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FBI: Clinton not recommended for prosecution

James Comey delivered remarks today announcing that the FBI would not recommend criminal prosecution against Hillary Clinton. Even though she violated policies and procedures meant to safeguard American secrets, there was no intent or malice behind her poor decision-making. Rather, carelessness seems to be the theme.

I maintain the same position that I adopted before. I do not believe her actions were worthy of criminal prosecution, but the negligence exhibited totally abrogates any claim to be an "experienced" candidate. The reason we value experience in our elected officials is because this experience is supposed to inform his or her judgement. After all what is the point of experience if the official still makes the mistakes of a neophyte.

Personally, I think this whole affair disqualifies HRC from the Presidency. Presidents need to to treat their obligations with respect and dignity and HRC has demonstrated that she is unable to do this. In addition to mishandling classified information, Clinton's claims that none of her emails contained classified information is now revealed to be lies:

110 e-mails in 52 e-mail chains have been determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received. Eight of those chains contained information that was Top Secret at the time they were sent; 36 chains contained Secret information at the time; and eight contained Confidential information, which is the lowest level of classification.

In addition:

With respect to the thousands of e-mails we found that were not among those produced to State, agencies have concluded that three of those were classified at the time they were sent or received, one at the Secret level and two at the Confidential level. There were no additional Top Secret e-mails found. Finally, none of those we found have since been "up-classified."

Now, some people have alleged that HRC and her aides had intentionally withheld certain work-related emails from the FOIA releases, perhaps to cover-up malfeasance regarding the attack on the American consulate in Benghazi 4 years ago. However, Comey put those rumors to rest, saying that the FBI did not believe there was an effort to obstruct Justice.

Posted by Warren Porter at July 5, 2016 11:23 AM
Comments
Comment #405774

Facts:
Clinton mishandled classified information.
Clinton obstructed a government investigation.
Clinton lied numerous times in trying to cover her a$$.
Clinton received special treatment. “Carelessness” costs the average person their career. Obstructing and lying costs most people their freedom.

Clinton and her supporters are the epitome of hypocrisy.

Posted by: kctim at July 5, 2016 12:04 PM
Comment #405775

The FBI has reported that Clinton mishandled classified information, but there is zero evidence that she obstructed a government investigation. Today, Clinton is not a government employee, so whether or not Clinton gets special treatment is up to us voters. I agree that carelessness ought to be a career-ending. This kind old grandma needs to retire.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 5, 2016 12:09 PM
Comment #405782

She refused to turn over material relative to the case, she stalled, and she provided false information. That is obstruction.

She has already received special treatment throughout the entire investigation, treatment that the average person would not get. The sheep have no say about it.

“I agree that carelessness ought to be a career-ending.”

It is and has been career-ending for most. A special case was made for her simply because of who she is.

Posted by: kctim at July 5, 2016 1:24 PM
Comment #405785
She refused to turn over material relative to the case, she stalled, and she provided false information

False. HRC has fully complied with every request from those investigating her.

She has already received special treatment throughout the entire investigation, treatment that the average person would not get. The sheep have no say about it.
I can’t comment on what other people experience under similar circumstances but my observation is that the FBI did not give her any leeway that they wouldn’t have given you or me.
It is and has been career-ending for most. A special case was made for her simply because of who she is.

HRC is not currently a government employee so government officials have no say about the future of her career. If the voters select HRC to be our next President, then yes, she will have been the recipient of special treatment, but the blame for that lies on the shoulders of everyday Americans, not officials in Washington.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 5, 2016 5:33 PM
Comment #405791

It’s a shame that even some Dems have been brainwashed enough to believe that HRC has done something different from other people that somehow disqualifies her to become POTUS. I guess this is really the third Right Wing Column.

Posted by: ohrealy at July 5, 2016 6:37 PM
Comment #405792

ohrealy,

What Presidential candidate before HRC has been rebuked by the FBI for mishandling classified information?

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 5, 2016 6:41 PM
Comment #405796

What other Presidential candidate has been investigated over and over again for almost 20 years, all for nothing except to satisfy the agenda of YOUR Vast Right Wing Conspiracy?

Posted by: ohrealy at July 5, 2016 7:52 PM
Comment #405799

HRC mishandled classified documents. That’s no conspiracy, it is the conclusion of James Comey. If she were still employed by the government, she would be facing administrative and security sanctions. These are also the words of James Comey.

I respect Comey and I believe his approach has been fair and apolitical. Do you question his integrity?

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 5, 2016 8:49 PM
Comment #405800

Would like to know if Hillary still retains a security clearance and is still receiving classified materials.

And, what about the staffers who knew they were allowing classified materials to pass from the classified communications system to a personal communications system?

Will there be any legal actions against these folks?

Will the next secstate be allowed to operate a personal commo system? Does national security mean anything to the DOS?

Lotsa questions here - - -

Otherwise - - -

Posted by: roy ellis at July 5, 2016 9:21 PM
Comment #405802
Hillary still retains a security clearance and is still receiving classified materials.

She isn’t employed by the US government or working on any government contracts so I doubt it.

And, what about the staffers who knew they were allowing classified materials to pass from the classified communications system to a personal communications system?

Will there be any legal actions against these folks?


If HRC manages to win November’s election, it will be interesting to see if she nominates Jake Sullivan to her cabinent. If Republicans continue to control the Senate, his behavior might not earn their consent.
Will the next secstate be allowed to operate a personal commo system? Does national security mean anything to the DOS?
John Kerry has already changed things so that this never happens again. Unlike his predecessors, Kerry’s @state.gov email account is his exclusive account for unclassified work-related emails. Posted by: Warren Porter at July 5, 2016 9:37 PM
Comment #405804

Then maybe John Kerry should be running for president. At least he can read the writing on the wall.

Clinton is just an embarrassment.

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 6, 2016 12:43 AM
Comment #405808

Maybe you should have voted for him 12 years ago.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 6, 2016 8:48 AM
Comment #405809

What really drove HRC to use an unsecure server? It was a desire to keep her communications away from the right wing hate groups that can make a scandal out of anything. Just as they managed to corner Bill under oath, their all consuming hate is the force that reinforces itself.

Posted by: Schwamp at July 6, 2016 8:54 AM
Comment #405810

That’s right, Democratics are as clean as the wind driven snow. It was Republicans who made Clinton screw an intern in the Oval Office and the vast right wing conspiracy made him lie under oath about it!

Poor Bill, his angel wings are ruffled by those darn conservatives!

Posted by: Weary Willie at July 6, 2016 9:04 AM
Comment #405811
What really drove HRC to use an unsecure server? It was a desire to keep her communications away from the right wing hate groups that can make a scandal out of anything. Just as they managed to corner Bill under oath, their all consuming hate is the force that reinforces itself.

Probably true, but this cure ended up more dangerous than the disease. If these 30,000 emails had been hosted on State’s own servers, they’d been the purview of the Benghazi committee, but the controversy would have died with last week’s nothingburger report.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 6, 2016 9:20 AM
Comment #405812

“HRC has fully complied with every request from those investigating her.”

No, she hasn’t. She deleted half of the requested material, she stalled in producing them and she lied to cover her a$$.

“I can’t comment on what other people experience under similar circumstances but my observation is that the FBI did not give her any leeway that they wouldn’t have given you or me.”

Your observation is clouded by politics and not based on any experience with classified information. For you or I, intent would only have been used to determine the severity of punishment, not to excuse our actions as has been done for Hillary.

“HRC is not currently a government employee so government officials have no say about the future of her career.”

The proper punishment for mishandling classified material would disqualify her from certain future positions in government.

“If the voters select HRC to be our next President, then yes, she will have been the recipient of special treatment, but the blame for that lies on the shoulders of everyday Americans, not officials in Washington.”

The blame lies solely on the shoulders of those who failed her accountable for mishandling classified information: government officials in Washington.
Comey verified that she intentionally lied and that she mishandled classified information, but swipes it all under the rug because he says he can’t prove criminal intent? That is BS, Warren. Unfortunately, the few million who have experience dealing with classified information are vastly outnumbered by those who only care about gay-marriage, abortion, more government freebies and getting rid of the 2nd Amendment.

Posted by: kctim at July 6, 2016 9:49 AM
Comment #405813

Self proclaimed experts in the field of classified information abound. Really?

Looking forward to the conventions and the nomination process. It is great to see President Obama, Vice President Biden and Senator Warren stumping for HRC. Let’s see what happens at the conventions next, that will be the big story. Trump doesn’t seem to generate that camaraderie with some Republicans, I am not surprised.

Benghazi and the email scandal are over although these conspiracies will remain painful for those that invested so much in their desired outcome, that did not come to fruition. I had no investment in either exoneration or indictment so I am pleased so far with the outcome. The next four months will be something to watch, but for my part, I’m with her.

Posted by: Speak4all at July 6, 2016 10:03 AM
Comment #405814
She deleted half of the requested material

James Comey said:

I should add here that we found no evidence that any of the additional work-related e-mails were intentionally deleted in an effort to conceal them.

not to excuse our actions as has been done for Hillary.

Did you even read Comey’s remarks? He condemned her for “extreme carelessness”. That’s no excuse. Indeed, he said that if she were still a govt employee she would undoubtedly be facing administrative sanctions, which I would read as losing her job.

mishandling classified material would disqualify her from certain future positions in government.

I think it is safe to say that her actions have disqualified her from certain future positions in government. Nobody who did what she did would be even considered for any civil service position related to national security. The problem is that she is seeking a job as an elected official, not as a civil servant. That means there is no hiring manager to toss her application out. Instead, that it is our responsibility to do that ourselves.

Comey verified that she intentionally lied and that she mishandled classified information, but swipes it all under the rug because he says he can’t prove criminal intent? That is BS, Warren

You think Comey is a bullshitter? No, he is an experienced prosecutor who served as deputy attorney general under Ashcroft. He knows the case law and he knows that there is not enough evidence to demonstrate gross negligence or hostile intent.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 6, 2016 10:15 AM
Comment #405828

I did indeed read his remarks, Warren.

You stated: “HRC has fully complied with every request from those investigating her.”

Those investigating her requested her emails and she only gave them the emails she wanted to give them. That is not ‘fully complying’ with the request.

“The problem is that she is seeking a job as an elected official, not as a civil servant.”

Mishandling classified material can disqualify an individual from holding office.

“He knows the case law and he knows that there is not enough evidence to demonstrate gross negligence or hostile intent.”

Opinions on the lack of foreseeable grave injury or harm does not excuse her actions, Warren. She mishandled classified information, lied about it, and should be held accountable.
To write it all off because of ‘intent’, does a great disservice to the country.

In the coming weeks and months, there will be plenty of examples of others being held accountable for doing the same thing.

Posted by: kctim at July 6, 2016 11:50 AM
Comment #405829
the emails she wanted to give them

The word “want” implies intent. Comey says the failure to deliver all relevant emails was unintentional.

Mishandling classified material can disqualify an individual from holding office.

That is for us voters to decide. Nothing in our laws prevents someone like HRC from running though.

Opinions on the lack of foreseeable grave injury or harm does not excuse her actions, Warren. She mishandled classified information, lied about it, and should be held accountable. To write it all off because of ‘intent’, does a great disservice to the country.

Again, Comey did not excuse Clinton’s actions. To the contrary, he said that she would have received administrative and security sanctions had she still been a US govt employee. Now, it is voters’ turn to look at the facts and make a decision. I have made mine: HRC is not fit to be President of the US and I will not be voting for her in November. Right now, I’m leaning towards Gary Johnson, but that may change as the campaign progresses.

Attacking James Comey’s integrity is not going to do anything but help HRC become President.

Posted by: Warren Porter at July 6, 2016 1:04 PM
Comment #405838
Right now, I’m leaning towards Gary Johnson
Thank you for admitting that you are a right wing Rplcn, in agreement with other Rpblcns, like Comey(“no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case”). Enough Sais. Your agenda is clear. You should write in the “Third Party and Independent” Rplcn column if you don’t want to go all the way over to the red column. Posted by: ohrealy at July 6, 2016 5:42 PM
Comment #405842

Oh boy not satisfied with the results conservatives are now all in a tizzy wanting to investigate the FBI! Seems the plot they hatched, the big Hillary implosion they have set as their goal is fading into the ethereal mist of conservative conspiracy theories. To bad you can’t run on issues conservatives, on accomplishments.

So the little boys who cried wolf for so long have no credibility as they investigate forever. To bad witch hunts and the millions spent on witch hunts aren’t considered accomplishments or you guys could be sitting on top of the world.. oh… except …. Trump was your best guy!

Wonder how you guys will react when he is charged by the FBI with all these underage girl charges from the 90’s?

Anyway I don’t like Hillary and would prefer an option to voting for her but I am starting to feel for her as repubs continue to spread the myths. Oh the email thing has merit! Who would believe you after crying wolf for so long? Attacking the FBI is as desperate a move as we have seen so far, you should be embarrassed for your team.

Posted by: j2t2 at July 6, 2016 7:31 PM
Comment #405843

Ohrealy,

My motivation for supporting Johnson was his selection of William Weld as his running mate. Weld was a good governor for MA despite being a Republican. Even though I oppose the Democratic nominee, I am still a liberal and I am committed to voting for the most liberal candidate. I do not believe HRC to epitomize the liberal values on which this nation was founded as much as the Johnson/Weld ticket does.

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