they could get this bright shining moment, where they just took up where they left off in 2006. But here’s the thing: 2006 is as dead as 1906 is. The Party strangled itself of actual, practical leaders, of good negotiators and effective leaders. What they have are people who do wonderful on litmus tests of their speeches.

Now they must govern. I really do hope they get the challenges at hand, and rise up to them Maybe then, they’ll get their heads out of their clouds, and their asses out of the ivory tower, and they’ll avoid the situation that ended the last arrangment of this kind previously.

I’m not optimistic. For one, even between them, the Senators and Representatives lack social skills. They’ll f*** each other over at the drop of a hat. For another, years of doubling down on their ideologically driven policies have left them with little ability to exercise practical judgment on them. I believe we’ll see the same unfortunate corruption that ended the 2006 Republican majority. I think we’ll see the same hubris, and that Donald Trump’s personal character flaws will express themselves in his decision-making.

I chose Obama in part because I felt his decision-making reflected better judgment, lateral thinking, a greater ability to improvise beyond ideology to get things done on a fundamental level.

Trump? Trump is a child who was never forced to become a man. Your fellow conservatives just handed that immature jackass the nation as his toy. The GOP has debased itself, dropped itself far, far below the heights it reached with Reagan. The only appropriate punishment at this point is to hold him accountable. Oh, and if you’re thinking of delaying that November 28th fraud trial, or any number of other lawsuits, just remember the precedent your people set with Bill Clinton.

The GOP bought the SOB. Now they own him. I personally will make sure any conservative on this site who tries to weasel out of that will get nailed to the wall.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 9, 2016 11:29 AM
Comment #409755

Hey Stephen looks like the pendulum swung. Who’s going to call Obama…remember he said to call him when Trump is elected.

Posted by: andy at November 9, 2016 12:08 PM
Comment #409756

Steven,

I pushed the button for Hillary Clinton yesterday. It was the first time in my life I voted for a Democrat. I could not abide the thought of Trump in the White House. I was scared of the thought. I believed that he would make a horrible President. I still do.

But today I have to hope I’m wrong not be sure that I’m right. Today I have to believe that the Republican Congress will check him not enable him. I have to believe that a conservative Supreme Court will check him not enable him. Today I have to hope that when given the challenge to govern and not campaign that the man I voted against will prove me wrong.

Those are scary things to have to hope for, but I have no choice but to my hope in those institutions. I have no choice but to my hope in this terribly, horrendously flawed man.

Because if the institutions do not live up to their jobs, if he doesn’t live up to the expectations of the office, we are all screwed. As an optimist, I can’t wake up this morning thinking that.

I have to give this President and this Congress and this Court the opportunity to prove me wrong. Give them all a the fairness of listening before I decide that we are all going to the hell that you described.

Posted by: Rob at November 9, 2016 12:32 PM
Comment #409757

By the way, “then Benghazi will be a pleasant memory” is probably one of the more poorly constructed clauses I have read in a very long time.

Posted by: Rob at November 9, 2016 12:34 PM
Comment #409758

C&J,

I will let Trump do as he wishes. It is how the cogs of time turn. Honestly, the guy is such a liar I still don’t have a clue what he will actually do next year. Maybe he’ll wise up and become a decent President.

My point in the earlier comment is that “conservatism” is totally divorced from classical liberalism and has been for quite some time.

Posted by: Warren Porter at November 9, 2016 1:10 PM
Comment #409759

Rob-
I remember Trump talking about hurling machine gun fire at boats if the Iranian naval officers sent a insulting gesture their way. That might precipitate a shooting war with the Iranians. It was sad that four people died in Benghazi, but if you compare debacles like the Iraq war, and the protraction of the Afghanistan war to Benghazi, the difference in blowback is night and day.

As far as hope goes? Trump and the Republicans need more than hope. If they can’t magically solve the Immigration problem, if they can’t magically take care of all the stuff they promised, if he goes back on his word, he may end up turning this wave back on himself and the GOP.

It’s there time to put up or shut up, and the Democrat’s time to be a shadow government, putting together practical alternatives to the wildly unpragmatic and loudmouthed opposition.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 9, 2016 1:18 PM
Comment #409761

Steven,

If four people died in a house fire next door to you, it would pail in comparison to the Battle of the Gettysburg. I understand your point.

But I feel sure that it will never be a “pleasant memory”. Not debating your point, just the very poor structure of the writing.

Posted by: Rob at November 9, 2016 1:29 PM
Comment #409765

Thought experiment.

You open up your door, and there are four people dead in front of the house next to you.

Awful, I concede.

Rewind.

You open up your door, and somehow, without your knowing it, some apocalyptic force has surged through, and you can see hundreds of dead bodies of all kinds, from kids to old folks, all dead in bloody ways.

If you had a memory of those four dead bodies still fresh in mind, I’m sure you’d find that tableau you saw before as being a pleasant memory by comparison.

The use of those words implies relativity, not that it’s a pleasant memory in objective terms.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 9, 2016 2:30 PM
Comment #409770

People will die because of his lousy foreign policy ? Can’t be any worse than the last 8 years. Talk about a foreign policy disaster. Nice of you lecture us on how to properly run a country, when you helped elect the moron in there now. Lmao

Posted by: dbs at November 9, 2016 2:52 PM
Comment #409773

With God’s help, perhaps our nation can begin to heal and our President-elect will become a force for good.

My first inkling of how Trump might lead will be his choice of cabinet members.

At this writing, the DOW is up 295.3 points. Wall Street seems to believe that the nation just might survive. Main Street is celebrating. I am cautiously optimistic.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 9, 2016 3:04 PM
Comment #409776

Stephen

Try to see beyond your own feelings. I was not a Trump supporter. In fact, I would be better described as a Trump opponent. But he will be president. You have the right as an American to oppose him still. Bitterness and anger, however, will do you no good.

The interesting thing is to study how this happened. If you just want to blame someone, you cannot ever understand the system. They call what you do “the fundamental attribution error.”

Re the Democrats coming up with practical alternatives - wasn’t there a Democrat occupying the presidency for the last eight years?

Re your dead guy analogy - you have never seen anybody killed. It is probably a good idea to stay away from using military metaphors as you do.

Warren

Indeed, nobody ever agrees with me.

Posted by: Christine & John at November 9, 2016 3:07 PM
Comment #409790
Indeed, nobody ever agrees with me.

Except Obama, Clinton, etc…

Posted by: Warren Porter at November 9, 2016 6:11 PM
Comment #409791

SD
Such a diatribe of hatred. What you wrote above is pure, unadulterated hate. Of course you being a “Christian” will justify your behavior. Your character needs adjusted. My vote was a write in for the CUBS org. lol

Posted by: tom humes at November 9, 2016 6:21 PM
Comment #409796

1)dbs-
Recall that about five thousand people died because of Bush’s policies, plus additional hundreds during Obama’s drawdown of his wars. Compare that to a few handfuls of casualties.

2)Royal Flush-
In my experience, character doesn’t tend to change in the Presidency. A C-Student out of his depth will remain so in office. A guy like Obama, who was cool, collected, and organized quite effectively to gain the Presidency remained a constant thorn in Republican’s side as they underestimated his ability to exploit the system as it lay.

Trump? I can depend on Trump to lack a filter, which will make him disastrous as a diplomat, to be inept in handling money, which will screw up fiscal stuff, bad at taking advice, which will lead to quite a few cluster****s… I expect him to make his first term as much a fiasco as his campaign was shaping up to be before corruption in the FBI threw it in your direction, without a shred of actual evidence.

You defeated Hillary. Congratulations. Now you’re going to make half your voters wish they could take back their vote.

C&J-
You guys destroyed the constructive alternative, informing us all the while that filibusters were perfectly constitutional. Now you’ve got to construct that alternative, only your people don’t have any real experience dealing with real policy. Real policy doesn’t cooperate the way imagined policy does. Good luck dismantling Obamacare without creating a healthcare crisis. You guys won the war. Now you have to fight to keep what you won, despite making enemies of the rest of the country. I’m not going to pretend to be happy when I’m not. Trump and other parts of the party are good tat things as long as there aren’t solid consequences involved. Once that starts happening, they’ll be running for the door.

tom humes-
Oh, I’ve hurt your feelings. Given how much you’ve spared mine over the years, I should be glad to return your good will in kind.

What I hate is less you or anybody else, but a politics that values appearances, agendas, and ideologies over the realities on the ground. To counter Obama, you’ve essentially yanked people into a paranoid alternate dimension. Only problem is, your policy won’t be affecting and feeding back into that universe, but ours, instead. Ironic outcomes will proliferate, and in the meantime, we’ll get all the persecution complex garbage thrown at us as we try to hold you accountable.

It may work to keep the party faithful in line, but it creates terrible policy results, and it makes it to where conservative and Republican aren’t bothering to account for the real world in their policies. They just assume things will work.

Well, it won’t, not necessarily, and until you grasp the law of unintended consequences, until you humble yourself to where you can revise policy as it has to be revised to suit the real world, then the pain for both you and the rest of us will continue.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 9, 2016 7:23 PM
Comment #409800

Stephen

You used to be an angry young man. Evidently you will become an angry old man.

Posted by: Christine & John at November 9, 2016 7:30 PM
Comment #409801

sd
My feelings don’t get hurt. Another case of you making the wrong analysis. I’m too old to let some Texas shorthorn bother me

Posted by: tom humes at November 9, 2016 7:34 PM
Comment #409802

Stephen, happiness is an “inside” job. I suggest a new mirror.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 9, 2016 7:37 PM
Comment #409832

I am old enough to remember the last time Republicans had both chambers of Congress and the Presidency.

Trump and the Republicans have promised the moon to their supporters. They’ve been so caught up in convincing those people that they would do EVERYTHING better, that they never stopped to consider exactly what it would take to do everything better, other than not doing the policies that evidently Republicans have been conditioned, like Pavlov’s dogs, to believe are failures.

Well, you can indoctrinate people to believe these policies are good, and these policies are bad, and regardless of what political persuasion you’re in, you can get caught up in that conditioning, and forget that all people are fallible, and what sounds good coming from a politician’s mouth doesn’t necessarily work out as well in reality. In the meantime, you’ve put a spotlight on all the things and all the ways you said you were going to be better. Now Obama suffered from this, and so will any President who has promised big things.

But when you have somebody, a whole party who have promised BIG, YUUUUUGE things… well, then. Then it gets especially troublesome. You’ve decided you wanted power that bad, and you’re going to get it, and like H.L. Mencken said, you’re going to get it, good and hard. You’re going to suffer for your arrogance, and unfortunately the rest of us will have to suffer as well.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 10, 2016 9:14 AM
Comment #409838

When was that, Stephen Daugherty. Bush had both the senate and the house for about a year before a socialist sided with Democratics to take the senate. How much damage could they do in less than a year?

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 10, 2016 10:48 AM
Comment #409841

Weary Willie-
The Democratics? No matter how much you torture that word, it remains Democrats. That’s how it works out in English. Aristocrats, not Aristocratics, Technocrats, not Technocratics. Republican works both ways because it’s got different roots. History gives it its distinctive usage and declinations.

Same thing with the dates. Bush had both Senate and House from about 2002 onwards. Even before that, he had the house, and a barely Democratic Senate with plenty of those old moderate and conservative Democrats to give him carte blanche. You say less than a year, but we’re actually talking well over four years, from 2002 to 2006. The Democrats gave him nowhere near the resistance that Republicans gave Obama.

Bush had Congress on his side, as Trump does now. It was a disaster then, and it will be a disaster now, because your people haven’t learned to temper your ambitions with critical thought.

I know you’re going to complain that I want you to just lay down like a doormat and act like liberals, but honestly, I think the distinction that accusation would miss is the one between belief, and manifestation of that belief in practice and policy. There may indeed be a way to reduce regulation, reduce the unnecessary cost and burden of doing that, and achieve the same results people desire: safety, security of their personal wealth, etc.

But that doesn’t happen by magic. If you want to prove Republicans and conservatives are better at govern, you have to do that. You can’t just be critics of Liberals anymore, you have to be good at governing in your own right! If you think you can just criticize what the Democrats left behind, and get away with that… well, you got another thing coming.

Inevitably, campaign rhetoric gets moderated by the demands of real-world governing. Republicans have been doing little else but campaigning for a decade, failing to concern themselves with real policy making. That’s allowed them to spin off into all kinds of fantasylands. Now all that fantasy is going to get brought back down to earth, and you poor folks are going to have to account for the difference.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 10, 2016 11:12 AM
Comment #409881

You’re right. It was the 107th congress that had me confused. However, the Republicans never had the overwhelming majorities the Democratics had often.

I suggest you not be so pessimistic and stay out of the way. If they fail, or it’s business as usual, everyone will simply give control back.

The Democratic party had almost complete control for nearly a century. They’ve overreached and are still trying to take more. The people have finally decided you’ve gone too far.

Posted by: Weary Willie at November 10, 2016 7:49 PM
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