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Trump ends his campaign to be President

And begins his campaign to be dictator.

At last night's debate, Donald Trump showed his true colors. Dumping 240 years of Constitutional precedence in the toilet, Trump violated numerous norms that have kept our republic strong and safeguarded personal liberty:

--He promised to jail one of his political opponents if he was elected. These words mirror those of a thug with zero respect for the rule of law.

--He insisted that an "effective Senator" should be able to singlehandedly rewrite the tax code even without the assent of the President. This displayed total ignorance of the delicate system of checks and balances that our nation is founded upon.

--He completely rejected Mike Pence ideas regarding Russia and Syria, throwing his own running mate under the bus.

--He inflamed Islamophobic passions by repeating a lie:

In San Bernardino, many people saw the bombs all over the apartment of the two people that killed 14 and wounded many, many people
Remember, this came in response to a question asking candidates what they would do to reduce Islamophobia.

Ezra Klein has parsed these statements to much greater detail, but the conclusion is the same.

Posted by Warren Porter at October 10, 2016 12:23 PM
Comments
Comment #408446

Warped, First off about Hillary in jail where she should be. A sailor on board a Sub. took pictures in a classified space, and by the way that space was less classified then what was found on Hillary’s server, is now serving a year in prison. Hillary could have wrote a bill changing the tax codes but did not. Him and Pence may have different ideas regarding Russia and Syria, SO WHAT, they are 2 different people with different ideas that need to be discussed after they are elected. If people see things that are unlawful that others are doing that may harm others YES it needs to be reported, I don’t care if they are Black, White, Yellow, Red, Christian, Protestant, Muslim, or Jew. REPORT THEM.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 10, 2016 12:54 PM
Comment #408447

At this point, things have gotten so unbearable for the GOP that Paul Ryan says he will no longer defend Trump. Permitting fellow Republican Congressman to disavow Trump if necessary, Ryan says, “You all need to do what’s best for you in your district”.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 10, 2016 12:54 PM
Comment #408448

BOO HOO BOO HOO for Ryan.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 10, 2016 12:56 PM
Comment #408451
Trump ends his campaign to be President And begins his campaign to be dictator.

Good title! Drumpf will probably stick to this current tactic through the next debate, where he expects Chris Wallace to let him get away with every lie he wants to tell. The result of that will be to lose the USHOR for the GOP. His ceiling was 40%. He’s doing everything in his power to reduce that, which will have consequences for the down ballot races regardless of how far anyone tries to distance themselves from him. The GOP is a wholly owned subsidiary of News Corp, and they will retaliate against rebellious subjects. Rupert Murdoch, a foreign invader of the kind that the Banana Republicans like, has made himself the master of the right wing.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 10, 2016 2:25 PM
Comment #408452
He’s doing everything in his power to reduce that

Seems like he is off to a good start.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 10, 2016 2:28 PM
Comment #408456

Ben Ginsberg, advisor to Bush/Cheney, says that the next year is going to be a circular firing squad for the GOP.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 10, 2016 4:23 PM
Comment #408458

Warren, does this mean that you went ahead and swallowed the left-wing hyperbole and now fear a President Trump, and will now be voting for Hillary to stop him?

If it does, you need to get better at it. You forgot to mention him claiming all women are ‘devils’ and how he sexually assaulted her by standing too close to her on stage.

Posted by: kctim at October 10, 2016 5:03 PM
Comment #408459

Mark Burnett’s office claims there would be a 5 million dollar penalty for violating the non-disclosure agreement with Drumpf for the Apprentice. Now, David Brock is saying that he’s willing to put up the money “to back someone financially or legally should they chose to release the tapes.” (Politico)

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 10, 2016 5:06 PM
Comment #408463

oraoghaile,
I would be very surprised if we ever see any of “The Apprentice” tapes. Burnett is a Trump supporter. Furthermore, NBC and Burnett would be subject to all kinds of lawsuits if they permitted an environment for Trump to sexually harass women. Roger Ailes from FOX avoided this by having women sign all kinds of non-disclosure payments, and paying people like Gretchen Carlson a lot of money to stay quiet.

There is already a ton of material out there and of course the Stern radio shows. Trump made a point of advertising his sexual infidelities and adulterous behavior during the 90’s as a way of promoting himself.

It is no coincidence that Trump has surrounded himself with people like Ailes, Bannon, Roger Stone, Giuliani, and Gingrich.

Will there be a circular firing squad for the GOP after the election? I doubt it. The losing Republicans will probably come from the ranks of the less insane. Ironically, the craziest ones are probably safe from the consequences of a Hillary Clinton landslide. When something falls apart, the dissolution usually starts at the margins and works inward. The GOP will no longer be viable after 2016. Women, blacks, latinos, gays, asians, moslems, and college educated voters will want anything to do with this party. The Republicans will be reduced to a loud and very crazy regional party. Limbaugh, Hannity, FOX, and the others hatertainers will survive the lemming-like fall over the cliff.

Posted by: phx8 at October 10, 2016 7:19 PM
Comment #408465
Warren, does this mean that you went ahead and swallowed the left-wing hyperbole and now fear a President Trump, and will now be voting for Hillary to stop him?

If it does, you need to get better at it. You forgot to mention him claiming all women are ‘devils’ and how he sexually assaulted her by standing too close to her on stage.

I am registered to vote in a state in which Democratic Presidential nominees have won every election in my lifetime by double digits or more. I am confident that voting for or against her will not impact Donald Trump’s chance of winning.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 10, 2016 8:40 PM
Comment #408466
NBC and Burnett would be subject to all kinds of lawsuits if they permitted an environment for Trump to sexually harass women. Posted by: phx8 at October 10, 2016 7:19 PM

They did permit it, and the tapes are out there. That’s why Bannon brought the Clinton 4 to the debate, and had their appearance trending on Youtube before the debate started. It was a preemptive strike.

Burnett has gotten away with dangerous stunts for years by getting everyone to sign agreements. I’m amazed that his programming continues to exist and flourish. He creates his own world of fake celebrities that are beholden to him, and shuffles them around from one show to the next, especially in the UK. Eventually, there will be a lawsuit that will send his whole empire crumbling down around him, just as Drumpf is destroying his own brand this year.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 10, 2016 8:49 PM
Comment #408480

Yet again, Trump has been played like a fiddle by Vladimir Putin. And all this comes after it has been reported that the intelligence community has allegedly used its monthly intelligence briefings with the two candidates to warn each of them about Russia’s attempts to influence the election by sowing misinformation and false stories.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 10, 2016 11:44 PM
Comment #408483

WP,
At first I thought the story about the false story planted by the Russians in Wikileaks, and quickly repeated by Trump, was a fake. It is simply incredible that the Republican candidate for president is repeating Russian propaganda in order to win the US election. Incredible. Yet, it happened.

Everyone knows Wikileaks was a vehicle being used by the Russians to influence the election and help Trump. We already suspected this. Now we have proof. But how did Trump obtains this piece of disinformation so quickly? The false story about Blumenthal and Benghazi was only one among thousands of e-mails. So how did Trump know to pull this one out?

Unfortunately, this story may get buried due to the salacious nature of Trump’s other acts. Absolutely horrible things about Trump on an almost daily basis. Lost in the Access Hollywood video was another story about illegal immigrants pouring across the border to vote:

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/trump-immigrants-pouring-over-border-to-vote-229274

Even worse, Trump insisted the Central Park 5 were guilty, even though they were exonerated years ago by DNA evidence, and the confession of the a person who actually did the assault.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-says-central-park-five-are-guilty-despite-dna-n661941

And now we have watched a nationally televised debate as Trump declares Hillary Clinton “has hate in her heart,” and that he will jail her. And his supporters thought that was awesome.

Posted by: phx8 at October 11, 2016 10:40 AM
Comment #408485

“And now we have watched a nationally televised debate as Trump declares Hillary Clinton “has hate in her heart,” and that he will jail her. And his supporters thought that was awesome.”

According to Warren’s link, that’s not what Trump said:

“If I win, I’m going to instruct the attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation, because there’s never been so many lies, so much deception,” Trump told Hillary Clinton.

“Because you’d be in jail,” he said.

FFS guys. You could be nailing Trump’s inexperience, his flip-flopping on the issues, even his currently stated positions on the issues. But instead you spin words and attack him based on what he said in private to another guy 11 years ago? While hypocritically ignoring the major problems of you own terrible candidate?

Posted by: kctim at October 11, 2016 11:26 AM
Comment #408487
You could be nailing Trump’s inexperience, his flip-flopping on the issues, even his currently stated positions on the issues.

He’s been assailed on these things for months, but his supporters were never deterred. For them, inexperience and flip-flopping are a feature, not a bug.

what he said in private to another guy 11 years ago

The reason I focus on this is because it exposes the hypocrisy behind his commitment to being a “Law & Order” candidate. A man who boasts of flagrant violations of the law has no business enforcing it.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 11, 2016 11:36 AM
Comment #408488

Bannon is probably the one pulling the strings that work Drumpf’s lying mouth, and has apparently told him that he only has 30 days to tell as many lies as possible. It can only help him to self-destruct. It’s really a wonderful thing. Most notably, Hillary Rodham Clinton, 45th President of The United States, will be able to get the SCOTUS out of the pocket of the GOP for a long time. She should appoint BHO as Chief Justice if and when that position becomes available. For the rest, she should appoint justices as young as possible, because Clarence Thomas is just going to sit there forever, unless they can use his sketchy past to get him out of there.

Thank you for writing articles worth reading, unlike that garbage in the middle column, which seems to have gone completely insane.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 11, 2016 11:40 AM
Comment #408490

kctim,
If we were seeing one-off gaffes by Trump, that would be one thing; but what we are seeing is a consistent pattern, right up to the present day. As for jailing Clinton, it was not that long ago the convention crowd was yelling ‘guilty’ in Christie’s call and response, and chanting ‘lock her up.’ Trump said it again today.

Re the Access Hollywood video, there is no “spin” necessary. It speaks for itself. For better or worse, the salacious aspect of the video attracts attention and elicits a gut response- that was really, really terrible. Is bragging about sexually predatory behavior the most important issue? Should we just chalk it up to the ‘youthful indiscretions of a 59 year old’?

It is difficult to focus an attack an Trump because he makes outrageous statements almost every day. That is how he generated so much coverage in the primaries. The media spent all its time televising his live rallies, waiting for him to say something shocking and inappropriate, and it sucked the oxygen out of the air for the competition.

It is also difficult to even address HRC’s short-comings. She has the same problem as the GOP primary competitors. Today Trump is engaged in open war with the Republican party, especially McCain and Ryan.

How is anyone supposed to get a word in edgewise about the risks of Hillary’s no-fly zone policy in Syria, when Trump is busy very publicly and loudly blowing up the GOP?

Posted by: phx8 at October 11, 2016 11:45 AM
Comment #408491

I am reminded of The Atlantic’s description of Drumpf: “His affect is that of an infomercial huckster; he traffics in conspiracy theories … He is an enemy of fact-based discourse; he is ignorant of, and indifferent to, the Constitution; he appears not to read.”

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 11, 2016 12:29 PM
Comment #408492

Republicans, teapartyics, constitutionalists, etc., etc. May some day realize that you get someone like Trump when you don’t say wait a minute stop,when he foments racist, mysogenist, islamaphobic views but instead attempt to champion his views by saying he just tells it like it is. Trumps views are nothing like what it is. And now it is someone else’s fault because focus is being drawn to his inexperience? Sorry but that is just a weak argument. You need to own the candidacy of Trump because you never once objected to his idiotic views we have all been subjected for the past many months.

Mrs. Clinton will make a fine President that we can all be proud of but especially our wives, mothers, daughters and grandaughters. Her tenure in office will solidify their belief in their own abilities and impress anyone who may have doubted her. I’m with her!

Posted by: Speak4all at October 11, 2016 12:59 PM
Comment #408495

Now that Drumpf has assured HRC45’s election, he’s going to work on making sure the GOP loses the USHOR. Drumpf is using his media megaphone and his deplorable followers to bring about the destruction of the political party that he claimed to represent. Hooray for Donnie Drumpf!

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 11, 2016 4:42 PM
Comment #408496

Regardless of who wins the White house or control of Congress, the Republican Party will change dramatically. This Party is torn between liberal and conservative factions. The elite of the Party favor liberalism as it is believed to be the path to continued power. It may very well be as the Democrat Party has demonstrated. But the Republicans can’t compete with the Democrats in growing government, increasing debt, and buying votes with tax money.

The Democrat Party has been totally taken over by liberals and socialists. There is little division remaining in the Party.

Unless the Republican Party embraces conservationism, it will flounder as a divided party.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 11, 2016 4:43 PM
Comment #408497

Speaks, if you are referring to my comment, I very clearly stated that his inexperience should be an issue.

Posted by: kctim at October 11, 2016 5:05 PM
Comment #408499

Phx8,

Hillary mishandled classified information and people should take that seriously. The fact that the left allows their politics to simply dismiss that says more about them than it does for those calling for justice.
As far as ‘guilty’ and ‘lock her up’ chants, spare us the faux concern. The left has been calling for Bush, Cheney and everybody else to tried for war crimes for 16 years now.

“Re the Access Hollywood video, there is no “spin” necessary. It speaks for itself.”

The video where Trump and Bush get off the bus and greet the hot chick in a professional manner?

“Should we just chalk it up to the ‘youthful indiscretions of a 59 year old’?”

Shouldn’t that be up to women, as individuals, to decide for themselves?

“It is difficult to focus an attack an Trump because he makes outrageous statements almost every day.”

Only because your candidate is so terrible.
The fact is that Hillary’s extreme dishonesty and elite status makes her a hard sell for you guys and you weren’t as far ahead in the polls as you thought you should be. That left you with only option: use meaningless BS to make Trump seem like a worse person than Hillary.

It’s freaking silly.

Posted by: kctim at October 11, 2016 5:42 PM
Comment #408502

Does anyone wonder what the Democrat Party and the nation might look and feel like in twenty or thirty years if the Liberal agenda continues unabated?

Our Constitutional freedoms will be greatly diminished that’s for certain.

Freedom of Speech is already being curtailed especially if it is religious, takes place in a public educational setting or is considered derogatory toward race, gender or se*ual preference. Perhaps the use of certain words may even be criminalized. The justification would be easy for liberal politicians and judges.

Unreasonable searches and seizures are already taking place with little objections by liberals. Consider what is happening at our nations travel terminals in the name of security. More threats from stronger enemies will require more security.

Owning and legally carrying a firearm will be unusual rather than common.

There will be two tax rates on earned income. None and confiscatory.

There will be one tax rate on unearned income. Confiscatory.

Open borders to all but those carrying disease.

National health insurance will ensure mediocre health care for everyone except the very rich who will leave the country for care; as care outside the national system will be illegal.

Every able bodied person will be employed privately if a job can be found, or by government. The national debt prohibits any more borrowing to fund social programs.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 11, 2016 5:59 PM
Comment #408505

Trump’s inexperience should have been an issue for his supporters. It never was and still isn’t, tsk tsk. Please spare us the comparisons to President Obama, that would be fallacious and has been already proven as such.

And now it was Hillary’s fault that Trump says outrageous statements? That rabbit hole is further away than any rational person can accept but enjoy your spot.

I am uncertain if Trump can debase himself more than he already has but he does seem to play into that with great success. I would imagine Hillary will keep smacking those softballs out of the park if he keeps throwing them. By his own estimation he knows she is a “fighter and won’t quit”. But who knows? After all she is a member of what some refer to as the fairer s*x, but hell hath no fury as a woman scorned.

Posted by: Speak4all at October 11, 2016 6:12 PM
Comment #408506

Hmmm…very interesting…

“Hillary kept in contact with Alinsky throughout college and while in law school, she wrote him a letter claiming that she missed corresponding with him. The letter began, “Dear Saul, When is that new book [Rules for Radicals] coming out — or has it come and I somehow missed the fulfillment of Revelation? I have just had my one-thousandth conversation about Reveille [for Radicals] and need some new material to throw at people,” — she added, a reference to Alinsky’s 1946 book on his theories of community organizing.

David Brock, in his 1996 biography, “The Seduction of Hillary Rodham,” called Hillary “Alinsky’s daughter.” That is an apt label. Where Alinsky tactics are used now on both sides to confuse and agitate, Hillary is poised to become the supreme leader with all the power and tools of our monstrous government at her fingertips.”

https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/08/alinskys-daughter-here-is-the-truth-about-hillary-the-media-will-not-tell-you

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 11, 2016 7:17 PM
Comment #408519

“[t]he job of the organizer is to maneuver and bait the establishment so that it will publicly attack him as a ‘dangerous enemy.’ [According to Alinsky], the hysterical instant reaction of the establishment [will] not only validate [the organizer’s] credentials of competency but also ensure automatic popular invitation.[14]”

Saul Alinsky- Rules for Radicals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky

And it seems Royal and his conservative propagandist swallowed the bait hook line and sinker.

But did Royal know the antichrist has had his works read by others, not just Hillary?

“Adam Brandon, a spokesman for the conservative non-profit organization FreedomWorks, one of several groups involved in organizing Tea Party protests, says the group gives Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals to its top leadership members. A shortened guide called Rules for Patriots is distributed to its entire network.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saul_Alinsky

Yep teabaggers everywhere read Alinsky, the difference being FreedomWorks had changed the name to Rules for Patriots!

“Hmmm…very interesting…” the truth the conservative media will not tell you.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 12, 2016 1:25 AM
Comment #408520

Speaks,

“Trump’s inexperience should have been an issue”

I know. We agree about that. Accept it.
Sigh.

“And now it was Hillary’s fault that Trump says outrageous statements?”

Hmmmm? Now that is something I have not heard from either side. Who is saying that what Trump said 11 years ago is Hillary’s fault?

Posted by: kctim at October 12, 2016 9:11 AM
Comment #408522

Some of us were aware of Trunp’s inexperience long before he removed any doubt about that. Some however continue to defend his moronic antics as some type of nefarious smear campaign. Laughable when the words come straight from his mouth.

We agree on nothing but the fact that some wish to give a candidate a pass on his bigotry while others seek to point out that this bigotry has been evident for a very long time, a lot further than 11 years ago.

If it serves a purpose to defend that bigotry have at it but expect that purpose to be as fruitless as the defense of the bigot.

Posted by: Speak4all at October 12, 2016 11:10 AM
Comment #408523

Everybody was aware that Trump was a businessman and not a politician, Speaks. Nobody has tried to remove any doubt about that. That is why I believe it would have been a more effective strategy to use against him.

You are looking for disagreement where there is none.

Not sure how we went from discussing a better campaign strategy for Hillary to your opinions on Trump’s supposed bigotry, so let’s try sticking to the issue actually being discussed for once.
Thank you.

Posted by: kctim at October 12, 2016 11:55 AM
Comment #408524

Over a dozen Republicans attacked Trump’s inexperience during the primary and none of those critiques stuck.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 12, 2016 1:17 PM
Comment #408525

Hillary needs independents, moderate democrats and left-leaning Republicans, Warren. Not those engaged Republicans who will vote R no matter what.

If she is the “most qualified person to ever run for President”, why doesn’t she run on that, instead of having to rely on manufacturing outrage to bring people out to vote against Trump?

Posted by: kctim at October 12, 2016 1:38 PM
Comment #408526

Trump’s inexperience in politics and government is why I support him. It’s a “different set of eyes” approach to problem solving. Unless the left is insisting there are no problems in government then perhaps a fresh set of eyes is what’s needed.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 12, 2016 1:40 PM
Comment #408527

Here is another attack on religion, this time by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

A Hillary administration will most certainly encourage more states to act in this UN-constitutional manner which, if challenged, will be defended by a liberal Supreme Court.

“The Massachusetts Commission Against Discrimination and Attorney General Maura Healey both interpret the commonwealth’s public accommodations laws, as amended by the Legislature in July, to force churches to open church changing rooms, shower facilities, restrooms, and other intimate areas based on their perceived gender identity, and not their biological sex, in violation of the churches’ religious beliefs. Because those laws also prohibit covered entities from making statements intended ‘to discriminate’ or to ‘incite’ others to do so, the commission and attorney general also intend to force churches and pastors to refrain from religious expression regarding sexuality that conflicts with the government’s views.”

My Leftie Pals will no doubt celebrate another victory for atheism.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 12, 2016 1:42 PM
Comment #408528

Here is another attack on religion, this time by the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

A Hillary administration will most certainly encourage more states to act in this UN-constitutional manner which, if challenged, will be defended by a liberal Supreme Court.

“The Massachusetts Commission Against Discrimination and Attorney General Maura Healey both interpret the commonwealth’s public accommodations laws, as amended by the Legislature in July, to force churches to open church changing rooms, shower facilities, restrooms, and other intimate areas based on their perceived gender identity, and not their biological s*x, in violation of the churches’ religious beliefs. Because those laws also prohibit covered entities from making statements intended ‘to discriminate’ or to ‘incite’ others to do so, the commission and attorney general also intend to force churches and pastors to refrain from religious expression regarding se*uality that conflicts with the government’s views.”

My Leftie Pals will no doubt celebrate another victory for atheism.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 12, 2016 1:42 PM
Comment #408529

Sorry…here’s the link to my quote directly above on the Commonwealth of Mass.

http://www.adfmedia.org/News/PRDetail/10091

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 12, 2016 1:44 PM
Comment #408530

RF,
Please create your own article if you want to shift the discussion to another topic.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 12, 2016 2:04 PM
Comment #408531

Nothing wrong with that, Weary. In fact, 8 years ago the leftists agreed with you and voted for inexperience in hopes of changing the problems in government. Of course, the problems they see are that government isn’t big enough and doesn’t give them enough, but they were still voting for a ‘fresh set of eyes.’ That hasn’t worked out so well.

If not for Hillary’s blatant dishonesty and terrible lack of judgement, I honestly don’t think she would be having to run this ‘He is worse than me’ BS campaign.

Posted by: kctim at October 12, 2016 2:09 PM
Comment #408532

Warren seems to believe that his original statement;

“Trump violated numerous norms that have kept our republic strong and safeguarded personal liberty:”;

…has nothing to do with “freedom of religion”. I urge my Pals to understand what the Left intends to do with our “Bill of Rights”.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 12, 2016 2:22 PM
Comment #408533

The Clinton campaign trashes Catholics. Replace “Catholic” with “Muslim” and imagine the media firestorm if comments like this found in a Trump campaign.

“Bill Donahue, founder of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights, was quick to decry the “bigoted comments” coming from key members of the Clinton campaign, noting that their “contempt for Catholicism is palpable.”

Donahue called on presidential candidate Hillary Clinton to react swiftly to the revelations, declaring that she “has a moral obligation to sanction Podesta and Palmieri immediately.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/10/12/new-deplorables-clinton-campaign-staffers-trash-conservative-catholics/

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 12, 2016 2:36 PM
Comment #408534

RF,

Create your own article and I will gladly discuss.

kctim,

If she is the “most qualified person to ever run for President”, why doesn’t she run on that, instead of having to rely on manufacturing outrage to bring people out to vote against Trump?

Hillary is not my candidate and for good reason too. She is very lucky that she is running against someone as atrocious as Trump. Against Kasich or Rubio, she’d be getting her ass kicked right now.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 12, 2016 2:40 PM
Comment #408535

The point of the article was and is Trump’s disregard for the Constitution and his blatant threat to prosecute his opponent much like a dictator of some third world backward country rather than the leader of the most powerful government the world has known. Not sure how anyone could get from that opinion to how Hillary Clinton could run a better campaign but perhaps you should write your own opinion piece on that rather than attempting to hi-jack this thread to espouse your own opinion.

The left does not necessarily want bigger government but would like better government. This idea has been thwarted by right wing intransigence and unwillingness to work with their opposition in order to obtain our mutual improvement. I would submit that they are not interested in mutual improvement but rather their obsession to drown government in a sea of stupidity in order to obtain their restrictive goals on our society.

Hillary Clinton is holding a double digit lead in most polling so we are uncertain why she should make any attempt to change her campaign strategy. Her goals are clear and her stated policies seem to indicate a path to attain them. And then we have her opponent who speaks in vague innuendo about knocking the hell out of ISIL/ISIS with no specifics on how that would be accomplished and making America great by lowering taxes on those who fleece our country. The America I live in is and has always been great.

Posted by: Speak4all at October 12, 2016 3:05 PM
Comment #408541

Warren,
Hillary isn’t my candidate either. I’m just tired of all the lefts hypocrisy and faux outrage over nothing. IMO, her winning like this will do absolutely nothing to bring the country back together. It will further divide us as it did when Obama did it.
If people were voting FOR her, we would have at least some kind of a chance.

Speaks,
Trump didn’t promise to jail one of his political opponents if he was elected. He didn’t insist that an “effective Senator” should be able to singlehandedly rewrite the tax code. He didn’t completely reject Mike Pence. He didn’t further inflame Islamophobic passions.

According to Warren’s own link:
Trump called for an investigation into Hillary’s known wrongdoing and that he believes she would be in jail because of “so many lies, so much deception.”
Trump said that an effective Senator could get rid of carried interest, he did NOT say magically rewrite the tax code. Effective Senators, like Hillary is trying to pass herself as, are effective in convincing other Senators to agree with her and work with her.
Trump and Pence disagree on things. Lockstep thinking is not good for the country, nor should it be desired.
It was reported that pipe bombs were found out in the open all over the San Bernardino apartment. Some can believe nobody saw anything remotely suspicious, and after seeing the pictures, some can’t see how nobody saw anything.

The point of the article was to only trash Trump, and trashing Trump is exactly how Hillary is running her campaign. I disagree with that strategy and Warren would have let me know if he did not wish to discuss it.

Posted by: kctim at October 12, 2016 3:53 PM
Comment #408543

Trump seems to do exceedingly well at trashing himself, no assistance necessary. I am impressed with how Mrs. Clinton has handled the completely outrageous attacks. She has admitted to mistakes and has repeatedly said she would not do that with what she knows now. Of course after 30 years of being the brunt of hyper right wing hyperbole she seems to understand how to handle that. I do enjoy watching her addressing the phony pettiness that some display in that regard.

Trump said “because you’d be in jail”. You could at least try to stick to the words that come out of his mouth, watch the video.

Posted by: Speak4all at October 12, 2016 5:39 PM
Comment #408544

Speaks, She should be in jail, a sailor who did less is in jail. DOUBLE STANDARD, Speaks?

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 12, 2016 5:54 PM
Comment #408545

Hillary has promised not the betray the nation again by careless email.

Wow…I sure am relieved.

OH, WAIT; the Clinton’s are famous (infamous) for parsing words. Will Hillary find another way to line her pockets and carelessly handle classified information?

Hillary is paranoid about her privacy as was Nixon. We all know what happened to Nixon.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 12, 2016 5:59 PM
Comment #408546

Royal,

Clinton has no obligation whatsoever to sanction two Catholics talking about liberal and conservative divisions within the Catholic church. By the way, the Pope happens to fall within the liberal wing of the Catholic Church.

Posted by: Rich at October 12, 2016 6:13 PM
Comment #408551
Hillary isn’t my candidate either. I’m just tired of all the lefts hypocrisy and faux outrage over nothing. IMO, her winning like this will do absolutely nothing to bring the country back together. It will further divide us as it did when Obama did it. If people were voting FOR her, we would have at least some kind of a chance.

James Comey gave the GOP a perfect avenue to attack Hillary Clinton. The FBI investigation revealed that Hillary Clinton and her advisers were grossly incompetent when it came to cyber networks and classified information.

Instead of taking that bone and running with it, Republicans decided to brand Clinton as a crook instead. Of course, Clinton committed no crime so this took an extreme amount of hyperbole and deceit on the part of the Right. This slander against the Democratic nominee is what prevents Hillary from healing the division in this country.

a sailor who did less more is in jail
KAP, I fixed your typo. Taking unauthorized photographs of a submarine’s engine room is far more serious than acknowledging the existence of the CIA’s drone program. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 12, 2016 7:37 PM
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Warped, The engine room of a sub is no different then that of a surface ship. Now if the sailor took pictures of the Reactor room or the weapons areas it would be a different story. I’ve seen documentaries of the interior of our newest nuc. powered subs on the History channel. The classification of the space the sailor took the pictures in has less of a classification then what was found on Hillary’s home brew server. So when you supposedly fixed my so called typo was uncalled for. The sailors pictures and I’ve seen some of them were of the reduction gear and a few valve banks nothing that any different that conventional steam powered ships have and that I have maintained while serving.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 12, 2016 8:08 PM
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By the way Warped, the classification for the photos was classified/restricted. Hillary had SECRET material on her server.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 12, 2016 8:17 PM
Comment #408554

O Yea Warped, I served on a Nuclear powered ship.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 12, 2016 8:19 PM
Comment #408556

KAP,

The “Top Secret” emails were comments public news articles discussing the CIA’s drone program in Yemen and Pakistan. Those comments affirmed the program’s existence, which unintentionally violated proper protocols.

Kristian Saucier intentionally took photographs that he knew were illegal. These photographs revealed sensitive information about our submarines:

On Jan. 19, 2009, Saucier took two photos, one of the auxiliary steam plant panel and the other of the reactor compartment viewed through a portal. On March 22, 2009, Saucier took two photos that, when placed side by side, provided a panoramic array of the maneuvering compartment, the room from which the propulsion system of the boat is operated. On July 15, 2009, Saucier took two photos documenting the reactor head configuration of the nuclear reactor and a view of the reactor compartment from within that compartment.

Saucier had a secret clearance and knew that the photos depicted classified material and that he was not authorized to take them. He retained these photos and failed to deliver them to any officer or employee of the United States entitled to receive it.
I think I misspoke earlier, as this sounds like the reactor room to me. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 12, 2016 8:40 PM
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Warped,, confidential/restricted is less then what Hillary had on her server. The steam plant on a Nuc. is basicly the same as on a conventional powered ship. Instead of a boiler they have a reactor. The steam from the reactor goes to a high pressure turbine then a low pressure turbine which in turn drives a set of reduction gears which in turn drives the screw or propeller to you land lubers. The same thing on a steam powered surface ship. Taking picture like he did was wrong but the areas held less of a security classification then Hillary’s server contained. Now what is really classified is how the machinery is mounted that I will not tell you. So you can think all you want of how the sailor compromised something that is common knowledge to most engineers throughout the Navies of the world, even our enemies.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 12, 2016 9:02 PM
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By the way Warped, TOP SECRET is a higher classification then confidential/restricted.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 12, 2016 9:04 PM
Comment #408562

You are forgetting the important distinction: INTENT

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 12, 2016 9:10 PM
Comment #408563

Warped, Intent of what, showing his kids of what he did in the Navy? Warped quit with the BS. Hillary did worse then what that kid did and God only knows what her intent was.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 12, 2016 9:23 PM
Comment #408567

Saucier knew he was breaking the law. Big difference.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 12, 2016 9:41 PM
Comment #408568

Warped, www.cnet.com, Le Redoutable a Ballistic Missle Nuc Sub. This will show you the inside of what a Nuc. Sub looks like. Including the engineering spaces.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 12, 2016 9:43 PM
Comment #408570

I think the DOJ is a far better judge than I on whether or not those photos violated the law.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 12, 2016 9:49 PM
Comment #408571

Warped,, So did Hillary, Quit with the BS. Hillary knew DAMN well what she was doing was wrong and more dangerous to National Security. All the Navies of the world have basicly the same propulsion plants we do so it is really no big secret.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 12, 2016 9:55 PM
Comment #408572

Warped, He disobeyed a standing order, he did wrong but like I stated CONFIDENTIAL/RESTRICTED is far less then TOP SECRET. Hillary should be serving time not running for POTUS.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 12, 2016 9:58 PM
Comment #408593

“Saucier knew he was breaking the law. Big difference.”

How do we know that, Warren?

Hillary said: “I’m certainly well aware of the classification requirements…”

I’m going to guess that she signed a Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement — which states that “I hereby acknowledge that I have received a security indoctrination concerning the nature and protection of classified information.”

Then in July of 2016, didn’t Hillary tell the FBI something like she could not remember receiving “any briefing or training” for handling such information?

Perhaps the same thing happened to Saucier?

Posted by: kctim at October 13, 2016 10:11 AM
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How do we know that, Warren?

Because Saucier said so: “Mr. Saucier admitted that he knew when he took the pictures in 2009 that they were classified and that he did so out of the misguided desire to keep these pictures in order to one day show his family and his future children what he did while he was in the Navy,” Hogan wrote in a court filing.”

Mind you, Hogan is Sacier’s attorney.

I’m going to guess that she signed a Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement

When Clinton expressed ignorance of classification procedures to the FBI, the FBI did not think she was lying to them. This suggests to me that she never signed such a document.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 13, 2016 10:45 AM
Comment #408600

“he knew when he took the pictures in 2009 that they were classified”

So, he was “certainly well aware of the classification requirements?”

“This suggests to me that she never signed such a document.”

https://www.archives.gov/isoo/training/standard-form-312.html

- All persons with authorized access to classified information shall be required to sign a nondisclosure agreement as a condition of access.”

- As a cleared employee you should receive, according to paragraph No. 2 of the SF 312, a “security indoctrination briefing concerning the nature and protection of classified information, including procedures to be followed in ascertaining whether other persons to whom you contemplate disclosing this information have been approved for access to it….” After you receive such a briefing, you should have a basic understanding of the following:

What is classified information?
How do you protect it?
Who may have access to it?
How does the classification system function?

Posted by: kctim at October 13, 2016 11:23 AM
Comment #408605

You mean this?

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 13, 2016 12:29 PM
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