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A Problem of Identification

At a recent Staff Development event, we had a speaker from the Federal Reserve over to talk about the Demographics of the city we serve. What he had to say was pretty astounding, even to someone like me. This report contains much of the surprising information about Houston and it’s Metropolitan area, and it should suprise you, too.

The speaker's presentation, which went beyond the information in there, said that the current reality of Houston, with it's incredibly diverse population, reflects the future of our country. He backed what he said by showing us the percentage of Americans in terms of white American's share of each age group.

The broad conclusion of what he said is that even if you froze immigration today, you'd likely end up with white people as a minority population by 2050.

Honestly? I think those who project this as a bad outcome are likely to make their prophecy a self-fulfilling one. The simple truth is, people have gotten anxious about immigration since the beginning of the Republic. They got anxious about the Irish. They got anxious about Catholic Immigration. They got anxious about immigration from East Asia, from Africa, from any number of places. Now we get anxious about Hispanic Immigrants.

If you say we have a broken system at this point, I'd agree with you. The broken part of it is that it's made illegal immigration a lucrative black market, and legal immigration a pricey luxury item. The speaker identified the 1965 immigration act as a critical component of the change. Without the fairly racist controls on which countries people could immigrate from, America is beginning to reflect the world's Demographic reality, rather than just Northern Europe's.

If you're worried that America isn't going to stay WASP-y, I've got bad news for you: you've already lost that battle. America will be a nation of many colors, cultures, and origins. One can indulge pessimism because of this, or you can accept it.

Acceptance is the better option. America will become a world within the world. We can raise up walls, hoping to fend off the perceived invaders, or we can welcome people, give them a stake in our society, allow the dreams most of them hold, that America is a nation where hard work can gain you respect and prosperity, no matter who you are.

If you look at me in photos, you'll find me to be as pale white, as northern European as they come. I've got two grandparents of german descent, one of English extraction, and one of Irish. Go beyond that, and I'm a born and bread member of the Anglo-European club. Does the coming Demographic shift threaten me? No.

I'm not dependent on the color of my skin for my identity. I am curious about my roots, but being of German, Irish, or English descent is not terribly critical to my identity. I identify as an American, first and foremost.

The fear on the Right Wing about invasions from the South, about the supplanting of Christianity as the primary religion of the country, about the diminishing fortunes of Whites in this country seem to me to be an all too unfortunate result of their insistence that the systems of the old days remain in place, that they not lose fortune or power in the coure of these changes.

They've cursed themselves in a way. By encouraging anti-intellectualism and distrust of science, by indulging an old-fashioned distrust of education and STEM fields, the Republicans have created a sentiment found among no other race: the notion that one can just coast off a high school diploma, that further education is not necessary. Blacks don't believe this. Hispanics don't believe this. Asians don't believe this. We also did a good job of effectively exporting our good paying industrial jobs, which makes the attitude towards relying on a lifetime of unskilled labor all the more unfortunate. Then we decided to let the Wealthiest capture more wealth, instead of spreading it. These are what created many of the drags, economic and otherwise, on White America's fertility.

Let's face it: we got complacent. We thought the advantages of majority, the privileges of being the dominant race, would last forever. Conservatives thought the economics of the 1950s would come back if we simply reversed all the Democratic policies. Instead, the economics of the 1930s returned.

If you're hung up on the way the world used to be, insistent that the standard American culture as you know it must reign supreme, you will be bitterly disappointed as the decades wear on.

If you don't want to be, simply admit this: The faces of America will change. We will find more customs from other lands becoming part of our culture. We will find religions from other places, and hybrid spiritualities brought on by new mixtures of those, beginning to rise in their numbers. We will have to face the fact that we will have less and less control of the system we once dominated.

But here's the upshot: the more this becomes the truth, the more being an American becomes less about what race or what religion you were born into, and more about what kind of person you choose to be. I was under no obligation to be a Christian, yet I sought it out anyways. I value the freedom that afforded me that path!

Not everybody in my political party would respect that path, but guess what? The beauty of my country and my party is that I don't have to give a crap. I'm not accountable for their atheism, or they for my Christianity. We made our choices. Honestly, I think God likes it better when people express what's in their hearts: If they believe they believe, if they don't they shouldn't be made to say so just to please and obey some sanctimonious twits. There's a difference between faith and conformity, and God knows it, even if you don't. If God is out to punish this country for it's not being entirely Christian enough, do you think he'll take forced lip service as a reason to stay his hand?

Americans define their country in much more robust terms than other countries. We're not defined by whether we speak English or not. The Colonists had significant German-speaking enclaves in their nation. We're not defined by a church. Thomas Jefferson himself refused to believe in miracles, and Benjamin Franklin believed in a God who simply set the clockwork of the universe, and let it go. Maryland was full of Catholics, Massachussetts full of Quakers and Congregationalists. The Fundamentalism of our time, the literalism wasn't yet a thing. Heck, the Evangelical movement wasn't really in full swing, for that matter.

We're not defined by some unique ethnicity, either. It's not for nothing that we speak of Native Americans as a distinct race, different from white majority. Even before things changed, we had immigrants from all over Europe, all from countries defined by their own language or sense of unity. German-Americans weren't in the land defined by their ethnicity, nor French-Americans, nor Italians, nor Hispanics. We are in a land defined by it's obliteration of former tribal allegiances.

You don't need to be born to a certain people to be born American. You don't need to speak English, and that language, in fact, isn't unique to our country. It's the language of another nation with a better claim on its origins. There may one day be an American language, descended mostly from English, which we can claim, the Way the Netherlands claims the Germanic Language of Dutch, but for now, all our words are borrowed from other nations.

When we pledge allegiance, we don't pledge allegiance to a King, or any other official, elected or unelected. We pledge allegiance to a Republic. The officials of that Republic swear their allegiance to a Constitution, and that Constitution? It's nothing more than an agreement between states and their citizens, a compact which nonetheless defines what it means to be an American.

One of the explicit things our Constitution says, even before the Bill of Rights, is that officials will not be required to submit to a religious test to serve in office. There is no religion written into the Constitution as the preferred one, no race privileged above others, especially with the14th Amendment and others constraints on it.

What we share, what we can share, regardless of background, is a system built on values of citizenship rather than some tribal impulse.

We all start from that common ground, and it is the common legacy of our forebears to those who were born here, and those who weren't. Change our skin, change our words, change our faiths, and it will apply equally well. Rather than mourn what's passing, accept and embrace what is, and what is to come. America won't be destroyed by the changes occurring, it will simply be reborn again, something new once again, as it's been reborn so many times.

Let's celebrate this country's continual rebirth, the continual second chances it offers all of us, the freedom it allows us to follow our own conscience. We need to value our own freedom and liberty more than we value our power over others, our control of American culture. Ultimately these things aren't under our control anways. It's time to admit that the power we should value most is the power we're given over ourselves.

Posted by Stephen Daugherty at May 4, 2015 2:12 PM
Comment #394186


Your assertion that our tribal instincts are, perhaps, a thing of the past seems odd to me as I look around at my fellow Americans. No matter how willing we may seem to welcome new members, our families, our friends, hell our religious congregations all identify us as tribes.
For that matter even our political parties, with their multiple factions, are tribes within tribes.

You cannot disregard human nature.

Look around you. Yes, even in Houston, there are separate enclaves of tribes, defined by not just different nationalities, but different social structures, even within those nationalities.
This country is built of tribes. Our Religious sects (tribes) cannot even agree entirely on the dogma they will follow.

Seems to me that the only thing we can all agree on is that we can all rarely agree on anything.

The idealistic thought this mess will someday come together as a whole, is all very lovely, but perhaps a bit naïve.


Posted by: Rocky Marks at May 5, 2015 9:57 AM
Comment #394194

Our “melting pot” diluting to such a point is indeed very naïve. Perhaps that is why the left tries so hard to make this about being white, rather than about being American.

Posted by: kctim at May 5, 2015 10:58 AM
Comment #394235

Politicizing citizenship is simply wrong.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 5, 2015 2:53 PM
Comment #394266

The libs tell us that the US is a racist and hating country. We cater to the rich and despise the poor. There is no equal opportunity for anyone but white folks. Obama believes that we can never overcome our slavery tainted past.

If this is true, why then are so many risking their lives to get here illegally?

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 5, 2015 6:18 PM
Comment #394285
The libs tell us…

Maybe this isn’t what “The libs tell us”.

Posted by: Warren Porter at May 5, 2015 8:13 PM
Comment #394308


The problem isn’t with the country. The problem is with some of the people that live here.


Posted by: Rocky Marks at May 5, 2015 10:59 PM
Comment #394388


“The fear on the Right Wing…..”

Maybe the “Right Wing” is an over-generalized straw man.

Posted by: Mike in Tampa at May 6, 2015 7:53 AM
Comment #394394

So, Mike, are we going to play this “my straw man can beat up your straw man game” again?


Posted by: Rocky Marks at May 6, 2015 8:24 AM
Comment #394409


Perhaps liberal is an overworked straw man. I mean the word has been an epithet, a punchline, and an insult for decades.

And now the right can’t stop whining about a little push back.

Pot, meet kettle.


Posted by: Rocky Marks at May 6, 2015 9:43 AM
Comment #394440

Maybe this isn’t what “The libs tell us”.
Posted by: Warren Porter at May 5, 2015 8:13 PM

Warren, do you really need names and quotes?

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 6, 2015 12:46 PM
Comment #394553
Perhaps that is why the left tries so hard to make this about being white, rather than about being American.

Kctim,I would suggest the reason the “left” makes this about being white has more to do with the “left” being in part other than white and reacting to what those on the right says and does.

The libs tell us that the US is a racist and hating country.

Royal, perhaps you misunderstand. The problem isn’t the whole country, although at times it may seem that way, the problem is the conservative part of the country that allows the extremist views to become mainstream with the constant barrage of myth misinformation half truths and outright lies.

Maybe the “Right Wing” is an over-generalized straw man.

I would suggest the ‘right wing” encompasses many people. A significant portion of these people harbor ill will towards people of color as well as people with differing religious beliefs.

Posted by: j2t2 at May 7, 2015 12:22 AM
Comment #394629

No J2, it’s quite obvious that you guys take the actual extreme views on the far-right and apply them to the whole for your own political gain. Guilt by association works very well and the left with its lack of integrity has capitalized on it.

With threats of losing government ‘freebies,’ you guys have convinced lazy materialistic Americans that simple disagreement somehow equals racism.

The funniest part of this whole thing is that liberal voters and the policies they support are more racist than all but the most extreme right wing groups.

Posted by: kctim at May 7, 2015 9:14 AM
Comment #394639


“No J2, it’s quite obvious that you guys take the actual extreme views on the far-right left and apply them to the whole for your own political gain. Guilt by association works very well and the left right with its lack of integrity has capitalized on it.

It’s funny how things work out.


Posted by: Rocky Marks at May 7, 2015 10:14 AM
Comment #394646

Rocky, true some on the right are also guilty. But with posts like this one from Stephen, the constant demonizing of our nations principles and history, and the labeling of all simple disagreement as hatred and racism, the cries of ‘socialist’ just don’t seem all that bad. Especially when we are already over half way there.

Posted by: kctim at May 7, 2015 10:48 AM
Comment #394647

“A significant portion of these people (right wing) harbor ill will towards people of color”

I was curious - according to survey printed in Slate, it seems the left and right are about equal in racism.

“Republicans are far more likely than Democrats to express outright racial prejudice, 79 percent to 32 percent. But the implicit test found that the two are far closer in attitudes, with 55 percent of Democrats and 64 percent of Republicans having anti-black feelings. Experts aren’t really surprised by the findings. “As much as we’d hope the impact of race would decline over time … it appears the impact of anti-black sentiment on voting is about the same as it was four years ago,” said a Stanford University professor who helped develop the survey.”

Posted by: Mike in Tampa at May 7, 2015 10:55 AM
Comment #394653

Mike in Tampa, I don’t doubt it. I think we all are, some more than others, all races seem to have prejudices IMHO. The problem is governing based upon racism. Intentionally writing laws, voting laws as an example, that cause specific races more harm.

No J2, it’s quite obvious that you guys take the actual extreme views on the far-right and apply them to the whole for your own political gain.

KCtim, are you suggesting all those repub candidates, Representatives and Senators who have made racist comments or actions are extremist?

I also wonder why those more “moderate” conservatives allow the far right extremist so much leeway when it comes to their comments and actions.

Posted by: j2t2 at May 7, 2015 11:18 AM
Comment #394669

j2t2 wrote; “Royal, perhaps you misunderstand. The problem isn’t the whole country, although at times it may seem that way, the problem is the conservative part of the country…”

My friend, you are naive in your thinking. Think about the recent police shooting incidents and you will recognize liberal racism at its zenith.

A desire to protect our borders from those who enter illegally is certainly not wrong in any sensible world.

Not wishing to squander our limited financial resources on non-citizens is perfectly correct and totally defensible.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 7, 2015 12:45 PM
Comment #394671

Ms. obama used a speech during the opening of a museum to fan the flames of racial hatred and divisiveness.

“Museums and concert halls,” she said, just don’t welcome non-white visitors – especially children – the way they welcome whites.”

Perhaps j2t2 could do the research and find out what exactly is the “different” treatment for whites versus non-whites.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 7, 2015 12:56 PM
Comment #394700


I’m not ‘suggesting’ anything, I am stating that the screams of hatred, racism and extremism from the left are nothing but partisan hyperbole.
If you support traditional marriage, you hate gays.
If you support freedom and reject the ACA, you are racist.
If you support immigration laws, you are a racist who hates all immigrants.
If you support waiting for the facts BEFORE judging guilt or innocence, you are racist.
If you support the 2nd Amendment, read the US Constitution, quote the founders, you are an extremist.

Basically, if you support the same principles, values and freedoms of our past, the left labels you a hateful, racist extremist.

“I also wonder why those more “moderate” conservatives allow the far right extremist so much leeway when it comes to their comments and actions.”

Simple: Because according to our nations actual history, they aren’t even close to being extremists.

NEWSFLASH J2: Not agreeing with and blindly supporting liberal policy does NOT make one hateful, racist, or extreme.

Posted by: kctim at May 7, 2015 4:14 PM
Comment #394705

Does the following sound familiar to anyone?

They tend to manipulate or abuse others verbally or physically, but then blame the other person (i.e. the real victim) for provoking the abuse.

They influence or control other people’s sympathy to gain compassion or support.

They tend to avoid taking responsibility for their life, instead blaming others for their mistreatment or unfortunate circumstances.

The Victim Personality

Posted by: Speak4all at May 7, 2015 5:17 PM
Comment #394709

It should sound familiar Speaks, I’ve been preaching how leftists us do it for over ten years here.

Posted by: kctim at May 7, 2015 5:25 PM
Comment #394710

Perhaps we all have a bit of “The Victim Personality”. I can admit that I might. Can you do the same kct?

Posted by: Speak4all at May 7, 2015 5:31 PM
Comment #394712

Anybody else?

Posted by: Speak4all at May 7, 2015 5:43 PM
Comment #394714

Based upon what I read Speak, I don’t fit the mold.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 7, 2015 5:56 PM
Comment #394725
Based upon what I read Speak, I don’t fit the mold.


Posted by: Warren Porter at May 7, 2015 7:11 PM
Comment #394726

Rocky Marks-
What I’d tell you is that our tribal impulses aren’t somehow gone, or not involved in day to day life, but that we have something else that we appeal to beyond that which allows us to maintain a peaceful society despite being such a chaotic jumble of religions, races, ethnicities, etc.

I’m not appealing to idealism here, but necessity. We do have the option of sinking down into our tribal units and trying to fight for small pieces of our Republic, but it’s not a terribly attractive option long term. We’re going to become multicultural not because of noble attributes of character, but rather because we have to in order to get things done. The real question isn’t whether this leads to something hopeful- there’s no guarantee of that- but rather whether we chose to go for that, chose to learn to get along.

It’s just that looking at our demographic future, I can’t really see the point in not learning to get along with each other, beyond language, beyond race, beyond even ideology. No one’s going to have that unquestioned, privileged perch in American politics that conservatives seem to covet. It’s going away. We can make that an easier process, or a more painful one. One way or another, it’s happening.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at May 7, 2015 7:15 PM
Comment #394728

“No one’s going to have that unquestioned, privileged perch in American politics…”

You are correct. And, everyone in politics should read, understand, and follow our Constitution. Without that, we are simply a bunch of anarchists doomed to the paper shredder of history.

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 7, 2015 7:21 PM
Comment #394750

Wow, so the conservatives here on WB would have us believe it is the fault of liberals that conservatives make racist remarks and do racist things. The conservatives have even managed to have a special group of words and deeds that they label “liberal racism”.

Absolutely amazing Kctim, Royal that you guys cannot accept responsibility for your teams own doings. Just like everything else with you guys it is always somebody else that is the problem.

No wonder Warren was “LMFAOing” earlier. I think Speaks had it right perhaps y’all should at least look at the link provided. Meanwhile I will be “ROTFLMAOUIPO” thinking about the conservative responses to comments on this thread.

Posted by: j2t2 at May 7, 2015 9:56 PM
Comment #394838

This is truly amazing. On a blog community that regularly sees comments of verbal abuses of one another, their ideologies and their ideologues there is no victim personality being displayed?

I would like to thank everyone for playing and I’ll let Monte tell them what our contestants have won.

Monte: Well Speak4all every one of our contestants has won a life long trip on that wonderful Egyptian river called “denial”.

Posted by: Speak4all at May 8, 2015 9:22 AM
Comment #394840

I will admit I bring up our founders, their fight for freedom and our resulting Constitution, to hopefully influence other people’s sympathy to gain support for the things they gave us.

I only attempt to have you believe the facts.

I did not say that actual racist remarks and actions were the fault of liberals, or that some on the right were not guilty of actual racism. What I said was that most of the crap the left labels as racism has nothing to do with actual racism.

There are no special words and deeds made to label liberal racism, we are using known facts.

“that you guys cannot accept responsibility for your teams own doings.”

Please. Other than the “lies, mistruth, misinformation etc…” conspiracies, that’s one of the weakest bail outs you have ever used on here.

“Just like everything else with you guys it is always somebody else that is the problem.”

Bush? Teahadists? Republicans? Evil Whitey? The police? Christians?

Of course you will be “ROTFLMAOUIPO” thinking about the conservative responses to comments on this thread, to actually address them would only prove wrong you are.

Posted by: kctim at May 8, 2015 9:27 AM
Comment #394844


We had that “something else that we appeal to beyond that which allows us to maintain a peaceful society despite being such a chaotic jumble of religions, races, ethnicities, etc.,” it was called being an American above all else. The small group you were a member of was a distant second and its importance came second to being an American.
Today, people are only in it for themselves and the small group they choose to identify with.

I know you hate this kind of thinking, but the key to learning to get along with each other, beyond language, beyond race, beyond even ideology, is to have a stronger connection to something that is shared by all of us.

Posted by: kctim at May 8, 2015 9:49 AM
Comment #394863

What strikes me, as I read so many of the comments from the right-wing contributors is what a sense of greivance they have. They play the victim card all the time.

Look, everytime a Conservative tells me they’re all about protecting the Constitution, my responses are as such: first, I recall all the instances where Conservatives have either outright broken its restriction, or where it seems they’ve been badly misinformed about it. Second, I roll my eyes a little bit, because, contrary to their bond-villain delusion, I’m not an opponent of the constitution, just a dissident to their particular vision of it, a vision that seems to equate the sanctity of their personal interpretation with that of the Constitution itself.

I don’t care how many times you insist upon it. I don’t buy into your particular interpretation, so I don’t see adhering to my own as opposition to the Constitution. In my opinion, they’ve abused their sense of supremacy on the document, all too often, in order to assert differences on matters of statutory legislation in a way that pre-empts all the debate inbetween about what’s best for the country.

And that country?

It’s always this corny, overwrought argument, every time, that liberals hate their country, their constitution, their race, their gender, so on and so forth. Again, dissent is made a pathology.

Look, our country can, in the aggregate, improve, or decay. My preference is overall improvement, and in fact it’s a goal of any progressive (as the name broadly hints) to seek overall improvement.

Which, in fact, has occurred over the past century. The America of 2015 is certainly much less racist, much less misogynistic, much less prejudiced in many ways than the America of 1915. We can’t say we’re not way better off economically, technologically, and socially speaking.

Are we as good as we possibly could be? Have the sins of the past been fully expiated? No. We still got work to do, and something else is necessary, too: we need to make sure we don’t backslide. Racism, sexism, and other prejudices are far from dead, and there’s always some way to tempt or pressure people back into the old ways of thinking. Tolerance and equality can be learned, but they can also be unlearned.

And you know what? People aren’t going to advertise two for one deals on white KKK hoods as a way to get people back into it. First, many racists only see their views as truthful and accurate views of people, despite the over-generalizations and the faults of their arguments. They don’t think of their prejudices as racism. They’ll talk about the dilution in the melting pot without asking what’s being diluted in what. Or, perhaps, they’ll declare the whole problem over, blatantly ignoring unequal outcomes and the consequences of inequality in the background in terms of how to remedy it. Sink or swim, no acknowledgement of the burdens that have selectively weighed down one group of people, and not another.

What makes it particularly appalling is the degree to which the people doing the discriminating, calling everybody else names and accusing everybody else of being bad guys act like any remedy to the plight of real victims makes them victims.

If you complain about how the police treat black men and women, you are labelled a racist. If you complain about sexual assault, or some incidence of sexism like Gamergate, you’re accused of being a misandrist, by people who call themselves the Men’s Rights movement. If you support Gay Marriage, you’re accuse of hating traditional marriage, even though nothing about the changes we seek in the system would actually prevent traditional marriages from proceeding!

We get accused of opposing religious freedom, because we support a compromise that would let the insurance companies foot the bill for birth control separately of religion-related organization’s premium payments. Apparently, their religious freedom is to determine the healthcare decisions for those who don’t believe in their sect, or even their God.

Funny how that works. You can have all the equality you want, just as long as these other people are free to discriminate against you, treat you more harshly, impose upon you for their own pleasure, value your life less than somebody of another race.

They talk about supporting the Constitution, but their idea of what that means doesn’t seem to extend to fully fulfilling the provisions of it in good faith.

The Right these days doesn’t want to give in or give up on anything, doesn’t want to compromise or cooperate with anybody else, but wants the rest of us to follow their lead on anything and everything.

But it’s Liberals who are divisive for not sitting quietly and enjoying this state of second-class citizenship. Well, screw that. I’m going to take full advantage of my rights as an American, and I’m going to encourage everybody else to do the same.

You claim to have a stronger connection to what’s supposed to unite us all, but you have absolutely no problem promoting a person just starkly refusing to cooperate or compromise on anything. Look, a person’s free to do that in this country, but if they’re expecting that somehow everybody else is going to be obligated to give them what they want, they’re kidding themselves.

Yes, we don’t discourage people holding onto what they had before. But then, if you looked at history, you’d realize that folks have long held onto the old country. It’s primarily the children and grandchildren who assimilate, in no small part because they know the language better, and grow up participating in this society.

For the longest time, we built our immigration policy around the notion of racial superiority, primarily encouraging immigration from Northern Europe. We changed that, creating a system that brought greater equality to the quotas on citizenship. That’s part of why this country is changing, demographically, being diluted in your phrasing.

You know what? This has happened before. America changed from what it once was… and became more like the nation we recognize today!

I’m confident enough in my nation that I don’t feel I have to prevent it from getting taken over by dirty foreigners. I think it’ll resist that just fine, so long as we allow people to integrate on their own, at their own speed, of their free will, and become stakeholders in our society. When people can pursue the opportunities we so belove this country for, when they can seek prosperity through hard work, they will come to love their home. If they are disillusioned by a harsh reality created by a fearful, angry, defensive population… things might turn out differently. I feel the more sincerely we apply the talk of America being a racially, sexually, and religiously tolerant country, the more we apply those principles we profess in good faith, the less we have to worry about with those who arrive here on our shores, and within our borders.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at May 8, 2015 11:31 AM
Comment #394905

Cameron’s Conservatives win big in surprise UK election

A precursor to the US 2016 election?

“The Conservative Party swept to power Friday in Britain’s parliamentary elections, winning an unexpected majority that returns Prime Minister David Cameron to 10 Downing Street in a stronger position than before.

The election was fought over the economy and the question of whether the Conservative-led government charted the right course through the aftermath of the 2008 economic crisis, the worst recession since the 1930s.

Heaping further pressure on the working poor has been an influx of thousands of migrants from the European Union…The influx has changed Britain and strained schools, hospitals and other public services.

Britain’s economy — recovering after years of turmoil that followed the 2008 financial crisis — was at the core of many voters’ concerns.”

Posted by: Royal Flush at May 8, 2015 4:35 PM
Comment #395062

Look, you may get a short term political boost by your political fanaticism, and people’s fear, but look at this whole Jade Helm 15 debacle.

I mean, the premise itself is ****ing insane. It’s the sort of things people believe when they believe that folks are beaming thoughts into their heads from satellites.

That is the kind of thing your side is depending on, whether here, or elsewhere in the world. Not just fear, but fear exercised to the exception on only of reason, but perception of the real world.

This is the sort of thing that rots away not only at a party’s outside, but it’s insides, too. Sooner or later, you’ll deliver yourselves to a crippling reality check. Somebody will actually act on this kind of insanity.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at May 9, 2015 11:14 AM
Comment #395065

Stephen, I agree the Jade Helm thing was blown out of proportion, BUT I blame the Army for at least not informing the Gov. of Your State that they were going to have a big exercise there. The insanity thing could have been avoided by just informing the Gov. and letting him know to keep mum about it.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 9, 2015 11:35 AM
Comment #395088

First, it was not going to stay secret in the first place. Second, I think Abbott was likely briefed on it.

Regardless, though, he could simply have said, “I am not concerned about this,” and left it at that. By treating it as a legitimate concern, he’s only added fuel to the fire.

Posted by: Stephen Daugher at May 9, 2015 2:01 PM
Comment #395130

Firstly Stephen, If Abbott was briefed, Why did he act the way he did? Secondly, Your right it wouldn’t have remained a secret for very long when a Tank is parked in your back yard. Thirdly, I would be very pissed off if the Army didn’t notify me of what was going to happen in my State and I would be very concerned.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 9, 2015 7:13 PM
Comment #395325


“If Abbott was briefed, Why did he act the way he did?”

The Military issued a press release on jade helm the last week of March, Abbott went nuts on the 28 of April, ordering the Texas Guard to monitor the exercise.

So… is it possible Abbott is merely pandering to his looniest constituents? Because he is surely doing nothing to calm anyone’s fears.

I live in Arizona. So far there is no great hue and cry about the Military here.

Perhaps we can just chalk it up to being Texas.


Posted by: Rocky Marks at May 10, 2015 5:14 PM
Comment #395344

Rocky, Press release is one thing, being briefed is another. Although I agree Texas did act foolish. With the amount of Military bases in Texas they should be used to those kind of things.

Posted by: Rich KAPitan at May 10, 2015 8:03 PM
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