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The Rise and Fall of the Alt Right

Recently a new description has emerged to the new philosophy that has taken over the Republican Party. This philosophy, being new, is still only loosely defined. Hillary Clinton described it as “a paranoid fringe in our politics, steeped in racial resentment.” Terms applied to the Alt Right include racism, racialism, white supremacists, and white nationalists. The Wall Street Journal describes it as a movement that “rejects mainstream conservatism, promotes nationalism and views immigration and multiculturalism as threats to white identity.” Unlike traditional conservatism or republicanism, the Alt Right sees the most fundamental conflict being between globalism and nativism (or nationalism). As a result, it can contribute to militarism and imperialism, which created the toxic stew that led to previous world wars.

It seems likely Trump will lose in a landslide. The GOP will almost certainly lose the Senate, and maybe even the House. What will this mean for the future of the Alt Right? Will it end with Trump? Will it suffer the fate of the Birchers, disappear for a few decades, and reappear somewhere down the line, or will it be strong enough to persist into the next election cycles?

Posted by phx8 at August 26, 2016 3:50 PM
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After I type in the title, shouldn’t I be able to click on the body and type in the first few paragraphs?

Posted by: phx8 at August 26, 2016 5:03 PM
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It seems likely Trump will lose in a landslide. The GOP will almost certainly lose the Senate, and maybe even the House. What will this mean for the future of the Alt Right? Will it end with Trump? Will it suffer the fate of the Birchers, disappear for a few decades, and reappear somewhere down the line, or will it be strong enough to persist into the next election cycles? Posted by phx8 at August 26, 2016 3:50 PM

The internet will keep the alt right alive, because there are plenty of corners for them to hide in. They are now the driving force behind the Rpblcn party, and getting their views widely aired thanks to Rupert Murdoch’s billions. People should actually try to learn something from history, and not give these proto-brown-shirts the publicity they crave.

Posted by: oraoghaile at August 26, 2016 7:31 PM
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Confusingly, moveable type calls the teaser paragraph the “body” and the rest of the essay “extended”. Type only what you want to appear on the main page in the body box and put the rest under extended.

Posted by: Warren Porter at August 26, 2016 7:31 PM
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It really was remarkable, the subtlety and superb strategy Hillary Clinton employed in last night’s speech about the Alt Right and Trump.

“A fringe element has effectively taken over the Republican Party.”

“Twenty years ago, when Bob Dole accepted the Republican nomination, he pointed to the exits and told any racists in the Party to get out.

The week after 9/11, George W. Bush went to a mosque and declared for everyone to hear that Muslims “love America just as much as I do.”

In 2008, John McCain told his own supporters they were wrong about the man he was trying to defeat. Senator McCain made sure they knew – Barack Obama is an American citizen and “a decent person.”

Hillary is splitting Trump and the Alt Right from traditional conservatives and Republicans. She never asked them to vote for her. She asked them to look at Trump, and she presented her case by quoting Trump’s own words and actions. She did it without resorting to shouting or hyperbole. It was incredibly effective.

This approach runs a real risk. Many on the left want to see Hillary tie the Trump anchor to traditional conservatives and Republicans, and sink them all together. Instead, she is aiming at Trump, and cutting bait the down ticket piece go for now.

It is a good strategy, despite the risk. Most likely, traditional conservatives and Republicans will walk away from the down ticket races in large enough numbers to make the approach successful.

Curiously, both campaigns stepped on it at the same time. Trump was so busy gyrating over his now up-in-the-air immigration policy that the networks actually paid more intention to his flip-flop than HRC’s speech. And Trump buried whatever story was supposed to be there concerning the latest fake scandal being pushed by turning into a squish over immigration, of all things. I have no idea what he actually wants to do anymore, and apparently, neither does he.

Posted by: phx8 at August 26, 2016 11:03 PM
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So what is with this “alt right” tag? I mean there are many conservatives, not in the KKK and other extremist groups, who tell us America is a Christian nation and want blacks excluded from… well anything. It isn’t just the extremist that tell us Obama is a Muslim from Kenya. It isn’t just the far right extremist that want to exclude anyone else from entering the country. Faux News is an example of mainstream conservative bias, IMHO.

IMHO this “alt right” tag is just another cover for conservatism from Rupert’s new propaganda outlet, the WSJ. WHat am I missing?

Posted by: j2t2 at August 30, 2016 11:30 AM
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That was my initial reaction to the term Alt Right, but I think it does apply to a distinct portion of conservatism and the GOP. Tea Party might be close to being synonymous, but the Tea Party became so horribly unpopular, no one wanted to be associated with it anymore. In one poll of favorability years ago, the Tea Party ranked below Muslims and Atheists.

The Neocons no longer have a home in the conservative movement. Iraq made them as unpopular as the Tea Party. The National Review crowd, George Will, and movement conservatism also lost their home. It turned out to be a bunch of generals with no army.

There are Christian Supremacists, Dominionists, who might be considered yet another separate faction. Kelly Anne Conway is a good example, maybe Ted Cruz. They are every bit as bonkers as the White Supremacists, White Nationalists, racists, or racialists- take your pick- but the Dominionists are more concerned about social issues, and less interested in blatant racism. They direct their hatred at non-Christians. It’s not really a racial thing.

FOX News is in a funny transitional phase. They lost a lot of their female cast due to all the sexual harassment at the hands of Roger Ailes, Bill O’Reilly, and others. Hannity, meanwhile, went full Trumper. He is a full-time conspiracy machine these days, totally unhinged. Hannity makes the conservatism of Megyn Kelly look almost quaint, with her statements about Jesus being white and whatnot.

The Alt Right could be considered the old conservatism, but without the dog whistles. It stresses hatred of illegal immigrants, Mexicans, blacks, women, and foreigners in general. The Alt Right gives lip service to low taxes, low spending, small government, but in truth they just don’t care. They are all about racism and nativism, but unlike the old conservatism, they REALLY mean it.

Posted by: phx8 at August 30, 2016 12:30 PM
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My God, what a jaundiced mind both phx8 and j2t2 have to write such comments.

Better yet, brain-dead comes to mind.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 30, 2016 2:21 PM
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On Mexicans: “They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.”

On John McCain: “He’s not a war hero. He’s a war hero because he was captured. I like people that weren’t captured.”

“I know more about ISIS than the generals do. Believe me.”

Mocking and spastically jerking around: “Now this poor guy, you ought to see this guy.”

“Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.”

“When people call you brilliant, it’s always good, especially when the person heads up Russia.” (Putin called Trump ‘flamboyant,’ not ‘brilliant.’

Encouraging violence towards protestors at a rally: “So if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you?”

Advocating a war crime: “I would bring back waterboarding, and I’d bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding.”

“I don’t know anything about David Duke. O.K.? I don’t know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists.”

“Look at those hands, are they small hands? And, he referred to my hands — ‘If they’re small, something else must be small.’ I guarantee you there’s no problem. I guarantee.”

“I’ve been treated very unfairly by this judge. Now, this judge is of Mexican heritage. I’m building a wall, O.K.? I’m building a wall.”

“President Obama claims to know our enemy, and yet he continues to prioritize our enemy over our allies and, for that matter, the American people. When I am president, it will always be America first.”

On no longer honoring NATO treaty obligations: “If we cannot be properly reimbursed for the tremendous cost of our military protecting other countries … then yes, I would be absolutely prepared to tell those countries, ‘Congratulations, you will be defending yourself.’”

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing.”

About Mrs. Khan: “If you look at his wife, she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably — maybe she wasn’t allowed to have anything to say. You tell me.”

“If she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. Although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”

“He’s the founder of ISIS. He’s the founder of ISIS. He’s the founder. He founded ISIS. I would say the co-founder would be crooked Hillary Clinton.”

A few choice quotes from Donald Trump in just the past year, assembled by the NYT.

Posted by: phx8 at August 30, 2016 2:58 PM
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I’m glad you guys finally got your bullcrap in the Dem column where it belongs.

Now all you need is a mirror so you can have an audience.

Posted by: Weary Willie at August 30, 2016 7:52 PM
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From the LA Times today:

There is a diversity of views among the self-described alt-right. But the one unifying sentiment is racism — or what they like to call “racialism” or “race-realism.” In the words of one alt-right leader, Jared Taylor, “the races are not equal and equivalent.” On Monday, Taylor asserted on “The Diane Rehm Show” that racialism is the one issue that unites alt-righters.

If you read the writings of leading alt-righters it is impossible to come to any other conclusion. Some are avowed white supremacists, some eschew talk of supremacy and instead focus on the need for racial separation to protect “white identity.” But one can’t talk about the alt-right knowledgeably without recognizing their racism.

And yet that is exactly what some conservatives seem intent on doing. For example, my friend Hugh Hewitt, the talk radio host, has been arguing that there is a “narrow” alt-right made up of a “execrable anti-Semitic, white supremacist fringe” but there is also “broad alt-right” — made up of frustrated tea partiers and others who are simply hostile to the GOP establishment and any form of immigration reform that falls short of mass deportation.

from: LA Times

Posted by: oraoghaile at August 30, 2016 7:54 PM
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My God, what a jaundiced mind both phx8 and j2t2 have to write such comments.

Better yet, brain-dead comes to mind.

Royal can you be more specific? What exactly do you take exception to? Myself I think the death of the Tea Party is premature as they still seem to be making Congress the do nothing Congress.

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