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Benghazi Nothingburger

The House Select Committee on Benghazi released its report. It doesn’t say much that we didn’t already know.

In summary:

--No "stand down" orders were ever issued by Obama or his cabinent
--The lack of security was a result of inadequate Congressional funding despite repeated requests from the State Department
--The lack of any mobilization to assist the two former Navy SEALS was mostly due to poor situational positioning on the part of the DoD with many assets scattered across Europe.

There's little else to say.

Posted by Warren Porter at June 29, 2016 12:33 PM
Comments
Comment #405681


So the morons on the right spent the last 4 years and 7 million dollars to throw sticks in the spokes of the administration.

I wonder just how much money has been appropriated by them during that same time to make our embassies safer.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at June 29, 2016 1:12 PM
Comment #405682

Warren, it is incredible that you would link to a report which you then proceed to totally mischaracterize. Grow up my friend.

Posted by: Royal Flush at June 29, 2016 3:12 PM
Comment #405687

From page I-89:

According to the Secretary, within an hour of his return to the Pentagon,
he issued an order to deploy the identified assets.281 The testimony of
record is that the President’s direction that night was clear: use all of the
resources available to try to make sure we did everything possible to try
to save lives there.282 When asked whether he expected or needed the
President to later extrapolate, clarify, or reissue that order, the Secretary
said “no.”
283 The Secretary insisted he understood the President’s directive
and no further communication with the President was necessary.
Nor did any further communication with the President take place.
Similarly, the Secretary insists his own intentions and actions that night,
in the aftermath of the President’s orders, were also clear: deploy the
identified assets immediately. The Secretary said his orders were active
tense. “My orders were to deploy those forces, period.…[I]t was very
clear: They are to deploy.”
284 He did not order the preparation to deploy
or the planning to deploy or the contemplation of deployment. His unequivocal
testimony was that he ordered the identified assets to “deploy.”
285

I don’t see a “stand down” order, do you?

Posted by: Warren Porter at June 29, 2016 4:50 PM
Comment #405689

At the press conference, the media tried their best to get the committee members to blame Clinton (which would have led to accusations of trying to smear Clinton in an election year) or not vocally blaming Clinton (which would lead to the the latest talking points). The committee report laid the blame at the feet of Hillary and Obama; but it required reading the report. CNN led the way in producing the talking points that there was no new evidence against Clinton. CNN did not read the report, and neither did any democrat on Watchblog. Warren Porter simply did what all liberals have done; they simply repeated the CNN talking points. What Obama and Hillary Clinton did in Benghazi were impeachable offenses. The use of the video lie to the American people itself was enough to impeach them.

Posted by: Visitor at June 29, 2016 5:32 PM
Comment #405690

Visitor,

That’s funny. Did Page I-89 that I excerpted in #405687 come from “CNN Talking Points” or did it come from Section I of the report I linked in my original post?

Posted by: Warren Porter at June 29, 2016 6:01 PM
Comment #405692

The other seven Benghazi reports, including the one by the House Intelligence Committee chaired by a Republican, the two bipartisan investigations done by the Senate, and the House investigations by the Committees on Oversight and Government Reform, Foreign Affairs, the Judiciary, and Armed Services. For their reports, see the links in the following article:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/12/hillary-clinton/clinton-there-have-been-7-benghazi-probes-so-far/

None of these count, Warren. And don’t try to confuse people with facts.

Conspiracy theories die hard. It is probably the scariest thing about conservatives. They believe a lot of things which are simply not true. And by that, I mean factually and demonstrably false.

The idea of someone like Trump in the White House is truly scary.

Posted by: phx8 at June 29, 2016 6:50 PM
Comment #405694

The official report of the House Select Committee on Benghazi, says the story the Administration told America, that terrorist attack in Benghazi was incited by a lousy Mohammed video on YouTube, was a fabrication invented by the Obama Administration political team and had nothing to do with the ongoing live reports the state department was getting from Benghazi during the attack.

In my opinion, Obama and others sacrificed four American lives on the altar of politics.

Posted by: Royal Flush at June 29, 2016 7:08 PM
Comment #405697
sacrificed four American lives on the altar of politics

And this is completely contradicted by the fact that there was nothing Obama or the military could have done on September 11, 2012 to save those lives. Perhaps there is something that could have been done on September 10, 2012, but that is another matter entirely.

Posted by: Warren Porter at June 29, 2016 7:26 PM
Comment #405699

Warren Porter, have you read the complete 800 page report, or are you using CNN cliff notes?

The other 7 reports did not even come close to interviewing witnesses or reading the emails. The only report that matters is the last one. The official report.

Posted by: Visitor at June 29, 2016 7:31 PM
Comment #405700

Warped, They (The administration) could have told the truth that it was a planned act of terror, instead of LYING about a stupid video.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at June 29, 2016 7:35 PM
Comment #405701

Rich, it was about an election 56 days away and a legacy. Hillary had worked with the Brotherhood to replace the Libyan government without US troops and it all fell apart. One little lie begets more lies. Even though the administration was telling other government leaders that this was an organized terrorist attack, and as Hillary was telling her own daughter this was an organized terrorist attack; both conspired to lie to the American people and say it was about a video. The whole thing was a lie. It had to be told to cover what was really happening in Libya.

Posted by: Visitor at June 29, 2016 8:15 PM
Comment #405702

Visitor, Exactly!

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at June 29, 2016 8:38 PM
Comment #405705
have you read the complete 800 page report

No. I only read a few parts of section I. Namely, the portions pertaining the military response (or lack thereof) after it became known that an attack was in progress.

Right now, I am reading a few parts of section II that discuss why Morell modified the CIA talking points so that they stated that the attack was a response to the Islamophobic film that inspired the Cairo protests.

Later, I hope to give section III the same treatment.

Posted by: Warren Porter at June 29, 2016 9:09 PM
Comment #405706

From page II-55:

While there may have been no text in the text box to support the title, as it turns out, the title was intended to be something different. According to the manager
of the analysts who wrote the piece, the title of the text box was supposed to be “ Extremists Capitalized on Cairo Protests.”136 That small but vital difference—from Cairo to Benghazi—had major implica-tions in how people in the administration were able to message the at-tacks, and was used as support in the days and weeks after this piece was published for the claim that protests had occurred prior to the Benghazi attacks.Even worse, this mistake was not caught until more than a week later, when the analysts were updating their assessment./blockquote>

So, it was a typo on the part of CIA analysts who prepared the WIRe that was cited in the Whitehouse talking points. The CIA accidentally said Benghazi when they meant to say Cairo and that crucial error was not caught until September 24.

Visitor, tell me again, do Susan Rice, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have an obligation to tell the American people the conclusions of our intelligence agencies’ best analysts or should they tell us their private opinions when it comes to issues of national security?

Posted by: Warren Porter at June 29, 2016 9:22 PM
Comment #405707

Footnote 164:

The
CIA told the Committee this part of the report “suggests the intelligence commu-nity had no information on which to base our initial assessment that a protest preceded the attacks on the State compound. To the contrary, a significant body of information available immediately following the attacks indicated that there was a protest.”

Posted by: Warren Porter at June 29, 2016 9:33 PM
Comment #405711

It’s amazing Warren. I saw Deputy CIA Director, Morrell, describe in extraordinary detail during an extended interview with Charlie Rose what happened with the “talking points” that Susan Rice used on her infamous Sunday news presentations. What struck me was his insistence that the Whitehouse made no attempt to shape the “talking points” and would go with whatever the CIA thought appropriate.

I also was struck with Chairman Trey Gowdy’s response to reporters’ questions as the whether the T-shirts with “Clinton Lied and Four Americans Died” was true. He said, “You don’t see that T-shirt on me, and you don’t see that bumper sticker on any of my vehicles.” Asked more directly whether Clinton lied, he said “That’s a word you couldn’t use in a courtroom.” But, of course it is. Perhaps, he is more concerned about being a defendant in a suit for slander.

Posted by: Rich at June 29, 2016 9:51 PM
Comment #405712

Warped, If they weren’t sure if it was terror or protest the best thing would have been to say “We are trying to determine what or who caused the attack,” or nothing especially with all the confusion but to keep saying it was because of a Video was STUPID and misleading.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at June 29, 2016 9:58 PM
Comment #405713

KAP,

Did you even read the excerpted from the report that I shared? The WIRe used to produce the talking points stated confidently: “Extremists Capitalized on Benghazi Protests”. This was not a sentenced buried in some paragraph. It was the lede for a text box printed in large bold font.

Given that information, it would be completely unethical for anyone in the Obama administration to fail to mention those protests’ relationship with the attack.

Posted by: Warren Porter at June 29, 2016 10:05 PM
Comment #405714

Warped, Was it ethical to give false talking points for 2 weeks misleading the American people? Well those who believed that BS anyway.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at June 29, 2016 10:19 PM
Comment #405715

Warped, Yes I read it. Even the part were you said “TYPO”

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at June 29, 2016 10:22 PM
Comment #405716

No one knew they were false at the time, which is why repeated the flawed analysis was completely ethical.

Posted by: Warren Porter at June 29, 2016 10:29 PM
Comment #405718

Warped, Everyone in the civilized world knew it was a terror attack when it happened yet you are going to say it was ethical to mislead the American people, yep the nickname sure does fit you. Hillary even E mailed her daughter saying it was a Terror attack that night. Obama in the Rose garden said it was terror the next morning but then goes with the Video BS.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at June 29, 2016 10:38 PM
Comment #405723

KAP,

So you think the administration should ignore the PDB and just tell the public their private thoughts?

Posted by: Warren Porter at June 30, 2016 9:20 AM
Comment #405724

I love the way the left bends over backwards to protect Obama and Clinton. By their own comments and actions, the administration and Hillary lied and attempted to deceive the American people. The 800 page report, along with the 57 page supplemental, clearly show the whole debacle is in the lap of Obama and Hillary Clinton. It’s for this reason that Hillary’s trust numbers are in the tank. Those numbers are not going to change. Reading the report is about more than looking at the words, it requires comprehension. If a person is not willing to read with an open mind, or if the read with a predetermined conclusion in their mind, then there is no sense in reading the report. The mistake Trey Gowdy made was believing the liberal media actually desired to know the truth. The media already knew what they were going to say, all they had to do was twist the report to match their preconceived ideas. This is what Warren Porter and others on WB have done. Anything to protect Hillary.

Posted by: Visitor at June 30, 2016 9:27 AM
Comment #405725

“it requires comprehension. If a person is not willing to read with an open mind, or if they read with a predetermined conclusion in their mind, then there is no sense in reading the report.”

Sometimes the obsequious adherence to a determined conspiratorial advocate’s mental state goes beyond mere statements and is evidenced by their own words as being fallacious. That would be the case in the quoted comment above.

Posted by: Speak4all at June 30, 2016 10:02 AM
Comment #405726

Warped, Was telling a lie for 2 weeks best for the American people?

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at June 30, 2016 10:40 AM
Comment #405729

Visitor,

Sorry, but I go by what the report says not what you wish it might have said. If you want to continue tossing around words like “lie” and “deceive” you are going to have to cite specific passages in the report to back up these claims.

KAP,
Same goes for you too. Claiming X cannot be a lie unless one has evidence that X isn’t true. Until September 24, 2012, the very best evidence available to Obama and his subordinates said that X was true.

Posted by: Warren Porter at June 30, 2016 12:06 PM
Comment #405730

Warped, It was a terror attack plain and simple. Hillary knew it, Obama knew it. You can spin it anyway you want but it was a terror attack and they knew it. I’d even venture to say you knew it, but just like the good little Democrat you are you will spin the story of a Video.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at June 30, 2016 12:26 PM
Comment #405731

KAP,

Once again, you are saying that Obama and his subordinates had an ethical obligation and lie to the American people, telling them that the latest CIA intelligence did not suggest a video (when in fact it did).

Posted by: Warren Porter at June 30, 2016 12:52 PM
Comment #405732

Warped, Are Obama and Hillary adults? Can they themselves tell the difference between a Terror attack and a protest? Can they after reading the report, determine that the writer may have made a mistake? Hillary tells her daughter it was a Terror attack and the Pres. of Egypt. Obama tells it was Terror in the Rose Garden. Once again Warped you are being the good little Democrat that you are.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at June 30, 2016 1:20 PM
Comment #405733

In that case, why even bother having a CIA if the President isn’t supposed to listen to what they have to say?

Posted by: Warren Porter at June 30, 2016 1:56 PM
Comment #405734

Warped, The problem is, is that they both knew the attack was TERROR related and nothing to do with a video. As President he should have taken all the intel reports from all agencies and what was going on, on the ground in Benghazi NOT just one report and then make an INTELIGENT decision on what to tell the American people.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at June 30, 2016 3:02 PM
Comment #405735

Like I said, conspiracy theories die hard.

The next one to die will be the e-mail issue. I have a feeling conservatives will take that one especially hard. Limbaugh, Hannity, FOX ‘News,’ and others have been pushing it and pushing it. Trump has declared Hillary had “an illegal server” and should “go to jail.” The entire conspiracy ignores the initial FBI declaration that the investigation never targeted Hillary Clinton in the first place.

The attempt to generate a scandal about the Clinton Foundation has gone too poorly to gain traction. The main source of it, a book called “Clinton Cash,” was immediately and easily discredited.

Other conspiracies abound among those on the right. Whitewater, Filegate, Travelgate, the death of Vince Foster, Fast and Furious, the IRS ‘scandal’ continue to fester among conservatives. The constant lack of results are always attributed to a cover-up. The inability to discover a cover-up is due to a cover-up of the cover-up. All evidence to the contrary, whether it comes from the judiciary, FBI, CIA, or the MSM, must be ignored because they are inevitably in on the cover-up too.

Polls are ‘skewed.’ According to a recent poll, a majority of Trump supporters believe the stock market has gone down and unemployment has increased under the Obama administration, even though the opposite is true. The economy is a “disaster” even though we have just seen one of the longest periods without a recession in American history, and an all-time record of 74 consecutive months of job growth in the private sector. Anthropogenic Global Warming is a hoax foisted on Americans by the scientists of the world.

It just goes on and on. And the scary thing is, there might be enough of these people to win an election.

Posted by: phx8 at June 30, 2016 3:13 PM
Comment #405736
there might be enough of these people to win an election.

Their overlord activates their implanted chips and they start barking and repeating what they’ve said before over and over again. No amount of refutation of their misinformation can penetrate, because their brains don’t function that way.

Posted by: ohrealy at June 30, 2016 3:45 PM
Comment #405743

“It was a terror attack plain and simple. Hillary knew it, Obama knew it. You can spin it anyway you want but it was a terror attack and they knew it.”

So what you’re saying is that if Obama and Clinton had speculated, without any evidence to the contrary, and announced, day one, that it was a terrorist attack, you’d be cool with that.

Yeah, and monkeys might fly out of my ass.

This whole thing is just so sad. The right won’t ever be satisfied until Clinton and Obama are eviscerated in Lafayette Square, in front of God and a large TV audience.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at June 30, 2016 8:22 PM
Comment #405744


I have to say that there were 13 attacks on US Embassies and Consulates during the GW Bush administration (not including in Iraq), in which more than 60 people died.

And we heard nary a sniff from our upstanding patriots from the right.

Talk about disgusting.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at June 30, 2016 8:44 PM
Comment #405745

Common Rocky those were all protest because of a video.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at June 30, 2016 8:55 PM
Comment #405762

It strikes me as absurd that there are those who might consider this attitude the “new normal”.

Ben Franklin said “We must all hang together or we will surely hang separately”.

Seems to me the right could give a rat’s ass. This is their country, and screw everyone else.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at July 3, 2016 9:36 AM
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