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Decent growth for October jobs

BLS found 204,000 more payroll jobs in October and revised September and August upward by 60,000 jobs. The average over the previous 12 months is now 194,000 jobs a month. That’s not too bad.

This was one of the best job reports this year. There has been 1.8 million people added to payrolls this year so far. We've now had 37 straight months of positive job growth worth 6.6 million jobs.

Unemployment increased slightly back up from 7.2% to 7.3%. This was apparently due to the shut down and we should see it reverse for November numbers if so.

I'm still keeping my eye on part time jobs. So far the idea that Obamacare is costing us full time work is not backed up just on the number of full time versus part time workers alone. So far there are fewer part time jobs this year than last. To continue to make this argument someone will need to dig a lot deeper.

Anyone bought gasoline lately? You remember the folks saying gasoline was headed to $5 a gallon and it was all President Obama's fault? I wonder where those folks are now.

The economy continues to grow at a steady pace. There's no much to complain about this month. What weakness there was in the BLS report seems to be tied to the shutdown. We'll have to wait and see how November numbers look just to be sure.

In other news:

But wait:

Posted by Adam Ducker at November 8, 2013 9:55 PM
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Despite all the headwinds and obstructions to salvaging the economy from the financial wreckage, the progress has been somewhat impressive. I only lament what CNBC reported this week, that if Congress had found budgets and compromise on responses to the Recession, the economy would likely be overheating today with minimal unemployment and large federal revenues offsetting the deficits even more. The absence of budgets falls negatively upon both parties. And to a small degree, that lack of compromise rests on Democrats failure to execute the Nuclear Option in the Senate, and reforming the filibuster rules. Which is why I have to remain faithful to the Vote Out Incumbents Democracy PAC.

Posted by: David R. Remer at November 9, 2013 12:06 AM
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Actually, it is good growth. Interestingly, growth is picking up at a time when government spending is falling rapidly and the Congress and the President are gridlocked so not much is passing through. Perhaps the success is not in spite of, but because of this.

It is great to have energy and vigor, but running faster in the wrong direction is worse than not moving at all.


If Republicans retake the Senate next year, will you still support the nuclear option? Democrats did not exercise the option when they could because they know they will not want to live with the results later.

Posted by: CJ at November 9, 2013 11:01 AM
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CJ, of course I would. The filibuster rules extant undermine the concept of democracy, promoting obstruction, if not, rule by minority.

Actually, government spending has not dropped all that much. It’s growth has been severely limited, along with rational appropriation of revenues which the government does have. Across the board cuts in the Sequester did as much harm as it did in holding down spending growth. WE need a budget agreed upon by both Parties. Without it, our federal ability to prioritize spending and get positive results in at least some areas under its purview remains out of reach.

Posted by: David R. Remer at November 9, 2013 2:35 PM
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The nature of sequester was indeed a problem. I know that I could cut 5-10% off my budget w/o much trouble, IF I could cut the things that should be cut and reform procedures.

Actually, I am working on a presentation about how to do more with less. The secret is simple but hard to do. It requires a REAL change of management that empowers staff to make decisions, therefore cutting layers and making the organization more nimble. I am already preparing for the responses that they are already doing that or why they cannot. Nothing we do is rocket science, but having the persistence to get the job done is rare.

I cut 20% off our travel budget AND we traveled MORE. This was based on 2010, when things were even a little cheaper, but my predecessor lacked discipline. The simple solution was to forbid ticket changes and demand people make arrangements well in advance, when you can get better deals on things. In my 2+ years at my current assignment, I have never missed a flight, never changed a ticket and never lost a reservation. My staff has to do as I do, since they know that the boss does it and there is no reason why they cannot be “inconvenienced” in order to do things right.

But you know what you get for saving money. Only the satisfaction of doing a good job. It actually creates a little trouble for you.

One of the biggest problems is the dumb HR system, BTW. We try so hard to protect “rights” that you cannot get some things done at all.

Anyway, I could write a book about it, and maybe I will. We are accomplishing remarkable things, but I am getting mighty sick of the crap.

Sorry to get off subject. As I said, I am in the middle of writing my presentation and so I am thinking about all the things and anticipating either the shit I will get for telling truth to power or else the simple silence.

Posted by: CJ at November 9, 2013 3:30 PM
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Posted by: Air blower at November 10, 2013 8:17 AM
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The best way to guarantee chaotic results is short-term oriented reactiveness. When just a few motions by the markets can create profound effects, predictability goes out the window, and small problems create big consequences with inordinate speed.

I don’t think there are magic means to properly govern. I think in a nation where the rule of law is present and in force, you need to pay attention to the consequences of policies, rather than maintain an overwhelming believe that certain things are true, and that if you carry out the policy, the results will be predictable.

In terms of tickets and travel, I hope you’re not giving your staff a reputation for being late or anything like that. Efficiency I can admire, but it’s more than just the fulfillment of an equation, it’s the fulfillment of purpose. You might be putting your staff at the mercy of what I’ve known to be a rather chaotic system. The airlines have their efficiency schemes, too, only theirs revolve around making series of flights with one aircraft, rather than multiple. It makes perfect sense until you realize that if there’s a delay on one leg of that journey, everything else suffers.

Sometimes, economy is to be admired. Sometimes it’s just the triumph of monetary efficiency over practical.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 11, 2013 8:08 AM
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CJ, thanks for the thoughtful reply. Brings to mind one of the biggest sources of waste in government, corporate special interests allocations, and the whole “money is speech” debacle invented purely as an insurance policy by corporate interests, who went even further to get themselves declared as single entity human being citizens with nearly all the incumbent rights of a citizen plus more.

What Republican president Eisenhower warned of the industrial military complex is now true of entire corporate sectors. Capitalism married to one person, one vote representative democracy CAN work and work well. We have seen it work during and after WWII. But, it can only work when they are distinctly different enterprises. Just as government interference with the daily operations of corporations will do far more harm than good, the reverse is also just as true. Capitalism, which is regulated to protect the public, but free in all other respects to pursue profits through customer satisfaction and efficiency, can be an enormous asset to a society and its future. Our government, if conforming to democracy as its process for representation, and if held by the media to standards of transparency and accountability for its actions, can do as much for the present and future of a society as capital interests and small business.

They are like our two legs, which work best when each operates independently but, in coordination with the other. When business interests shape government policy, or government intrudes into the daily decisions of individuals and business for ideological reasons, you get two legs failing to coordinate, resulting in their tripping each other up. The whole of society then suffers the fall and injuries resulting, in one way or another, now or later.

Of course, it would be enormously helpful if our educational system taught all future voters this indispensable understanding to good citizenship and responsible politics.

Posted by: David R. Remer at November 12, 2013 8:22 AM
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“Business interests” shaped the ACA. Government uses the ACA to intrude in the daily decisions of individuals and business for purely ideological reasons.
This administration failed to coordinate with ALL of the American people. The individual and society are suffering.

Apparently, our educational system will also have to teach when this “indispensable understanding” is to be applied, and when it is not.

Posted by: kctim at November 12, 2013 9:18 AM
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Of course, it would be enormously helpful if our educational system taught all future voters this indispensable understanding to good citizenship and responsible politics.

Posted by: David R. Remer at November 12, 2013 8:22 AM

The education system IS teaching future voters “good citizenship” and “responsible politics”; it’s called the federally sponsored program of “Common Core” standards:

I know you are vehemently against the Common Core standards that are being thrust upon our children…Last night I attended a “forum” held by our school system. In a nutshell, it was an hour and a half long and the first hour was listening to Dallas Dance (county superintendent), Lillian Lowery (state superintendent),a PTA leader, and a teacher from Catonsville High School basically tell us how great this was going to be.

Then we [watched] a video starting with Martin O’Malley saying how great it was, and then other “educators” saying how great it was. Finally, Dallas Dance read some written questions submitted by parents for the other 3 in the forum to answer. They were mostly softball questions of course and you could feel everyone’s frustration that no hard- hitting questions were being asked.

Finally, a frustrated parent got up and interrupted Lillian Lowery and was challenging one of her pre-planned answers. He was not rude but they had security come in to take him out. Luckily a parent was videotaping the event and sent it to our local media.

I have attached a link to the Baltimore Sun website that has an article and the video of the father being dragged out. He was arrested and held until 3:00 a.m. He was just a dad trying to get some information about his children’s education and ended up in jail for not sitting down and shutting up. I was there and it was absolutely chilling to watch this man silenced.

A parent of a ten year old was shocked to discover a grammar and writing test paper that their child brought home from school reads more like document from an authoritarian country such as China.

The parent sent a portion of the test paper to Infowars, revealing that it contains sentences such as “The commands of government officials must be obeyed by all.”

The paper uses such sentences and asks school children to replace certain words in order to make the sentence contain a possessive noun.

Others within the paper include:

“The job of a president is not easy.”

“He makes sure the laws of the country are fair”

“The wants of an individual are less important than the needs of a nation”

I don’t know about Remer, but I am really excited that the government has chosen to educate our children about politics; to bad it’s false material and anti-constitutional.

Posted by: Political Hostage at November 12, 2013 9:54 AM
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RE - “In terms of tickets and travel, I hope you’re not giving your staff a reputation for being late or anything like that.”

We are NEVER late anymore. My discipline was exactly to avoid that, so that we don’t pay fines or rescheduling.

I have thought through the whole process in a systemic and ecological way. We do much more than we did before by being smarter and more focused. But it takes attention. Many do not want to take the time to be smart. They prefer to drown the problem in money.

Posted by: CJ at November 12, 2013 11:54 AM
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the labor participation rate in October was down to 62.8 percent, a rate that hasn’t been seen since March of 1978.
Citing the latest BLS data, the EPI calculated that the U.S. economy added about 204,000 jobs last month. Now the bad news. The EPI further noted:

While 204,000 new jobs is a better number than we have seen recently, the month-to-month signal is potentially murky. At a time like this it’s useful to step back and take stock of the larger picture. The larger picture, however, is grim. We need 8.0 million jobs to get back to the pre-recession unemployment rate, and at the average rate of growth of the last 12 months, that won’t happen for another five years. The unemployment rate has improved substantially from its peak exactly four years ago of 10% in October 2009. However, most of that improvement was not for good reasons, it was due to the growth in the number of “missing workers”—people who have dropped out of, or never entered, the labor market because jobs opportunities are so weak. There are currently roughly 6.1 million missing workers, and if these workers were in the labor force looking for work, the unemployment rate would be 10.8 percent instead of 7.3 percent.

In other words, the reason that U.S. unemployment rate declined once the financial crisis abated is largely because so many Americans have given up seeking a job. This suggests that the Obama administration’s policy of trying to regulate our way to prosperity by piling on more federal rules like minimum wage hikes, new health insurance mandates, expanding Sarbanes-Oxley requirements, setting limits of carbon dioxide emissions, ad infinitum, has failed. Who knew?

Posted by: Rhinehold at November 12, 2013 3:29 PM
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PH, many thanks for the school board clip and the way a parent was treated. It is chilling indeed.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 12, 2013 5:06 PM
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Royal, the chilling thing about Common Core is that the local school board and parents have been totally taken out of the education process. It puts government in complete control and this is exactly what socialist want. No wonder so many parents are home schooling. DC has one of the most violent and failing school systems and what did Obama do as soon as he got to the WH? He cut charter school funding, forcing black kids to attend the failing public education system…while his daughters attended private school.

Oh….don’t get me started on this…the Democrats have done their best to ruin the lives of blacks. They are the massas and the blacks are the slaves.

Posted by: Political Hostage at November 12, 2013 5:21 PM
Comment #374002

Common Core May Suck, But It’s Unfairly Blamed for Politicized Public School Lessons

Common Core, the controversial set of new national education standards touted by the by the National Governors Association and the Chief Council of State School Officers, with significant federal encouragement, is in the news again. This time, it’s being called out for promoting politicized lessons spoon-fed to the captive audience of kiddies in the public schools. But this is an unfair charge. Common Core has a lot wrong with it, high-pressure included, but it doesn’t specify lesson-plans or politicized content. The real problem is the much older one of schools controlled by government officials.

The problem isn’t Common Core, it’s that government officials control so many schools, even in the age of expanding choice, and schools are a handy delivery system for pet ideas to (presumably) receptive young minds.

There’s plenty to object to about Common Core. But dumping the new standards won’t solve the problem of politicized curriculum so long as government officials control schools and get to force-feed their messages to the children of people with very different ideas.

Posted by: Rhinehold at November 12, 2013 6:26 PM
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Oh….don’t get me started on this…the Democrats have done their best to ruin the lives of blacks. They are the massas and the blacks are the slaves.
Posted by: Political Hostage at November 12, 2013 5:21 PM

An example of “kill them with kindness” perhaps?

Liberal policies have been successful in fooling many people for a very long time. As yet, liberals have not run out of “other peoples” money to spend. However the push back by working Americans is getting ever stronger. It is the primary reason that the TEA party has been so successful.

It now seems that obama and his political supporters have out-smarted themselves and are feeling the heat from years of obfuscation and outright lying. The working middle class are not better off than they were before obama…but much worse off. Liberal policies practiced by both parties have damaged the American dream. The chickens are coming home to roost and shit all over both houses.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 12, 2013 6:29 PM
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It is not mostly political pressure. Despite some changes during the Obama times, the Federal bureaucracy is still fairly insulated from overt partisan politics.

My critic of government is not that it is bad or corrupt but rather that it is unsuited to undertake some kinds of tasks. Unfortunately, those are often precisely the types of things people want and politicians promise.

Government works best when it sticks to basic tasks and is conservative (small c) with what it pushes. Things take time to develop. If government is asked to undertake short term tasks, some will try and when they fail they will blame outside forces But it is a structural problem.

The ObamaCare debacle is an excellent example of reach exceeding grasp. Such a thing should have been rolled out a little at time, with pushses and adjustments. Government - politicians - have to go for the big bang. Anything sel is “unfair” as some get before others.

Done right, however, no politician can claim credit because the process starts to work itself in ways even a super smart academic like Obama cannot have understood or foreseen.

Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2013 10:41 AM
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Done right, however, no politician can claim credit because the process starts to work itself in ways even a super smart academic like Obama cannot have understood or foreseen.

When we think of the left’s claims of Obama’s vast academic abilities, we are once again reminded of Valerie Jarrett’s comments about how intelligent Obama is. One would think the challenge of Obamacare would be enough to bring Obama out of his boredom and into reality:

Whether Jarrett’s influence is all too real or exaggerated is unknowable. What is known is the extent to which she has long been a peerless enabler of Barack Obama’s inflated opinion of himself. Consider this quote from New Yorker editor David Remnick’s interview with her for his 2010 book The Bridge.

“I think Barack knew that he had God-given talents that were extraordinary. He knows exactly how smart he is… . He knows how perceptive he is. He knows what a good reader of people he is. And he knows that he has the ability — the extraordinary, uncanny ability — to take a thousand different perspectives, digest them and make sense out of them, and I think that he has never really been challenged intellectually… . So what I sensed in him was not just a restless spirit but somebody with such extraordinary talents that had to be really taxed in order for him to be happy… . He’s been bored to death his whole life. He’s just too talented to do what ordinary people do.”

I found another site that answers the left’s continuous claims that Obama was the president of the prestigious Harvard Law Review, due to his high intelligence level:

Funny…there are no grade transcripts…inquiring minds want to know???

Posted by: Political Hostage at November 13, 2013 11:14 AM
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You know, I’ve read plenty of disasters where some guy without feedback pushes a system already at a critical point past it, simply because they could not realize that they’d crossed a threshold of safety or effectiveness at some point.

Republicans seem to suffer from that. Their whole system is built around making Conservatism seem like the perfect political philosophy, while it disparages ours.

They haven’t allowed us to really transition away from the failed policies of the Bush years. We’re still running with banks heavily dependent on their derivatives trading, hence that London Whale thing a while back.

The Republicans are making the same explanations for how the economy best works that they did before it collapsed. They’ve thrown some scapegoats their voters’ way, but the reality is, the real causes, the derivatives markets, remain fairly untouched, thanks to their intervention.

My attitude is that either people will learn their lessons concerning these situations by study, or by the repeated emphasis of duplicated failures. My attitude has always been that it’s better to learn from somebody else’s experience than your own, and failing that, learn from your mistakes the first time, rather than have to have things drilled into your skull by bitter repetition.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 13, 2013 11:44 AM
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It’s Bushs fault.
It’s the Republicans fault.
The most “bitter repetition” of them all.

Posted by: kctim at November 13, 2013 12:15 PM
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They haven’t allowed us to really transition away from the failed policies of the Bush years.

Oh good lord Daugherty, have we gone back to blaming Bush again…after 5 years of a Obama presidency? What about how great the recovery is going? You have been telling us for the past 3 years how much better we are after Obama’s plans were enacted.

Let me quote Valerie Jarrett once again; let’s let these words sink in…they are the words of the left, including you Stephen:

“I think Barack knew that he had God-given talents that were extraordinary. He knows exactly how smart he is… . He knows how perceptive he is. He knows what a good reader of people he is. And he knows that he has the ability — the extraordinary, uncanny ability — to take a thousand different perspectives, digest them and make sense out of them, and I think that he has never really been challenged intellectually… . So what I sensed in him was not just a restless spirit but somebody with such extraordinary talents that had to be really taxed in order for him to be happy… . He’s been bored to death his whole life. He’s just too talented to do what ordinary people do.”

Daugherty, you’re trying to tell us that for some reason the “Omniscient”, “Omnipotent”, and “Omnipresent” Obama is unable to fix these “mere earthly” problems.

You are blaming the Republicans for Obama’s problems and at the same time telling us that “he knows what a good reader of people he is”…that “he knows that he has the ability — the extraordinary, uncanny ability — to take a thousand different perspectives, digest them and make sense out of them”, and that “he’s just too talented to do what ordinary people do”, and yet he is unable to work with Republicans.

Does anyone else see the comedy in Daugherty’s comments? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

While the liberal politicians are bailing on Obama, running for cover, covering their own asses….Daugherty is still trying to defend him, HAHAHAHAHAHA

Posted by: Political Hostage at November 13, 2013 12:49 PM
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Let me emphasize this once more:


Daugherty, your in the wrong occupation (whatever it is), you should be a comedian on MSNBC with the rest of the comedians.

Posted by: Political Hostage at November 13, 2013 12:55 PM
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I’ll join you in a hearty laugh PH. HAHAHa

Daugherty’s comments read as though they come from one of those fairy tale stories he writes. He has a degree in fiction writing I believe. He holds a PhD in obama as well.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 13, 2013 4:14 PM
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Politics trumps problem solving governance. That is the problem with our two party political system. Democrats and Republicans are equally responsible for failed governance, since they are the law makers. Anyone choosing one side over the other as “the bad guy”, suffers the same problem as our politicians. We need statesman and women, for whom politics is entertained only if it doesn’t interfere with rational, effective problem solving solutions a majority of Americans can support.

Posted by: David R. Remer at November 13, 2013 4:37 PM
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Ahh yes David…but who did you vote for last year; a Republican or a Democrat??? You’re an Obama supporter…so much for “suffering from the same problem”.

Posted by: Political Hostage at November 13, 2013 4:56 PM
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The ACA is an irrational, ineffective “problem” solving solution that a majority of Americans do not support.

Forcing it upon the American people and pretending to know that it is what’s best for ALL Americans is “politics” at its absolute worst.

Posted by: kctim at November 13, 2013 5:04 PM
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That millions of Americans who saw fit to be responsible for their own health care coverage should lose that coverage to please liberal schemes is unconscionable.

The responsible are now being punished to pay for the irresponsible. That is the liberal way, forcibly take from on American to give to another.

I have trouble believing anyone could be so callous and reprehensible.

The next in line to face disillusionment are those on Medicare. Benefits are slated to be reduced and rationed. Don’t believe it…ask your own physician. obama will lie about that also until the inevitable happens.

Hundreds of billions were removed from Medicare to help fund the obamacare fiasco and those chickens will soon come home to roost. If you’re on Medicare be sure to have as many procedures done now, that you may need, rather than later.

Many of us receiving Medicare have paid premiums for years through our payroll taxes and pay premiums through our Social Security now. Yet the liberals have no problem ignoring our sacrifice and payments for what we have and have no compunction about taking it away in favor of those who have not paid a Penney into their own health care.

If I were a liberal I would hide my face in shame at what I have foisted upon good honest working Americans and our retired seniors.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 13, 2013 5:47 PM
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There’s a lot spin on the Obamacare numbers; but it boils down to less than 27k who signed up on the web site. But that includes those who placed a policy in the shopping cart and didn’t buy. The rest of the 106k signed up by phone; but since the administration has a history of lying, we don’t really know how many signed up.

27k is about half of a football stadium of a popular team, say the Cowboys.

On top of that, we have no idea how many are young and healthy or how many are old and sick.

I was worried the Republicans would try to bail the Democrats out on this, but it looks like the dems are on their own. Since the dems are liars and can’t be trusted, it would be a mistake for Boehner to send a Bill to the Senate, only to have Reid gut the it and pass some stupid requirement making the insurance co’s the bad guy.

It’s bad when people can’t be trusted because their liars.

Posted by: DSP2195 at November 13, 2013 5:57 PM
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Forgot to mention the 1/3+ million that were sent to Medicaid. Medicaid is already broke.

Posted by: DSP2195 at November 13, 2013 6:02 PM
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My observation is that politics does not directly impact work in government day to day. But the idea of having to use a bureaucracy and depend on rules based system is what is the problem. These systems are great for some things, but not for the kind of detailed innovation we want government to do.

Posted by: CJ at November 13, 2013 6:07 PM
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It’s interesting to hear from all these Republicans who keep getting beat by Obama how terrible he is. They’ll gloat for as long as they can on whatever failures they can find out or make up, and then they’ll go looking for the next failure.

I’ve come to the conclusion that this constant state of histrionic stress is the entire point of what Republicans do nowadays. Nothing can be considered from a stable, sober state of mind. Everything is decided from some overwrought point of view. And what have we gotten for all that?

Everything is gridlocked. Rather than accept the moderating design of the framers, Republicans have basically pulled out all the stops to have an emotional hissyfit about the fact most Americans don’t agree with their policies.

Obamacare is the focus of their anger now, but before it, they were attacking the Recovery act, and before Obama, they were attacking Democrats for not going full throttle with their blighted agenda, and before that they were trying to force out another duly elected President, hounding him to the edge of the earth for a crime that while serious, hardly merited the millions in tax dollars and years of attention they got.

Worse yet, Republicans have turned into a party of deadbeats, who no more want to take responsibility for resolving America’s problems than they want to work a five day work-week. They’ll let us fall into default to pursue their political obsessions, not even considering the level of shame they’d bring on this country. American exceptionalism my ass. They promote American egotism instead, where we think we’re great while we’re encouraged to act more like boorish morons , while all the great achievements this country made recede off into the past.

The Democrats aren’t always splendiferous, but they’re improvable. Today’s Republicans are all but committed to their stupidity, and that’s why I don’t bother with them. You can fix foolishness, but you can’t fix stupidity, and that’s what today’s Republican Party is saturated by, since it’s been deemed politically incorrect within their ranks to be intellectually competitive, to go and acquire knowledge and expertise through hard work and study.

That’s part of the reason I decided not to grow up a Republican. I could not reconcile the science I had respect for as a nonpartisan, more objective belief system with the BS that Republicans were saying. No, the Democrats aren’t perfect on that, but at least I can imagine making some progress with them.

I can imagine Democrats looking at a situation on its merits, on the basis of what the experts are saying, and crafting a policy around that. I have little faith that Republicans will do the same in this day and age.

I think Republicans are going to refuse to acknowledge that there was a problem before this thing passed in 2010. I think they have no intention of dealing with it. At the end of the day, I want folks in Washington who are at least somewhat useful. I don’t need them to be perfect, to do everything right, but each leader we elect should be an improvement on the one before, if we can help it, and I don’t see any Republicans right now who really constitute improvements.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 13, 2013 10:21 PM
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Once again Stephen Daugherty’s comments boil down to Democrats good - Republicans bad. Nothing has ever changed.

But there is two problems with Daugherty’s logic:

1st, the so called attacks that Daugherty speaks of are links to events taking place by Democrat politicians, and the liberal media.

2nd, and this one ties in with Daugherty’s comments that Democrats are “improvable”:

The Democrats aren’t always splendiferous, but they’re improvable…I can imagine Democrats looking at a situation on its merits, on the basis of what the experts are saying, and crafting a policy around that.

Daugherty is correct…Democrats are flexible when it comes to losing elections. We find at least 15 Democrat Senators and many Representatives bailing on Obama. Bill Clinton has even entered the fray…why… to cover Hillary’s ass in 2016. This fiasco has not only brought Obama’s approval numbers down to 39%, but will kill Hillary’s chances in 2016. Her fingerprints are all over Obamacare.

I made a comment months ago that Obama is from Chicago and he is used to Chicago politics. The kind of politics where subordinates will do whatever it takes to protect a fellow politician. But Obama is in DC…a place where dog eats dog. Obama has tried to surround himself with Chicago thugs; but outsiders (those outside of DC) have no such allegiance. The Clintons are supportive of Obama, but when the rubber meets the road…they are for the Clintons.

Posted by: Political Hostage at November 13, 2013 10:47 PM
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Until the right wing hate machine has run it’s course of Rush-mush and Sean-spawn and starts using honest attempts at governance in conjunction with a practical method of implementing their objectives they will continue to spiral into the nonsensical use of derisive tactics on everything Obama. Barack Obama is the duly elected President of the United States of America and will be for the next 3 years. He is not running for re-election and to continually use filibustering and non-cooperation against his appointments and attempts to aid in forming legislation only points out the obfuscation that the hate machine uses and it is evident to everyone that is not in that bubble of hate. I have my doubts that this will occur since it has been going on since President Carter with some success but there are more Americans becoming aware of their duplicity in demanding to govern but not using the power of governance in a fruitful manner once elected.

Posted by: Speak4all at November 14, 2013 9:58 AM
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The previous systems problems did not warrant it being totally transformed into this “thing” that the left forced upon all Americans.
Each issue should have, could have, been addressed on a one by one basis, IF leftists were serious about “looking at the situation on its merits.” Instead, they totally ignored the people, the real ‘experts,’ and crafted a purely emotional ideological driven policy that the ‘experts’ did not want, and forced it on them.

Posted by: kctim at November 14, 2013 10:20 AM
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“Until the right wing hate machine has run it’s course of Rush-mush and Sean-spawn and starts using honest attempts at governance in conjunction with a practical method of implementing their objectives they will continue to spiral into the nonsensical use of derisive tactics on everything Obama.”

This comment makes no sense, since 16 Dem senators and numerous congressional reps are introducing Bills to kill the effects of obamacare. The comments of Rush or Sean are no different than the comments of dem politicians. If law is defective, no matter who signed it, then fix it.

Obama himself has declared there is a problem with the obamacare law and he is coming out a 11:30 to propose a fix. So any complaints by the right have been echoed by the left. It is only the left on WB who are having a problem understanding the difficulties obamacare has created for the American people.

Posted by: DSP2195 at November 14, 2013 11:00 AM
Comment #374152

No problem understanding the difficulties but there is a problem with some of the fixes. The PPACA is an intricate piece of legislation that has to be used wisely and with some introspection into making it work for as many people as possible. As with any legislation there is the very good probability that it will not satisfy 100% of everyone’s needs and demands but should be worked on to satisfy as many as is humanly possible. Democratic legislators while expressing some need for this work to be done, do not hold the belief that the law is unable to be tweaked to gain the desired effects as has been expressed time and again by the opponents of the law. The left has not echoed one bit of the supposed indignation of the right but has more seriously admitted that there are fixes that need to be tried and tested.

Posted by: Speak4all at November 14, 2013 11:19 AM
Comment #374162

The law is unsustainable; it cannot work unless all Americans sign up through the law. This clearly is not going to happen. The younger millennials will not sign up for obamacare ins. They will pay the penalty, or most likely they will not pay the tax; simply because the IRS does not have the authority to collect the tax.

“As with any legislation there is the very good probability that it will not satisfy 100% of everyone’s needs and demands but should be worked on to satisfy as many as is humanly possible.”

Your right, but there are a 16 dem Senators and numerous House reps that are looking at the very likely possibility of losing their seats. Hence their panic. When the employer mandate kicks in in 2015, the number of unsatisfied Americans could reach as many as 1/3 to 1/2 of the people. Why do you think Obama was talking smack on the news just an hour ago. He knows there’s a problem, and the dems have pushed him to do something/anything.

“Democratic legislators while expressing some need for this work to be done, do not hold the belief that the law is unable to be tweaked to gain the desired effects as has been expressed time and again by the opponents of the law.”

It is a law; it has been passed by the congress and signed by the president. How do you tweak a law? If laws are amended, they must go back to the congress and be voted on. Tweaking a law by executive order is unconstitutional. This law is unfixable and is destined to collapse.

Posted by: DSP2195 at November 14, 2013 12:51 PM
Comment #374165

BTW, Stephen tells us how he just wants government to ‘work’ and bring the best return on in investment and that the facts in his mind show that QE has been not only necessary but successful. The facts are showing a different reality. From an article by Andrew Huszar who “managed the Federal Reserve’s $1.25 trillion agency mortgage-backed security purchase program”:

I can only say: I’m sorry, America. As a former Federal Reserve official, I was responsible for executing the centerpiece program of the Fed’s first plunge into the bond-buying experiment known as quantitative easing. The central bank continues to spin QE as a tool for helping Main Street. But I’ve come to recognize the program for what it really is: the greatest backdoor Wall Street bailout of all time.

The Fed said it wanted to help—through a new program of massive bond purchases. There were secondary goals, but Chairman Ben Bernanke made clear that the Fed’s central motivation was to “affect credit conditions for households and businesses”: to drive down the cost of credit so that more Americans hurting from the tanking economy could use it to weather the downturn. For this reason, he originally called the initiative “credit easing.”

In its almost 100-year history, the Fed had never bought one mortgage bond. Now my program was buying so many each day through active, unscripted trading that we constantly risked driving bond prices too high and crashing global confidence in key financial markets. We were working feverishly to preserve the impression that the Fed knew what it was doing.

It wasn’t long before my old doubts resurfaced. Despite the Fed’s rhetoric, my program wasn’t helping to make credit any more accessible for the average American. The banks were only issuing fewer and fewer loans. More insidiously, whatever credit they were extending wasn’t getting much cheaper. QE may have been driving down the wholesale cost for banks to make loans, but Wall Street was pocketing most of the extra cash….

Trading for the first round of QE ended on March 31, 2010. The final results confirmed that, while there had been only trivial relief for Main Street, the U.S. central bank’s bond purchases had been an absolute coup for Wall Street. The banks hadn’t just benefited from the lower cost of making loans. They’d also enjoyed huge capital gains on the rising values of their securities holdings and fat commissions from brokering most of the Fed’s QE transactions. Wall Street had experienced its most profitable year ever in 2009, and 2010 was starting off in much the same way.

Where are we today? The Fed keeps buying roughly $85 billion in bonds a month…

And the impact? Even by the Fed’s sunniest calculations, aggressive QE over five years has generated only a few percentage points of U.S. growth. By contrast, experts outside the Fed, such as Mohammed El Erian at the Pimco investment firm, suggest that the Fed may have created and spent over $4 trillion for a total return of as little as 0.25% of GDP (i.e., a mere $40 billion bump in U.S. economic output). Both of those estimates indicate that QE isn’t really working.

Unless you’re Wall Street. Having racked up hundreds of billions of dollars in opaque Fed subsidies, U.S. banks have seen their collective stock price triple since March 2009. The biggest ones have only become more of a cartel: 0.2% of them now control more than 70% of the U.S. bank assets.

As for the rest of America, good luck. Because QE was relentlessly pumping money into the financial markets during the past five years, it killed the urgency for Washington to confront a real crisis: that of a structurally unsound U.S. economy. Yes, those financial markets have rallied spectacularly, breathing much-needed life back into 401(k)s, but for how long? Experts like Larry Fink at the BlackRock investment firm are suggesting that conditions are again “bubble-like.” Meanwhile, the country remains overly dependent on Wall Street to drive economic growth.

Even when acknowledging QE’s shortcomings, Chairman Bernanke argues that some action by the Fed is better than none (a position that his likely successor, Fed Vice Chairwoman Janet Yellen, also embraces). The implication is that the Fed is dutifully compensating for the rest of Washington’s dysfunction. But the Fed is at the center of that dysfunction. Case in point: It has allowed QE to become Wall Street’s new “too big to fail” policy.

Posted by: Rhinehold at November 14, 2013 1:44 PM
Comment #374168

You improve (tweak) a law through the legislative process. Please purchase a good book on Civics and Government and try to comprehend that exactly what I was referring to is the process of using the legislative assembly to improve an existing law.

Posted by: Speak4all at November 14, 2013 2:33 PM
Comment #374173

One of the great features of ACA? Giving an out for people who don’t want to pay for healthcare but need emergency assistance…

Tucked inside nearly 11,000 pages of the Affordable Care Act is a little-known provision that doles out three months of free health care to individuals who choose to default on their premiums. People who receive the federal subsidy to be part of Obamacare will be allowed to incur a three-month “grace period” if they can’t pay their premiums and then simply cancel their policies, stiffing the doctors and hospitals. Their only repercussion, writes’s Tori Richards, is that they have to wait until the following year’s open enrollment if they want coverage on the exchange.

So, you need a doctor, you sign up for healthcare and go to the hospital, never paying for that insurance, stiffing the doctors and hospitals and passing that cost on to the responsible among us. The only penalty, having to wait a few months before you can do the same.

I thought the MAIN FUNCTION of the ACA was to stop this practice, not codify it into law and make it easier…

Posted by: Rhinehold at November 14, 2013 3:23 PM
Comment #374174

Speak, the best ‘fix’ for the current ACA would be a repeal and start over with something that would actually work, meet its goals, not shift the cost of healthcare onto the younger (and less wealthy) of us, not put us further into debt and not trample on the rights of millions of Americans

Posted by: Rhinehold at November 14, 2013 3:24 PM
Comment #374177

Rhinehold, thanks for the quotes from Andrew Huszar regarding Quantitative Easing.

I have maintained that it is nothing but a huge windfall for Wall Street. It has done little or nothing for the average working American.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 14, 2013 3:46 PM
Comment #374180

The PPACA will either succeed or fail on it’s merits and amendments to the law. The legislative assembly can do more than just repeal laws, in fact it’s more important job is to not repeal but amend through a deliberative process that seeks to improve law. This law may very well fail, I would not like to see that happen however it will stand on it’s own if it does succeed as one of the greatest achievements in a very long time. I don’t doubt you would like to see it repealed but the chances of that happening seem relatively remote. I don’t chide you for seeking what you desire but remind you that for the last 5 years it’s been pretty much the same thing and it grows old and worn when used this extensively.

Posted by: Speak4all at November 14, 2013 4:10 PM
Comment #374186

Speaks, can you at least admit, if the politicians had read the law before passing it, we might not be in a place where amendments are needed? The law passed on a straight party line vote with no Republicans. Scott Brown of MA was delayed being sworn in for the purpose of not allowing the Republicans to filibuster; and you expect amendments to just sail through the Republican controlled House? I kind of doubt that will happen. Obama will do every trick in the book to keep from sending this back to Congress. This is Obama’s legacy; it is all he has going for him after 5 years in the WH. He will desperately try to hang on to it. However, the Democratic Senators and Congressmen/women up for re-election next year trumps Obama’s legacy. So it will implode:

Let me give you the comments from a leading Democrat:

“Former Democratic presidential candidate Howard Dean questioned whether President Obama has the “legal authority” to carry out the Obamacare fix the White House outlined today:”

Posted by: DSP2195 at November 14, 2013 4:51 PM
Comment #374189

I am certain that the law was read and re-read multiple times. I don’t get this idea that no one read the law, that is absurd and is really only the right wing hate machine’s talking point. Just think about it for a minute, it was written therefore read at least one time and then many times after by people who held an interest in the law. I have talked to fellow citizens (not legislators) that have read the law in it’s entirety it’s not that difficult to do if you like to read legalese. The problem is in understanding the implications of the law. We are still working through that now, and we will continue to do that as we move forward. As I said before this is an intricate piece of legislation that even today may fail due to the amendments and improvements that are made, we shall see and we shall try to improve. Just please stop with the it will fail, it will fail, it will fail constant meme that was promulgated and continues to be by the right wing hate machine. I don’t doubt anyone of us could doubt whether President Obama has the legal authority to make the changes he is attempting to make however time will tell if that bears any truth. Let us all stay tuned for more.

Posted by: Speak4all at November 14, 2013 5:24 PM
Comment #374192

Oh and one more thing. Apologies to Adam for again hijacking the jobs information thread. Maybe your next posting needs to be something like “The Right Wing Hate Machine’s Inability To Understand When The Horse Is Dead And No Amount Of Beating Will Bring It Back, And Oh Yeah Jobs”.

Posted by: Speak4all at November 14, 2013 5:44 PM
Comment #374193

Wait a minute speaks, you are saying the law was read before it was voted on and yet Pelosi said we would know what’s in it after it passes. Then you go on to say it’s not that hard to understand and then you go on to say the problem is understanding the implications of the law. None of what you say makes any sense. Most politicians have a legal background with the ability to understand legalese. And all politicians have staffs to do their work for them. I remember when the Bill was on the floor of the Congress and the media asked politicians if they had read the law; the ones that answered the question straight out said they hadn’t, but that their staffs were working on it. We are still hearing of things that are in the law that no one knew about. Example: I read that there is a obamacare tax on selling a house. Did anyone know that? Speaks, you are still trying to make out that the Republicans are the problem (the hate machine) and yet we are continuing to see Democrats make the same comments that Republicans were making a month ago. I believe it’s time for you to look objectively at the failures of the law and quit defending Obama, simply for the case of defending him. You do realize he is just a mortal man and not a divinity, don’t you? Mortal men make mistakes. When you’ve got Democrat Senators, Congressmen, and leaders in the DNC claiming Obama screwed up, then I think it’s time to face reality.

Posted by: DSP2195 at November 14, 2013 5:47 PM
Comment #374194

Speaks, after you have been here for a while, you will understand that posts take on a life of their own. Besides Adam’s original post is 6 days old and the jobs numbers have changed since then.

Posted by: DSP2195 at November 14, 2013 5:51 PM
Comment #374198

I don’t hate any person. I do hate rutabagas however. I also hate lies and stealing. I dislike anchovies, turnips, ambient outside air temperatures over 100 degrees and uncomfortable shoes.

I tolerate those who honestly disagree with my political beliefs.

I despise any political movement whose success will undermine our freedom and liberty.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 14, 2013 6:55 PM
Comment #374205

DSP2195: “Besides Adam’s original post is 6 days old and the jobs numbers have changed since then.”

What’s that mean?

Posted by: Adam Ducker at November 14, 2013 9:59 PM
Comment #374207

Well Adam, I think it means we have moved on to a more important subject. Since the only thing being talked about on the news is Obama’s lies and obamacare imploding, I would say we have moved on. Join in, if you want to defend Obama.

Posted by: DSP2195 at November 14, 2013 10:44 PM
Comment #374212

DSP2195, I’m just wondering if you were parroting the Limbaugh style “these numbers will be revised next week, we’re being lied to” meme.

Posted by: Adam Ducker at November 15, 2013 6:23 AM
Comment #374214

Don’t really know Adam, I’m a Mark Levine follower, you probably listen to Limbaugh more than me.

Posted by: Political Hostage at November 15, 2013 9:06 AM
Comment #374217

Been here probably longer than you have but only started commenting recently when the hate machine went into high gear. I will apologize to Adam for thread hijacking at my discretion. Get a copy of the bill and read it yourself. Just stop with the meme that no one read the bill, that is absurd. The law will stand or fail on it’s merits, there have been good and bad outcomes so far. Time will tell.

Posted by: Speak4all at November 15, 2013 9:37 AM
Comment #374220

Adam, I don’t really understand why information is wrong simply because it comes from Limbaugh. Do you throw out all information because it is told by MSNBC, Huffpo, Center for American Progress,, or Media Matters?

I listen to those who agree with my political point of view, just like you do.

Posted by: DSP2195 at November 15, 2013 10:15 AM
Comment #374227


The problem isn’t that Limbaugh is occasionally wrong. He’s often wrong on purpose to forward his political agenda. Can you tell me what you specifically meant when you said “the jobs numbers have changed since then” and whether you heard that from Limbaugh?

Posted by: Adam Ducker at November 15, 2013 11:29 AM
Comment #374230

I never heard it from Rush. The jobs numbers always change. The number comes out one week and the numbers are revised the next week.

Posted by: DSP2195 at November 15, 2013 12:08 PM
Comment #374234
Just stop with the meme that no one read the bill, that is absurd.

It’s an interesting thing, the internet… Unlike past attempts to rewrite history, a lot of this information is now stored and easily accessible to counter the attempts to just ignore facts.

The fact is that most of the bill that was voted on which we now call the Affordable Care Act was not read, at least not in any thorough way, by nearly anyone voting on it. What they Democrats did at the time was write a shell bill that went through the congress and just before the vote was taken (and all the deals made to get the votes needed to pass, votes that were from Democrats who were against it) amendments were added to the bill and rushed through, amounting to about 400 previously unseen pages. The congressmen asked for copies of the bill before the vote to read it, as is expected (there is usually a stack of copies waiting for them as they enter the chamber) there were none this time. It was available for less than 40 hours before the congressmen were expected to vote on it.

Do you think 40 hours is a long enough period of time to examine (with NO floor discussion) a bill like? Do you think that perhaps there were things in there that even Democrats didn’t like since Harry Reid had to make a lot of deals and peddle a lot of pork and bribery to get DEMOCRATS to vote for it?

This is not a ‘meme’, it is verifiable fact.

Posted by: Rhinehold at November 15, 2013 12:41 PM
Comment #374236

DSP2195: “The number comes out one week and the numbers are revised the next week.”

This is what Limbaugh always says though. Which numbers are revised the next week?

Posted by: Adam Ducker at November 15, 2013 1:01 PM
Comment #374238

I’m not really interested in job numbers Adam, and I don’t really care about Rush Limbaugh; but I am interested in the House vote on C-Span regarding fixing obamacare. So I may be busy for a while.

Posted by: DSP2195 at November 15, 2013 1:21 PM
Comment #374239


That just tells me you repeating something you heard but you don’t really know what you’re talking about.

Posted by: Adam Ducker at November 15, 2013 1:28 PM
Comment #374242

It is a meme, sorry you were misinformed. I have spoken to people myself who have read the entire bill and although they have a difficult time answering questions about it, due to the complex nature and the unknown outcomes, they wanted to read the bill for precisely the reason you are espousing. They can say “I read the bill”. Believe what you will but don’t try to tell me no one has read the bill, I know different for a fact. My oh my, deals and pork. Wow that’s the first time that has ever happened in Washington DC. Look I know this goes against everything a good libertarian wants and it goes against everything any good citizen wants but Washington DC is not the perfect you suspect I think it is. It is however good for somethings if differences can be worked out and people try to work for the common good, that is not happening in the present. As far as the PPACA goes we will see how successful of legislation it is. It has not had a stellar start but things can change.

Posted by: Speak4all at November 15, 2013 2:22 PM
Comment #374244

Speak, I read the bill/law after it was passed in 2009, no one is saying that no one has EVER read the bill. What they say, and what you are missing, is that the congressmen VOTED on the law without being able to read it first.

I’m not sure why you are having issue with this, I’ve shown you how it went down, it’s all there for anyone with a critical mind can read.

As for pork, geesh I had thought we were voting for Obama so that we could have CHANGE in Washington, not just more of the same. Instead we got even MORE of the same, no change at all.

And no, I knew better than to think anything would change. I did, however, expect people who said they voted for Obama because he was going to change the way Washington works to speak up and denounce him when he further entrenched the status quo. And a small percentage have.

Unfortunately, there are more and more like yourself that would excuse anything that this president did. If he kicked a puppy on the White House lawn, I imagine people like yourself would explain to us how the puppy deserved it and presidents have been kicking puppies for generations before…

BTW, the thing you are missing is that there are people who detailed all of this happening as it has happened based on their knowledge of politics, the law and how a society functions. Don’t you think that those people have more credibility than the people who say ‘well, it could all turn out good even though the people telling us it will have been wrong every turn.’?

At some point, people have to wake up from their post-voting for Obama stupor and see the realities and facts that people have been trying to point out for years.

Posted by: Rhinehold at November 15, 2013 2:39 PM
Comment #374247

Wait a minute, Obama waved his magic wand and everything didn’t get fixed! You are fooling yourself by attempting to tell me why I voted for Obama. Please don’t do that, I have recently gained respect for some of your opinions and don’t want to believe that you are telling me why I did certain things and what my reasons are and how stupid I was to believe that. I have tried to explain to you that I know what I know about the bill but you keep telling me no you don’t I know what you know about the bill, this is nonsense. Give it a break. I don’t excuse everything President Obama does that is bad but I just don’t seem to see as many bad things as you do, rose colored glasses I would suppose you could say. Speaking of waking up how about you wake up and understand that you don’t know me or what I believe in?

Posted by: Speak4all at November 15, 2013 2:59 PM
Comment #374248

- The Raiders won the Super Bowl last year.
- No, sorry, the Ravens won last years Super Bowl.
- You can say the Ravens won last years Super Bowl all you want, but I know the truth.
- I’m not just saying the Ravens won, they really did win.
- The Raiders won last years Super Bowl, no matter what the Raider hate machines tells you.
- The NFL’s own website says the Ravens won that Super Bowl, go look at it and see.
- I don’t have to go look at it, I know the Raiders won. Guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
- Wait and see what? The Ravens already won.
- It’s a meme, sorry you were misinformed. I watched the game and the Raiders won.
- Dude, the Ravens won the Super Bowl.
- What Super Bowl?
- Last years.
- Why are you bringing that up? Who cares. Let’s all just be patient and see who wins the next game.
- WE were just talking about who won last years Super Bowl!
- Don’t tell me what team I can support. Oh look, squirrel!

Posted by: kctim at November 15, 2013 3:25 PM
Comment #374250

Oh fer crissakes, I give up! You were right I was wrong. Go rent a Uhaul and I’ll meet you at the Whitehouse. If I don’t get there in time just start moving stuff out and I’ll join you later. I met someone who said that the only way they could have an intelligent discussion was to talk to themselves, here you’ve taken that just to the opposite.

Posted by: Speak4all at November 15, 2013 3:41 PM
Comment #374252

I think kctim was spot on.

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Comment #374255

And I am not surprised that you would.

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