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Clinton's two Miracles: Benghazi & the Debt Ceiling

After so much fervor over the past 3 years regarding her actions on 9/11/12, Hillary Clinton finally returns to the House Select Committee on Benghazi to offer her testimony.

Despite her competent leadership on the day the Benghazi annex was attacked, Republican accusations of mismanagement have kept this “scandal” from withering away. Clinton has alleged a partisan motive from the beginning and recently, she has been vindicated. Clearly, the Republican vendetta against Clinton is collapsing upon itself. Such is the nature of a structure built on such a lousy foundation. Now, with the allegations posed by Bradley Podliska, the whole paper castle is tumbling down.

This is too bad. The revelation that Clinton not only maintained a private email server as Secretary of State, but also the fact that she continues to lie about her motives for doing so continues to impugn her candidacy. Still, even here Republicans focus on the wrong aspects of the scandal. Allegations that Clinton mishandled classified information will be fruitless. Clinton is too smart to be caught with her pants down like that. A truly damaging investigation would focus on Clinton's arrogant insistence that she not use a government server like everyone else. But alas, that isn't the focus of Trey Gowdy and his stooges.

Instead, today's hearing was filled with sophomoric allegations regarding Clinton's relationship with Sidney Blumenthal and other minutia. There were also plenty of allegations that were clearly inconsistent with the facts that we know, such as the accusation that Clinton or Obama issued a "stand down" order that prevented the military from safeguarding the Benghazi compound without jeopardizing its responsibilities elsewhere.

Now, the question I pose is what the wider ramifications of this will be? I think it is 100% clear that the GOP has resurrected Clinton's candidacy, which was once pronounced dead on this very site. With the speakership vacant, the repercussions of this flawed investigation may gain traction. There is currently a fight for the soul of the Republican Party as 40 or 50 extremist try to dictate what the other 150 GOPers must do, oblivious to their own powerlessness.

Unfortunately for conservatives, this confrontation will only serve to dynamite the entire conservative movement. The fact is there are 218 votes in the House and 60 votes in the Senate in support of Obama's status quo. Such a majority does not exist for the conservative movement. This is a reflection of our nation's center-left mentality.

It is telling to examine the demands that Paul Ryan has issued to those extremist congresspeople. Clearly, Ryan plans to raise the debt ceiling and he will do it with Democratic votes if need be. He needs to change the rules in order to defang the conservative "freedom" caucus.

I am absolutely confident the debt ceiling will be raised without any concessions from the Left. With interest rates at zero percent, there is no rational reason use such extreme measures to gain fiscal concessions. 188 Democrats know this and at least 30 Republicans understand the same. Unfortunately, the extreme right is not interested in facts or rational thought. They have a dogmatic ideology that they follow religiously and like many religious extremists, they feel compelled to resort to suicide bombing if necessary. By dealing such a devastating blow to American's trust in their governmental institutions, extremist conservatives will blow up any fragment of a chance that Republicans might win in 2016.

Posted by Warren Porter at October 15, 2015 10:08 AM
Comments
Comment #399895

See comment #399894 red column Jack’s post.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 22, 2015 11:32 PM
Comment #399899

Typical of a leftist; start out on one subject and end up on another. Start out bashing Hillary and end up bashing conservatives. Just remember one thing little boy; it’s yours and your children’s generation’s money that is being spent. I’ve already got mine and nothing Congress can do will affect that, LOL.

Posted by: Blaine at October 23, 2015 1:09 AM
Comment #399901

Blaine just how pathetic of and ass do you have to be? I mean seriously Blaine you obviously cannot rebut anything Warren has to say with anything factual or truthful so you resort to little boy! and tell us “I’ve already go mine”! I can understand you have had a tough day what with the repubs embarrassing themselves at the hearing today.

But shouldn’t you take your anger out on the repubs who dashed your hopes against the wall? After all you shouldn’t be surprised the whole thing fizzled, you have been warned here on WB for some time it was much ado about nothing.It is this lack of critical thinking you conservatives are famous for, yet you just don’t seem to learn you keep repeating the same dumb mistakes over and over.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 23, 2015 1:51 AM
Comment #399902

Biden is a Catholic, and so Hillary Clinton does not want Biden to become the Democrat Nominee for President, because of what is happening in the European Union.

This is why Hillary Clinton wants to be the Democrat Nominee for President, even though the Bush Clinton Dictatorship of America began in 1981 with the Actor Ronald Reagan being a Puppet of Vice President Bush, and Hillary Clinton was the Real and Secret President of America under what is best described as the Vice Presidency of Bill Clinton, and Hillary Clinton is the Real President of America during the Puppet Obama Administration.

We can see that America is not a Democracy, because the Bush Clinton Regime has been in Power since 1981, and these things go against the Principles of Democracy, and other Countries and People notice this.

There are People who think that there are Politicians in the European Union who think that the European Union will Eradicate Catholicism and Islam in the European Union.

There are People who think that the reason some European Union Politicians want Turkey to join the European Union is because Islam can be Eradicated from Turkey, once Turkey joins the European Union.

We have seen what occurred with the Corrupt Vote regarding the some of those Countries who are on the Executive Board of UNESCO, which is Illegal considering that United Nations Security Council Resolution 1244 is in place.

We have seen the History of Evil and Injustices committed by Catholicism and Islam on Continental Europe, and which is continuing today against Serbia, and will continue against others unless Catholicism and Islam are Totally Eradicated from Europe.

European Countries with significant Catholic populations are Austria, Belgium, Croatia, France, Germany, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Monaco, Poland, Portugal, San Marino, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, West Ukraine, and Vatican City.

We have seen the former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, who is a Catholic, and who Maliciously Slandered Slobodan Milosevic and Serbia in order to Illegally and Immorally wage War against the Serbian People in the interests of Islam in Europe.

There are European Union Politicians who know that the European Union needs more Money, because we saw that there was little Money for Greece, and there could some European Union Politicians who think that the Assets of Catholicism and Islam in the European Union who help the situation.

There could be European Union Politicians who think that there would be less Refugees to the European Union, if Islam was forbidden in the European Union, but America’s Illegal and Immoral Wars in the Middle East are the main contributors to the Refugees situation in Europe.

Posted by: Journalist at October 23, 2015 5:15 AM
Comment #399910

“Clearly, Ryan plans to raise the debt ceiling and he will do it with Democratic votes if need be.”

IMO, that is the true Clinton miracle. This total disregard for the future of the country will cause many Americans to vote 3rd party or just sit home.

Posted by: kctim at October 23, 2015 11:07 AM
Comment #399914

Hillary knocked it out of the park yesterday at the Benghazi hearing. It would be virtually impossible for anyone to make a better case for her being president than what was shown on nationwide tv. She delivered testimony for 8 hours and 20 minutes, and the entire time she demonstrated a complete command of the workings of State and foreign policy. She remained cool in the face of almost constant hectoring, badgering, and outright rude behavior during an adversarial prosecution and persecution. She never committed a gaffe, and her opponents left the hearing with egg on their face. It really was an amazing performance. Start measuring the curtains in the Oval Office, Madame President.

She sat through an 11 hour hearing and looked incredibly collected and centered at all times. The woman is 67 years old! She attributes her performance to yoga. I believe it. Yoga has great benefits.

kctim,
Cheer up. Obama saved this country from another Great Depression, and now we’re experiencing a resurgent economy, low interest rates, no inflation, a booming housing market, nearly full employment, and a sustainable growth pace that can be maintained for a long time. President Hillary Clinton will build on that.

Isn’t it nice not having two recessions in eight years, and not invading another country under false pretenses, and not experiencing another 9/11 attack, and not watching the federal government flounder for a week when a major city is devastated by a natural disaster?

Cheer up. Good things happen with liberals in charge. Bad things happen when conservatives take charge. Don’t you like good things better than bad things?

Posted by: phx8 at October 23, 2015 11:49 AM
Comment #399915

phx8, knocked it out of the park and tore the cover off of it. The Republican congressmen and women appeared weary and tired of the farce. As I understand, most if not all had to attend the meetings the night before regarding the house speakership and that didn’t finish until well past midnight and into the next day. They were beat before they got there yesterday. As I said in an earlier comment this appearance couldn’t have been more fortuitous for Hillary if she had written the script herself. Although Lawrence O’Donnell had a take on it that seemed to make sense. With his experience in the workings of Congress he noted that there was no general counsel appointed by Trey Gowdy but instead the duties normally assumed by that position were parsed out to different individual members of the committee. His take was that without a counsel to focus the committee’s objectives, the committee was doomed from the start. Personally I don’t think anything could have stopped the steamroller that Hillary became during this whole process.

Posted by: Speak4all at October 23, 2015 12:30 PM
Comment #399916

Phx8,
Wake up. For the average American, things really aren’t any different than they were ten or so years ago. Unemployment supposedly in the 5s, but same number of people on the corners. Booming housing market, but tons of homes still sitting empty. Prices going up and people having a hard time making it. Rampant debt.

Cheer up about what? The more intrusive government? The record number of people not in the workforce? The record number of people receiving government handouts? The further infringement on freedom of choice? Health insurance doubling in the last two years? The 12 million illegal aliens? The PC nonsense and intentional racial divide we got from liberals being in charge? The constant attacks on our individual rights?
Americans knowingly voting for a lying dishonest hypocritical unqualified woman to be President, simply because she is a woman, supports gay-marriage, abortion and redistribution of others wealth?

Sorry, but me not getting more government over eight years and silly conspiracy theories are not why I need cheering up.

Wake up and stop being a partisan homer.

Posted by: kctim at October 23, 2015 12:59 PM
Comment #399918

HRC went on an epic roll this past week. She crushed it in a debate, her biggest rival for the White House decided not to run, and when she faced a Republican Committee designed to derail her presidential bid, she destroyed the Committee in front of a nationwide television audience. It doesn’t get much better than that.

Interesting about the GOP congressmen and women being tired from the night before. That would explain why they looked so bad on tv, and why they seemed so unprepared. The New Yorker had a funny headline: “Clinton Thanks Benghazi Committee for Invaluable Service to Her Campaign.” Congressmen Jordan and Roskam came across as terrible people. Did they forget they were being televised? The AL Representative, asked Clinton a series of questions that was the funniest part of the night.

“Clinton’s calm demeanor cracked under an early evening line of questioning from Alabama Rep. Martha Roby, who wanted to know what she was doing after she left the office and went home from the State Department on the night of the attack.

“I was alone,” said Clinton, who seemed surprised by the question.

“The whole night?” asked Roby. “Yes, the whole night,” Clinton said before launching into her famous guffawing laugh.

“I don’t know why that is funny.”

The audience laughed, but Rep. Roby was so humorless, so utterly lacking in self-awareness, that she did not even realize what she had asked. Hillary was awesome. That was my favorite moment of the hearing. I am pretty sure that is the last time we’ll ever hear of that backbencher.

The worst of all was Pompeo from Kansas. He represents the Koch Brothers. Their HQ is in his district. They must be palm-slapping their foreheads about now. Pompeo’s questions were so bad, someone tweeted that he should just go over and administer the oath of office right there and then.

It is a good time for all of us, Speak. The forces that would shut down the government, default on the debt, wage a War on Women, and spread bigotry and hatred in the name of religious freedom took an epic drubbing yesterday at the hands of a super-competent Democratic candidate. Doesn’t get much better!

Posted by: phx8 at October 23, 2015 1:16 PM
Comment #399919

kctim,
Sounds like you are ready to join an Occupy Wall Street movement. You’re right, there is more work to do, especially in regards to wage growth and the absurd concentration of wealth among the richest of the rich, while everyone else has been left flat. We saved the economy. Now we can do better with wages.

Since we are near full employment, competition for employees will drive up wages as a simple matter of supply and demand. We are already seeing it. However, an increase in the minimum wage would help. So would increasing the SS payroll cap to at least $250,000.

The housing market where I am is red hot. Don’t know about empty houses. A survey of home builders last week showed the greatest confidence and optimism since 2005.

Name one of YOUR choices that have been infringed. Has your health insurance doubled in two years? I flat out do not believe that. Name a way in which the presence of an illegal alien has hurt YOU. Name a way in which your freedom has decreased.

All that pessimism when there is so much to be optimistic about must be tough. Pessimism is its own punishment. Sorry you can not see the good in things.

Posted by: phx8 at October 23, 2015 1:26 PM
Comment #399923

Just saw an interview with a Texas Republican congress critter, sorry can’t remember his name. He seemed to be saying that Ryan will be the new House Speaker and when asked specifically if the debt ceiling will be raised without drama he said “yes”. He had an interesting thought though, he proposed that Congress under Ryan would be focused on encouraging small government with less spending but also an absolute no defaults on our debts policy. This is strange but that is beginning to sound like a rational argument when put that way. Let’s just hope it doesn’t turn into what has clearly happened in the recent past, “just say no to everything and stop government in it’s tracks”. I can only hope.

Posted by: Speak4all at October 23, 2015 2:35 PM
Comment #399924

I’m curious, did the left watch the same hearing as I did? “Knocked it out of the park?”, Does the left live in fantasy and?

j2’s comments:

Blaine just how pathetic of and ass do you have to be? I mean seriously Blaine you obviously cannot rebut anything Warren has to say with anything factual or truthful so you resort to little boy! and tell us “I’ve already go mine”! I can understand you have had a tough day what with the repubs embarrassing themselves at the hearing today.

But shouldn’t you take your anger out on the repubs who dashed your hopes against the wall? After all you shouldn’t be surprised the whole thing fizzled, you have been warned here on WB for some time it was much ado about nothing.It is this lack of critical thinking you conservatives are famous for, yet you just don’t seem to learn you keep repeating the same dumb mistakes over and over.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 23, 2015 1:51 AM

First, I’m not disappointed at the Republicans. They did the best they could do, considering the Democrats on the panel were there, not to find out any facts, but to protect Hillary. The left doesn’t care that 4 Americans were killed.

Secondly, WP who has already said he did not support and would not vote for Hillary, spent the last 4 paragraphs slamming Republicans for having differences in opinion and some not wanting to raise the debt limit. His comments are hypocritical; he has issues with Hillary (why: because of difference of opinion), yet he attacks the Republican House for (having difference of opinion). Evidently, in the mind of WP, only Democrats are allowed to have difference of opinion. Regarding “little boy”; I’m almost 3 times the age of WP. He is a little boy by age when compared to mine, and he is a little boy in his mental ability to understand what is going on in America. My age gives me 3 times as much life experience a WP. I was Democrat at one time, I was Republican, and now I’m independent. WP grew up in a liberal Democrat home and was taught by left wing liberal professors…and that is the extent of his life experience. He supports a party that wants to continue to drive up the US debt and he supports a party who has consistently spent SS benefits. So I say to him, you better save your money…there will be no SS for you or your children. And yes, I have mine…I invested for many years and I have a good retirement income. So yes, I have mine.

Posted by: Blaine at October 23, 2015 2:37 PM
Comment #399925

Phx8

OWS is out of the question for me. I envy no one and I do not see myself as a perpetual victim who is entitled to the property of others.

You want to see empty houses, visit Stockton CA. or Vegas.

“Name one of YOUR choices that have been infringed.”

Health care insurance. When you are penalized for the choice you make, your freedom of choice is being infringed upon.

“Has your health insurance doubled in two years? I flat out do not believe that.”

Of course you don’t, it doesn’t help you in getting the government health care you desire. Nobody’s premiums have increased. Nobody lost their plan. Nobody had to change doctors. Nobody has been denied care. We all are saving $2500+ a year.

“Name a way in which the presence of an illegal alien has hurt YOU.”

As an American, they broke the laws my government set and that I follow. You know, 9-11 didn’t “hurt me,” but it sure as hell impacted my life.

If that’s not good enough, then the billions and billions of taxpayer dollars wasted on them don’t go to American citizens, and I have to listen to liberals demand more money.

“Name a way in which your freedom has decreased.”

Where would you like to start? Freedom to assemble? Of religion? To keep and bear arms? Unreasonable searches and seizures? No knock warrants? Or you want to start with something easy like property or what the NSA is now doing?

Actually, Warren’s topic is Hillary so let’s respect him and discuss her. You know, someone posts a fact and you ignore it so you can excuse her actions.

Posted by: kctim at October 23, 2015 2:42 PM
Comment #399930

In other words, no impact on you. Got it.

Posted by: phx8 at October 23, 2015 3:12 PM
Comment #399931

You just refuse to acknowledge the impact because I do not fall for the money trumps individual rights BS.

Pretty much also explains the dishonest excuses and blind defense of Clinton.

Posted by: kctim at October 23, 2015 3:21 PM
Comment #399932

I’m impressed- and not in a good way- by the constant refrain conservatives direct at Obama and HRC. It never stops- they lie, they are dishonest, they are corrupt- and yet, when it comes time for evidence and proof, POOF! Nothing there. And they simply move on to the next fake scandal or conspiracy. HRC crushes the Benghazi Committee. The Committee is left spluttering. And conservative are right back to the same refrain.

Not every conservative goes along with every denial and false accusation, but in general, it goes something like this:

Hillary is a liar, Obama is a liar, the economy under Obama is bad, the economy under Bush was good, economic statistics are faked, the books are cooked, the unemployment numbers are fixed, the stock market is being artificially pumped up by the Federal Reserve, a nuclear non-proliferation deal with Iran is a bad idea, global warming is a worldwide hoax coordinated by almost all of the scientists in the world, evolution is “just a theory,” spending 17 months on an investigation of the death of four people in Benghazi is a good idea, spending months on the investigation of how gun ownership contributed to 9 innocents being massacred at Umpqua CC is a bad idea, Obama is a Muslim/Communist/Socialist follower of Reverend Wright, Obama hates America and Christians, Obama is a weak leader, Obama is a tyrant, Obama is lawless and unconstitutional…

When nothing every comes to fruition- when nothing ever pans out- surely, somewhere in the back of the conservative mind there must be a glimmer of doubt.

Gee… maybe all those accusations of lying and dishonesty and all those conspiracy theories and smears… maybe- just maybe- they’re wrong.

Posted by: phx8 at October 23, 2015 3:56 PM
Comment #399933

phx8, all I want to know is:

When do I have to report to the FEMA re-education camp?

What death panel will I need to go in front of?

When will the gays be coming for my marriage?

When will they be coming for my guns?

Where is my freedom of religion?

And finally why is that Marxist, Socialist, Communist, Kenyan sympathizer still in the White House?

The answer to those questions reside in the minds of the same people who propagated them. But be careful you enter the area of a riddle, wrapped in a mystery inside of an enigma (Churchill).

Posted by: Speak4all at October 23, 2015 4:06 PM
Comment #399935

Dismissing, ignoring and excusing evidence does not mean there is nothing there.

Posted by: kctim at October 23, 2015 4:24 PM
Comment #399937

Speaks,

I would answer all those questions for you, but I am right on the verge of exposing the coup of 2000, how Bush planned 9-11, how the US became a theocracy and outlawed abortion, and what cliff the Republicans pushed all those old people off of.

PS. I’m always investigating how the 1% stole all of the money, so don’t believe them if “they” tell you that I haven’t been seen since I went hunting with Cheney.

Posted by: kctim at October 23, 2015 4:32 PM
Comment #399941

I’m still amazed at how badly the Republican congressmen and women on that Benghazi committee performed. I can understand how being up late the night before would have degraded their performance. Still, they knew about this date for a long time. The questions should have been prepared in advance. They seemed poorly prepared. A single person asking questions would have been more effective, but this was an investigation, not a prosecution (or so they said). Instead questions seemed uncoordinated and almost random. Part of the blame falls on Gowdy, but the individuals on the committee have to shoulder some of the blame too. This was their best shot to derail the presidential campaign of the Democrat’s leading candidate. They knew they were going on television. When the time came, the men and women looked awful on camera, not only physically- some were sweating copiously, and Gowdy looked like a corpse- but also in terms of their demeanor. The kind of nasty, snarky approaches taken by a few of the men came across very poorly. Didn’t anyone brief them? Didn’t anyone prepare?

All they managed to do was make Hillary Clinton look incredibly cool, calm, collected, competent, and presidential.

I don’t think that was the outcome they were going for.

Posted by: phx8 at October 23, 2015 5:31 PM
Comment #399942

I find it interesting that liberals post the same things on different boards within what seems like minutes of each other.
I swear I just read these ‘unprepared Republicans’ and ‘Republicans helped Clinton become President’ talking points on other sites.

Why, it’s almost like you guys are trying to form an opinion of Hillary, instead of letting people form their own truthful opinion of her.
LOL

Posted by: kctim at October 23, 2015 5:43 PM
Comment #399943

Then again, it just might be because it is so obvious.

Posted by: phx8 at October 23, 2015 5:50 PM
Comment #399945

There are only 3 or 4 leftist on WB that make these identical post. They are the liberal talking points. If you read liberal blogs or watch th liberal MSM, you will again hear the same talking points. They are incapable of rational thought, they simply parrot the talking points.

It is certainly meant to form public opinion. But public opinion of Hillary is not good. She is not liked, she’s a liar, and she is not trusted. She has gone down in the polls, and there is no logical reason to believe that will change.

Posted by: Blaine at October 23, 2015 6:16 PM
Comment #399948

It is not liberal talking points. It is simple observation. The contrast between a cool and collected Hillary Clinton and a sweat glistening Trey Gowdy spoke volumes.

Posted by: Rich at October 23, 2015 8:12 PM
Comment #399950

Rich,
Who are you going to believe, Blaine or your lying eyes?

Posted by: phx8 at October 23, 2015 8:24 PM
Comment #399952

Let’s take a look at a recent poll:

A new poll shows The National Rifle Association is more popular than the Democratic party’s two most prominent members, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

According to the Gallup Poll, 58 percent of Americans surveyed said they have a favorable view of the gun rights group, while 35 percent said they have an unfavorable view.

“In a year plagued with mass shootings, including a recent tragedy at a community college in Oregon, there has been a national debate as to whether the NRA, with its ardent support for gun rights, is somehow complicit in these shootings,” Gallup points out.

“Gallup’s survey shows that, even after shootings nationwide, Americans overall still have a favorable opinion of the NRA, as they typically have, suggesting that the public may not be specifically blaming the organization for the crimes of those who commit mass shootings.”

Compare this to recent approval ratings for the president and former secretary of state, who is running for the Democratic nomination for president, and recently announced that she would support tougher gun laws once in office.

According to a Gallup Poll between Oct.19-21, just under 50 percent approve of Obama’s job performance, while 45 percent disapprove. Meanwhile, in a NBC/Wall Street Journal survey of Americans taken Oct. 15-18, 39 percent of those surveyed had a favorable view of Clinton, compared to 48 percent with an unfavorable view.

That’s a 39% favorable view of HRC. But I’m sure that after the American people have time to digest the answers Hillary gave at the hearing, that she will surely come up in the polls.

What shall we believe, a Gallup Poll or the left’s lying talking points.

Oh wait a minute, Rich says, “It is not liberal talking points.”

Then how come we can identify your comments, word for word with those of the MSM?

Posted by: Blaine at October 23, 2015 8:38 PM
Comment #399954

Blaine,

Give this parroting of talking points a break.

It was clear from Clinton’s demeanor during the hearing that she didn’t fear the Republicans’ questions. She knew that they had nothing. She was in charge and welcomed the opportunity to answer. As the hearing progressed, she looked fresh and capable. On the other hand, Trey Gowdy, glistening in sweat, looked uncertain and as if it was he who had been on the “hot seat” for eleven hours.

Nothing the Republicans could have done would have made Hillary appear more competent and capable under stress than subjecting her to the House Select Committee’s hearing on Benghazi.

It not only made them appear stupid but callous in subjecting a former Secretary of State to some sort of weird extended public interrogation. Particularly when they had not a shred of evidence to impeach her current of former testimony.


Posted by: Rich at October 23, 2015 9:21 PM
Comment #399955

Well then Rich, if you are correct then the 39% favorable and the 48% unfavorable view of Clinton should be reversed. Tell me, how do you win the presidency with a 39% favorable rating?

Regarding the parroting; I will give it a rest when you can explain to me why leftist bloggers (you) and leftist media are saying the same things as Hillary’s leftist spokespeople?

I don’t if Gowdy was sweating down the crack of his rear end. You see Rich, it doesn’t matter what Hillary does and it doesn’t matter what the Republicans do. All you guys are doing is farting in the wind. What really matters is what the American people will do next November and my money is on whoever runs against HRC. You’ve bet on the wrong nag…the old grey mare.

Posted by: Blaine at October 23, 2015 10:41 PM
Comment #399956

Blaine,
People are saying the same thing because people saw and heard the same thing.

Let’s see where HRC’s polls go after this week. That was one of the best weeks you will ever see a politician go through. She killed it in the first Democratic debate, her main competitor announced he would not run, and then she killed it again in the Benghazi hearing. Nt only did she put a stake in the heart of the Benghazi conspiracies, any future GOP committees will automatically begin with a big credibility problem.

Oh, and in case you missed it, the DOJ announced they were ending the two year IRS investigation. They found nothing whatsoever. Zero. Zip. Nada. Another conspiracy laid to rest.

HRC will pick up the vast majority of Biden supporters in polling. Meanwhile, public approval of the GOP is significantly lower than the Democrats, and it gets even worse if you look at how Americans view the Republican Congress. The GOP is viewed so unfavorably by its own supporters, they would rather go with entry level candidates with no political experience whatsoever, like Trump and Carson, than Republican Senators and Governors. It doesn’t get much more damning than that.

Posted by: phx8 at October 23, 2015 11:20 PM
Comment #399957
First, I’m not disappointed at the Republicans.

Of course you aren’t Blaine, despite the 3 years of braying, over nothing as it turns out.

They did the best they could do,

I agree, yet one has to wonder why you set the bar so low when it comes to your ideology. Were the tables turned you would be braying about how bad the dems were.

considering the Democrats on the panel were there, not to find out any facts, but to protect Hillary.

Facts, Blaine once again would you recognize a fact if it bit you on the ass? The facts have been out there for years as far as the embassy attack is concerned. To listen to you guys one would think this was our first goat roping concerning embassies.

The left doesn’t care that 4 Americans were killed.

Such pathetic drivel Blaine. I suppose your logic is this hearing was not a political witch hunt but a search for the reason why 4 Americans were killed. That is laughable Blaine because not even your foolish conservative friends will buy that line of crap any more, Hell ther repubs told you it was about politics! The fact is the dems you claim were protecting Hilary were more interested in protecting Americans while the repubs were more interested in a political victory despite the 4 Americans being killed. They have told you that yet you blather.

Regarding “little boy”; I’m almost 3 times the age of WP. He is a little boy by age when compared to mine,

No Blaine he isn’t. Your age is irrelevant. Your intent is to insult, a personal attack on the writer not his opinion, and because you cannot use reason and or logic to rebut his opinion you resort to name calling. At your age it is pathetic.

and he is a little boy in his mental ability to understand what is going on in America. My age gives me 3 times as much life experience a WP.

Once again your ego gets in the way of reality. You actually think you know what is going on yet you spout myths and misinformation. These foolish comments of yours prove that despite being 3 times his age you do not have 3 times the mental ability or experience.

But even being 3 times his age doesn’t mean he is a little boy. It only proves you have to resort to attempting to insulting him because you cannot rebut his comments intelligently.

Age gives you wrinkles Blaine. Anyone with experience knows better than to insult intelligent young men with angry remarks because you disagree with the young man’s opinion.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 24, 2015 1:29 AM
Comment #399959

“The Globe reviewed the language used by 19 presidential candidates, Democrats and Republicans, in speeches announcing their campaigns for the 2016 presidential election. The review, using a common algorithm called the Flesch-Kincaid readability test that crunches word choice and sentence structure and spits out grade-level rankings, produced some striking results.”

Bernie Sanders: 10th grade
Hillary Clinton, Jeb Bush: 8th grade
Ben Carson: 6th grade
Donald Trump: 4th grade

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2015/10/20/donald-trump-and-ben-carson-speak-grade-school-level-that-today-voters-can-quickly-grasp/LUCBY6uwQAxiLvvXbVTSUN/story.html

Posted by: phx8 at October 24, 2015 2:23 PM
Comment #399960

And just for fun, here is a link to the free readability score. Just copy, paste, and hit ‘enter.’ I used this for assessing the language level of my novel. Anyone can use it, and it kind of interesting. It can even be used for WB comments.

https://readability-score.com/

Posted by: phx8 at October 24, 2015 2:32 PM
Comment #399961

j2, I have not been on WB for 3 years, so no braying here.

Facts, Blaine once again would you recognize a fact if it bit you on the ass? The facts have been out there for years as far as the embassy attack is concerned. To listen to you guys one would think this was our first goat roping concerning embassies.

Sorry j2, but she lied to the panel and there were facts.

Regarding the 4 Americans killed; if the left was concerned about their deaths, the would want facts and not protection for HRC.

Regarding “insult intelligent young men”; we can tie this in with phx8’s comment. The left always considers themselves to be the scholars to be the idiots. Ronald Reagan was a dufus illiterate, George H was just plain stupid, George W was a cowboy with no intelligence, and of course Trump was to be considered to have intellectual deficiency. I told my wife about 3 hours ago; I wonder how long it will be before the left starts attacking Carson’s intelligence… Thank you ph for not disappointing me. Only in the mind of a liberal could a brain surgeon (who by way separated Siamese twins) be an idiot with a 6th grade education. Sorry, but the only idiots are those pseudo-scholars from the left.

By the way j2; are you the adult coming to the aid of the little boy? I call him a little boy because his comments lack understanding of life’s realities and they are adolescent. But yours and ph’s comments are worse than that. They lack coherence.

Posted by: Blaine at October 24, 2015 4:08 PM
Comment #399962

Blaine,
I don’t think you understand. The candidates do not have 4th, 6th, or 8th grade educations. Their speaking style reflects their approach to politics and the degree to which they dwell on issues. If anything, the grade level is a reflection of their audience, not the speaker.

Trump, for example, makes an almost entirely emotional appeal in short, simple sentences. There is almost no attempt to address any issue in any kind of depth. There is no content. For example:

The military will be huge! Oh, it will be so strong, so strong! Believe me, you wait and see, no one will ever do anything to us again, ever. And I mean ever. You know why? You know why? Because they know I am a strong leader. That’s why!

Carson is like a lot of doctors. They are experts in one very important field that requires some intelligence. As a result, they usually have big egos. They imagine expertise in one field makes them an expert in everything. Carson is a classic example. He is a doctor, yet the moment he tries to talk about politics, religion, or social issues, he regularly says astoundingly stupid things. Do you want a list? Because he does it a lot. Some of the stuff is way, way out there.

For example, in 2014 he predicted the 2016 election would be cancelled because anarchy might force Obama to declare martial law.

He said Congress should be able to remove federal judges for rulings on marriage equality that ran contrary to state rulings.

He said being gay is a choice because prison turns people gay.

“Obamacare is really I think the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery.” Yeah. He said that.

He said Obama was intentionally depressing the economy in order to keep people on welfare and dependent on him.

He compared America under Obama to Nazi Germany.

Sheesh! It just goes on and on. If you want more great quotes from Ben Carson, just let me know. There are lots of links available. It’s not like anyone is making him say stupid things. The stupid stuff just pops out of his mouth. What sane, intelligent person would say such things? And it’s not like he just had a bad day, or got drunk at a bar or Thanksgiving dinner. He says stuff like this all the time!

Posted by: phx8 at October 24, 2015 5:37 PM
Comment #399963

phx8 provided a link to the Boston Globe. No doubt he didn’t read the article but focused on the “Grade Level” assigned to the candidates with Trump having the ability to be understood at the 4th grade level.

I laughed out loud when the article praised Trump for his ability to be understood so easily unlike Sanders, Clinton and Bush.

Liberals appear to be headline driven while ignoring the story as seems to be the case with my great friend phx8. From his link:

“The Republican candidates — like Trump — who are speaking at a level easily understood by people at the lower end of the education spectrum are outperforming their highfalutin opponents in the polls. Simpler language resonates with a broader swath of voters in an era of 140-character Twitter tweets and 10-second television sound bites, say specialists on political speech.”

It would be interesting how high on the “readability test” our barely understood current SecState would score. Mr. Kerry is so aloof in his speech that he can only be understood by fellow “Gods”.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 24, 2015 5:38 PM
Comment #399964

LOL, thanks Royal. I didn’t even look at the article. Considering who posted it and the implications being made. The left are such low life’s. My wife and I were driving back from Florida and I actually did tell her, I wonder how long it will be before the left will try to claim Carson is unintelligent.

But here’s another thought, I read a few years ago that bible scholars believe the Bible is actually written on a 12th grade level; do you reckon the left thinks they are much smarter than God because they have college degrees and God don’t?

Posted by: Blaine at October 24, 2015 6:21 PM
Comment #399965

So you believe dumbing down in order to appeal to less educated voters is a good idea? Is it a good idea to concentrate on simple emotional appeals rather than focus on issues, since focusing on issues is too complicated? Is that what you want to see in a politician? Just want to give you a chance to put that in writing.

And did you ever see the movie “Idiocracy”?

Posted by: phx8 at October 24, 2015 6:35 PM
Comment #399966

My great friend phx8 wrote: “So you believe dumbing down in order to appeal to less educated voters is a good idea?”

LOL, the laughs continue. Now the “X” man is disparaging his own link. He asks what I believe. All I did was quote his link. LOL…thanks phx8.

Blaine writes; “I wonder how long it will be before the left will try to claim Carson is unintelligent.”

Well Blaine, Carson is able to communicate at the 6th grade level and also do brain surgery. Hillary needs a much more intelligent audience to show off her cooking and knitting skills.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 24, 2015 6:51 PM
Comment #399967

phx8, I think issues need to be explained in plain English instead of lawyereese would be a good idea, if that is dumbing things down for the less educated voters then so be it. Maybe then you would even understand what the issues are instead of taking some dumb a**ed politicians word for it.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 24, 2015 6:53 PM
Comment #399968
So you believe dumbing down in order to appeal to less educated voters is a good idea? Is it a good idea to concentrate on simple emotional appeals rather than focus on issues, since focusing on issues is too complicated? Is that what you want to see in a politician? Just want to give you a chance to put that in writing.

ph, once again you never cease to amaze me. Who is the base of the Democrat Party? Isn’t it blacks and Hispanics? Who are the uneducated masses? Isn’t it blacks and Hispanics? The left has a never ending call for money for the uneducated masses of the inner cities. Test results show that inner city schools are losing the kids. So what you want to do is talk over your base. The less educated voters ARE your voters. And the left NEVER deals with issues, they ALWAYS deal with emotion. The comment you just WROTE is based upon emotion and NOT issues. Tell me, I beg of those on the left…tell me; do you have anyone on he left that can have an intelligent conversation? For the love of God, can anyone besides phx8 write for the liberal side of this blog. He is an idiot.

Posted by: Blaine at October 24, 2015 7:01 PM
Comment #399969

Hey Rich…do you suppose the average American could understand most of the legislation passed in our name? How about the language the IRS uses…now that’s a laugh. They don’t even understand the tax laws they are charged with enforcing.

How about the Iran nuclear agreement. That is a study in first-class “flummery”.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 24, 2015 7:03 PM
Comment #399970

Blaine, Democrats just say we will give you free stuff, the rest of the crap they could care less about as long as they get the free stuff.
R.F. You need a Greek and Latin dictionary to understand the crap that comes out of congress sometimes. The average American doesn’t understand all that legal double talk.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 24, 2015 7:15 PM
Comment #399971

The average American doesn’t understand all that legal double talk.
Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 24, 2015 7:15 PM

And we know why they use that language…don’t we.

Does anyone on WB believe that Mr. Kerry could teach a three year old to tie his/her shoes? Trump and Carson would have no problem with that.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 24, 2015 7:20 PM
Comment #399972

R.F. someone has to teach Kerry first, probably the three year old.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 24, 2015 7:22 PM
Comment #399973

Question for my friends. At what point will the lefties declare Hillary to be the smartest woman in the world?

When will they demand that her image replace Jackson on the twenty dollar bill?

Is it time to have a woman’s image carved on Mt. Rushmore? Who will it be?

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 24, 2015 7:29 PM
Comment #399974

John Kerry is a perfect example of the liberal elitism of Democrats. He talks slow to give impression he is thoughtfully considering each word, and then he uses words that most Democrat voters have never even heard.

How did ph ever gain the ability to write on WB? Pick a liberal issue, any issue…the environment, fossil fuels, the debt, abortion, immigration, ect, ect, ect; they are all based on emotion. IF WE DON”T DO SOMETHING ABOUT GW, WE”RE ALL GONNA DIE; FOSSIL FUELS ARE GOING TO DESTRY THE WORLD; IF WE DON”T RAISE THE DEBT, AMERICA’S ECONOMY WILL CRASH; REPUBLICANS WAR ON WOMEN; REPUBLICAN WANT TO DEPORT 13 MILLION ILLEGALS; and of course, let’s not forget the latest, REPUBLICANS ARE TRYING TO DESTROY HRC’S PRESIDENTIAL RUN OVER NOTHING…NO EVIDENCE I TELL YOU…NO EVIDENCE.

Posted by: Blaine at October 24, 2015 7:30 PM
Comment #399975

I heard that before Obama shut down the last coal mine in WV, he had a single 100 ton lump of coal hauled to Mt. Rushmore for his own image. I’m not sure what they will do for Hillary; it’s impossible to carve a figure from slime…

Posted by: Blaine at October 24, 2015 7:35 PM
Comment #399976

Imaginary scene at Hillary’s inauguration.

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect, and defend the new democrap party of the United States.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 24, 2015 7:50 PM
Comment #399977

Meanwhile, on planet Earth…

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 24, 2015 7:51 PM
Comment #399978

Welcome back Warren. Were you studying MMGW on Pluto?

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 24, 2015 7:59 PM
Comment #399979

I will say that for all bluster from conservative commentators, it seems no one has provided evidence disputing my original thesis. The Democratic debate and subsequent Benghazi hearing revived an otherwise sputtering Clinton campaign. And now that Ryan will be elected Speaker, it is likely that the debt ceiling will be raised uncontroversially later this year. Once again, Obama and the Democrats have come out on top.

Under ordinary circumstances, HRC’s candidacy would continue to flounder under the weight of her personality flaws. She is a uniquely vile combination of arrogance, dullness and mediocrity, but the public won’t care because the GOP has done everything it can do to demonstrate the exact opposite. Ironic indeed.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 24, 2015 8:45 PM
Comment #399980

There was nothing to revive Warren, we all know she was to be the Democrats candidate. If Democrats want a lier and only God knows what else for their Presidential candidate then the party really is going to the DOGS.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 24, 2015 8:55 PM
Comment #399981

I thought all you guys concluded a month ago that HRC was toast?

I don’t know if HRC is a liar or not. If she is lying about the whole private email server debacle then it improves her image in my mind. Choosing to use a private server as a result of paranoia is something I can understand. It is something a competent, albeit craven, leader would do. However, it is far worse if HRC is telling the truth. If she chose to use the private server merely as a matter of convenience, it betrays tremendous incompetence on her part.

I think most Americans would prefer a narcissism over incompetence when it comes to choosing their leaders.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 24, 2015 9:22 PM
Comment #399982

Warren, The night of the attack she tells her family it was an attack and nothing to do with a video and the next day she says the same thing to the Egyptian president, but then tells the family members of the 4 murdered Americans that they will get the videos producers and prosecute him. She’s a LIAR and a 2 faced B***H!!! As far as the server goes we will see what the FBI investigation produces and if they come up with some BS then my faith in this country is gone.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 24, 2015 9:33 PM
Comment #399983

On the serious side Warren, how come you are able to see HRC for what she is, and yet your liberal buddies on WB continue to defend the very things you hate about her? Is this just something you see, or is this trending within the Democratic Party?

Regarding Hillary taking the oath of office; why would anyone believe she would mean it?

Regarding Hillary’s chances at the polls; I don’t think she will have the support of the American people. She is continuing to nose dive. The test will be what happens in the next week; when the new polls start coming out regarding her answers to the committee.

Posted by: Blaine at October 24, 2015 9:41 PM
Comment #399984

KAP, why would you think an FBI investigation would go anywhere. Can you imagine the FBI’s morale after their investigations and the Obama Justice Department just throwing out the Lois Lerner case? It was clear-cut IRS persecution of conservative groups, of which Obama proudly stood and said “this won’t be tolerated”. Lois Lerner flat out refused to answer questions by claiming the fifth; but even though I’m not a lawyer, it seems there could have been a way of immunity to force her to talk. JMHO

Posted by: Blaine at October 24, 2015 9:48 PM
Comment #399985

IMO Blaine, Obama would rather Clinton, with the history between the 2, get the old thrown under the bus deal. Somebody has to answer for all the screw ups in his admin. and what better person then Hillary.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 24, 2015 10:05 PM
Comment #399986

I agree, the only Obama has is his legacy of 8 years as the first black president. I don’t think there’s any love loss between them and Hillary would be looking for legacy too. What better way than to undo everything Obama has done (with the eager help of establishment republicans) and establishing her own. Kind of weird to think of it. I could see Obama throwing her under the bus.

Posted by: Blaine at October 24, 2015 10:22 PM
Comment #399987

Blaine, Yep!!!! No love lost between the 2.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 24, 2015 10:26 PM
Comment #399988

KAP,

The attack on Benghazi was conducted by Ansar al-Shariah and affiliated groups. The trailer to Mark Bassley Youssef’s The Innocence of Muslims was the catalyst for the attack:

There is no doubt that anger over the video motivated many attackers. A Libyan journalist working for The New York Times was blocked from entering by the sentries outside, and he learned of the film from the fighters who stopped him. Other Libyan witnesses, too, said they received lectures from the attackers about the evil of the film and the virtue of defending the prophet.


If it weren’t for that video, it is likely that those 4 Americans would be alive today. Besides, Mark Bassley Youssef clearly violated his probation so it was quite apparent that he would be returning to prison.

The night of the attack she tells her family it was an attack and nothing to do with a video and the next day she says the same thing to the Egyptian president
In private, HRC is free to talk about her hunches and suspicions, but when she speaks on the record, she needs to stick to the CIA’s talking points.
She’s a LIAR and a 2 faced B***H!!!
YOU WROTE IN CAPITAL LETTERS AND USED EXCESSIVE EXCLAMATION POINTS, SO WHAT YOU SAY MUST BE TRUE!!!!!
As far as the server goes we will see what the FBI investigation produces and if they come up with some BS then my faith in this country is gone.
So basically, you are telling me you have already made up your mind regardless of the FBI investigation. If the FBI investigation disagrees with your prejudgment, then you will conclude the FBI is either corrupt or incompetent rather than question your own conclusions.
how come you are able to see HRC for what she is, and yet your liberal buddies on WB continue to defend the very things you hate about her

I never voted for Bill Clinton when he ran for President. Without a doubt, this is a big factor separating me from the others.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 24, 2015 10:42 PM
Comment #399989

Warren, Go back to Pluto and see if MMGW is screwing up their environment and as I said before go back to your old handle because your reality is warped. Did the video cause the red cross from leaving Benghazi? Did the video cause the Brits to leave? The Video had NOTHING to do with the attack. There were previous attacks to that compound so the Video is NOTHING more than talking points and liberal BULLS**T!

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 24, 2015 10:54 PM
Comment #399990
So basically, you are telling me you have already made up your mind regardless of the FBI investigation. If the FBI investigation disagrees with your prejudgment, then you will conclude the FBI is either corrupt or incompetent rather than question your own conclusions.

Interesting, this is almost word for word what others said to you when you prejudged George Zimmerman when he shot Martin in self defense.

Archives are a B***h aren’t they?

Posted by: Blaine at October 24, 2015 11:13 PM
Comment #399991

Also Warren those so called protesters sure did know where and what to attack and what to bring if you knew anything about military tactics which you don’t, you would know it takes planning to carry out an attack like they did in Benghazi. It takes planning, Warped, NOT a VIDEO!

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 24, 2015 11:19 PM
Comment #399992

I never understood the whole controversy about whether a video inspired a terrorist attack, or a terrorist attack took place that had nothing to do with the video. Both were equally bad for the Obama administration. The previous night a very serious attack occurred at the Egyptian embassy that was inspired by the video. Then again, the attack on the Libyan consulate took place on 9/11, an obvious date for terrorists to choose for an attack. I don’t see why they were mutually exclusive; in fact, I don’t see how they could be.

Can someone explain why Hillary is such a liar? She has never been indicted, has she? There have been a lot of accusations in the past, but whenever it was time to provide evidence, there was no evidence. Of course, we all expect a higher moral standard from a candidate than ‘she never was indicted.’ Fair enough. Can anyone provide any concrete examples?

Blaine and RF seemed to miss the point about Trump speaking at a 4th grade level & Carson at a 6th grade one, and I think there is an important issue there. Is it a good thing for candidates to appeal to voters using a 4th grade vocabulary and sentence structure, and relying primarily upon emotional appeals rather than issues? Is that a good thing? Is appealing to the lowest common denominator good for the country?

Posted by: phx8 at October 24, 2015 11:27 PM
Comment #399993
The Video had NOTHING to do with the attack.

Just because you keep repeating that lie, doesn’t make it true. Trey Gowdy has spent untold millions of taxpayer dollars and he has yet to find a shred of evidence indicating that the attack in Benghazi wasn’t related to the trailer. In fact the opposite has proven true
:

as the attack in Benghazi was unfolding a few hours later, Mr. Abu Khattala told fellow Islamist fighters and others that the assault was retaliation for the same insulting video, according to people who heard him.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 24, 2015 11:38 PM
Comment #399994

phx8, “Why Hillary is such a liar”? Are you living under a Rock, phx8? Or is it you just don’t want to believe Hillary would stoop to lying? As I said phx, an attack of that magnitude was not spontaneous it was planned well in advance of any video and you being a vet should know that. As far as speaking with a 4th grade vocabulary as maybe Trump and Carson are doing, I would say that both sides of the voting block are not all highly educated and may not understand all the high priced language.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 24, 2015 11:48 PM
Comment #399995

Warren, Let me put this to you so even you could understand, An attack like Benghazi takes Planning months and months of planning. Way before any Video. There was no way in hell or Video that attack was spontaneous. It was well planned, Have you ever heard of diversionary tactics? That was the attack in Egypt a Diversion. Answer the question Why the Red Cross left and the Brits then you will see it was not about a video. Gowdy has spent almost $5 million, that’s chicken feed compared to the billions spent on dumbs**t liberal stuff.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 25, 2015 12:00 AM
Comment #399996

KAP,
Assume I live under a rock. Name a concrete example where HRC lied, or was proven to have done something illegal, or was caught doing something immoral.

The attack on the Benghazi consulate was conducted by a militia. There must have been some planning, but nothing all that sophisticated. A group of 125 to 150 attackers hit the consulate from several directions at the same time, using the weaponry typical of Libyan militias- assault rifles, RPG’s, and larger weaponry mounted on pick-up trucks. They had done enough planning to bring along diesel fuel to burn the compound. The timing of the attack may have been spurred by the combination of the date 9/11 and the incendiary video. As already pointed out, the leader of the attack cited the video as a cause- an explanation for why a planned attack occurred at that time, rather than another.

The Benghazi Committee was the 8th one to investigate the causes. This most recent one found nothing new. There was some security at the consulate, but obviously there should have been more. That has been known for a long time. Hindsight is perfect.

So none of the seven previous investigations accused HRC of lying. The most recent one has not written its final findings, of course, but according to the chairman they have found nothing new.

Posted by: phx8 at October 25, 2015 12:09 AM
Comment #399997

Over 400 classified E-Mails found on a server that she said that she never received or sent classified material on. phx8. IMO that is a concrete example, but I know you will come up with a defense for your sweety Hillary. As far as Benghazi goes you believe your version, I’ll believe mine. Still 2 parties had the common sense to get out of there because they knew it was getting to dangerous to stick around yet our leaders did not recognize the danger or did not want to. Obama’s Al Quehad is on the run but just weeks before an election we find out they are not on the run but just as strong as ever so to get the attention away from the terrorist aspect they decide to blame it all on a video and they arrested the producer. But we still have 4 dead Americans and the families that want answers as to why they died and not just some BULLS**T about a video.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at October 25, 2015 12:27 AM
Comment #399998

HRC’s actual claim was she never sent or received emails containing material that was marked classified at the time. Thus far, we have zero evidence to dispute that.

As far as Benghazi goes you believe your version, I’ll believe mine.

It’s fine for you if your gut tells you to disregard the evidence at hand, but public officials have different responsibilities. Don’t accuse others of lying just because they choose to report the verified evidence rather than the whims of suspicion and conjecture. In fact, it appears to be exactly the case as HRC told Chelsea on 9/12/12 that she suspected it was an attack contrary to the talking points assembled by the CIA later that week.

they arrested the producer.
Mark Bassley Youssef violated the terms of his probation. Are you suggesting Obama should have advised the DOJ to ignore that rather than prosecute him?
But we still have 4 dead Americans and the families that want answers as to why they died and not just some BULLS**T about a video.
You may not believe it, but to this day all available evidence supports the conclusion that absent the video, those 4 Americans could still be alive today. It’s plausible that there had been plans for an attack at a later date and the video sparked an impromptu execution of that plan at an earlier date. Or perhaps Benghazi was simply a war-torn place with RPGs and other sophisticated weaponry all over the place and ready to be used at a moment’s notice. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 25, 2015 10:58 AM
Comment #399999

The DOJ reported to the judge overseeing the investigation of the e-mails, and they reported they found nothing illegal and nothing that violated policy. It was within policy guidelines for HRC to keep a private server, just as her predecessor did. In addition, no classified e-mails were on it. After review, some e-mails were retroactively classified.

KAP, are you suggesting HRC should have known which ones were going to become classified four years in the future?

No one can cite an instance where HRC did something illegal, or lied, or even did something immoral. I see accusations. I see lots of ugly insinuations. I do not see indisputable proof. I do not see any borderline proof either.

Posted by: phx8 at October 25, 2015 11:10 AM
Comment #400000

Kap,

“But we still have 4 dead Americans and the families that want answers as to why they died and not just some BULLS**T about a video.”

In 1983 during the Reagan administration, nearly 300 American and French troops died as a result of two truck bombs in Beirut, Lebanon.
Amazingly enough there was no partisan witch hunt after those attacks.
There was no partisan witch hunt after Sept. 11th.
There was no partisan witch hunt the when, also during the George W. Bush years, there were 13 attacks on various embassies and consulates around the world, and sixty people died.
Shall we assume we have all the answers to these occurrences?

How is this one different? Oh, yeah, I forgot, this is Hillary freaking Clinton.

Your hypocrisy here is breathtaking.

Clinton claimed responsibility already, get over it, and give it a rest.

Rocky

Posted by: Rocky Marks at October 25, 2015 11:40 AM
Comment #400001

At this point, the only problem I see with the whole affair was the initial decision to utilize the private server in the first place. HRC has already admitted that this was a mistake, but she is no neophyte. She should have known better.

Also, she currently claims that the decision to utilize the server was a matter of convenience. If true, this is a damning lack of judgement and basic competence. If false, it demonstrates her competence, but exposes her as a liar.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 25, 2015 11:44 AM
Comment #400002

She is a uniquely vile combination of arrogance, dullness and mediocrity, but the public won’t care because the GOP has done everything it can do to demonstrate the exact opposite. Ironic indeed.
Posted by: Warren Porter at October 24, 2015 8:45 PM

Warren, I agree with your assessment of Hillary but would add “mendacity” to your list.

“The public”…please identify who won’t care.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 25, 2015 1:18 PM
Comment #400003

phx8 writes; ” Is it a good thing for candidates to appeal to voters using a 4th grade vocabulary and sentence structure, and relying primarily upon emotional appeals rather than issues?”

More spin but not more analysis.

You conflate speaking effectiveness with an emotional appeal. I will give phx8 credit for knowing more about politicians using emotional appeal as that is the mainstay of his party.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 25, 2015 1:31 PM
Comment #400004

WP,
Hillary admits it was a mistake to use a personal server, but I question just how technologically savvy she is in the first place. Most people don’t even know what a server looks like. Maybe it should have occurred to her that keeping business and personal e-mails on the same machine put her privacy in jeopardy. Obviously, it did not.

RF,
Do you know where Trump stands on issues? I don’t. I know he is vaguely in favor of some things and opposed to others, but as for any specific policies, I really couldn’t tell you. It is even more confusing because some of the things he favors today, he used to oppose, and vice versa. I know he says he is a conservative, but I’m not sure I even believe that. I think he could just as easily become a liberal president. If his polls dropped, it would not surprise me if he suddenly quit, and we all came to the realization that it had all just been a self-aggrandizing publicity stunt.

Would he really deport 11 million illegal immigrants and force Mexico to build a wall and pay for it? I don’t believe that for a second. The expense alone makes it virtually impossible.

I know he is a Birther. I know he has said terrible things about illegal immigrants, John McCain and POW’s, women in general, and Megyn Kelly in particular, and that is the short list. Apparently his supporters are fine with that.

Posted by: phx8 at October 25, 2015 1:51 PM
Comment #400005

HRC lies:

1. Chelsea Clinton was jogging around the World Trade Center on 9/11.

2. She landed under sniper fire in Bosnia

3. She was named after Sir Edmund Hillary

4. Her family was dead broke when they left the White House.

5. She claims to have been instrumental in the Northern Ireland peace process.

6. Memorandum regarding firing of the WH travel office and Rose Law firm documents resulted in Hillary being the only First Lady in American history to be fingerprinted by the FBI.

7. Hillary to CNN reporter Brianna Keilar…” I’ve never had a subpoena.” Clinton was in fact issued a subpoena for her emails during her time at the State Department on March 4, 2015.

8. HRC “Now I didn’t have to turn over anything. I chose to turn over 55,000 pages because I wanted to go above and beyond what was expected of me… According to 2009 National Archive requirements and federal records laws, Clinton was required to turn over all State Department related emails before her departure in February 2013.

9. HRC “I had one device.” She had multiple devices. She’s admitted as much in pre-campaign interviews and there are photos showing her using more than one device.

10. A public records request obtained by Judicial Watch has caught Hillary Clinton in yet another lie. After denying she was involved in authorizing her State Department advisor Huma Abedin to double dip with private contracts while she was a federal employee, it was shown that Hillary signed off on the arrangement.

For some great laughs at Hillary’s lying expense, watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbnKGopT0Uc

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 25, 2015 2:26 PM
Comment #400006

Personally, I am happy Trump is still contending for the GOP nomination. Despite the lowbrow emotional appeals of his stump speeches, I still think he is an intelligent man. In particular, the guy is a media mastermind and he knows how to push his opponents buttons to get what he wants. And, he is clearly not much of a conservative. He isn’t going to push for ridiculous regulations on abortion. He isn’t going to cut discretionary spending. He isn’t going to nominate a conservative to the Supreme Court. Overall, he isn’t going to damage liberal interests too much.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 25, 2015 2:31 PM
Comment #400007

Over the years some of the most rabid among the Lefties have claimed extreme “Black racism” against Republicans in general and Conservatives in particular.

Isn’t it odd then, that Dr. Ben Carson has risen like a meteor in Republican candidate polling?

Some liberals, by their negative comments, seem to abhor Dr. Carson. Are they being racists?

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 25, 2015 3:25 PM
Comment #400008

Uh, we already went through this when Herman Cain had his 15 minutes of fame 4 years ago. Conservatives gladly embrace African-American candidates so long as the candidate assures conservatives that its OK not to be politically correct. It’s a nice process that allows conservatives to clear their otherwise guilty consciences.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 25, 2015 3:36 PM
Comment #400009

OH, Warren, what a disappointing answer. I really expected more from you.

However, I am pleased that you don’t seem to believe that Republicans or Conservatives are “black” racists.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 25, 2015 3:57 PM
Comment #400010

Oppps…forgot to add this Warren. That doesn’t explain the rabid hatred of Carson by many libs.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 25, 2015 3:58 PM
Comment #400011

And this. “… its OK not to be politically correct.”

Do we really need a candidate to give us permission Warren?

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 25, 2015 4:07 PM
Comment #400012

Sorry…one more observation regarding your comment.

Warren implies that to avoid having a “guilty conscience” one must be “politically correct”.

Great laugh Warren.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 25, 2015 4:19 PM
Comment #400013

Let’s look at some of the ‘lies’ posted by RF.

1. Chelsea went out for a job on 9/11, but before running, she went into a coffee shop. She was there when the aircraft hit the World Trade Centers, just 12 blocks away. Hillary said this in an interview on television. She NEVER said her daughter was jogging around the buildings. That fabrication came from Dick Morris. Dick Morris lied.

2. While the trip to Bosnia was dangerous, she was wrong about her account of being under sniper fire that she gave twelve years later, and admitted it.

3. According to Hillary Clinton, her mother told her she was named after the mountain climber. She was not, since he did not scale Everest until six years after she was born. Nevertheless, her unusual first name is spelled the same way, and it is perfectly understandable that she would believe that to be true.

4. Was Hillary dead broke when she left the White House? She and her husband had @ $500,000 in liabilities due to legal fees; however, they had more than that in equity in two houses.

5. Did Hillary bring peace to Northern Ireland? Politifact rated it half-true. She played a small role, but it would be fair to say she exaggerated.

6. Hillary was fingerprinted? This is an example of lying?

7. Hillary was subpoenaed, and technically, she was wrong about that. But it is important to remember she voluntarily complied in turning her e-mails over for investigation. The Benghazi Committee and Congressman Issa regularly issued subpoenas to people even after they had already agreed to appear or provide material. It was simply an attempt to embarrass.

Remember, on the basis of this kind of thing, Hillary is being called a liar, slime, and much worse. In most cases, the accusations turn out to be fabrications, or amount to little more than trivial exaggerations. The terrible name -calling directed at Hillary reflects more upon the people smearing her than anything else.

Posted by: phx8 at October 25, 2015 5:24 PM
Comment #400014
That doesn’t explain the rabid hatred of Carson by many libs.

Libs treat Carson no differently than they treat Cruz or Trump.

Do we really need a candidate to give us permission Warren?

That’s not for me to decide, but rather it is something between you and your own conscience.

I am pleased that you don’t seem to believe that Republicans or Conservatives are “black” racists.
Yes, you must be pleased that my insistence that you aren’t a racist assuages your conscience. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 25, 2015 8:00 PM
Comment #400016
j2, I have not been on WB for 3 years, so no braying here.

Blaine no one mentioned WB, and the braying I referred to was done by the repubs on the Benghazi witch hunt committee the past 3 years.

Sorry j2, but she lied to the panel and there were facts.

Blaine the committee was a waste of taxpayer money. It was a witch hunt that failed. The repubs admitted it was a political tool used to hurt Hillary’s poll numbers. What you and your fellow conservatives spout is nonsense. You have been discredited.

Regarding the 4 Americans killed; if the left was concerned about their deaths, the would want facts and not protection for HRC.

But this committee wasn’t about facts nor was it about the 4 Americans killed Blaine. The repubs have already told us the committee was a tool for political gain. You are the only one left in the world who stills believes the foolishness you pratle on about?

Regarding “insult intelligent young men”; we can tie this in with phx8’s comment.

No we can’t Blaine. Your foolish comment has nothing to do with phx8’s comment. Your credibility is damaged as you do not have enough class to admit your words were meant to insult because you could not rebut intelligently.

By the way j2; are you the adult coming to the aid of the little boy?

No Blaine I just think your comments are hateful and wrong. Warrens message stands on its own. You have been unable to refute it so you have resorted to ignorance. You have damaged your integrity and credibility by doing so. Not to mention the lather you have worked your fellow conservatives into with this nonsense.

I call him a little boy because his comments lack understanding of life’s realities and they are adolescent. But yours and ph’s comments are worse than that. They lack coherence.

Yet you cannot refute the comments, all you can do is continue on with the lies Blaine. You insult yourself with this foolish gibberish.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 25, 2015 10:05 PM
Comment #400017

Another day, another bizarre statement from Ben Carson. Today, he compared abortion to slavery. His statement was weird and I’m not sure it made sense, but if anyone wants to search for it, there are plenty of articles available. This is pretty typical daily fare for Carson. He routinely makes offensive comparisons to slavery. The comparisons minimize the evil and trivialize the institution of slavery, yet he makes them anyway. One would think being black would make him more sensitive to making such awful comparisons, yet Carson continues to insult blacks and whites alike with his weird statements. The guy just doesn’t have any self or situational awareness. Carson does the same by using Nazi metaphors repeatedly. It is extremely offensive, and when it is pointed out to him, he complains such criticisms are merely examples of political correctness.

People are free to make offensive statements and comparisons, of course, comparing slavery and the Third Reich with Obama, health care reform, and so on. But what on earth would make anyone think such a person would be a good president?

Posted by: phx8 at October 25, 2015 11:55 PM
Comment #400019

Yeah, he said this too. Ladies and gentlemen- Ben Carson!

“As a teenager, I would go after people with rocks, and bricks, and baseball bats, and hammers. And, of course, many people know the story when I was 14 and I tried to stab someone.”

I didn’t make that up. Carson wrote about it in a book:

“I had real anger issues. I would just fly off the handle and really become quite irrational and try to hurt people with baseball bats, hammers, whatever. In this particular case, I happened to have a large camping knife. And, you know, one of my friends angered me. And I just lunged at his abdomen with the knife. Probably would have seriously injured or killed him, but he happened to have on a large metal belt buckle under his clothing, upon which the blade broke.”

Posted by: phx8 at October 26, 2015 12:41 PM
Comment #400021

Phx8, would you prefer Carson lie, er I mean “exaggerate,” about his experiences?

Oh, and after a decade plus of the left routinely making offensive comparisons to racism, sexism and bigotry with all who disagree with them, you guys don’t have a leg to stand on here.

Posted by: kctim at October 26, 2015 1:34 PM
Comment #400022

kctim,
I dunno… Guess I just like my presidential candidates… uh… less stabby.

Posted by: phx8 at October 26, 2015 2:30 PM
Comment #400023
Oh, and after a decade plus of the left routinely making offensive comparisons to racism, sexism and bigotry with all who disagree with them, you guys don’t have a leg to stand on here.

Wow Kctim such a sweet euphemism but you kinda make it sound as those on the right weren’t deserving of such criticism by and large. I would suggest you look back at the racist comments and actions, the sexist comments and actions and the bigoted comments and actions made by conservative movement leaders the past decade to put this false accusation into focus.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 26, 2015 2:31 PM
Comment #400024

Phx8,
Less stabby for you, more truthful for me. Guess that’s why we vote the way we do.

J2,
What good would that do when you view every disagreement with liberalism as some kind of ‘ist, ism or phobia?’
People are racist for choosing freedom of choice over the ACA.
People are sexist for believing women should pay for their own birth control.
People suffer from homophobia if they support normal marriage.

Sorry, but I’m not going to waste my time looking back at so-called racist, sexist, bigoted comments and actions the left created to score political points with. I’ll stick with reality.

Posted by: kctim at October 26, 2015 3:39 PM
Comment #400025

Yes, you must be pleased that my insistence that you aren’t a racist assuages your conscience. Posted by: Warren Porter at October 25, 2015 8:00 PM

Nope, wrong Warren. It suggests that your mind still works.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 26, 2015 4:26 PM
Comment #400026

Truthful? Why would anyone go around talking about carrying bricks and hammers to hurt people while they were a teenager? I don’t think political candidates should be unduly blamed for their actions as teenagers, but… Stabbing? Attempted murder?

Posted by: phx8 at October 26, 2015 5:00 PM
Comment #400027

Why would anyone go around talking about landing under sniper fire? Why would anyone say they only have one phone, when they have two? Why would anyone say there is no classified info on her server, when she knows there was?

I too don’t think political candidates should be unduly blamed for their actions, embellishments and lies as teenagers, but… I do think they should be held responsible for such things as adults.

And let’s be real here, Phx8. If Obama or Clinton were talking about fighting when younger, you would be falling all over yourself claiming how great they were for overcoming such adversity.

Posted by: kctim at October 26, 2015 5:14 PM
Comment #400028

“No one can cite an instance where HRC did something illegal, or lied, or even did something immoral.
Posted by: phx8 at October 25, 2015 11:10 AM

Is that loud sound we hear be phx8 eating his words?

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 26, 2015 5:23 PM
Comment #400029

Regarding Hillary doing anything immoral…it all depends upon ones definition of the word.

Many find the way she treats people with whom she disagrees, her public thrashing of women abused by husband Bill, her arbitrary firing of WH travel personnel to favor friends, her hiding of documents, and much more to be very immoral showing her low character.

I believe it is immoral to testify under oath with the words “I don’t remember” being used repeatedly.

I believe it is immoral to shift blame for her actions to others.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 26, 2015 5:34 PM
Comment #400030

Ted Cruz:

““One more liberal Supreme Court justice and our right to keep and bear arms is taken away from us by an activist court. One more liberal justice and they begin sandblasting and bulldozing veterans memorials throughout this country. One more liberal justice and we lose our sovereignty to the United Nations and the World Court.”

I agree completely. Our liberal and socialist friends certainly know the importance of the next election. Hillary or Bernie in the WH nominating more SC judges, and a senate that concurs, can spell the end of the Democratic Republic we know and treasure.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 26, 2015 6:27 PM
Comment #400031

Illegal Alien Crime Wave in Texas: 611,234 Crimes, 2,993 Murders

“According to the analysis conducted by the Texas Department of Public Safety, foreign aliens committed 611,234 unique crimes in Texas from 2008 to 2014, including thousands of homicides and sexual assaults.”

Absolutely horrendous. An outrage. A dereliction of duty by our chief executive…Oobama.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 26, 2015 6:55 PM
Comment #400032

Sorry, forgot the link.

http://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2015/07/22/alien-crime-wave-in-texas-611234-crimes-2993-murders/

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 26, 2015 6:56 PM
Comment #400033

RF,
Pay attention! The article you link provides numbers without comparing them to the rates of the background population. Wonder why? As a group, illegal aliens actually commit fewer crimes.

“… numerous studies going back more than a century have shown that immigrants—regardless of nationality or legal status—are less likely than the native population to commit violent crimes…”

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythical-connection-between-immigrants-and-crime-1436916798

Posted by: phx8 at October 26, 2015 8:35 PM
Comment #400034

RF,

Cruz is right. Another liberal on the Court would do much to advance the cause of liberty in this nation. It is great that Trump is already on board with that.

It is abundantly clear that Trump never abandoned the pro-choice stance he adopted 20 years ago. This is why he defended Planned Parenthood when they were slandered by those falsely contextualized videos. He is playing conservatives like a fiddle just as he does the media. Even if he doesn’t nominate his sister for the Supreme Court on account of her age, it is abundantly clear that he would likely nominate someone else with a similar ideology instead.

Posted by: Warren Porter at October 26, 2015 9:30 PM
Comment #400038
I believe it is immoral to testify under oath with the words “I don’t remember” being used repeatedly.

I believe it is immoral to shift blame for her actions to others.

So Royal is it just now becoming an immoral act or did you get as angry at Reagan when he did the same thing 88 times in 8 hours?

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1990-02-23/news/9001160156_1_iran-contra-testimony-recall

Posted by: j2t2 at October 27, 2015 12:52 AM
Comment #400041

If the ‘cause of liberty’ is now defined as massive government with total control over the people, excessive taxation, and the taking of individual rights, then yes, another activist liberal on the SC is exactly what this nation needs.

Posted by: kctim at October 27, 2015 10:32 AM
Comment #400044

phx8 writes; “As a group, illegal aliens actually commit fewer crimes.”

First, your link to the WSJ is worthless to me as I don’t subscribe so I can’t read the article. The headline is meaningless without the story.

Second, In addition, don’t we have enough home-grown criminals without inviting illegals here to commit crime?

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 27, 2015 12:33 PM
Comment #400045

j2t2, in my opinion anyone who lies under oath is doing an immoral act.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 27, 2015 12:40 PM
Comment #400047

Sorry about the link, RF. That is really odd. I don’t subscribe either. When I searched the story it let me read it, but when I posted the link on WB, it requires a subscription. I’d say I learned something today, but all I learned is there is yet one more thing I can add to the impressive list of what I don’t know.

Posted by: phx8 at October 27, 2015 12:49 PM
Comment #400048

…all I learned is there is yet one more thing I can add to the impressive list of what I don’t know.
Posted by: phx8 at October 27, 2015 12:49 PM

LOL…I can admit to that as well.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 27, 2015 12:53 PM
Comment #400054

Many thanks Warren for providing a link to the WSJ story. We are all aware of how facts and statistics are regularly manipulated to favor one side or another on issues.

Perhaps Warren and phx8 will find this interesting.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/07/illegal_aliens_murder_at_a_much_higher_rate_than_us_citizens_do.html

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 27, 2015 2:29 PM
Comment #400056

“Don’t trust me? How about the Center for Immigration Studies, which opposes any kind of plan to grant legal status to undocumented immigrants and regularly testifies in Congress against them.

“There’s no evidence that immigrants are either more or less likely to commit crimes than anyone else in the population,” Janice Kephart, a CIS researcher, said last week on the PBS NewsHour.” http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/07/16/voices-gomez-undocumented-immigrant-crime-san-francisco-shooting/30159479/

Posted by: Rich at October 27, 2015 7:53 PM
Comment #400057
j2t2, in my opinion anyone who lies under oath is doing an immoral act.

So Reagan is immoral and a liar because he used the words “I don’t recall” so often he must have lied? So Royal why is it you have such great respect for such an immoral liar as Reagan then? I have seen some of your comments over the years that indicated you hold Reagan in high regard, one of the best presidents ever as I recall, yet your opinion is he is an immoral liar.

Posted by: j2t2 at October 28, 2015 12:53 AM
Comment #400064

Yes, I do believe that Reagan was a great president and good for the nation. If he lied under oath…that act was immoral as it is with anyone who does it.

Posted by: Royal Flush at October 28, 2015 2:34 PM
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