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Law & Order Hypocrisy Part II

Last week, I wrote extensively about the unlawful Trump Foundation and it’s illegal solicitation of donations. Conservative WatchBloggers tried to brush aside the notion that Trump has zero respect for our laws. However, the truth about Trump is readily apparent to anyone with a functional brain. The guy is a criminal, he gropes women and brags about it. This is absolutely repugnant.

Already, we are witnessing the flight of rats from the sinking ship. Jason Chaffetz and Gary Herbert withdrew their endorsement. Paul Ryan canceled a joint appearance with Donald Trump at the Elkhorn, Wisconsin Fall Fest, saying:

I am sickened by what I heard today. Women are to be championed and revered, not objectified, I hope Mr. Trump treats this situation with the seriousness it deserves and works to demonstrate to the country that he has greater respect for women than this clip suggests. In the meantime, he is no longer attending tomorrow's event in Wisconsin.

Indeed, the damage has been so severe that rumors have once again surfaced that the Republican Party's apparatus is contemplating the procedure for replacing their party's nominee for President. Unfortunately, it seems that it is far too late for a legal and expedited maneuver, so the GOP is stuck with Trump unless he should choose to resign. However, given the content of his apology video, that seems extremely unlikely. Of course, the fact that Kellyanne Conway was able to convince Trump to apologize is newsworthy in of itself.

Regardless, too much damage has been done. Sunday's town hall style debate may have offered Trump a chance to reintroduce a much chastened, but he is too weak to stand up to a base run amuck in its demands for red meat. For certain, undecided American voters hoping to see a chastened Trump will instead receive comparisons drawn between Trump's admitted sexual assault and Bill Clinton's consensual adulterous relationships. Juanita Broaddrick's uncorroborated allegations aside, there is no indication that Bill Clinton ever broke any laws with his philandering. And besides, he isn't on the ballot in November. This defense wills surely flop for Trump, costing him dearly in the polls.

So what is a loyal conservative to do? I say get out now, while a shred of your dignity remains. Leave Trump's conflagration alone and let it burn itself out. You can pick up the pieces once the election is over. The 2018 midterms will be favorable for Republicans and state governments across the nation remain in conservative hands. Sticking with your man until the bitter end will only create grief and misery as ever more October surprises manifest. Donald Trump has escaped the claws of the American Justice System time after time; however, with the spotlight of next month's election drawing near, it is inevitable that this world class criminal will run out of "get out of jail free" cards. There are some things money can't buy.

Posted by Warren Porter at October 8, 2016 12:56 AM
Comments
Comment #408279

If Democratics knee jerked their way to destroying their own we’d have a much safer and equitable country.

Why don’t Democratics get to the bottom of the WhiteWater affair as fast as they get to the bottom of their political opponents idle comments?

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 11:04 AM
Comment #408280

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5161766380001/wikileaks-appears-to-reveal-clintons-wall-street-speeches/

What? No interest in Wikileaks document dump about Clinton’s Wallstreet speeches?

Like I said, if Democratics destroyed their own the way Republicans knee jerk their way through political faux outrages, we’d have a much better government.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 11:25 AM
Comment #408281

I’ll bet every one of our Democrats on this site have said some racy comments about women or in the case of women about men. I’ll bet if there were an open mike on Hillary at times we would hear some dicey comments to.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 8, 2016 11:36 AM
Comment #408283

So Weary we have hackers, possibly foreign hackers, giving wikileaks stolen documents, right? Who is to say these same hackers aren’t altering some of these documents to influence the election?

Posted by: j2t2 at October 8, 2016 11:44 AM
Comment #408284

Watch out, j2t2. Didn’t you notice you’ve put the Democratic’s storyline in doubt when you say “possibly foreign hackers”?

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 11:46 AM
Comment #408285

Rich KAPitan, we’re going to have to accept a month of Donald Trump’s utterings, but when respected members of the Secret Service expose Hillbilly’s temper tantrums they are discounted and ignored.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 11:48 AM
Comment #408286

It is too late for Trump to withdraw. Early voting has already started. Absentee ballots are already out there. Realistically, nothing can be done.

And there might be more videos like this one; after all, we are still a month out from the election.

KAP,
“Racy comments”? Trump was talking about sexual predation. He was talking about f****** married women. He was talking about forcing himself on them.

WW,
The e-mails won’t go anywhere for several reasons. First, they are probably the result of a Russian hack, and intended to influence the US election for a more favorable Russian outcome, namely, the election of Trump, and the weakening of the military and economic ties between the US and its allies. So there is a credibility problem. Second, it is possible material has been faked or inserted. Third, of the material that has been publicized, there is nothing of interest.

Posted by: phx8 at October 8, 2016 11:51 AM
Comment #408287

What do you bet the women that were throwing themselves at Trump were Democratics and Hillbilly supporters. These are women who would prostitute themselves to get into Donald Trump’s wallet! He said they let him do it!

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 11:51 AM
Comment #408288
I’ll bet every one of our Democrats on this site have said some racy comments about women…..

Had you said leftie, socialist, communist, liberal progressive so and so I would have answered yes I have, more than once. But I haven’t groped and bragged about it afterwards.

Are you suggesting, KAP, that “they do it to” is your defense of Trump for his groping and bragging character trait flaws?

Posted by: j2t2 at October 8, 2016 11:52 AM
Comment #408289

Let’s get these women in front of the camera and have them tell their story about how Donald Trump groped them. Put them on the witness stand because by the way the Democratics are clutching their pearls on this one, it must be a crime.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 11:54 AM
Comment #408290

Did anyone make a fuss about Uncle Joe Biden trying to kiss that preteen?

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 11:56 AM
Comment #408291

phx8 and j2t2, Talks cheap, are you saying that it was fine for the Democrat candidates Husband to be a womanizer? Are you saying that it was fine for the Democrat candidate to belittle those women that her husband had inappropriate relations with? You 2 need to pay more attention to your own candidates short comings. I’ll bet out of 535 men and women in the House and Senate you will not find one that hasn’t made some kind of racy comment.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 8, 2016 12:42 PM
Comment #408292

https://t.co/iQzu5HLlDY

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 12:50 PM
Comment #408293

Here’s the video everyone is talking about.

Listen carefully. Trump says some male things in the bus, but when he got off the buss he was a gentleman toward the lady. Compare his demeanor to Billy Bush’s demeanor in the presence of the woman. It gives weight to who may have been the instigator of the private comments on the buss.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 12:54 PM
Comment #408294

The tally grows larger.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 8, 2016 12:56 PM
Comment #408295

You didn’t expect something like this? Isn’t it standard operating procedure for the establishment?

The October Surprise!

Nice timing too, by the way. Assage hit pause so the Washington elite can get their ducks in a row.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 1:01 PM
Comment #408296

Warped, I wonder if Democrat support for Hillary will dwindle if the wikileaks dump shows her wrong doings.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 8, 2016 1:03 PM
Comment #408297

Warped, NAW, Democrats will support her no matter what.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 8, 2016 1:05 PM
Comment #408298

She’s the first person to run for president.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 1:06 PM
Comment #408299

If HRC was caught on tape admitting to groping men without their permission, like hell you would see the Democratic Establishment drop that hot potato. But there is absolutely no evidence to even suggest that anything of that sort.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 8, 2016 1:12 PM
Comment #408300

Warped, #408299 is pure BS and you know it, the MSM wouldn’t even run the story if it did happen.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 8, 2016 1:19 PM
Comment #408301
the MSM wouldn’t even run the story if it did happen

This is complete nonsense. The MSM has berated HRC with scandal after scandal, whether it be her email server, her health or her paid speeches. If a video along the lines that I described ever manifested, they would have an absolute field day. Take off your partisan blinders for a change.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 8, 2016 1:24 PM
Comment #408303

I doubt it. Do you actually believe there’s NO video of Hillbilly losing her temper? What about demeaning a whole class of people? Is there any video of that?

The six major corporations that give us our daily bread of news know which side of the bread the butter is on.

I once asked a reporter why they wouldn’t scrutinize an obviously flawed plan. The response was that if they say somenthing bad they wouldn’t get access and without access they couldn’t do their job.

It’s ok for the press to ask Trump the “Are you still beating your wife?” questions. Why does Hillbilly get all the, “How was your Labor Day weekend?” questions?

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 1:26 PM
Comment #408304

Did any of you actually watch the video, or are you all working off of talking points?

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 1:29 PM
Comment #408305

Warped, Time after time the MSM defends Hillary. They wouldn’t run the story. The only network that would run the story would be FOX and you know how that would go over with the lib/progressive DemocRATs. They would say it’s all lies.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 8, 2016 1:39 PM
Comment #408306

I linked to the video in my original essay, of course I watched it. My point is the same as Tim Kaine’s, this is not just a matter of words, but one of actions and behavior.

I doubt it. Do you actually believe there’s NO video of Hillbilly losing her temper? What about demeaning a whole class of people? Is there any video of that?

Do not move the goalposts. I specifically said groping for a reason. Trump’s most serious crime is not that he lost his temper or demeaned a group of people (although he has done these things). Trump’s most serious crime is his admission to sexual assault.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 8, 2016 1:47 PM
Comment #408307

You completely missed what was in the video. Trump was bragging to a boor. Bush’s behavior was out of line. Trump’s behavior was gentlemanly.

Trump’s comments were unfortunate but taken out of context. From what I gleaned from the video was Trump and Bush were in the bus and the camera with live feed was greeting the bus’ arrival. Trump and Bush were having a private conversation and Bush was recording it. Do you think Trump started this conversation on the bus? Based on the way Bush was acting toward this woman after exiting, I’d venture to say Trump was going along with a boor to get along. You’ll also notice when Bush said he was done, Trump said, “Good”.

Let’s talk about Biden’s apology for attempted assault on a preteen girl in front of God and everybody.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 1:59 PM
Comment #408308

WW,

Stop making excuses for illegal behavior. Under no circumstance is it legal for Donald Trump to assault or grope a woman, let alone brag about it.

Nobody is defending Billy Bush either, but he isn’t running for President.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 8, 2016 2:21 PM
Comment #408309

Trump’s most serious crime is his admission to sexual assault.
Posted by: Warren Porter at October 8, 2016 1:47 PM

What a stunning statement. We are reminded ad-nauseum by phx8 and Pals that unless indictments, followed by convictions, are present no wrongdoing is done (by Hillary.

As for Mr. Trump and the hot-mike revelation…OH, MY, Goodness.

Just imagine grown men, even grown married men, talking trash about women. I am astonished, I am horrified, I am going to vote for Hillary.

OH, WAIT! I am not crazy.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 8, 2016 2:36 PM
Comment #408310

Exactly Royal, I guess that the W.B. libs never did that and if they say they never did they would be lying.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 8, 2016 2:41 PM
Comment #408311

Warped, Trump wasn’t running for President in 2005 either. I guess we can go and bring up everything that Hillary did that may have been crude from the time she and Bill entered public life.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 8, 2016 2:46 PM
Comment #408315

Why stop at Hillbilly’s public life? I remember stories about a truck with a bed in the bed! Let’s judge.

What illegal behavior, Warren Porter? I didn’t see Trump grab that woman’s pussy. No one came forward. No one filed charges. Should we wait for twenty years for victims to come forward?

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 2:58 PM
Comment #408316

Hey Porter…if “bragging” was “doing”, more than half of American men would be in prison.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 8, 2016 3:02 PM
Comment #408317

Looks like “Mission Accomplished”!

Everyone is willing to let bygones be bygones when it comes to Billy Bush.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2016/10/08/are-billy-bushs-days-numbered-at-today-show.html

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 3:07 PM
Comment #408318

If scum are going to make excuses for sexual assault, then there is nothing I can do to help this basket of deplorables.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 8, 2016 3:20 PM
Comment #408319

What part of “They Let Me Do It” don’t you understand.

I know the younger crowd has an attention span problem, but jeesh Warren Porter. It was practically in the same sentence!

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 3:28 PM
Comment #408320

Under no circumstances could Porter write a comment that would cause me to refer to him as “scum” or “deplorable”.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 8, 2016 3:29 PM
Comment #408321

I recall a time when the Left, especially, wrote comments that what was said in private was not the business of anyone else. Is that no longer true?

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 8, 2016 3:37 PM
Comment #408322

Name calling. The last refuge scurried to when a Democratic loses a debate.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 3:38 PM
Comment #408323

Probably not going to get paid for that one, Warren Porter.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 3:39 PM
Comment #408324

Warped, Have you ever talked trash? If you say no you are a LIER.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 8, 2016 3:47 PM
Comment #408325

WW & RF,

Put Trump aside for a moment. Can we agree that a man who cannot resist the temptation to grope a woman without her consent deserves to be in prison, not the White House?

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 8, 2016 3:50 PM
Comment #408326

Warped, If a man or woman, at that matter, can’t resist groping without consent, yes they should be in jail or mental hospital. If that is true for Trump then it would be true for the Democrat candidate’s husband, now wouldn’t it?

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 8, 2016 4:06 PM
Comment #408327

I can honestly reply to Mr.Porter that people who break the law, both men or women, are arrested, are convicted by a judge or jury, may be sentenced to prison or have some other judgement levied upon them.

The Bill Clinton “Plea Agreement” for example indicates judicial compromise. He plead guilty to perjury, lost his law license, was publicly shamed, and justice was served. Clinton avoided prison.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2001-01-23/news/0101230037_1_independent-counsel-robert-ray-law-license-bill-clinton

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 8, 2016 4:08 PM
Comment #408328

Royal and Warped, Seeing how Bill Clinton’s indiscriminate behavior with women, Would you want him to be called “First Gentleman”?

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 8, 2016 4:16 PM
Comment #408329

KAP,

Thank you for affirming basic decency.

If that is true for Trump then it would be true for the Democrat candidate’s husband, now wouldn’t it?

Yes, if an audio recording of Bill Clinton bragging about sexually assaulted a woman appeared, then he would deserve the same as Trump.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 8, 2016 4:17 PM
Comment #408330

RF,
Thank you for Comment #408327

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 8, 2016 4:20 PM
Comment #408331

Please tell us Mr. Porter what you believe Trump “deserves” for bragging, about anything, in a private conversation.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 8, 2016 4:23 PM
Comment #408333

That’s not for me to decide, apart from the fact that he deserves to have my vote cast for one of his opponents next month.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 8, 2016 4:30 PM
Comment #408334

Warped, We don’t need audio for Bill Clinton we already know it as FACT. Bragging on a open mike is not fact, unless the gropees come forth.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 8, 2016 4:30 PM
Comment #408335

There were a couple of women who came forward with stories of rape by Bill Clinton. I must have missed the subsequent tarring and feathering.

What woman came forward with Trump? You’re making up stuff to support your argument that Trump is a criminal and a sex offender. There was nothing of the sort in that video! Why are you manufacturing allegations like “without her consent” when you know there is no accuser? Trump said exactly the opposite in the video. “They Let Me Do It” he said. He’s not admitting to anything.


Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 4:35 PM
Comment #408336
we already know it as FACT

No, we don’t.

Bragging on a open mike is not fact
Actually, it is. There’s zero reason to suspect Trump was lying to Bush. It may not be sufficient for a courtroom, but in the court of public opinion it was more than enough. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 8, 2016 4:35 PM
Comment #408337

There were a couple of women who came forward with stories of rape by Bill Clinton. I must have missed the subsequent tarring and feathering.

What woman came forward with Trump? You’re making up stuff to support your argument that Trump is a criminal and a s3x offender. There was nothing of the sort in that video! Why are you manufacturing allegations like “without her consent” when you know there is no accuser? Trump said exactly the opposite in the video. “They Let Me Do It” he said. He’s not admitting to anything.


Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 4:37 PM
Comment #408338

Warped, Yes we do know it as FACT for Billy boy, B.J. in the Oval office, Geniffer Flowers and others while he was Gov. of Arkansas. Maybe there is reason Trump was lying to Bush, bragging about your sexual ability is nothing new to men. When I was in the Navy it was quite common to brag about your ability with women but it didn’t make it true.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 8, 2016 4:45 PM
Comment #408340

WW,

We have no evidence to validate the veracity of claims made by Juanita Broaddrick or others. With Trump, we have what is essentially a videotaped confession in his conversation with Billy Bush. Unless you want to pretend that Trump is a liar, there is no need for any of his victims to come forward in order to conclude that the prick is guilty of sexual assault.

“They Let Me Do It” he said
Give me a break. Do I really have to spell this out?

Thrice, Trump admitted that he didn’t get consent to approach engage a woman in a sexual manner.

Trump said: “I moved on her, and I failed. I’ll admit it.”

Trump said: “I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there”

Trump said: “You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait.

Now that we have the context establishing that Trump has not obtained the woman’s permission, we get the admission of assault, “You can do anything…Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.”

At this point, the only rational conclusion is that “And when you’re a star, they let you do it.” just means that the power of his stardom means that his victims are too afraid to report his sexual assault to the authorities.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 8, 2016 4:58 PM
Comment #408341

KAP,

You seem to be confusing consensual adulterous affairs with non-consensual sexual assault. The two are not comparable.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 8, 2016 5:00 PM
Comment #408342

Warped, Let me put it this way, it was a stupid thing to be bragging about your ability with a woman and to say those things. But without hard evidence it is just bragging, something men do nothing else. Have you ever bragged about something?

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 8, 2016 5:04 PM
Comment #408343

Mr. Porter appears to like wallowing in this private Trump conservation. Is it really that titillating for you Warren?

Commenting on two grown men talking sexual adventures in private is hardly worth my time or interest.

When a sitting president such as John Kennedy, Lyndon Johnson or Bill Clinton does the same it is newsworthy.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 8, 2016 5:05 PM
Comment #408344

Warped, How do you know they were consensual? Some women claimed rape. Like I asked before, Would you want him to be called “First Gentleman”?

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 8, 2016 5:07 PM
Comment #408345
“And when you’re a star, they let you do it.” just means that the power of his stardom means that his victims are too afraid to report his sexual assault to the authorities.

I’ve been waiting for this one and now that I’m actually reading it I’m laughing so hard I can’t respond!

Hillbilly can’t be president. According to Warren Porter women are too timid to stand up for themselves.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 5:10 PM
Comment #408346

Trump said: “You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait.”

They probably did the same thing that little girl did with Joe Biden.

Trump even admits he didn’t get anywhere, so the women aren’t as helpless as your faux outrage is making them out to be.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 5:14 PM
Comment #408347
Have you ever bragged about something?

I have never bragged about non-consensual sexual contact. Trump’s behavior is perverted and abhorrent. Normal men don’t act this way.

Comment #408343 is simply disgusting in its allegation, but I understand. When trying to defend the indefensible, an ad hominen attack is the only remaining tool in the conservative toolbox.

How do you know they were consensual? Some women claimed rape. Like I asked before, Would you want him to be called “First Gentleman”
Neither Genifer Flowers nor Monica Lewinsky have claimed rape. No other women have demonstrated that any sexual contact occurred. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 8, 2016 5:22 PM
Comment #408348
women are too timid to stand up for themselves

No, I said that Trump claims his victims are too scared of his star power to come forward. Trump’s victims do not represent all women nor are they failing to come forward as a result of timidity. It is simply a rational decision, Trump and his lawyers would easily bury anyone who chose to do so.

They probably did the same thing that little girl did with Joe Biden.

Yeah. And Trump responds by grabbing her genitalia. That’s sexual assault.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 8, 2016 5:30 PM
Comment #408349

Drumpf’s life as he had known it before his big publicity stunt of pretending to run for POTUS is over. He’s finding out what the Clintons have been subjected to for 25 years, and in his case, there is fire with the smoke. The investigations are only beginning, and won’t likely be dropped after he loses in one month. His “university”, his “foundation”, and his taxes will all continue to be investigated. Now they’re looking into his personal life.

Born again Mark Burnett is covering for Drumpf. He has enough audio and video to bury his apprentice. We only have this audio from the creepy 60 year old man bragging about his abusive rotten behavior to a much younger Billy Bush. There is a lot more out there.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 8, 2016 5:36 PM
Comment #408351

Warped, “Normal men don’t act this way” comment 408338 are you saying sailors aren’t normal men? How much money did the Clinton’s pay out to the women Billy supposedly did not have sexual contact with? How about the stories Billy had the Arkansas State Police bring Hookers to ole Billy Boy? If the stories are unproveable for Billy then the same goes for Trump.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 8, 2016 5:38 PM
Comment #408352

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWrlZ_WbjF8

Here you go, Warren Porter. Go to the 3:45 mark where she begins to describe the rape as it progressed.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 5:39 PM
Comment #408353

Grow up Warren. I can think of nothing reasonable to explain a near obsession for discussing a private conversation occurring eleven years ago between two men trash talking about women.

What is reasonable, and what you mistakenly describe as “disgusting in its allegation”, is Warren Porter trying desperately to convince himself that Trump must lose the election.

What I find “disgusting” Mr. Porter, is your approval of men and women using toilets and showers of the opposite gender. Privacy should be disregarded to favor those with a personality disorder.

What I find “disgusting” Mr. Porter, is your approval of a candidate for president who carelessly handles our nations secrets as Secretary of State, but promises not to be so careless as president.

Two men trash talking women in private presents absolutely no danger to me or the nation. Careless handling of classified information can kill.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 8, 2016 5:39 PM
Comment #408354

Defending the indefensible? WB conservatives are really covering themselves with glory over this one.

Sometimes a candidate is indefensible. Trump crossed that line. It does not matter how many times you point elsewhere, or try to change the subject, or claim both sides do it, therefore this is ok, because it is NOT ok. Period.

Trump is done. He should never have been the nominee in the first place, but it happened, and now, here we are. The question is simple: ‘what next?’

The Trump campaign will be essentially dead by the middle of next week. Yet it is too late to draft a new candidate. The ballots are already printed, early voting is happening, the absentee ballots are coming in. GOP Candidates can attempt to separate themselves from Trump, buy that risks losing the base of deplorables that nominated Trump in the first place. Still, pulling the plug on Trump and localizing the races to the maximum extent possible seems to be the best bet.

Conservatives, you brought this on yourselves, and you have no one- NO ONE- but yourselves to blame.

Posted by: phx8 at October 8, 2016 5:56 PM
Comment #408355

All this is subterfuge. It’s a distraction from the latest batch of emails from Wikileaks so conveniently released on the same day. We’ll have to wait for verification from a man who says he “doesn’t have time” to verify if they are authentic or not.


Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 5:57 PM
Comment #408356

OH…OH…it’s all over, the phx8 man has spoken.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 8, 2016 6:10 PM
Comment #408357

phx8, Like I said earlier you need to look at your candidate Hillary and the Idiots that nominated her. I don’t like either major party candidate but I will defend one if the allegations are ridiculous, and trash talk that is 11 years old between 2 adult men.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 8, 2016 6:12 PM
Comment #408359

Once again, this is not a matter of a lewd comment. It is a matter of sexual assault. The former may be rude or crass. The latter is simply criminal. Those who laugh this off as “trash talk” are not taking the issue seriously.

WW,
I knew you would bring up Juanita Broaddrick, which is why I already mentioned that there is no evidence that anything that she claim is true.

RF,
How can a man who brags about crimes he gets away with committing be someone you can trust to restore “law & order”?

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 8, 2016 6:58 PM
Comment #408360

What strikes me as strange is how readily Mr. Porter believes whatever Mr. Trump says in private is true; but calls Mr. Trump’s public statements lies.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 8, 2016 7:04 PM
Comment #408361

Where’s your victim, Warren Porter? This is pure slander and it’s beneath you to sink so low.

Where’s the witnesses to these sexual assaults, Warren Porter? Are they hiding behind a pile of Wikileaks emails?

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 7:10 PM
Comment #408362

Perhaps the FBI should investigate Weary…we know how non-political the Director is.

Problem is, there was plenty of evidence to charge Hillary and no evidence to charge Trump.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 8, 2016 7:12 PM
Comment #408363

Me thinks the republicans doth protest too much! Hillarious chickens roosting, crow eating and panicked pandering. Invest in popcorn futures!

Posted by: Speak4all at October 8, 2016 7:19 PM
Comment #408364

More wit and humor from an old fart who probably did the same talk when he was younger. Right Speaks?

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 8, 2016 7:25 PM
Comment #408365

My My, how convenient!


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/08/damaging-trump-tape-cast-even-more-uncertainty-on-house-senate-races.html

The Trump tape story exploded just as the Speaker’s Office touted President Obama signing into law “The Survivor’s Bill of Rights Act.”
It’s a measure to protect sexual assault survivors.

What timing! What are the chances the Wikileaks pause, the slander campaign, and a bill to protect sexual assault survivors, come out all at the same time?

This had to be in the works for quite a while.

Not only did they drag up David Duke again, they also are painting all Republicans by association as guilty as they’re painting Trump!

Obama finally kept a campaign promise. The Democratic Party is as transparent as a piece of glass when it comes to organizing their slander campaigns. We’ve seen it all before and it’s definitely not hard to spot.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 7:34 PM
Comment #408366

McCain is saying that he won’t vote for Drumpf now. Arizona is another Weed referendum state. The Weed Party candidate may get enough votes to give Arizona to Hillary Rodham Clinton, 45th President of The United States.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 8, 2016 7:41 PM
Comment #408368

McCain says that Pence should be the GOP candidate now.

Drumpf has hit the iceberg, he’s sinking at one end, and no one wants to be the last one into the lifeboats. Meanwhile, he’s re-arranging the deck chairs, while his current wife, running mate, and even tic tac, are condemning his words.

NBC was holding on to this tape, and didn’t intend to release it until after the debate, but someone decided to leak it to the Washington Post.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 8, 2016 8:24 PM
Comment #408370
What strikes me as strange is how readily Mr. Porter believes whatever Mr. Trump says in private is true; but calls Mr. Trump’s public statements lies.

Most people are able to develop a theory of mind by age 4, so I assume you are playing dumb here. Of course people who lie in public are willing to tell the truth when in private. Trump has nothing to gain from lying to Billy Bush.

Conservatives, you brought this on yourselves, and you have no one- NO ONE- but yourselves to blame.

I will remind everyone who thinks they might get away with blaming their support for Trump upon Clinton: Nobody forced you to reject the numerous 3rd party candidates, many of whom practice the very conservative values and principles you claim to espouse. By rejecting those candidates in favor of Donald Trump, people have shown their true colors. These are people who did not merely oppose the Democratic Party on ideological ground, but instead oppose it for reasons of bigotry.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 8, 2016 9:24 PM
Comment #408371

You’re really scraping the bottom of the barrel, Warren Porter.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 9:29 PM
Comment #408372

Where are the police reports for these crimes?

You are calling this a crime, Warren Porter. You have no evidence he sexually assaulted anyone. You are slandering Donald Trump. Planned ParentHood is slandering Donald Trump.

Now you interject bigotry into the mix. All of this has happened in a day. The media is hauling Trump’s dead corpse onto the cross of political correctness. The political class is weighing in and delivering their eulogy. It depends entirely on how long his dead body will burn for it all to end, right Warren Porter? You’ll finally be ended with him once the masses realize you’ve called him gone.


Posted by: Weary Willie at October 8, 2016 9:42 PM
Comment #408373

Warped, “Most people are able to develop a THEORY of mind by age 4,” Theory is just that Theory not FACT. People who lie in public also lie in private. Do you really think someone who lies in public wants the truth to get out if they tell it in private. “Trump has nothing to gain from lying to Billy Bush” He also has nothing to lose either, most men will exaggerate their sexual claims to other men, we did when I was in the Navy. IMO all this was, was 2 guys trying to impress each other, but after 11 years should have been long forgotten because all it has done is open Pandora’s Box. It may have hurt the Republicans but it may also turn around and bite the Democrats in the A** to. Hillary has S**T she wants to hide that may now be dug up. Instead of one candidate dropping out we might just see both drop out.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 8, 2016 9:45 PM
Comment #408377
Trump is done. He should never have been the nominee in the first place, but it happened, and now, here we are. The question is simple: ‘what next?’

But he should have, he was the best of the bunch. Well the bunch that made it past the first few rounds of cuts anyway. Could you imagine Ted Cruz as the nominee instead of Trump? Trump personifies the repub party as it is today, he got his extremist message out to the American people while Cruz just obfuscated. Trump has done the country a huge favor by exposing the conservatives/repubs for what they are. How can you fix a problem if you cannot identify the problem. Trump deserves credit for being real, putting it all out on the table and in our face.

Yes he made some damning sexual predator confessions a few years back that hurts him today. But he has apologized for his terrible advice actions and admissions, something our conservative friends seem to ignore.

Lets face it Trump could shoot someone and not lose votes. As sad as that may be our friends here on WB prove that. Look at the silly justifications, the lets blame others, what about Bill excuses. My God conservatives have you no shame? Trump at the least can own up to his mistakes.

Whats next, It is time for the American people to purge the repubs from public office. Send them scurrying back under the rocks they crawled out from. The dems need to step up to the plate and lead. Not take marching orders from their corporate sponsors. Meanwhile the repubs need to regroup and find political moderation once gain. Like Ike, only for this century.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 9, 2016 9:48 AM
Comment #408378

Trump will be forgiven because he was a Democratic 11 years ago.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 9, 2016 10:19 AM
Comment #408383

A message for the dregs of humanity that still support Trump. What is currently on display for all to see. Hillary Clinton provides a view of a candidate as a public servant while Trump provides a view of a candidate as a public disgrace. How many more times do you have to be wrong before you realize the utter despicableness you have been in support of?

Posted by: Speak4all at October 9, 2016 10:37 AM
Comment #408385

I don’t support the personality. I support the position.

And what hypocrisy we see on the left!

You say a Republican can’t be president because he said “pussy”, yet your only qualification for electing a Democratic is because she has one.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 9, 2016 11:21 AM
Comment #408386

Your October Surprise was a bust, a last ditch effort to slander your opponent. It was too predictable to have the effect you so desperately desire.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 9, 2016 11:58 AM
Comment #408387
Trump will be forgiven because he was a Democratic 11 years ago.

Weary, were that the reality of things…. Clinton was a Democratic 11 years ago as well. Have you found it in your heart to forgive her?

You say a Republican can’t be president because he said “pussy”,

Weary you seem to be glossing over the situation with this claim. Are you willing to concede there was a bit more to it than you would have us believe? Or have you boiled everything down as some justification to continue your support for the Donald?


yet your only qualification for electing a Democratic is because she has one.

“only” how uninformed are you Weary? This denial of reality is telling. You give Trump voters a bad name when you demonstrate such an uninformed opinion.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 9, 2016 12:10 PM
Comment #408388

It is amazing how the left gets all upset over Trump saying the word “Pussy” yet they forget back in 2008 some of them (I saw a picture of some leftys) with T Shirts with the words “Palin is a cunt”

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 9, 2016 12:45 PM
Comment #408389
You give Trump voters a bad name when you demonstrate such an uninformed opinion. Posted by: j2t2 at October 9, 2016 12:10 PM

Drumpf voters already have a bad name. The GOP has given up on him, so all he has now are the deplorable wing of the “independents”, Russian dupes, and robots who repeat 100% of whatever their programmers tell them to say. I wonder if Drumpf will even show up to the town hall debate.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 9, 2016 12:51 PM
Comment #408390

You are criticizing “whatever their programmers tell them to say”! That a laugh. You’re still repeating the Drumph comedy skit and using the word “deplorable” every chance you get. Rich KAPitan demonstrates the hypocrisy in this entire fiasco and you claim Trump supporters are dupes?

Humorous to say the least!

Forgive her for what, j2t2? What has Hillbilly done that needs forgiveness? Did she break the law? Was she extremely careless with government documents? Did she take bribes from foreign countries? Did she destroy evidence? Did she slander and malign rape victims? Did she “Crucify” her husband’s lovers?

Why does she need forgiven?

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 9, 2016 1:05 PM
Comment #408391

How soon Democratics forget they elected the current president, not on his qualifications, but because he was black. Something he had nothing to do with. Now they want us to forget Hillbilly’s a woman, but they will vote for her for the same reason they voted for the black guy. They’ll vote for her because she will “make history” as the first person to be elected president.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 9, 2016 1:08 PM
Comment #408392

I think the establishment is in shock because Trump supporters aren’t slinking away in shame. They’re mystified as to why their slander isn’t working.

Well, it’s because this is expected of Democratics and politicians in general. They can’t compete with ideas so they have to dig up and display the decade old utterances of a private citizen and splash it across the airwaves for what will be weeks instead of discussing the issues. They can’t discuss issues because they created the mess we’re in right now. They have to maintain the mess we’re in now to remain relevant and most likely to stay out of jail.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 9, 2016 1:17 PM
Comment #408393

Just remember, it was Democratics who insisted slavery be maintained on a one-for-one state bases right up until this country embroiled itself in a civil war.

Electing a Democratic now will keep us on that same trajectory.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 9, 2016 1:21 PM
Comment #408395

Weary…I must correct one statement you made. Obama is the real “pus*y”; not Clinton.

Just imagine how weak a president of the US is to allow the Russians to place surface-to-air missiles in Syria. Aleppo will be destroyed. The UN security Council resolution to halt air attacks was vetoes by Russia.

At least if Trump or Hillary is elected I believe they will have the “balls” to deal with Putin…unlike the wiener obama.

If the election centers around the language used in private by a candidate it will merely indicate how low, greedy and stupid the American electorate has become.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 9, 2016 3:04 PM
Comment #408396

Would any of my liberal Pals care to discuss and compare the private WORDS of Trump with the actual ACTIONS of Bill Clinton regarding the lack of respect and abuse of women?

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 9, 2016 3:12 PM
Comment #408397

Royal, How about the words of Hillary that I have seen plastered all over facebook. I’m sure if the RNC would dig they could find some juicy stuff that Hillary has said. The point is we all say things in private and have some pretty racy conversations both men and women. If these conversation disqualified people from holding office then D.C. and the State and Local governments would be VACANT.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 9, 2016 3:23 PM
Comment #408398

Mark Burnett’s office isn’t returning calls from the AP and others about the videos that they have of Drumpf’s rotten abusive behavior on the set of the whatever Apprentice show that Drumpf was on. They’re hiding behind their lawyers, like NBC was doing before the tape was leaked.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 9, 2016 3:26 PM
Comment #408399

Rich, I believe conservatives understand the reluctance of the Republican Party, and many of its elites, to go all out in support of Trump.

They were just as reluctant in supporting Reagan in his first run although I dislike using Reagan in the same comment as Trump.

Both Reagan and Trump represented a threat to the status quo. The Party, at the national level, and its elites lust for power and the money it attracts.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 9, 2016 3:42 PM
Comment #408400

Even Drumpf’s surrogates, the flying monkeys, are dropping him now. News organizations are having difficulty getting people to come on their shows to defend or explain anything, except Nosferatu Ghouliani and deranged Clinton haters whose only contributions are to say the opposite of the truth.

The Access Hollywood tape may have been leaked directly by NBC, since they reported it about 10 minutes after the Washington Post story broke.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 9, 2016 3:53 PM
Comment #408401

Hillary Clinton defended her man Billy even while he was abusing women beginning when he was governor. Tonight, she will decry a man simply for trash talking women in a private conversation.

What else could we expect from a Clinton. Hypocrisy comes easy to this family.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 9, 2016 4:17 PM
Comment #408402

j2t2,
“… It is time for the American people to purge the repubs from public office. Send them scurrying back under the rocks they crawled out from. The dems need to step up to the plate and lead. Not take marching orders from their corporate sponsors. Meanwhile the repubs need to regroup and find political moderation once gain. Like Ike, only for this century.”

Well said. Conservatives took over the GOP, and they need to be held accountable. Trump is the direct result of their policies. He offers an unusually gruesome example of the War on Women, but he is not alone.

Conservatives ignored his Birtherism in the 2012 campaign because it was aimed at Obama and the black minority. They ignored his racist and bigoted comments about Mexicans because they were just another minority. Attacking Muslims was easy. There were not that many of them, although Khan certainly whaled on them. It was not until the target was women, and so indisputably, undeniably ugly, that conservatives developed cold feet for Trump.

The Trump supporters- the deplorables- still stand behind him. There is literally nothing Trump can say or do that would dissuade them. They have been conditioned by FOX and Breitbart and Limbaugh and Hannity and others. They embraced the hatertainers and propagandists. They embraced conspiracy theories of every ilk, whether it involved the economy, Global Warming, whether Obama is an American citizen or Christian, and so on. Now they can not change. They can only make pathetic justifications for sexual predation, or point elsewhere, or try to change the subject.

They have no one- NO ONE- but themselves to blame. Trump is not a bug. He is a feature. Time to deal with it.

Posted by: phx8 at October 9, 2016 4:21 PM
Comment #408403

There is also a fundamental miscalculation among some Trump supporters about how women react to that video and a Trump. There are guys like Trump in the work place- too many. They use their positions of power to sexually prey on women. They think they can get away with it because they are “a star” or whatever. A lot of women know guys like Trump, and they absolutely despise him.

That was NOT locker room banter. I played a lot of basketball, and no one ever said the kinds of things Trump said, claiming their star status entitled them to do anything they wanted. I was in the military too, living in an alert facility every third week with over 50 men, and no one ever talked like that, claiming their rank entitled them to prey on women.

Trump demonstrated himself to be utterly unfit to be president.

But he demonstrated that before now, with his Birtherism and myriad comments on Mexicans and others. This one just hit a little closer to home.

Posted by: phx8 at October 9, 2016 4:34 PM
Comment #408404

Deseret News:

For 80 years, the Deseret News has not entered into the troubled waters of presidential endorsement. We are neutral on matters of partisan politics. We do, however, feel a duty to speak clearly on issues that affect the well-being and morals of the nation. Accordingly, today we call on Donald Trump to step down from his pursuit of the American presidency. In democratic elections, ideas have consequences, leadership matters and character counts. The idea that women secretly welcome the unbridled and aggressive sexual advances of powerful men has led to the mistreatment, sorrow and subjugation of countless women for far too much of human history. The notion that strength emanates from harsh, divisive and unbending rhetorical flourish mistakenly equates leadership with craven intimidation. The belief that the party and the platform matter more than the character of the candidate ignores the wisdom of the ages that, “when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.” (Proverbs 29:2) We understand that politicians and presidential candidates are human and that everyone makes mistakes. We do not believe that what is expressed in an unguarded moment of conversation should be the full measure of an individual. And we unquestionably support the principle that people deserve forgiveness, compassion and a second chance. But history affirms that leaders’ examples either elevate or demean the lives of those being led. When choosing the ostensible leader of the free world, the American electorate requires the clear assurance that their chosen candidate will consistently put the well-being of others ahead of his or her own personal gratification. The most recent revelations of Trump’s lewdness disturb us not only because of his vulgar objectification of women, but also because they poignantly confirm Trump’s inability to self-govern.
Posted by: oraoghaile at October 9, 2016 4:36 PM
Comment #408405

NYT, on Drump’f sexual assault of Jill Harth:

Jill Harth’s first concern with Donald Trump’s hands wasn’t that they were small. It’s that they were everywhere. Harth and her longtime boyfriend were in meetings with Trump to forge a business partnership. “He was relentless,” Harth recalled in an interview, describing how on Dec. 12, 1992, he took the couple to dinner and a club — and then situated himself beside Harth and ran his hands up her skirt, to her crotch. “I didn’t know how to handle it. I would go away from him and say I have to go to the restroom. It was the escape route.”
Posted by: oraoghaile at October 9, 2016 4:41 PM
Comment #408406

phx8, Maybe in the Air Force you guys were WUSSYS but the Navy sure had it’s so called Locker Room banter, with women allowed on ships now it is probably worse. As far as rank goes it never played entitlement.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 9, 2016 4:43 PM
Comment #408407

oraoghaile, Your golden girl ain’t no angel as far as putting women down and her husband is a predator. So before you start pointing fingers at Trump’s misconduct with women why don’t you look at the A**holes your party puts up.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 9, 2016 4:48 PM
Comment #408408

Chris Christie is staying away from Drumpf now. Reince Priebus refused to go on the sunday morning shows, so they were stuck with Ghouliani.

340 electoral votes is the current count for Hillary Rodham Clinton, 45th President of The United States. Almost no GOP official believes that Drumpf will be elected.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 9, 2016 6:54 PM
Comment #408409

I only hear from politicians! Where are the private citizens? You guys are going to be gobsmacked when you find out your opinion isn’t going to carry the day.

Donald Trump is not a politician. He’s not going to lay down like a good whipped Republican. He’s not afraid of the media, and a wounded animal fights its hardest.


Posted by: Weary Willie at October 9, 2016 7:43 PM
Comment #408414
Donald Trump is not a politician.

Nor a statesman Weary, However in the debate tonight he claimed he is a politician.Just what we need an amateur politician in the office of president.


He’s not going to lay down like a good whipped Republican.

So how does a “good whipped repub” lay down Weary? Would you consider his apology for his “locker room talk” laying down? I thought he laid down quite the line of BS tonight.


He’s not afraid of the media, and a wounded animal fights its hardest.


Of course he isn’t, he is a master manipulator who uses the media. Now wounded animal seems appropriate as these old tapes comes to light and he threatens he would get a special prosecutor to put Hillary in jail. I would think every conservative is frothing at the mouth over this, like an animal.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 9, 2016 11:02 PM
Comment #408416

In other news, Steven Woolfe, a UKIP party member in Strasbourg, got into a fight at a meeting, and is in hospital. UKIP is their version of the Tea Party idiots here. So that’s probably what we have to look forward to.

The debate was great. The moderators didn’t take any of Drumpf’s nonsense, but they couldn’t get him to answer questions while he was rambling on about whatever came into his head. He looked like exactly what he is, a delusional idiot, who has nothing left but mudslinging and dredging up lies from the 1990s.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 9, 2016 11:15 PM
Comment #408424

The moment somebody throws their hat in the ring, they are a politician. He as much admitted that tonight.

Oh, and really, locker-room banter? I could get that if he were saying, “Ah it’s so easy to talk them into bed, just take them to dinner, wine and dine them, tell them they’re beautiful.” Or, “I had this fantastic piece of *** last night, she was just so wild… Well, you know, a man’s got needs!” Or, “Oh she just had me going for just so long, I swear, I was singing hallelujah at the end”

Saying that he could just grab women by the privates and kiss them even if they didn’t want it, and he could get away with it because he was a celebrity… that’s something more than that, and I feel insulted as a man that men like you think that describing sexual assault in such positive terms is your idea of healthy masculine behavior.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at October 10, 2016 12:27 AM
Comment #408426

Access Hollywood did an explanatory video about the audio in question:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=—6QO-Ewml0

I cross posted this in the wrong column a minute ago.

Posted by: oraoghaile at October 10, 2016 12:40 AM
Comment #408428

Your link doesn’t work.

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 10, 2016 9:18 AM
Comment #408429

Can we get a victim, Stephen Daugherty? Your kingdom for a victim!

Posted by: Weary Willie at October 10, 2016 9:21 AM
Comment #408433

WW, Stephen wouldn’t last a minute in the Navy I was in 40 years ago as with the rest of these poor offended lib/progressive Dems.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 10, 2016 9:43 AM
Comment #408435

Just to be clear, most men do not talk about sexually assaulting women. They do not claim they can do anything they want because they are a star, or whatever. That is not locker room talk. It is just plain wrong. No decent human being would pretend otherwise.

Posted by: phx8 at October 10, 2016 11:13 AM
Comment #408437

oraoghaile,

MoveabeType converted two hyphens (—) into an emdash (—), thereby breaking your link. I have fixed it for you. You can avoid this in the future by formatting your hyperlinks explicitly with HTML.

Everyone,

Conor Friedersdorf has an excellent explanation why this isn’t mere locker room banter:

For most people, locker-room talk alludes to expressing vulgar equivalents of “I want to have sex with that woman” or “let me brag about the sex I had.” This is common enough behavior for men in their teens and 20s, but far less so from a 59-year-old with a wife and two-daughters (though Trump’s creepy “locker-room talk” about Ivanka, giving Howard Stern permission to call her “a piece of ass,” hardly suggests a typical paternal attitude.) But bragging about impulsively grabbing the genitals of women without their permission is not typical locker room talk, among men of any age. Had Hillary Clinton claimed otherwise a week ago, she would’ve been denounced by much of the right side of the political spectrum for slandering men.

Just to reiterate, unlike a normal locker-room conversation, Trump did not brag about a consensual sexual encounter. Nor did he articulate a desire for a future consensual sexual encounter. He specifically admitted that his standard MO is to grope an attractive woman when he meets here. He justifies this abhorrence by asserting that his stardom means he is above the law.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 10, 2016 11:28 AM
Comment #408457

Where’s the proof of your slander, Warren Porter? Where are the women who have come forward?

(crickets)

Who are these women who have been assaulted by Trump as they pass him on the sidewalk?


Posted by: Weary Willie at October 10, 2016 4:52 PM
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