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Trump's Reverse Sex Scandal

We all know how political sex scandal is supposed to progress. First, a woman comes forward with strange allegations. Second, the male politician lies through his teeth and denies any wrongdoing. Third, the truth finally comes out with a dramatic revelation and we learn the politician was lying. Upending traditional political trends, Trump has managed to reverse this, which is quite remarkable.

First, we heard the truth, in the form of a veritable confession to Billy Bush in the back of a bus. Second, we heard a reluctant denial. Now, we get specific accusations.

Both the New York Times and Palm Beach Post have identified and corroborated allegations of sexual assault from multiple women.

Now, Trump and his campaign categorically insist that none of these women is telling the truth. However, the American voter is smart enough to tell a con when he or she sees one. Trump is a two-face liar. He brags the truth about his crimes to Billy Bush when he doesn't realize his microphone is on and lies when confronted with those actions in public. Anyone with half a brain can figure out that the fix is in. After all, Trump has a long reputation of lying in public.

Posted by Warren Porter at October 12, 2016 9:11 PM
Comments
Comment #408569

Weary Willie,

How do you like them crickets?

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 12, 2016 9:48 PM
Comment #408573

Warped, Now you are getting desperate with all the emails coming out. Grooping a women in first class on a plane must have been tons of witnesses. Did the Stewardess’ see this???

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 12, 2016 10:07 PM
Comment #408574

KAP,
You have no idea what you are talking about. If the victim doesn’t make a scene, then there wouldn’t necessarily be any witnesses.

Corroboration:

Ms. Leeds has told the story to at least four people close to her, who also spoke with The New York Times.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 12, 2016 10:18 PM
Comment #408575

Warped, She said she ran to the back of the plane. You are getting desperate especially a story from the NYT. I wonder how much they paid those 2 women, the NYT and Palm Beach newspaper.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 12, 2016 10:26 PM
Comment #408576

Warped, Why don’t you focus on issues instead of mud slinging. It would serve you better. Hillary does enough mud slinging.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 12, 2016 10:33 PM
Comment #408577
KAP, You have no idea what you are talking about. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 12, 2016 10:18 PM

You could repeat that endlessly. Thank you for your efforts to talk sense to nonsense. I’m participating at another site, where people have to make sense or get lost. I don’t have the time for nonsense.

Anita Hill was on the PBS News Hour tonight. It’s available at YT.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 12, 2016 10:40 PM
Comment #408578

That’s what happens when you participate on a site that has all three groups ora, three different views. Some that you may not like.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 12, 2016 10:44 PM
Comment #408579
She said she ran to the back of the plane.

Yeah, people never run to the back of the plane to use the lavatory.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 12, 2016 11:41 PM
Comment #408580

Another cricket chirp for Willie

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 12, 2016 11:47 PM
Comment #408582

How can a serial sex offender claim the mantle of “law & order”?

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 13, 2016 12:22 AM
Comment #408586

Warped, One thing the woman said Trump raised the arm rest on planes 35-40 years ago the arm rest were fixed they didn’t raise. Also what gets me to think this story is fabricated by the MSM on a plane full of people some one is watching this happen and I don’t really think, the way the woman explained, anyone would want people watching while they about raped someone. I know you and your liberal buddies and the MSM do not like Trump, at that matter neither do I, but if your going to make up stories do a better job.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 13, 2016 7:25 AM
Comment #408588

“the arm rest on planes 35-40 years ago the arm rest were fixed they didn’t raise.”

They were not. I used to try to sleep across seats during late night flights decades ago.

Posted by: Rich at October 13, 2016 8:39 AM
Comment #408589

So, these allegations of sexual assault are to be taken as fact, but allegations of Bill Clinton raping women and allegations of Hillary threatening those women, makes those women tramps and should be dismissed?

Hate to tell you this Warren, but I think orag is posting their blind cheerleader nonsense under your name.

Posted by: kctim at October 13, 2016 9:48 AM
Comment #408590

The key difference is that Trump confessed to Billy Bush in 2005 that these allegations were true.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 13, 2016 9:51 AM
Comment #408592

Rich, Your full of crap a google search proves you wrong and I did that before I posted #408586.
Warped, He was feeding Billy a line of BULLS**T like most guys do about their sexual prowness.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 13, 2016 10:08 AM
Comment #408595

No Warren, he did not ‘confess’ to sexually assaulting women. He said that when you are a star, women let you do those things he was talking about.

If you guys are going to demand a conviction in order for Bill and Hillary to be considered guilty, you should afford others the same.

Posted by: kctim at October 13, 2016 10:30 AM
Comment #408596

I am not demanding a conviction in order for Bill and Hillary to be considered guilty.

Also, spare me the BS about “let you”. Everyone with half a brain understands that he was talking about nonconsensual contact from the words, “I don’t even wait”.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 13, 2016 10:34 AM
Comment #408599

No Warren, everyone with half a brain understands that something as serious as sexual assault should not be totally based on allegations that were never pursued and partisan wordplay.

What’s next from you guys? Eye ‘rape’? He sat with his legs spread?

Posted by: kctim at October 13, 2016 11:11 AM
Comment #408601

kctim,

I trust that the American voter is smart enough to decide for themselves. It’s entirely possible for a couple of women to lie in the pursuit of 15 minutes of fame. But, we are almost at a dozen women already. The sheer quantity of allegations enhances their credibility as it was with Cosby.

Some accusers are former beauty pageant contestants. These are people who have already had turns in the spotlight. It really does not make sense for them to be lying. Additionally, there is a conversation between Donald Trump and Howard Stern corroborating the allegation that he routinely entered women’s rooms without their permission in order to gawk at them in various states of undress.

DJT and the Republican party brought all of this on themselves with their foolish pursuit of jailing Hillary Clinton. If they had used the email issue to attack her competence rather than her integrity it would not have come to this. Remember, the reason why the sex scandal is so potent is that it completely undermines DJT’s “Law & Order” bullshit. After all, how can we trust a serial criminal offender to uphold law & order?

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 13, 2016 11:29 AM
Comment #408602

I guess you didn’t listen to her in the video. Not only was this not important enough to say something at the time, she also admitted she didn’t mind if he stayed at the top. I would have cut and pasted the quote if the author of the article would have put that in his text. I wonder why he didn’t.

This even beats Bill Cosby’s accusers waiting 20 years! This woman waited 35 years!

Also, wouldn’t the stewardess questioned why she returned to her coach seat? She went to get her. She was happy to get upgraded. She ate the meal. Then she suddenly returns to her seat in coach?

Either the stewardess didn’t care about her guests, or the whole thing is being blown out of context.

Let me go to the video and get the actual quote:

If he’d have stuck with (inaudible) the upper part of the body, I might not have gotten, I might not have gotten that upset.

I know you don’t hit on women out of fear, Warren Porter, but that is called “2nd base”. She might not have gotten that upset. I know many women who stop before “3rd base” and it’s not because they feel they’re getting raped.

Bill Cosby put it great in his “Adam and Eve” routine.

EVE: Cm’ere, cm’ere, cm’ere! NO! Getaway, getaway, No cm’ere, cm’ere, Here, eat this mud pie!

That’s what women do.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 13, 2016 11:32 AM
Comment #408603

Glad to see some republican/right wingers owning their support of Mr. Trump, owning his mysogeny,racism and islamaphobia. This along with the candidates own display of the same. Bill Clinton is not running for President and Mrs. Clinton is not running on his s*xual encounters but some would like to make it seem so, pathetic display of pettiness. I suppose she could defended the women her husband committed his transgressions with but she instead stood by him and picked up the pieces of their relationship and attempted to move on for the sake of her family, I respect her effort.

Trump will need all of those lawyers with the avalanche of lawsuits coming his way now that he admitted he has considered assaulting women without consent.

Posted by: Speak4all at October 13, 2016 11:50 AM
Comment #408604

Warren,

While their timing and the lack of initial action is suspect, I did not say that I believe whether these women are lying or not.
I said they are allegations and a person should have the integrity to treat them as they treat other allegations.

Posted by: kctim at October 13, 2016 12:09 PM
Comment #408606
Also, wouldn’t the stewardess questioned why she returned to her coach seat? She went to get her. She was happy to get upgraded. She ate the meal. Then she suddenly returns to her seat in coach?

Why on Earth would a flight attendant go chasing after a passenger like that? Passengers do all sorts of strange things on flights. All the attendants I’ve ever seen try their best to ignore things unless someone is making a scene or a passenger’s safety is jeopardized. Personally, if I was a Flight Attendant, I’d assume that Jessica Leeds only accepted the upgrade to get the meal and had always planned to return to her coach seat. Or maybe the flight attendant was nosy and did ask only for Ms. Leeds to respond with a discreet excuse. Society puts women under a lot of pressure to avoid accusing people of sexual assault.

I know you don’t hit on women out of fear, Warren Porter, but that is called “2nd base”. She might not have gotten that upset. I know many women who stop before “3rd base” and it’s not because they feel they’re getting raped.

Firstly, this philosophy is profoundly misogynist. Establishing a relationship with a woman is not a baseball game. In any case, you are profoundly ignorant of the law regarding consent. If Jessica Leeds consented to having her breasts fondled, that does not give Trump permission to reach under her skirt and grab her genitals.

While their timing and the lack of initial action is suspect, I did not say that I believe whether these women are lying or not. I said they are allegations and a person should have the integrity to treat them as they treat other allegations.

Before the release last week of Trump’s confession to Billy Bush, these allegations would not have much credibility. That is the explanation for the timing because now people are actually willing to listen to these women. Now, if Trump gets the Starr treatment and emerges unscathed with these women signing affidavits recanting the accusations, then you can push the equivalency argument vis-à-vis Juanita Broaddick. However, until then, I will assume the allegations from Jessica Leeds and other women are truthful while Broaddick’s allegations are false.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 13, 2016 1:03 PM
Comment #408607
“the arm rest on planes 35-40 years ago the arm rest were fixed they didn’t raise.”

They were not. I used to try to sleep across seats during late night flights decades ago.

Posted by: Rich at October 13, 2016 8:39 AM

Photographic proof.

KAP, when are you going to begin thinking for yourself instead of parroting what conservative media tells you?

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 13, 2016 1:20 PM
Comment #408608

You should proof read what you write. How can your logic pass the smell test, Warren Porter?

If Jessica Leeds consented to having her breasts fondled,..

If she consented there is no crime!

… that does not give Trump permission to reach under her skirt and grab her genitals.

How do you know he didn’t stop when she told him to? The situation seems to be he did! She said she went back to her seat in coach. She didn’t say he held her down and made her join the mile-high club.


Posted by: Weary Willie at October 13, 2016 1:35 PM
Comment #408609

What about all the illegal immigrants getting arrested and convicted of raping people, Warren Porter? Don’t you give a damn about them? It seems you don’t care about real rape victims, only the ones who say naughty words. Your only concern is the one person who is running against your female.

Why is that, Warren Porter? If it wasn’t for Trump we wouldn’t be having a discussion about illegal immigration and corruption in our government.

Do you support illegal immigration and corruption in our government, Warren Porter?

It’s obvious you choose to have innocent victims of rape being swept under the rug and corruption taking a back seat to the freedom of speech and the first amendment.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 13, 2016 1:40 PM
Comment #408610
How do you know he didn’t stop when she told him to? The situation seems to be he did! She said she went back to her seat in coach. She didn’t say he held her down and made her join the mile-high club.

The allegation is that Trump put his hand up her skirt and touched her genitals without her permission. This is sexual assault. Period.

Trump’s only shot at innocence is if Jessica Leeds is lying. However, she confided this story with close friends and relatives a long time ago, which the Times has corroborated. The hypothesis that she has been playing a long con does not pass the sniff test.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 13, 2016 1:42 PM
Comment #408611

She admitted she allowed Trump to touch her breasts. If she didn’t consent to having genitals fondled it was after the fact she allowed the initial contact. She’s admitted being a tease at the least.

If a guy is allowed to get to second base, his manhood will expect him to steal third. Without that the human race would go extinct. Calling anyone you disagree with names won’t change that.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 13, 2016 1:48 PM
Comment #408612

In other words, Warren, you are going to assume guilt before any unbiased investigation actually proves guilt.

I guess on the bright side of things, using R and D to determine guilt or innocence means you will only be wrong half the time.

Posted by: kctim at October 13, 2016 1:49 PM
Comment #408613
If a guy is allowed to get to second base, his manhood will expect him to steal third. Without that the human race would go extinct. Calling anyone you disagree with names won’t change that.

And his brain ought to be smart enough to suppress those instincts. To suggest otherwise, is to deny women their very humanity.

Remember, we don’t even know if she actually consented to fondling her breast. All she has said is that she would not be as upset if he had stopped with that.

you are going to assume guilt before any unbiased investigation actually proves guilt.
The court of public opinion follows different rules than a court of law. If Trump were jailed tomorrow on these chargers, I would object as strongly as you. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 13, 2016 2:00 PM
Comment #408614

The apoplectic diplay by some commenters here would be funny if they were’nt in defense of someone who has already admitted to talking about sexual assault. Now that there is corroboration by victims it only confirms what many have suspected all along. Truly disgusting!

Posted by: Speak4all at October 13, 2016 2:01 PM
Comment #408615

And let me remind you, these are the circumstances under which Trump would be innocent:

1. All the women who have come forward would have to be liars.

2. Trump’s private conversation with Billy Bush would have to be a lie.

3. Trump would have had to lie on Howard Stern.

4. After lying to both Bush and Stern, Trump tells the public the truth at the very moment when his very survival as a politician is at stake.

While the above circumstances are not impossible, I dismiss this possibility because it violates Occam’s razor, not because he is a Republican.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 13, 2016 2:04 PM
Comment #408616

Warped, Did the article say which carrier they were on. Were they on a commuter plane or were they on an international flight? Were they on a 727, 707, 737, 747, DC 9, DC 10, L1011. Planes used for short flights do not have the luxury you showed and do have 1st and coach. IMO the picture you produced was a plane used for international or trans continental flights. All the planes I’ve ever flown on didn’t have that luxury and they included the DC 6, 707, 727, 737, DC 9 and 10 also the last time I flew was March of 1979. The next question, Why would Trump use a commercial carrier when he has a fleet of planes at his disposal?

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 13, 2016 2:26 PM
Comment #408617

Warped, By the way try getting another link that doesn’t have a guy who is going to join CNN.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 13, 2016 2:31 PM
Comment #408618

If Trump were jailed tomorrow on these chargers, I would object as strongly as you.

Is that why you’re going with slander, Warren Porter?

Suppression of instincts. A feminist’s fantasy. Perhaps you could use some male bonding, Warren Porter. Were you raised by two women?

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 13, 2016 2:34 PM
Comment #408619
1. All the women who have come forward would have to be liars.

All two of them?

Also, consider the left’s goddess. She’ll lie even when the truth would work. Half the country’s population are women. It wouldn’t be hard to find two who would lie to promote the leftist’s philosophy. We all know one, already.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 13, 2016 2:44 PM
Comment #408620
the last time I flew was March of 1979

In other words, you have no clue what planes looked like in 1986.

Perhaps you could use some male bonding, Warren Porter. Were you raised by two women?

I was raised by a single father.

All two of them?
Jessica Leeds, Rachel Crooks, Mindy McGillivray, Natasha Stoynoff, Jill Harth. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 13, 2016 2:56 PM
Comment #408621
2. Trump’s private conversation with Billy Bush would have to be a lie.

An embellishment of a conversation between two males, a civilized butting of heads.

I’d go so far as to say Billy Bush was the instigator of the entire conversation. I get this impression by witnessing Billy Bush’s behavior toward the actor who they met at the bus stop. He couldn’t let it go. He insisted Donald Trump kiss the female. He did the polite way of greeting and treated the woman with respect throughout the entire episode. Bush’s embrace was really over the top, yet no one is even giving that a first thought. Hmmm, I wonder why? Is it because Donald Trump didn’t do it?

This is your third or fourth post about this. When will it sink in your October Surprise is a flop.


Posted by: Weary Willie at October 13, 2016 3:05 PM
Comment #408622

As far as Bush is concerned, the station he was working for knew about his behavior from the beginning! Remember, this happened the day before yesterday! NOT! It happened 12 years ago! Why didn’t the network take action in 2005 against Bush’s behavior when it happened? They had to have seen the tape then!

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 13, 2016 3:08 PM
Comment #408623

Your bucket doesn’t carry water, Warren Porter. We’ve seen it all before. It’s a tired, used up, Democratic trick to stay in power. With a one-way media it worked time after time, but it’s not a one way street any longer. People can see through this tactic. It’s not working on the numbers you need it to work on to win.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 13, 2016 3:11 PM
Comment #408624

Warped, I see you flunked math. Leeds today is 74. She was 38 at the time of the allegation. Now 74-38=36 and 2016-36=1980 so I don’t think seating in planes changed much in 1 year. GO BACK TO SCHOOL.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 13, 2016 3:33 PM
Comment #408625

KAP,

Good catch. It was actually reading that I failed, having skipped over the word “more” in “three decades ago”. I incorrectly concluded that it meant exactly 30 years ago.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 13, 2016 3:40 PM
Comment #408626

Warped, T.Y.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 13, 2016 3:48 PM
Comment #408627

Howard Stern: “Donald seriously, you know all about sexual predators and things like that…. You are one!”

It’s true.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 13, 2016 3:52 PM
Comment #408628

Warped, Still the question remains, Trump has his own planes which probably are more comfortable then commercial and probably more fancy and he can bring a Harem of Hookers on board if he so chooses with no problem and a lot more private, Why would he fly commercial?

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 13, 2016 3:53 PM
Comment #408629

It goes to show you could be wrong on a number of things.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 13, 2016 3:55 PM
Comment #408630

It’s true.

A perfect example of the left not being able to take a joke.

A perfect example of the left taking something out of context for political gain.

A perfect example of the left making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Has he eaten any babies yet, Warren Porter?

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 13, 2016 3:59 PM
Comment #408632

“After all, how can we trust a serial criminal offender to uphold law & order?”
Posted by: Warren Porter at October 13, 2016 11:29 AM

We can’t, don’t vote for another Clinton.

Some Leftie’s are so gullible they actually believe crap in the NYT designed to denigrate a candidate they hate for his beliefs and proposed policies.

I can’t believe anyone would be surprised at any revelation concerning Mr. Trump. I expect tomorrow we will have testimony given in the NYT of Trump beating dogs, pissing in a church, synagogue or mosque and slugging children.

The Left has been desperate ever since the primary process became a two-way race between an old white socialist serving in the senate as an Independent and an old white unstable, shrieking, badly dressed, falling down, slobbering, lying, pandering criminal running on her husbands name and glory.

It is difficult to believe how far the once great Democrat Party has fallen. Who could imagine that Sanders and Clinton was the best they could do for president?

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 13, 2016 4:02 PM
Comment #408634

Frankly, I am very impressed with Mr. Trump for standing up to the criminal Clinton machine. I know of no other Republican willing to face the threats, and possibly worse, that comes from these two unimaginable misfits to advance their goals.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 13, 2016 4:13 PM
Comment #408638

KAP,

Do you have any evidence that Trump owned a private jet before he bought his 727 in April 1987?

Remember, Donald Trump launched his business career by building Trump Tower in Manhattan (one of his few success sotries). That project lasted from 1979 until 1983. Before then, he was working for his Dad dealing with real estate in Queens. 1980 seems too early for him to be owning a luxury jetliner by himself (I could imagine him having access to a jet owned by his Dad, but that doesn’t preclude having to take a commercial flight when Dad was using the plane).

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 13, 2016 5:41 PM
Comment #408639

I wonder if Warren Porter would have the guts to talk about illegal immigration and corruption in our government as much as he clamors on slandering a decent man risking life, honor, and treasure for this country?

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 13, 2016 6:04 PM
Comment #408641

A new poll by Gallup has revealed a national marijuana use of 13% which is nearly double the use of a few years ago. Many more states are considering legalizing marijuana, classified by the DEA as a Schedule 1 substance, in the same category as heroin, LSD, and ecstasy.

No surprise here for me and many others. We already have a nation with nearly 50% of its citizens dependent upon government. How long before we have a nation with nearly 50% of its citizens dependent upon marijuana to escape from life in a nation called unjust by the Left.

Should Hillary be elected I fully expect the Left to push for nationwide legalization of marijuana and the money to pay for a fix if one is at the poverty level. It will be a simple case of discrimination against the poor.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 13, 2016 6:26 PM
Comment #408642

Royal Flush, why don’t you become an author for WatchBlog? Your last comment, and a link to related material would be a perfect subject to post in the Independent column.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 13, 2016 6:29 PM
Comment #408643

WW,

RF already has access to post articles to the red column but he refuses to use it, instead preferring to trash other people’s threads.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 13, 2016 6:42 PM
Comment #408644

Thanks for the suggestion Willie.

I will consider it but I am very lazy and content at my advanced age.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 13, 2016 6:44 PM
Comment #408645

Hmmm…Hillary Clinton calls me “deplorable” for not supporting her and now Warren Potter calls my comments “trash”.

I am crushed.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 13, 2016 6:46 PM
Comment #408646

I don’t think Warren Porter knows how much he’s promoting the abolition of free speech and the first amendment. Whenever someone disagrees with his position the name calling begins. It’s standard operating procedure for the left to vilify their opponents. They call them names to vilify them.

It seems half the time they forget about what originally set them off and end up having their label of the person be the issue.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 13, 2016 7:02 PM
Comment #408647

Warren…if I copy and paste the title of this thread it will not be accepted. Guess some are still entitled to use the correct spelling for the word “s*x”.

Is this discrimination?

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 13, 2016 7:03 PM
Comment #408648

Authors can use words like they can use links. Comments are limited to two links, an author’s post can have unlimited links.

That’s why you should be an author! You get to say the S word!

:D

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 13, 2016 7:11 PM
Comment #408649

Weary…it must be difficult to be a Liberal Far-Leftie as they wake up in a new world of morality, decency, justice, and discrimination every day.

I posted just a few of the major position changes by the Democrat candidate in the middle column. How does the average lemming follower keep up?

I am surprised that man-made global warming is not a front-burner issue in this election. I believe Obama called MMGW the most important issue on the planet.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 13, 2016 7:12 PM
Comment #408650

Good point Weary. :)

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 13, 2016 7:13 PM
Comment #408652

Warped, Trump’s dad died in 1999 at age 93 so that would put him at 73 in 1979. It’s possible that the dad owned a plane. The variables are many Donald could have been using it if his dad retired. Or they both could have been on it, who knows. The problem I see is the growping on a commercial flight that may have been full of people. I can see if it were in the planes john but in a first class seat no.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 13, 2016 7:44 PM
Comment #408655

KAP,

The problem I see is the growping on a commercial flight that may have been full of people.

The problem actually isn’t that great. Look at all the men who grope women on the subway and get away with it. Remember, the victim feels intense shame and embarrassment when she is assaulted, her initial reaction is often to try to keep things discreet in order to avoid drawing attention to herself.

The variables are many Donald could have been using it if his dad retired
We are still talking in completely in hypotheticals. Trump’s most famous jet is the 727 he bought in the late 80s, which he replaced with a 757 a couple of years ago. I’ve looked, and I cannot find any evidence anyone in the family owned a private jet before that. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 13, 2016 8:07 PM
Comment #408656

Warped, Comparing a Subway car to a plane, come on Warped I can see my 5 year old grandson saying something like that but a man who is supposed to be intelligent???? Planes don’t have people stuffed in them like Sardines, like buses and Subway cars do.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 13, 2016 8:25 PM
Comment #408657

Warped, He has more then that 757 in the way of planes and Helos.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 13, 2016 8:27 PM
Comment #408659

We are talking about 36 years ago, not today.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 13, 2016 9:33 PM
Comment #408661

Aren’t you glad we’re not talking about illegal immigration and government corruption?

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 13, 2016 9:37 PM
Comment #408662
Planes don’t have people stuffed in them like Sardines, like buses and Subway cars do.

So what? You are claiming it would be impossible for Trump to put a hand under Jessica Leeds’ skirt in a 1st class seat without anyone else noticing. If she didn’t make a scene, then why would anyone notice? It’s not like people are spending their entire flight staring at each other.

Sexual assault can happen in as little as 10 seconds.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 13, 2016 9:37 PM
Comment #408663

I am losing several good post because of some PC ‘infraction’ according to WB. I can’t use s=e=x for one. I just lost a 50 liner I think because I used the word F-r e-n-c-h k-i-s-s-i-n-g in the text. How is it that WP can post a title like that?

Posted by: roy ellis at October 13, 2016 9:40 PM
Comment #408664

So, let me try french kissing here.

Posted by: roy ellis at October 13, 2016 9:41 PM
Comment #408665

Should I start my own post?

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 13, 2016 9:42 PM
Comment #408666

Warren Porter, is anything you’re saying here based in any kind of fact, or are you just making it up to get the nickle?

Why won’t you address the issues? Why are you trying to distract from the issues with this slander and innuendo?

The issues are illegal immigration and government corruption. They always have been with Donald Trump. Your posts are a distraction.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 13, 2016 9:47 PM
Comment #408667

Well, don’t know why the post are pulled but they don’t come back to me or get published.

So, lemme try some satire and see if it gets thru. Back in the day when I was young and flashy I would throw myself at women. Most of the time when I tried a quick French kiss they would clamp their mouth shut= = couldn’t get thru the teeth. And, often times they would respond by spitting in my face, kicking me in my tenders and calling for the flight attendant, pastor, or whomever was nearby. And, sometimes they would just give me a slap which generally turned off my testosterone frammie.

Posted by: roy ellis at October 13, 2016 9:48 PM
Comment #408669

Warped, So what??? It’s a heck of a lot easier to cop a feel on a crowed Subway train then it is on a plane where people can see you much easier besides it being much harder for the woman to pin point who did it. Like I said the comparison was ignorant or at least not thought out.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 13, 2016 10:07 PM
Comment #408670

Roy,

I checked the spam filter. I did not see your comment. Watchblog does limit the number of comments that a single IP address can publish in a particular period of time.

WW,

is anything you’re saying here based in any kind of fact, or are you just making it up to get the nickle

It is impossible for you or I to ever know what actually happened at the times and places the alleged assaults occurred. All we can do is make judgements based on available evidence. The way I see it, there are basically two options:

A) Donald Trump is a completely innocent man. The multitude of women making accusations against him are all lying. Donald Trump lied when he told Billy Bush that he habitually grabs women’s genitals without their consent. Donald Trump’s two attempts to dodge Anderson Cooper’s question were a complete accident and the answer he provided on the final response is the only truth.

B) Donald Trump is a serial sexual predator. The women making accusations are telling the truth and Trump was not lying when he bragged to Billy Bush that his celebrity entitles him to grab women’s genitals without their consent. Trump initially hesitated to answer Anderson Cooper’s question because he was ashamed at the prospect of lying in front of a gargantuan national audience. Now, when he is running for President, Trump has decided to lie in order to cover his ass and avoid criminal prosecution.

There is no way to the two apart from the facts alone. However, I can apply Occam’s razor and judge B to be the true state of affairs. This is because it is far simpler to imagine lying today than to imagine different people in different places lying about different things.

The issues are illegal immigration and government corruption. They always have been with Donald Trump. Your posts are a distraction.

Get off your high horse and get real. Donald Trump has been about slander from day 1. He slanders Mexican immigrants, Muslim Americans, Megyn Kelly, Gold Star parents, disabled Americans, John McCain, and a litany of others. Americans are sick and tired of giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 13, 2016 10:13 PM
Comment #408672

I’m not sick and tired of giving him the benefit of the doubt! You should consider there being doubt, Warren Porter. You’ve been convinced this issue is his destruction ever since they told you to promote it for your nickle.

Considering who’s leveling these accusations and how they’ve been thrust upon us all at the same time, coordinated with Wikileaks. Your posts are an orchestrated attempt to tar an honorable man who’s motives are in the best interest of the country, not himself.

Have you ever noticed the claim he’s running to enrich himself never went anywhere?

You must have missed the fact that it’s only the left who’s labeling Donald Trump’s words as slander when he speaks of illegal immigration and terrorist infiltration. The left has it’s head in the sand on these issues and can only counter with slander and distractions.

You’re part of the problem, Warren Porter, because your issues are not a part of the solution.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 13, 2016 10:37 PM
Comment #408673
It’s a heck of a lot easier to cop a feel on a crowed Subway train then it is on a plane where people can see you much easier besides it being much harder for the woman to pin point who did it. Like I said the comparison was ignorant or at least not thought out.

All I know is that female friends of mine have confided to me that they were groped by strange men in a wide variety of circumstances, some of which involved buses or subway cars that were not particularly full. For instance, when I was in HS, I rode the subway on Saturdays to a job I had in a residential neighborhood of Boston. One Saturday morning, I stepped off the subway car at my final destination when I spotted a female coworker walk out of a different car from the same train. I immediately sprinted over to her in order to say hi and chat as we walked to work. It was at that moment that she confided that a man had just groped her breast on her way to work. Again, this at 8:30am on a Saturday. The subway car I rode in had fewer than 10 people in it and I could not possibly imagine her car having much more.

More recently, I once was on a bus well after midnight with just two other passengers: A well-built man and a young woman. Midway through my trip, the man changed seats to sit next to the young woman and began to proposition her for a date. She tried to politely refuse, but he persisted and I could see he was getting agitated. Eventually, he put his arm around her neck and started to feel her chest. I was petrified at what I was seeing, and did nothing. It was not one of my brightest moments.

Eventually, the man pulled the lever to request a stop and exited the bus. It was at that point, I summoned the courage to come forward and speak to the young woman. I offered to help, having witnessed the entire incident. However, the woman refused, telling me it wasn’t worth her trouble and that she did not want the stress of a protracted litigation. She’d rather forget about the entire thing. She got off at her stop and I continued to my destination without ever seeing either one of them again.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 13, 2016 10:54 PM
Comment #408674

I will give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt the moment he gives Syrian Refugees, seeking a new home the benefit of the doubt that they are not terrorists. I will give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt the moment he gives illegal Mexican immigrants the benefit of the doubt that they are not rapists. I will give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt when he apologizes for not giving Barack Obama the same regarding his birthplace. I will give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt when he gives James Comey the benefit of the doubt that he investigated Clinton’s email server properly.

More importantly, I will give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt when he learns to stop lying. His most egregious whoppers include:

—Lying about the circumstances of Obama’s birth including making baseless allegations that the certificate released 5 years ago was not authentic

—Lying about his stance of the Iraq war before it began

—Lying about the reaction of Arab Americans in New Jersey on 9/11

—Lying about the circumstances of the San Bernardino massacre, falsely claiming that people ignored clear evidence of a plot because of “political correctness”

—Lying about the origins of DAESH

—Lying about Rafael Cruz’s relationship with Lee Harvey Oswald

—Lying about a letter from the NFL complaining about the debate schedule

—Lying about fire marshals unfairly restricting the size of crowds in certain facilities.

—Lying about the crime rate, falsely claiming that the rate is at a record high.

—Lying about sending a tweet encouraging his followers to “check out a sex tape” featuring Alicia Machado

—Lying about national employment statistics

—Lying about the number of proposed Syrian refugees resettling in the US

—Lying about TPP, claiming it was a giveaway to China.

—Lying about his relationship with Putin

—Lying about “self funding” his campaign

—Lying about the fiscal consequences of his tax plan

The list goes on and on. Donald Trump has done everything possible to demonstrate that he is as far from “honorable” as one can possibly get.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 13, 2016 11:18 PM
Comment #408678

Keely, thank you for a good post, no sex, body fluids and the like. That’s a good thing.

But, first, I must remind readers about the secret service guy that says he helped the WH steward clean up the bed and put towels in the washer following some of Bill’s young and flashy days. Said it was a frequent thing and was roundly discussed, observed by the SS.

Now, to your post. I think we all agree the ME is a complicated part of the world. I think we can all agree that it has been made way more complicated than it was say, 20 years ago.

Plight of the ME is exacerbated in that thru the centuries these Muslim majority countries have been impacted by the clerics teaching and instructing the masses on basically every facet of life. Some countries way more moderating than others but some of the more powerful, Saudi and Iran had a major impact on the entire ME. With the financial support of Iran and Saudi Arabia many of the more radical clerics teaching strict adherence to whatever it is they believe, have gained near complete control of much of the ME, half of Africa and a quarter of Asia.

What we now have is basically tribal warfare with the worst of the worst winning or at perhaps matching the forces trying to keep a lid on things. The history of the ME has been that the Muslim countries will fight any intervening non=Muslim force to the death. Recall the Russians seeking a warm water port thru Afghanistan. Years, blood and money all for naught.

Beyond that, when there are no intervening forces the tribes fight among themselves. The two larger tribes, the Shite and Sunni have done the most damage primarily due to their financial backing.

Westerner’s have a hard time reconciling with the atrocities that have been, and still are being carried out by one faction or the other. The factions want more than anything to pull the West into the fray so as to embolden their tribal fighting spirit to ‘win against the infidels’. To date we have satisfied their wish beyond their wildest dream. The US alone has spent $5T, lost countless lives and have young men who have suffered terrible war wounds.

And, where has that gotten us? We are way behind square one from where we started some 20 years ago. And, AND, we are way behind where we were at the end of the Bush admin in 08. The Obama/Clinton admin has doubled the national debt to $20T and look where we are?

The Obama legacy is that there were no big wars, no US troops ‘on the ground’ no war casualties getting off the ships, and so on = = =

Meanwhile, the Russians forcefully took over their old seaport in the Crimea and a third or more Ukraine, and old Soviet state. The Russians have now sealed the deal on their warm water naval port in Syria, threatening the US if they make any real effort to change the political posture in Syria. The Russians are buzzing our ships and planes , putting missile batteries in the Urals, working with China on a missile defense in support of China and the South Sea, and NK. Iran rebels firing missiles at a US Navy ship and fomenting the situation in the ME. IMO, the dumbest thing this admin has done is invite the Russians to make war together in the ME.

Trump says we should knock out ISIS and take the oil. That may take out ISIS and gain some clout for western negotiators but I don’t see that as a long term solution. Obama just gave Iran some $1.7B and they can use that to finance the tribes for what, a hundred years or so. They can give a believer say, $5M to get into the US and try to carry of some terrorist attack.

Here is a possible action. We need to stop treating the ME problem with fringe solutions. We need to man up and call a spade a spade. The elephant in the room is Saudi’s and Iran. Put sanctions on both. Develop a strong US energy export program that would keep oil cheap which would impact Iran and Saudi’s. Have them understand that so long as the ME remains unsettled the sanctions will get worse.

For the debate, what would China, Russia and Iran do in response to such a bold program? I believe the Saudi’s would play ball. The Iranians would double down and try to kill us all. China? A wild card here.

Posted by: roy ellis at October 13, 2016 11:22 PM
Comment #408680

What you call lying is only your opinion of what was said.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 14, 2016 12:01 AM
Comment #408681

Prove it!

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 14, 2016 12:06 AM
Comment #408682

What do your stories have to do with Trump? They’re a distraction, Warren Porter. They have nothing to do with the slander you’ve perpetrated. If you want to talk about encounters on subways please post them in a new entry.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 14, 2016 12:10 AM
Comment #408683

You’re the one making accusations, Warren Porter. The last I heard someone was innocent until the accuser proves guilt.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 14, 2016 12:12 AM
Comment #408688

The alternate reality of the alt-right gives credence to the contention that while hydrogen may be the most proliferate element in our universe, it is followed closely by stupidity.

Michelle Obama’s speech yesterday nailed it about Trump, this guy is a predator and the sooner he and his ilk are shamed into submission the sooner our wives, mothers, daughters and grandaughters will have less creeps to worry about groping and assaulting them.

Thank you WP for attempting to shine a light in a very dark and foreboding place, well done.

Posted by: Speak4all at October 14, 2016 6:43 AM
Comment #408692

Warped, If you were any kind of man you would have confronted the guy in your midnight bus ride helping the woman.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 14, 2016 8:44 AM
Comment #408693

He probably made it all up.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 14, 2016 9:20 AM
Comment #408694

Come on KAP, there’s no need for that man.

Posted by: kctim at October 14, 2016 9:24 AM
Comment #408695

When you invite rapist athletes and musicians who promote violence, sexism and sexual assault in their music, to the White House, and then complain about a guy talking about T&A, you shame no one but yourself.

Posted by: kctim at October 14, 2016 9:39 AM
Comment #408696

Courage is what it takes to stand up and speak; courage is also what it takes to sit down and listen. WP has demonstrated both, it would be great if there was more of that expressed here.

Posted by: Speak4all at October 14, 2016 10:34 AM
Comment #408697

kctim, Even if I’d get my butt kicked I would at least try and help the woman out. But just sitting looking dumb founded??? I agree totally with comment 408695.
Speaks, I agree it takes courage to stand up and speak and that is what most of the conservatives are doing by speaking against your liberal policies. Most people did sit and listened but when they disagreed they were called Racist, homophobes, islamphobes, and other unsavory names.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 14, 2016 10:52 AM
Comment #408698

Prove it!
Posted by: Warren Porter at October 14, 2016 12:06 AM

Hey Willie…just imagine the hubris of this guy. He needs to proof to condemn Mr. Trump however.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 14, 2016 2:32 PM
Comment #408699

Does anyone see a pattern here of Democrats charging the Republican candidate for president of illicit s*x every four years?

This article cites Ronald Reagan (rape) Nancy Reagan (affair with Frank Sinatra), George H.W. Bush (illicit affair), George W. Bush (rape)

http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/02/21/two-centuries-of-presidential-sex-scandals/

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 14, 2016 2:54 PM
Comment #408700

Does anyone see a pattern here of Democrats charging the Republican candidate for president of illicit s*x every four years?

This article cites Ronald Reagan (rape) Nancy Reagan (affair with Frank Sinatra), George H.W. Bush (illicit affair), George W. Bush (rape)

http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/02/21/two-centuries-of-presidential-s*x-scandals/

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 14, 2016 2:54 PM
Comment #408701

So stupid. I had to use “s*x” to link to the source in the post directly above. The link won’t work now of course.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 14, 2016 2:56 PM
Comment #408702

Like I said, this won’t work because we can see right through it. It’s standard operating procedure. Democratics can’t run on their record. They can’t debate in a positive manner about their policies. They’re morally bankrupt. It’s the only way they can win.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 14, 2016 3:00 PM
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“Students who are kept out of a college because other students are admitted instead, under racial quotas, obviously lose opportunities they would otherwise have had.

But the last thing we need in Washington are nine more politicians, wearing judicial robes.”

http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2016/06/28/the-fraud-goes-on-n2183982

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 14, 2016 5:18 PM
Comment #408704

Surprise: WH Weighs New Scheme to Raid Obscure Fund, Jam Through Illegal Obamacare Bailouts

“The nonpartisan Government Accountability Office (GAO) concurs with the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service (CRS) in finding that the Obama administration violated the law by illegally redirecting Obamacare-related funds to insurance companies. Taking taxpayer dollars specifically earmarked by lawmakers for specific purposes and applying them to a politically-motivated bailout does not fall under the executive branch’s discretionary purview, GAO concludes.”

Once again we find this lawless Obama administration violating it’s oath of office.

We can fully expect a Hillary win will result in total disregard for laws passed by congress that restrict her goals. She will rob from any program to pay for what she favors.

She will operate the White House in the same reckless and illegal fashion that dominated her stint as Secretary of State. Thee will be no transparency in her administration just as there has been little in Obama’s.

Cover-up’s will abound as she is prone to making wrong decisions that harm the country and kill our citizens.

Hillary Clinton is a dreadful person.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 14, 2016 5:34 PM
Comment #408705

Sorry…link to above post…

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/09/30/surprise-wh-eyes-obscure-fund-to-push-through-illegal-obamacare-bailouts-n2225846

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 14, 2016 5:35 PM
Comment #408706

More accusers coming forward today, I agree with our right wing commenters now. If the candidate I supported were facing the accusations of mounting s*xual predation such as Mr. Trump is being accued of I woud be upset and panicking just as much as Mr. Trump and his minions are. Fortunately that is not the case with Mrs. Clinton, other than some rants about her dissing the women who took advantage of Mr. Clinton’s s*xual desires, and a great deal of scrutiny regarding her use of emails, there is nothing for her supporters to worry about.

Sometime ago I warned some of these same commenters when they were throwing out wild accusations about President Obama(re-education camps, military exercises that were designed to institute marshal law, not being a lawful citizen, seeking to destroy our country, being a muslim, and much more) to take care. I warned them that when you sow the wind you’ll reap the whirlwind. Welcome to their whirlwind. Deplorable.

Posted by: Speak4all at October 14, 2016 6:45 PM
Comment #408708

RF,
I approved your comment with the functional link. If you ever have trouble posting a comment on an article I’ve written, feel free to email me at warpedreality89 [at] gmail [dot] com and I will gladly resolve the problem. Emailing me is the best way to get my attention quickly as I do not check moveable type all that often.

Everyone,

I have some other things going on in my life that will prevent me from commenting much until Wednesday. So please bear that in mind if I fail to respond to some remarks.

Re: Trump’s lies.
Donald Trump is a liar.
It really is that simple.

Looks like even more women have come forward with allegations, I’ve honestly lost count. But I guess you guys aren’t too worried, right? It’s not like any of these people could possibly be telling the truth. Nah, they must all be lying. For sure, because Donald Trump never lies. All these controversies and allegations are just a conspiracy to dethrone an honest emperor. Well, I’ve got news for you folks, the emperor’s got no clothes.

Have a great weekend, I’ll see you on Wednesday.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 14, 2016 9:17 PM
Comment #408713

http://nypost.com/2016/10/14/trump-camp-puts-forward-witness-to-refute-sex-assault-claim/

OK, let’s wait for all the Democratics who are going to claim this guy is not credible, has no proof, and should have spoke up 30 years ago.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 15, 2016 10:41 AM
Comment #408714

http://nypost.com/2016/10/14/trump-camp-puts-forward-witness-to-refute-s3x-assault-claim/

OK, let’s wait for all the Democratics who are going to claim this guy is not credible, has no proof, and should have spoke up 30 years ago.

“What she said about Trump is wrong,” he told The Post. “I mean, no decent human being could sit by and have a woman go on television and tell the United States of America — accuse an individual of sexually molesting. It’s wrong for Trump, it’s wrong for me. But you know something else? It’s wrong for the American people,” he said.
Posted by: Weary Willie at October 15, 2016 10:44 AM
Comment #408715

W.W., The liberal/progressives here on W.B. would defend their golden girl Hillary if she committed murder right in front of them. We saw it through the Benghazi hearings and the e mail scandal. They just won’t believe their candidates could be corrupt.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 15, 2016 10:58 AM
Comment #408716

Rich, they know and they do believe u;t, they don’t care. It’s more important that they get their free stuff. The majority of minorities want the door open wide for their kin folks with little … no thought of what that might do to the working poor and middle class.

Bill Richards was on FOX this AM talking about what a great national security policy Hillary had put together. Tucker Carlson was interviewing him and didn’t have enough sense to say something like ‘but what about Hil’s emails? Is that not national security?

Minorities, fringe elements and a good number of women who want a woman in here right now, are determined to put Hillary in the WH.

And, now, Hillary has managed to implicate POTUS in her compromising of national security. POTUS came out weeks ago saying he learned thru the media of the email server. Now, thru wikileaks we learn that when the FBI was going to look for the emails the campaign had POTUS take the emails so they could destroy those on her servers as hee had executive privilege.

Posted by: roy ellis at October 15, 2016 11:22 AM
Comment #408720

Got a point there Roy that they don’t care as long as they get what they want. The BIASED MSM is playing a big part in what is going on, focusing on Trump and their, IMO, made up accusation. Hardly a peep on the WIKILEAKS.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 15, 2016 1:37 PM
Comment #408721

RF,
I approved your comment with the functional link. If you ever have trouble posting a comment on an article I’ve written, feel free to email me…

Many thanks Warren.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 15, 2016 2:57 PM
Comment #408766

Hmm. I wonder if they know that their supposed witness has a history of making exaggerated claims, especially the kind that get big paychecks from Tabloids.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at October 17, 2016 2:22 PM
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