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A Democrat in Distress: My Party is Leaving Me Behind

If you look at the demographics I fall into (20, 21 in less than two weeks, college student, gay, and a Democrat), most people incorrectly assume that I’m a Bernie Sanders supporter. That label has been the bane of my existence the past 9 months, and here I sit wondering how my party has left me behind, how so many of my fellow Democrats could jump on this bandwagon. The fact is, I feel like I’m getting left in the dust by my own party, and I’m certainly not the only one who feels this way.

Many of my fellow college students support Bernie Sanders because of his promises of free college, free health care, breaking up the big banks (whatever that means) and pretty much free everything. I'm a pragmatic progressive, with emphasis on the pragmatism. I support single-payer, but we have to work on getting the cost of health care down by mandating that a procedure can't be billed more than 150% of the actual cost to deliver care first, before we throw open the Medicare rolls like Mr. Sanders proposes.

When I started following politics as closely as I do back in 2010 at the age of 15, I was considered an ultra-left-wing liberal on issues like same-sex marriage. That was a very progressive viewpoint back then, as most Democrats were saying things like, "legalize civil unions but don't call it marriage," until public opinion shifted with the force and speed of a freight train two years later. Nowadays, supporting same-sex marriage is the norm, and not a fringe viewpoint, and someone who was considered very liberal six years ago is now considered part of the hated "establishment."

I've said before that if Bernie Sanders gets the Democratic nomination, he'll get crushed in a 1984-style landslide. As the death of Antonin Scalia over the weekend shows, the stakes have never been higher than in this election. The 2016 election will be a referendum on whether or not We The People will be able to take back our government from the Koch brothers. With a liberal justice taking Scalia's place, we can overturn Citizens United, end gerrymandering once and for all, and restore the Voting Rights Act. But alas, his wont happen if Bernie Sanders gets clobbered in the general election.

Aside from wanting to nominate an unelectable socialist, there are other losing issues that the far-left Social Justice Warriors who've taken over the Democratic Party won't relent on. They want to allow men to use women's bathrooms and vice versa, and other so-called "transgender rights" that even most of my fellow members of the LGBT community can't even get behind. These Social Justice Warriors think that shutting down freeways, heckling their Lord and Savior Bernie Sanders at one of his rallies, and even forcing the President of the University of Missouri to resign over issues beyond his control. Now don't get me wrong, Black Lives Matter raises significant issues that need to be addressed, but the way they're doing it is making the Democratic Party look bad.

This problem isn't just in the Presidential race. Democratic Congressman Patrick Murphy, who in 2012 ousted far-right rock star Allen West in a heavily Republican district, is running for Marco Rubio's open Senate seat. Murphy is the kind of uniter who will attract independents and even Republicans to turn both of Florida's Senate seats blue for the first time since 2004. You would think that would be enough to get the base on board with Murphy, but no, instead they've recruited the unelectable, far-left blowhard Alan Grayson to challenge Murphy in the primary. Grayson doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning a statewide election in a state like Florida, and yet he stubbornly trudges ahead, no matter how much damage he does in the process.

Electability isn't the only reason I'm supporting Hillary Clinton and am firmly against Bernie Sanders. Like most Republicans these days, he speaks in simple-minded sound bytes that only make sense if you don't put any thought into them. Case in point, his plan to pay for free college and free health care by taxing Wall Street. His plan would cost somewhere in the trillions of dollars. Thinking that you can collect between 1/16 and 1/8 of the United States GDP in new revenue from one single source is illogical. The numbers just don't add up. Not to mention, a $15 minimum wage is going to drive up inflation so fast your head will spin. The point of minimum wage is for it to be set to inflation-that is, raising it to where the new rate has the same buying power in today's dollars as it did the last time it went up.

SJWs and their hatred of the evil "establishment" is laughable, and almost straight out of the 1960s. What they call the "establishment" is the majority of the Democrats who are sane enough to see Bernie Sanders' little sideshow for what it is-a dangerous spectacle that is hurting our party's chances of winning in 2016 every single day.

As I've stated many times by now, I feel like my beloved Democratic Party is leaving me behind. I was inspired to join the party in 2011, after the insanity that was the 2010 midterm elections, and the insanity in Congress that followed soon after. I was inspired to join and to aspire for public office down the road not just because I agree with most of the party's platform, but also because I will always fight against the party that ran around that year and in the years since screaming that Barack Obama is the antichrist, and that the Democrats hate America.

I will never ever vote for a Republican under any circumstances, but I still miss the Democratic Party in the days of Bill Clinton, and the party temperament after we took back Congress in 2006. But those days are now long gone, and so is any sanity, it seems.

Posted by TreyL at February 17, 2016 12:11 PM
Comments
Comment #402688

I know how you feel Trey.
I was raised in a family of soldiers, farmers and rivermen who always voted Democrat. In my forties now and since the Democratic Party left us all behind for the progressive nutjobs, 90% of them now vote Republican.

Posted by: kctim at February 17, 2016 3:41 PM
Comment #402689

I know how you feel Trey.
I was raised in a family of soldiers, farmers and rivermen who always voted Democrat. In my forties now and since the Democratic Party left us all behind for the progressive nutjobs, 90% of them now vote Republican.

Posted by: kctim at February 17, 2016 3:41 PM
Comment #402691

TL, if someone told you in 2010 that all of your political choices and work were going to be easy, they misinformed you. This ain’t bean bag. Your time might be better spent working to support the person that you most admire and wish to see become elected but comparing them to all other options in doing so. It would seem that you have made this decision but are wrestling with the support that you see going to someone else that you may not agree with. My only advice (unwarranted of course) is to keep working to support the causes you uphold and vote for your candidates accordingly. Your position is kind of unique being young and gay but not so unique that you don’t have community and support. Imagine your feelings if you were a young woman impregnated by a rapist and having to face carrying that child to term and birth without any input from you. Or an immigrant struggling to make your new home yours but only hearing negativity regarding you and your new home and in some cases down right hostility of your existence here. This feeling of being deserted can easily turn your political aspirations into a cynical mess as espoused by some commenters here who only see the worst things in life and can’t understand how they can have any affect on changing them. Good luck with your quest and remember this:

Life isn’t as much about waiting for the storm to pass as it is learning how to dance in the rain.

Posted by: Speak4all at February 17, 2016 4:12 PM
Comment #402693

Trey,

I agree with your choice between “Santa” Sanders and Hillary Clinton; however I saw yesterday them referred to as a choice between a Bolshevik and a Menshevik. That made me laugh, as the small degree of policy differences between the two make that an apt comparison, IMHO.

Good luck with those choices! Of course, the same thing exists on the Republican side. It seem in the last 20 years the political parties function to assure the largest t*rd rises to the top of the bowl.

Posted by: Mike in Tampa at February 17, 2016 4:36 PM
Comment #402696

The problem with Sanders proposing medicare for everyone is that it makes him look like he knows nothing about it, or is just cynically trying to fool people who know nothing. HRC hints at this, but doesn’t want to confront him seriously about anything serious for fear of losing the “know nothings” if she wins the nomination and needs their vote in the election.

Posted by: ohrealy at February 17, 2016 5:46 PM
Comment #402706

Trey quit whining and vote for the repub candidate, it is that simple. If you think your party has been taken over by the “social justice warriors” now that gays have gotten their right to marry I feel for you dude. Your inability to see the irony in this logic is well ironic. Pulling the ladder up behind you is as conservative as it gets.

But riddle me this, you do realize it is primary season and the choices for the dems are Hilary or Bernie and many dems don’t like the wall street influence on Hilary, right? They do like that Bernie talks to the issues that need to be talked about, unlike Hilary who accepts the financialization of the country and the resulting income inequality that drags countries down.

You sound repub in your complaint about medicare for all, the rest of the world can do it but we can’t..right? You seem to support a college student who graduates drowning in debt as opposed to a college student who graduates and pays taxes to help the next generation as we did for so long in this country. It seems you may believe the repub line that government money helping college students is the cause of the high cots of college educations today, really!

A transaction tax on stock sales in a country that has stopped producing real and tangible items and the jobs that goes with these items makes sense to me as we search for a means to finance the government and keep income taxes low.

Bemoan the good ol days as you will but what good came from the 2006 dem majority in Congress? Hillary won’t change that will she? If so how? Hell Bill was the guy who signed NAFTA into law and waved as jobs left the country to China. DO you think Hilary will not support the TPP and the loss of sovereignty that comes with these trade agreements?

The more I think about it Trey I think you left the dems. Other than womens rights what is the difference between Cruz and Clinton?

Posted by: j2t2 at February 18, 2016 11:27 AM
Comment #402707

Ya know Trey you are the kind of dem that might as well be a repub, the more I read and think of what you are saying. I feel the need to take you to task for your zeal for power when it comes to getting a liberal justice on the SCOTUS replacing Scalia. You tell us “With a liberal justice taking Scalia’s place, we can overturn Citizens United, end gerrymandering once and for all, and restore the Voting Rights Act” to which I say don’t count your chickens quite yet.

We need a Justice who interprets the constitution not a political activist who votes based upon political expediency. Hopefully Obama picks a true Justice and not a political hack , hell Scalia was a political activist why swap for another one.

BTW have you noticed the cities that have upped their minimum wage are doing better than the average, maybe there is something to be said for a livable wage, for starters it can get people off of food stamps and government assistance when they are able to work.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 18, 2016 11:47 AM
Comment #402708

J2, you are TOTALLY misreading what Trey is actually saying.

Posted by: kctim at February 18, 2016 11:54 AM
Comment #402709

j2t2 wrote; “You seem to support a college student who graduates drowning in debt as opposed to a college student who graduates and pays taxes to help the next generation as we did for so long in this country.”

That simply doesn’t make sense. Do working graduated college students with debt pay no taxes?

Should taxpayers fund the education of those seeking degrees to fill non-existing jobs in their major?

The engineering graduate asks; How does it work?

The Philosophy graduate asks; Why does it work?

The Liberal Arts graduate asks; “Do you want fries with your order?

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 18, 2016 11:55 AM
Comment #402710
J2, you are TOTALLY misreading what Trey is actually saying.

Well enlighten me kctim.


Here is some more perspective on this issues.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/les-leopold/somethings-happening-but_b_9250850.html?

Yep Sanders and Trump what a race! I hope the young supporters of these two guys stirs things up come election time.

Do working graduated college students with debt pay no taxes?

Yep they do but they pay more to the banks and billionaires than they do it taxes. Many whose credit doesn’t allow for student loans end up with co signers or no loans, the cosigners get entangled in the trap and those that without don’t get to college. The corporatization of college is a bad idea. Loan sharks are also a bad idea.

Should taxpayers fund the education of those seeking degrees to fill non-existing jobs in their major?

Yep they should, we should also go back to the way we funded veterans college educations until the Reagan revolution forced us into a half a**ed system.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 18, 2016 12:11 PM
Comment #402713

Question; “Should taxpayers fund the education of those seeking degrees to fill non-existing jobs in their major?”

j2t2; “Yep they should…”

Why?

Question; “Do working graduated college students with debt pay no taxes?”

j2t2; “Yep they do but they pay more to the banks and billionaires than they do it taxes.”

Millions of non-students fall into this category.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 18, 2016 12:23 PM
Comment #402714

“Harry W. Colmery, a former national commander of the American Legion and former Republican National Chairman, is credited with drawing up the first draft of the GI Bill.

In 1984, former Mississippi Congressman Gillespie V. “Sonny” Montgomery revamped the GI Bill, which has been known as the “Montgomery GI Bill” ever since, assuring that the legacy of the original GI Bill lives on, as VA home loan guaranty and education programs continue to work for our newest generation of combat Veterans.

In 2008, the GI Bill was updated once again. The new law gives Veterans with active duty service on, or after, Sept. 11 2001, enhanced educational benefits that cover more educational expenses, provide a living allowance, money for books and the ability to transfer unused educational benefits to spouses or children.”

http://www.benefits.va.gov/gibill/history.asp

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 18, 2016 12:40 PM
Comment #402718

Why? Because a college education in a hot field today may be useless in a few years according to futurist who project 3 different rounds of education to stay employed will be the norm in a persons lifetime.

Education is a sound investment for a nation to make and we can’t all be mathematicians or programmers Royal some need to be historians or social workers or English majors even if they don’t succeed at writing the great American novel..

Millions of non-students fall into this category.

Yes they do but that isn’t a reason to revise our system of funding education, especially since some think the next financial collapse may be due to student loans. Indenturing people to the banksters and financial hucksters is a bad way to run a country IMHO.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 18, 2016 1:32 PM
Comment #402719

This is exactly what I’m getting at: on paper, I’m a generic liberal Democrat: pro-choice, pro-gay, anti-free-trade, progressive economics, anti-corporate welfare. I take issue with the feasibility of the idea that we’re going to make $40,000 a year schools completely free with a vague tax on Wall Street. That’s not to say that I enjoy paying out the ass for my own education and think that it’s fine to force my fellow students to do the same. I just don’t think that we should be falling for grand promises that can’t be kept.

Posted by: TreyL at February 18, 2016 1:33 PM
Comment #402720

J2

Enlighten you? FFS man, you are telling a very intelligent young man who supports the platform of the Democratic Party, to vote Republican because he dares question the most radical of the party.
You are telling a self described gay ultra-left-wing liberal who has supported same-sex marriage since the age of 15, that he is Republican-lite because he can get behind men using women’s restrooms. You are telling him he should vote conservative, despite his stated support of single-payer, because he dares bring up the fact about costs. You attack him for questioning the logic of a $15 minimum wage as if he didn’t mention that he thinks it should be tied to inflation.

If anything, J2, I would say that you have provided the most perfect example as to why Trey, a liberal democrat, believes the party is leaving him behind. And why former democrats such as myself believe the party has gone full blown off it’s freaking rocker.

Posted by: kctim at February 18, 2016 1:44 PM
Comment #402721

J2

Enlighten you? FFS man, you are telling a very intelligent young man who supports the platform of the Democratic Party, to vote Republican because he dares question the most radical of the party.
You are telling a self described gay ultra-left-wing liberal who has supported gay marriage since the age of 15, that he is Republican-lite because he can’t get behind men using women’s restrooms. You are telling him he should vote conservative, despite his stated support of single-payer, because he dares bring up the fact about costs. You attack him for questioning the logic of a $15 minimum wage as if he didn’t mention that he thinks it should be tied to inflation.

If anything, J2, I would say that you have provided the most perfect example as to why Trey, a liberal democrat, believes the party is leaving him behind. And why former democrats such as myself believe the party has gone full blown off it’s freaking rocker.

Posted by: kctim at February 18, 2016 1:46 PM
Comment #402722

Royal thanks for the link, for a bit of history on the GI Bill and why I said it was degraded during the Reagan revolution he is a link-


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.I._Bill

“In 1985, a bill sponsored by Democratic Congressman “Sonny” Gillespie V. Montgomery expanded the G.I. Bill. The MGIB replaced the VEAP for those who served after July 1, 1985. This was an entirely voluntary program in which participants could choose to forfeit $100 per month from their first year of pay. In return, eligible veterans received a tuition allowance and a monthly stipend for up to 36 months of eligible training or education”

But you are right in so far as in 2008 it was upgraded once again, I wasn’t aware of that.

Now we need to reinstate the draft and get more people into the military and on to college. With the all volunteer military the numbers are small and the same servicemen are doing multiple tours.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 18, 2016 1:47 PM
Comment #402723

Indenturing people to the banksters and financial hucksters is a bad way to run a country IMHO.
Posted by: j2t2 at February 18, 2016 1:32 PM

LOL…Is that “Indenturing” involuntary?

In most states, public education is funded through property taxes. Many states have Junior Colleges that prepare students to graduate in two years with credentials to find jobs that actually need to be filled. Junior Colleges cost much less than full four year institutions.

Our eldest son obtained a two-year degree in Respiratory Therapy and had five job offers upon graduation. He choose Parkland Hospital in Dallas and is now earning nearly $70 thousand per year.

His wife has a BA in Art and is currently working part time at Target cashiering. There are no jobs in her field.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 18, 2016 1:53 PM
Comment #402725

“This was an entirely voluntary program in which participants could choose to forfeit $100 per month from their first year of pay. In return, eligible veterans received a tuition allowance and a monthly stipend for up to 36 months of eligible training or education”

j2t2 calls this a “half a**ed system”

j2t2 is full of it. $100 cost for all those added benefits…what a deal. I graduated from college with a BS in 1975 under the GI Bill and can tell you my benefits were not as good as that described above.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 18, 2016 2:07 PM
Comment #402726

Correction…$100 per month for 12 months.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 18, 2016 2:09 PM
Comment #402730

It amazes me that anyone at all familiar with the complications of our political system thinks we’re going to elect someone who is going to mandate anything like Medicare for all. Sanders represents one of the smallest states in the Union, with a very small population, and was previously mayor of a city the size of the suburban town where I live. Why is he running for POTUS anyway? IMO, his only chance of being elected, if he is nominated, is if Trump is also nominated, and Bloomberg runs as a third party, but then maybe Bloomberg would actually get elected.

Posted by: ohrealy at February 18, 2016 3:53 PM
Comment #402731

Sanders represents the OWS social justice nutjobs of the dem party and his running was meant to make Clinton look less far-left fringey.

His success is due to Clinton being a lousy candidate, and dem leaders underestimating just how many of their supporters are now far-left loons.

Posted by: kctim at February 18, 2016 4:01 PM
Comment #402747
LOL…Is that “Indenturing” involuntary?

LOL it might as well be as the same corporations that collect the money can declare bankruptcy if they choose but the students left with spiraling costs cannot. All because conservatives wanted to protect these companies from bankruptcy when they controlled the Congress and the administration.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 19, 2016 10:39 AM
Comment #402749

Bill Maher takes on the SJWs and their equivalent on the right pretty well: https://youtube.com/watch?v=luhSVN5mgNY

Posted by: TreyL at February 19, 2016 11:33 AM
Comment #402751

I just don’t think that we should be falling for grand promises that can’t be kept.

Trey, perhaps having tuition paid for college is a grand promise that only other G20 nations can accomplish. Perhaps if the push for this led us away from the banksters trapping kids and families into high debt loans in order to get an education it would still be worth the effort.

If we focused on doing this type of thing with our tax dollars instead of invading Iraq and stirring up trouble around the world…. just saying

Posted by: j2t2 at February 19, 2016 12:08 PM
Comment #402753

“It’s the government’s job to protect a lot of things, but your feelings aren’t one of them.”

Absolutely golden. I should start watching Maher again. Thank you for sharing.

Trey,
What do you think of Michael Bloomberg? Right now, I am planning to vote for Sanders merely as a ploy to entice him to run.

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 19, 2016 12:32 PM
Comment #402754
Enlighten you? FFS man, you are telling a very intelligent young man who supports the platform of the Democratic Party, to vote Republican because he dares question the most radical of the party.

Kctim, I don’t think wanting to focus the country on education, good paying jobs, health care and the middle class in lieu of the wants and needs of the billionaire class is “the most radical” at all. Freed trade pacts that give up our sovereignty to global corporations hasn’t worked IMHO.


You are telling a self described gay ultra-left-wing liberal who has supported gay marriage since the age of 15, that he is Republican-lite because he can’t get behind men using women’s restrooms.

I missed that part Kctim, I thought I was addressing Sanders speaking more to the middle class needs of the country and about income inequality than to bathroom habits.

You are telling him he should vote conservative, despite his stated support of single-payer, because he dares bring up the fact about costs.

No kctim, of course costs are a concern but according to economist Sanders economic plan would grow the tax base and shorten the rolls of those needing food stamps and such.

You attack him for questioning the logic of a $15 minimum wage as if he didn’t mention that he thinks it should be tied to inflation.

IN the areas where the minimum wage has been raised inflation hasn’t been the outcome same with taxes. I’m thinking specifically of Seattle and Minnesota and comparing them to Louisiana and Kansas.

If anything, J2, I would say that you have provided the most perfect example as to why Trey, a liberal democrat, believes the party is leaving him behind. And why former democrats such as myself believe the party has gone full blown off it’s freaking rocker.

Kctim, the dems have been into the pockets of the wealthy corporations and as such have been passing laws that favor the wealthy corporations over the middle class for many years now. They are the same as repub lite in this regard. I would suggest it is time for the dems to stand up for the middle class.

We have been using the right wings trickle on economics and ongoing war combined with tax cuts to build up debt for years now, both sides of the aisle, yet all we have are a bunch of IOUs and a smaller poorer middle class to show for it. Has Hillary said it is time to stop the insanity of right wing economics? Not that I have heard as she continues to get funding from the wealthy corporations backing the fiscally conservative zealots same as the repub candidates.

I would suggest to you and to Trey that unless Hilary renounces these errors she is repub lite and voting for her is voting for more “free market” trade pacts that keep wages low the working poor poorer and on food stamps, more offshoring of jobs and tax breaks for companies that do this, well just more conservative policies in general.

You bring up some men using womens bathrooms issue as if it is some defining policy of Sanders but it is just a dividing issue that is of little importance IMHO.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 19, 2016 12:52 PM
Comment #402756

Good luck with your planned “ploy” Warren.

I’ll vote for Ted Cruz as a ploy for him to win.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 19, 2016 12:58 PM
Comment #402757

Good news for the New Far Left and Socialists

The United States at the Point of No Return

“In 1988 the national debt of the United States stood at $2.6 Trillion, today it is over $19.0 Trillion— an increase of 635% (and projected to reach $29.0 Trillion by 2026). On the other hand the debt of all the nations on earth has grown by only 135% since 1988.

Since November of 2008 the working age population has increased by over 18 million. However, the number of those employed has increased just 5.5 million. Meanwhile those unemployed or no longer in the work force has ballooned by 12.4 million to a staggering total of 102 million or 40.4% of the working age population.

Another factor impacting on the economic health of the American people is immigration. In 1988 there were 16 million immigrants (including less than a million illegal aliens) living in the United States. Today that number has skyrocketed to 42.4 million (including an estimated 12 million illegal aliens). This enormous increase (165%) in the immigrant population has not only put pressure on a stagnant job market but it has also been a major factor in the decline of median income in the country.”

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2016/02/the_united_states_at_the_point_of_no_return.html

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 19, 2016 2:49 PM
Comment #402758

Speaking of Ted Cruz, here is a little gem from February 7th on WB, comment 402418:

phx8; “But I have to admit, there is something about Cruz that makes my skin crawl.”

Royal Flush: “Truth, honesty and love of country does that to some folks.”

Just checking back with you, Royal. How do you feel about Cruz today, in light of what the other conservative Republican presidential candidates are saying about him? Do you still think he tells the truth? Is he honest? Or are Trump, Rubio, Carson, and others all dishonest liars?

From the beginning of the contest I have said Cruz will say or do anything in order to win the nomination. Now it seems Trump and Rubio are saying exactly the same the about Cruz, literally word for word. What do you think?

There are lots and lots of memorable quotes from conservative Republican presidential candidates about Ted Cruz. Let me know if you need any.

Posted by: phx8 at February 19, 2016 3:31 PM
Comment #402760

Well phx8, this is a political contest and half truths, lies, and damnable lies are flung like rhubarb from a child’s spoon.

Cruz hasn’t run away from accusations of lying, but rather has taken time to explain why they aren’t lies.

Please believe that I, and millions of other Cruz supporters, don’t give a rat’s ass what Cruz opponents say.

Cruz is the only candidate that can truthfully and factually say that he stands, speaks and votes for what he believes. That he is hated by Republican insider elite’s, and the Liberal Left, enhances my support of Cruz.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 19, 2016 3:59 PM
Comment #402765

“Cruz is the only candidate that can truthfully and factually say that he stands, speaks and votes for what he believes.”

And yet he is consistently harshly criticized by other conservative Republicans, both establishment insiders and outsiders, for being untruthful and behaving unethically. Some recent quotes:

“I’m just saying that Ted Cruz holds up the Bible and then lies. He’s lied on many occasions, he’s been caught in almost all of them.”
Donald Trump

“As a prosecutor, and in Congress, I’ve devoted my life to the rule of law and truth. The truth actually matters to me and to all South Carolinians. Unfortunately it appears that the campaign of Senator Ted Cruz may not place the same value on waging a contest based on the truth and facts… I’m demanding that Senator Cruz and his campaign repudiate these dishonest and underhanded tactics.”
Trey Gowdy

To date, Cruz has refused to do so.

“Cruz has proven that he is willing to do or say anything to get elected. Over the last 10 days, the Cruz campaign has lied, smeared, fabricated and even Photoshopped. We fear the worst dirty tricks are yet to come.”
Marco Rubio

Ben Carson had some choice words for him, too. Ann Coulter called him a “a sleazy, Rovian liar.”

Remember, these are conservative Republicans.

Here is Ted Cruz during the most recent debate, attempting to justify why it would be acceptable not to fill the seat of Scalia on the SCOTUS:

“It has been 80 years since a Supreme Court vacancy was nominated and confirmed in an election year. There is a long tradition that you don’t do this in an election year.”

That is, of course, completely false. It has happened 8 times in the history of the country, most recently in February 1988, when Reagan appointed Justice Kennedy, and he was confirmed during the last year of his term by a Democratic Congress.

Remember, this is what other Republican conservatives say about him. It is NOT just the insiders or elites. Cruz is being widely condemned by every stripe of conservative out there.

Posted by: phx8 at February 19, 2016 8:06 PM
Comment #402771

I’ll be voting for Cruz as well. But regardless of which of the republican candidates wins the primary, I will not throw my vote away by voting third party just to make a statement. Bloomberg running as an independent would be great. He’d help to assure a republican victory by siphoning off democratic votes.

Posted by: dbs at February 20, 2016 11:44 AM
Comment #402772
That he is hated by Republican insider elite’s, and the Liberal Left, enhances my support of Cruz.

Herein lies the terrible flaw in your voting strategy. Voting for whomever most enrages people you disagree with is a terrible way to implement your ideology.

Bloomberg running as an independent would be great. He’d help to assure a republican victory by siphoning off democratic votes.

Be careful of what you wish for. Bloomberg will probably get the votes of many Republicans. Especially if Trump or Cruz is the GOP nominee.

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 20, 2016 12:52 PM
Comment #402773

“Voting for whomever most enrages people you disagree with is a terrible way to implement your ideology.”

Well aren’t you a failing little clairvoyant? I have written why I support Cruz and your reason isn’t one of them.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 20, 2016 1:20 PM
Comment #402775

I’m really not sure what I think of Mike Bloomberg, other than that he’d be the knockout punch to any chance the Dems had left of winning in 2016 if he did jump in. If that’s what we got, a Sanders vs. Trump vs. Bloomberg race, I’m voting Bloomberg or staying home, probably the latter. I know this for sure: I’d be watching SNL religiously.

Posted by: TreyL at February 20, 2016 2:12 PM
Comment #402776

RF,

Do what you want, but rest assured. I will not be duped into voting for a liar.

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 20, 2016 2:47 PM
Comment #402777

wp

Boy are you naïve. Of course Hillary said she has never lied and if you believe that you are more than naïve.

Posted by: tom humes at February 20, 2016 3:15 PM
Comment #402778

I’m quite sure Hillary Clinton has lied. However, she doesn’t mislead people about her policy positions like Cruz. Likewise, she doesn’t craft fictions to make her primary opponent seem like a heretic. Instead, she and Sanders have stuck to the facts when debating policy.

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 20, 2016 3:41 PM
Comment #402780

Do what you want, but rest assured. I will not be duped into voting for a liar.
Posted by: Warren Porter at February 20, 2016 2:47 PM

Really Warren. Obama duped the lemmings into voting for him by telling the Obamacare lies thousands of times.

You can keep your doctor

Your premiums will go down

You can keep the insurance plan you have

Cruz doesn’t lie. Research a single supposed lie based on fact and share it with me please.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 20, 2016 3:45 PM
Comment #402781

warren

“Be careful of what you wish for. Bloomberg will probably get the votes of many Republicans.”

Not likely. His fervor for gun control, and micro managing peoples lives will appeal more to democrats. He has very little to hang his hat on, as Rudy Giuliani was the one who cleaned up new York, not Bloomberg.

Posted by: dbs at February 20, 2016 4:05 PM
Comment #402783
Cruz doesn’t lie.

The guy is incapable of telling the truth regarding his own health insurance situation. Let alone his misrepresentation of his record regarding immigration, where he supported an amendment to provide legal status to undocumented immigrants. Not to mention his chronically false statements he generates regarding the thermodynamics of Earth’s climate.

More.

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 20, 2016 5:35 PM
Comment #402785

Warren’s first link: “Based on the information from his insurance broker, “Sen. Cruz believed the family was uninsured and asked the broker to pull quotes immediately for a new policy,”

Where is the lie?

From Warren’s second link: Politifact Texas? Using this as a factual source is akin to calling Bill Clinton celibate.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 20, 2016 5:57 PM
Comment #402786

Hey Warren. Perhaps Hillary will loan you her “barking dog” and you can take the dog to a Cruz campaign event. Then, we will know for certain if lies are being told.

It is much simpler to determine if Hillary is lying. Is her mouth moving?

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 20, 2016 6:23 PM
Comment #402788
Sen. Cruz believed the family was uninsured and asked the broker to pull quotes immediately for a new policy,”

The truth is that Cruz was not uninsured. He was enrolled in a BCBS HMO when the PPO was discontinued. If he genuinely believed this mean he was uninsured, it would call into question his basic literacy skills.

From Warren’s second link: Politifact Texas? Using this as a factual source is akin to calling Bill Clinton celibate.

Go ahead, attack the messenger because you apparently cannot refute the message. Show me why we cannot trust three of Texas’ most prominent newspapers to report the facts.

It is much simpler to determine if Hillary is lying. Is her mouth moving?

Ouch! That’s quite a zinger there. It must’ve taken you a while to think of that one. Quite original, I must say.

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 20, 2016 6:37 PM
Comment #402790

I guess Warren is having a tough weekend. Maybe his pet turtle is missing.

I gave a quote from the link Warren provided and now he is arguing with his own source. That’s amazing Warren.

Warren, gets his “facts” from a source (Politifact Texas) that agrees with him. How novel…how quaint. Makes one wonder from where he gets his MMGW “facts”.

So glad you don’t disagree with my statement regarding Hillary lying.

Why bother to come up with a new joke about lying when an old one does quite well.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 20, 2016 6:55 PM
Comment #402791

An image just flashed through my mind that made me laugh.

It’s a haggard-faced, unwashed, unfed Warren hunched over his computer furiously clinking on his keyboard to find a “factual” Cruz lie.

LOL

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 20, 2016 7:18 PM
Comment #402797
I gave a quote from the link Warren provided
My source was Louise Radnofsky. The words you quoted weren’t hers.
An image just flashed through my mind that made me laugh.

It’s a haggard-faced, unwashed, unfed Warren hunched over his computer furiously clinking on his keyboard to find a “factual” Cruz lie.

LOL

Hooray, an original insult! That’s the spirit: attack, attack and attack and don’t let up, lest people realize that this emperor has no clothes. Perhaps you could devote a modicum of that brilliance towards finding an explanation for Cruz’s lie about losing health insurance?

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 20, 2016 8:26 PM
Comment #402811

Perhaps Warren could provide factual evidence of a Cruz lie.

Posted by: Royal Flush at February 21, 2016 4:09 PM
Comment #402813

Ted Cruz said his family lost health insurance. The facts state otherwise. Deal with it.

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 21, 2016 7:33 PM
Comment #402814

Here’s another example of what I’m sick of hearing from the SJWs. This past week, the South Dakota Senate passed a bill prohibiting anyone from using a restroom that differs from their physical sex. Many of my fellow liberals have had a crying fit over this common-sense legislation. If a man wants to dress as a woman, or a woman wants to dress as a man, that’s their business. But as long as they’ve got the equipment to prove it, they should be relegated to the correct bathroom based on their sex, or pretty soon we’ll be seeing tampon vending machines in the men’s room.

Then there’s the new trendy fashion called “non-binary gender identities,” of which there are over 70 labels that the Tumblrina fringe of the left insists exist. They insist they’re “genderqueer” or “genderfluid,” meaning they go back and forth between male and female. Then there are the “androgynes” who say they’re neither male nor female. Then there are “bigender,” or those who think they’re both male and female. By now, any reasonable person should be saying, “This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard of.”

And yet you get told you’re not a “real progressive” if you don’t accept this completely. Transgenderism should be considered a form of Body Integrity. Identity Disorder, a disorder in which a healthy person has a strong desire to get rid of a fully-functioning body part. Some people have their legs amputated because they think they were supposed to be an amputee. One woman who thought she should have been born blind poured drain cleaner in her eyes. And yet wanting to cut your genitals off has been declassified as a mental illness.

Posted by: TreyL at February 21, 2016 7:54 PM
Comment #402817

J2

Nowhere has Trey stated anything ‘Republican-lite.’ The only thing it could be said that he is guilty of, is that he hasn’t take the extreme lefts position on those matters.

“Has Hillary said it is time to stop the insanity of right wing economics?”

Right wing economics? LOL!!!
The insanity is in our overspending and the greed of the voters. To pander to their voters, the left-wing promises unlimited spending on programs and projects, the Republicans in turn promise not raising taxes. Over spending is our problem, not your bumper sticker slogans.

Hillary, to her credit, understands that the Sanders grand promises of freebies are impossible with a Republican controlled Senate and House. She understands that it will take working with Republicans to get even some of the freebies you guys are demanding.
So far she has been the only realist in the dem race.

“I would suggest to you and to Trey that unless Hilary renounces these errors she is repub lite and voting for her is voting for more “free market” trade pacts that keep wages low the working poor poorer and on food stamps, more offshoring of jobs and tax breaks for companies that do this, well just more conservative policies in general.”

I would suggest to you and the other leftist fringe types that you can not win the election without Democrats, and liberals like Trey. Their slight deviations from extremist opinions does not make them Republican lite.

“You bring up some men using womens bathrooms issue as if it is some defining policy of Sanders but it is just a dividing issue that is of little importance IMHO.”

The social justices dumba$$es are a central part of Treys post, and you even referred to it when you told him he was pulling the ladder up behind him.

The OWS and BLM nuts are of significant importance to dems right now. They are demanding lock-step agreement with them and are alienating democrats and the few commonsense liberals that are left. They are threatening to not vote for Hillary because she isn’t extreme left enough for them.

Your rhetoric of Trey being Republican lite is no different, and no less ridiculous.

Posted by: kctim at February 22, 2016 10:16 AM
Comment #402818
Right wing economics? LOL!!! The insanity is in our overspending and the greed of the voters.

Oh Kctim, how can you be arguing with me when you have no idea of the economic problem in this country.

Trickle on economics has failed us, tax cuts for the corporations that ship jobs out of the country has failed us. Austerity has failed in other parts of the world. Despite all economic indicators telling us things are good if not great we have an income inequality that has led to a shrinking middle class. State governors using the budget excuse as the means have destroyed their states economy, Wisconsin, Louisiana and Kansas are examples of these right wing economics.

http://www.cheatsheet.com/business/5-states-where-the-middle-class-is-being-bulldozed.html/6/

Once again Sanders points to the problem, we are in an economy that requires education to compete yet as a country we have mired our college graduates in debt, a conservative austerity thing, which is paid to the banks for years instead of circulating in the economy. Funding college costs for students would benefit the country just as the GI bill did in the ‘50’s.

To pander to their voters, the left-wing promises unlimited spending on programs and projects, the Republicans in turn promise not raising taxes. Over spending is our problem, not your bumper sticker slogans.

Unlimited? I think you quote the right wing propagandist who distort the message for political gain. The same propagandist who don’t have a problem with shipping jobs overseas, who support the ever increasing profit of health insurance companies while complaining of high health care costs. Do you realize those countries with a single payer plan have less costs than out free market plan??

The same propagandist who refuse to pass infrastructure programs that would put many people to work but give tax breaks to “job creators” who fail to create jobs. The same propagandist who support the middle class being trickled on by the wealthy, which of course isn’t happening, yet complain about government spending that recirculates in the economy! I am speaking of the borrow and spend conservatives whose track record speaks for itself.

What we over spend on kctim, is the military and weapons if we judge by the budgets of the major countries on this planet.

Anyway I’m off on a tangent, hopefully you get the point. These are the real issues Sanders speaks to not the well meaning but impractical impassioned protests of today’s younger generation on college campuses. Clinton doesn’t and she is a TPP supporter which puts her in the same crowd of republican candidates who choose to use hate and fear and ridicule instead of issues to rally their base. Hence repub lite.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 22, 2016 11:32 AM
Comment #402819

J2, I can argue with you because I understand personal responsibility and basic math, and because I don’t make excuses to discount them.

“I think you quote the right wing propagandist who distort the message for political gain.”

Of course you do, if you didn’t think that, you would have to try to understand a point that doesn’t support your agenda.

“These are the real issues Sanders speaks to not the well meaning but impractical impassioned protests of today’s younger generation on college campuses.”

Those are the issues Sanders tells you what you want to hear. Others have more and it’s time they give it to you.

“Clinton doesn’t”

Actually, she has moved further left and made some of Sanders ridiculous promises, but she knows that the Constitution and the make up of the Senate and House makes it almost impossible to give you guys the nanny state you demand.

To claim liberals like Clinton or Trey are now Republican lite because they don’t support this so-called democratic socialism, is ridiculous. FFS man, you are actually trying to cull well established liberals for not being liberal enough.
If that isn’t proof of just how far left the country has gone, I don’t know what is.

Posted by: kctim at February 22, 2016 12:48 PM
Comment #402821

Kctim, dems use to support he middle class and the working guys until they went to the right and started getting their financial support from the corporations. While it may have seemed a good idea at the time it hasn’t worked out for the working class as the dems voted farther and farther to the right on economic issues.

IMHO what we are witnessing is an acknowledgement that we need to change how the economy works or become a third world nation. To save the nation from the decades of conservative economic thought we have been through, the borrow and spend, starve the beast, trickle on schemes of the right wing requires a turn to the left, a slight turn IMHO.

Ya see IMHO you guys in the right call the debt a liberal caused problem but in fact it is a conservative caused problem. As an example name a repub president since Eisenhower that has cut the debt or deficit. We all know of GWB’s borrow and spend, deregulate until we hemorrhage antics that included tax cuts while at war! You claim to know of responsibility yet you support the team that would do something so economically foolish, just think if FDR would have cut taxes during the 5 years of WWII. What does your knowledge of basic math tell you about this type of self inflicted chicanery.

Trade agreements that do not take US labor or environmental concerns into consideration is a problem both parties seem to have brought upon us. Have you seen a trade agreement either party didn’t like, despite watching the jobs go overseas? So with that in mind maybe Sanders ideas are do their due, even if it is with Hillary in charge. I mean these the the big issues of today not some silly bathroom thing you guys seem to think is important.

Oh BTW I was referring to black lives matter and I guess you were to when you mentioned BLM,(which I mistook for the Cliven Bundy’s of the world) when I suggested Trey may be pulling the ladder up behind him.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 22, 2016 1:48 PM
Comment #402823

J2, I would be willing to wager that both Clinton and Trey agree with at least 90% of that rhetoric, so how does slight differences on a few solutions make them Republicans?

“So with that in mind maybe Sanders ideas are do their due”

Despite the fact that Sanders ideas are about as anti American and unconstitutional as we could get, you are ignoring a major part of Treys post: He believes Sanders is an “unelectable socialist.” And even if dem voters prove Trey wrong on that and Sanders were to somehow win the election, he still has to convince a Republican Senate and House to throw away every principle they have in order to support his ideas. Trey seems to understand that and would rather get something instead of nothing.

“I mean these the the big issues of today not some silly bathroom thing you guys seem to think is important.”

As Trey points out, these social justice warriors are pulling the party even further to the left and it is making moderate democrats and normal liberals feel uneasy. THAT is a big issue for the party.
You can’t just simply ignore something like that because the guy down the street has more than you.

Posted by: kctim at February 22, 2016 2:25 PM
Comment #402851

Perhaps I should take a stab at the original thrust of this article. I’ve never been too keen for the SJW crowd. OWS, BLM and the rest seem to make a lot of ruckus about perceived problems, but they are always silent when it comes to actual solutions that might stance a chance at fixing those problems. Ultimately, I feel they are quite benign apart from the annoyance I may experience when a “protest” prevents me from accessing an amenity or service that I may want. Given this, I do not feel threatened by the rise of Sanders or the meanderings of Clinton. I have zero intention of truly supporting either campaign, but I do not feel excluded in any way.

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 23, 2016 8:29 AM
Comment #402853

Perceived problems? Annoyance? Not threatened by the evil corporate owned Clinton? Actual solutions instead of unicorns and rainbows?

According to this new liberalism and its SJWs that are sweeping the party, that makes you Republican-lite, Warren.

Posted by: kctim at February 23, 2016 9:09 AM
Comment #402869

Considering that I have seriously contemplated voting for one or more Republican candidates over the past few months, I am not surprised. We certainly live in interesting times.

Posted by: Warren Porter at February 23, 2016 1:42 PM
Comment #402870

Don’t feel bad Warren. Ike Skelton did, and still would, get my vote.
He11, I even contemplated voting for Hillary before her big makeover.

Posted by: kctim at February 23, 2016 2:14 PM
Comment #402916
Don’t feel bad Warren. Ike Skelton did, and still would, get my vote. He11, I even contemplated voting for Hillary before her big makeover.


My point exactly when I say repub lite kctim. A vote for Hilary is a vote for Wall St and the billionaires to continue perverting our system of government. Just as a vote for Trump/Cruz/Rubio/Kasich/Carson is a vote for Wall St and the billionaires perverting our system of government.

The issues raised by OWS are important to the economy and the next generations of Americans, As is the focus on the police state and the infiltration of the police force in this country by far right racist extremist the BLM champions. Just not,IMHO, as important as getting the middle class growing in this country.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 24, 2016 11:04 AM
Comment #402920

J2, a persons concern or position on one or two issues is not what should determine where they fall on the left-right divide.

It is silly to suggest Hillary and people like Trey are Republican lite simply because they don’t fall for the Wall Street conspiracies as hard as the far-leftists do.
It is silly to suggest life-long democrats are Republican lite simply because they aren’t social justice warriors who believe they deserve special treatment, are entitled to the property of others, and who see racism, sexism or whatever, behind every corner.

Just a short twenty years ago a candidate preaching what Hillary does today would have been considered to be on the far-left fringe of the party and dangerous candidates like Sanders weren’t given any serious thought. But now Hillary is republican lite because of fringe groups like OWS and racist groups like BLM?
Give me a break.

Posted by: kctim at February 24, 2016 12:05 PM
Comment #402961

I don’t buy arguments that Hillary is necessarily more electable. I think any Democratic Party choice will get equally intense backlash from the Right, in no small part because those are the only political tactics they have left in their playbook.

Honestly, if you had asked me in 2000 whether the country was ready for a black President, I would say theoretically yes, but practically no. I certainly wouldn’t have predicted that Barack Hussein Obama II would have been elected! I also wouldn’t have predicted the rise of the Tea Party in 2010, given how bad the Republican Party had crashed and burned in the elections before.

I’m not sure about Bernie Sanders myself, but I didn’t go with the electability argument in 2008, when Hillary Clinton first ran for President, so why should I go for that now?

I’m reserving my judgment for the time being, though my room for choice is closing down fast with the approaching Primary. So, let’s discuss what’s good and bad about both. I’m not going to go on about Hillary’s problem with Republicans. You can’t really fix what’s become a dogmatic article of faith in the GOP. The question is whether the Clintons have learned from last time.

As far as Sanders goes, I’d say my principle concern is not that he’s an unrealistic candidate. I mean, damn it to hell, look at who the Republican Party is pushing. TRUMP. That classless SOB. We’re not dealing with a typical party election. His policy proposals might be pie in the sky, but then, whose aren’t? Again, we’re looking like we’re going to be matched against Mr. Build a Wall on the border.

My concern is about whether Sanders has the organizational strength, not just to win, but to change policy once elected. Of course, it’s perfectly possible a great many pendulums will be swinging back to the left, so I’ve got to keep that in mind.

I’ve heard the simplistic arguments on both sides. I’ve got a Bernie Supporter on one side, a Clinton supporter on the other. Last time the nomination was open, I picked Obama based not just on Charisma and policy, but also on the ability to organize that I observed, the policy-wonkishness. In preparing for next Tuesday’s Texas primary, I’m going to have to consider who succeeds that sort of epochal leader.

What I want to know, really, is whether Hillary Clinton is going to remedy the current situation in the National legislature, and that of the states. Her people have been way too comfortable letting the safe seats stand, rather than employing the fifty-state strategy that won so overwhelmingly in 2008. Just playing for the Presidency is a weak game, in my opinion. We need to start winning locally and nationally, if we’re going to succeed in redistricting, among other things. At the same time, nobody denies that the Clintons are fantastic at bare-knuckle political brawling and the social side of the legislative process, something I’ve heard even Obama suffered at.

I suppose the best choice might be both. But I’m going to be looking at things before I make a decision.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at February 25, 2016 11:06 AM
Comment #402963
It is silly to suggest Hillary and people like Trey are Republican lite simply because they don’t fall for the Wall Street conspiracies as hard as the far-leftists do.

Kctim, You may be right, I feel bad for insulting Trey and Hillary by calling them repub lite. It is very disparaging, I’m sure, and they don’t deserve to be insulted in such a way. So yes I do apologize for the insult.

You on the other hand, with your silly wall street conspiracy nonsense, do deserve what you get. To think that wall street provides so much money to politicians for the good of the community is sillier than anything I have ever said.

Posted by: j2t2 at February 25, 2016 11:28 AM
Comment #402985

J2, I have been labeled a liberal by conservatives and a conservative by liberals. Atheists have called me a religious fundy, and Christians have called me a heathen. People always resort to what they think are personal insults when they know they have lost, so feel free to insult away.

“To think that wall street provides so much money to politicians for the good of the community”

I never stated that, but yet you eagerly jump to that conclusion simply because I don’t toe the progressive/OWS/Sanders line on the subject.

Just can’t help yourself, can you?

Posted by: kctim at February 25, 2016 4:22 PM
Comment #402989

Stephen

“So, let’s discuss what’s good and bad about both.”

Sanders
The good: He is pulling the democratic party further to the left and with the majority of democrats now identifying as liberals, I think his success will help better define where the party stands on the issues. IMO, a new party platform is not out of the question.
He has also excited many young voters, who will in turn feel invested in the party and become active in its future.

The bad: Nothings free and even democrats are seriously questioning how we are going to pay for all of the promises he is making.
The voter backlash from him not being able to fulfill his promises if elected. He would need a ton more support in the House and Senate to get even a tiny bit of what he wants.

Clinton
The good: Well known. Support from the establishment. Female. Knows how to play the game.

The bad: Scandal ridden. Large number of democrats don’t trust her, even large number of Americans don’t trust her. Wall Street ties make it harder to put the money label on Republican candidate. Chose to make the 2nd Amendment a campaign issue.

Posted by: kctim at February 25, 2016 5:00 PM
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