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The reports of Liberalism's death were greatly exaggerated

Last night President Obama won a clear majority of voters and a decisive victory in the Electoral College. Republicans lost ground in the Senate and lost ground in the House but managed to keep their House majority. Make no mistake. This was a great night for the Democratic party and a wake-up call to the right to step out of their bubble and come back to the reality based community.

President Obama claimed the first victory of the night. He gets four more years to lead this nation and continue to grow his legacy as an American President for the better or worse on his terms. He doesn't have a strong mandate to run roughshod over the GOP in Congress but the Republicans are officially on notice to work with the president or face defeat in 2014 and beyond.

The right called him Jimmy Carter on day one. The right called him a failure on day one. The right called him a one term president on day one. They were all wrong. In these last few months the growing economy, his rising approval rating, and his unwavering support for labor and minority voters were all keys to keeping the White House.

The second victory is for polls and polling science. There has likely never been so much polling at a state and national level and the polls were as accurate if not more accurate than they've ever been. Yet, the alternate realities constructed by the right to discredit polls and those who support polling were downright nasty and embarrassing.

Never have I seen polls and pollsters smeared more. Never has so much effort been undertaken to deny the reality the polls were presenting. The irony is that in accusing polls of being "skewed" their process of "unskewing" a scientific poll actually introduced the very bias they claimed to be fighting against. Because of that many on the right were completely and utterly shocked that the president won exactly by the margins predicted in the polls and exactly as folks like Nate Silver predicted.

The last and final victory I want to talk about was just liberalism as a movement. The nation didn't veer hard left last night but it certainly moved that direction to the dismay of the TEA Party and other movement conservatives who were so smug and so sure of their victory over liberals in the days leading up to this election.

Firebrand conservatives like Allen West were sent packing. Unrepentant liberals like Alan Grayson were given another chance. The Democrats grew their ranks in both chambers of the US Congress. Legislation expanding gay marriage passed in multiple states and legislation aimed at curbing gay marriage failed in multiple states. Democrats largely held on to their contested governorships despite losing at least one.

This is the final call for conservatives to stop digging our graves. Liberalism is not dead. The Democratic Party is not dead. President Obama is not dead. We're alive and doing fine. Climb out of that hole and rejoin the rest of us working to make America stronger or we'll likely bury you in it instead.

Posted by Adam Ducker at November 7, 2012 9:16 AM
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Comment #356723

Adam, It was as much the conservatives shooting themselves in the foot as it was dems with the right plan. Most Americans do not give a whit if the answer to the problem comes from conservatives or liberals they just want an answer that works for the problem, IMHO.

Conservatives have drifted farther away from reality for the past decade as they have been fed misinformation half truths and outright lies from the conservative media. Many of us that have conservative stricken relatives and friends have had to put up the scissors and other sharp objects as we have watched them descend into the void between conservative reality and the real world. We have watched as they have grew in numbers and inflicted their illness upon other friends and neighbors with near psychotic fervor.

As they sank further and further into the extremes of their delusional ideology we watched the country sink into a meltdown. It has been hard to watch as they destroyed themselves and the country with the conservative kool aid. The pushers that fed the propaganda to our neighbors lost yesterday. It is now time for those stricken with the conservative maladies to begin their recovery and move away from the extremes.


“This last point is why Dick Morris can add to his extraordinary record of being catastrophically wrong about just about every major prediction he makes without fear (as long as Fox News renews his contract) of being held accountable. Conservatives are not going to be angry at conservative commentators for telling them what they wanted to hear. They will now simply blame the mainstream media, fraud, and the “low info” voters instead. The conservative outlets themselves will now be all too happy to still have Obama around as a cash cow for the next four years.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-ziegler/romney-loss-conservative-media_b_2084911.html

Posted by: j2t2 at November 7, 2012 10:09 AM
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I am truly a man who is liberal on some things and conservative on others. I have a voting record that proves it. I agree completely we need to take a best of approach to solutions on a national level and as a liberal if things like gay marriage happen to take hold across the nation due to liberal movements then that’s great too. We need conservatives and liberals to embrace solutions that are reality based and not just wedge based.

Posted by: Adam Ducker at November 7, 2012 10:15 AM
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Adam,

Obama’s hard left policies won last night and that means 50+% of the people are willing to embrace further hard left policy. The nation veered very hard left last night.

You should be shouting your victory from the rooftops, not playing it down.

Posted by: kctim at November 7, 2012 10:51 AM
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kctim,
I can’t think of a single “hard left” Obama policy. Most of what Obama stands for were republican policies for most of my life up until 2008. Health Care Reform is probably the best example of this. It was THE right-wing solution… Right up until Obama supported it.
What the nation did last night was move back to the center from the far-right Tea Partiers of 2010. The federal government hasn’t been in left-wing territory in my lifetime, and it still isn’t.

Posted by: Allen at November 7, 2012 11:27 AM
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Adam,
No question, liberals won, the far right decisively lost, and once again, reality has proven to have a liberal bias.

In demographic terms, women favored Obama +12, Latinos by a + ridiculous number, and blacks & gays & the young completed the voting bloc.

In electoral terms, “… the traditionally blue states—the ones Democrats have won five times in a row—are worth 242 EVs. Obama won every one of them. None were even close. Not even Wisconsin, where Obama had a 7-point margin even with a Wisconsite on the opposing ticket. Romney made a last-ditch effort to win Pennsylvania, but came up short. The blue team won by 5 points. So next time around, we can talk about the 242 EVs that the Democrats have won six times in a row… New Mexico is now dark blue, so make that 247. Obama also won Nevada, Iowa, and New Hampshire by margins of 6, 5, and 5 points, respectively. If they get added to the Democratic base, it becomes 263. If the Democrats have a floor of 263 EVs in 2016, the Republicans have to win all of Colorado, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida. All of them.”

Two other quick observations:

Romney lost, in part, because voters continue to hold the Bush administration responsible for the economy; however, that did not obligate the GOP to continue to push the policies of the Bush administration. They could have changed their tack. They did not.

Barely noticed is the way the Obama campaign just plain outsmarted the Romney campaign. The Obama campaign concentrated its effort on a small number of swing states and concentrated its resources there. Romney played into that idea. The proper move would have been to use superior financial resources to expand the definition of swing states to 12 or 15, and stretch the Obama campaign beyond its means.

Well, it will be interesting to see what the GOP takes away from this election. The numbers are what they are. It’s pretty hard not to notice. Liberals won. Conservatives lost. The demographics and electoral map make it likely the liberals will win by even wider margins in the future if the Republicans fail to adapt.

Posted by: phx8 at November 7, 2012 11:32 AM
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My message to folks today is liberalism is alive and well and not going anywhere any time soon. Anyone who said otherwise was fooling themselves. We’re a nation that swings left and right with the times and leadership but our core stays the same. It’s funny how quickly conservatives switch from talking about how strong, resilient and exceptional America is to instead say we’re dying, doomed and headed the way of the Dodo. Watch for the return of the America tombstone graphics on blogs that proclaim the end of our nation, R.I.P. America, etc. They were promoted by the right in 2008 but they slowly went away over time. I think they’ll be back.

Posted by: Adam Ducker at November 7, 2012 11:41 AM
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The second victory is for polls and polling science. There has likely never been so much polling at a state and national level and the polls were as accurate if not more accurate than they’ve ever been.
Really?
Iowa 6%
Wisconsin 7%
Minnnesota 8%
Michigan 9%
Is that what the polls were predicting? I heard that Romney had a chance in Iowa and Wisconsin. The electoral map looks like a map of the economic activity of the country to me. With the exception of Texas, most of the economy of the country voted against Romney. How come the polls didn’t say that?

Posted by: ohrealy at November 7, 2012 11:53 AM
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orealy: “Is that what the polls were predicting?”

Yes. Real Clear Politics predicted the correct winner of the popular vote and missed by just 1.5%. They also correctly predicted 49 of 50 states missing only 1 of 11 tossup states assuming Florida is for Obama. They missed the margin by only an average of 2.5%

Nate Silver, widely panned and mocked by the right, predicted the correct winner of the popular vote and missed by just 0.3%. He also predicted 50 of 50 states and all 11 tossups assuming Florida is for Obama.

There are seven other pollsters who predicted the election correctly for Obama with varying degrees of success. The two questions for polls are did they predict the right winner and by how much did they miss. It wasn’t by much. This was a very good election for polling science and for pollsters and statisticians who staked their entire reputation on their number crunching.

Posted by: Adam Ducker at November 7, 2012 12:18 PM
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Allen,

A version of the ACA was implemented at the state level, in a liberal state, by a moderate Republican govenor willing to represent both sides of the aisle. Yes, it was tossed around in think-tanks, but it was never approved by rank and file Republicans to be ran on the federal level.

Government mandates that take away individual rights is hard left policy. When done on the national level with total disregard for the people, it is extreme leftist policy.

What the nation did last night was embrace leftist policy and the huge government that comes with it. You won!
You should be celebrating this victory and the many victories to come when you get your liberal Supreme Court.

Posted by: kctim at November 7, 2012 12:20 PM
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I wonder what Frank is up to today. We haven’t heard from him since President Obama won. Yesterday he was even more full of name calling and personal insults than usual and telling every liberal to draft Obama’s concession speech.

I wait patiently for Frank to admit he was wrong. He was especially wrong about the polls. But outside that that he was wrong about pretty much everything he ever said about the election leading up to last night.

He may have gone to bed early thinking Obama lost in a landslide and he’s cheerfully going about his day oblivious to reality as usual. That’s my guess.

Posted by: Adam Ducker at November 7, 2012 12:33 PM
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There is an Indispensible Principle in a Democracy and it says We disapprove of what you say, but We will defend to the death your right to say it.

That is the Democratic Principle, but Liberals are not Democrats, and they do not believe in Democracy and Free Speech from what I have experienced.

Remember this: You do disapprove of what Honest People like me say, but will you transport me to your FEMA Death Camps because you love your Dictatorial Imposition on others?

I know that the Bible is the truth, and that I am an Amateur Journalist who wants to save the Planet.

I stopped going to Church years ago, and I know that God will Judge me for that and my other sins, but I know that the Lies and the Evil that Obama and ‘Liberals’ are trained for, will not save this planet, and it will not even save Obama or the Liberals, who are Dictatorial Communists, and the same applies to all People who are Evil Liars. And not just Obama and the ‘Liberals’.

If anyone asks me if I am a Secret Worshipper of the Invisible Devil, then I will not admit to being a Secret Devil Worshiper, because I know that the Devil might kill me if I did that.

I have to admit that I would be a Polygamist if I could afford it, and I heard the Voice of an Invisible Demon tell me that if I stopped being an Honest Amateur Journalist who wants to save the World, then Satan would provide me with a Harem, but what good would it do me if the Planet was not saved, from its many Problems, with the Environment being one of Problem of great concern.

My Plan is to save the World by being an Honest Amateur Journalist, regardless of my Private Life, and to follow the Journalistic Code of Ethics, which means only stating Facts and genuinely held opinions.

I have taken what the American PhD, who anyone with intelligence above room temperature, or who is not lazy can find on the Internet who is the author, and I will just place those facts there.

While I value his genuinely held opinions, we know that opinions are not always correct, I will only use the physical and indisputable facts, and that is why I have only taken the irrefutable facts, because we know that People on the Left will Lie.

I have written what I think can be the Facts, and I do not belittle the opinions of that PhD, but they were written over 4 years ago, and with the passage of time, such opinions could or perhaps should be reviewed as even if the opinions remain the same.

Barack Hussein Obama, is half-white, which he appears to some People to reject, and the rest of him is mostly Arab, which he hides but is disclosed by his non-African Arabic surname and his Arabic first and middle names as a way to triply proclaim his Arabic parentage to people in Kenya. Only a small part of him is Black African from his Luo grandmother, which he appears to pretends he is exclusively. What he is not, not a genetic drop of, is “African-American”, the descendant of enslaved Africans brought to America chained in slave ships. He has not a single ancestor who was a slave. Instead, his Arab ancestors were slave owners. Slave-trading was the main Arab business in East Africa for centuries until the British ended it. Let that sink in: Obama is not the descendant of slaves, he is the descendant of slave owners. There appears to be no reason or logic behind it, no faults or flaws of his can diminish it, no arguments Hillary could or even wants to make of any kind can be effective against it.

The Arab in the White House, who claims to be a Christian, and was placed into the job of President of America by rigged Elections.

The Things that occurred in the Election Campaign are making sense to me, because of what I heard one Person give me their theory.

We know that the American Democrats want a nonreligious America, even though, as Communists, their first preference is if all Americans were atheists, but People are not that stupid, and so the ‘Liberals’ will settle for nonreligious, and they want this Worldwide, but they will not get their wish.

We know that Barack Obama is an Arab, because he rejects the 50 % American White, and he only appears to accept the Arab part of him.

He should from now on be called the Arab in the White House, until he publicly confesses that being white is not unclean, and this is why he may wash more often than others.

We all know that Michael Barone predicted Romney to gain 315 Electoral College Votes compared to 223 for Obama.

We all know that Dick Morris predicted Romney to gain 325 Electoral College Votes compared to 213 for Obama.

We know that the sampling for the Opinion Polls was skewed, and it is a question why the Republicans played the nice guy, because nice guys come last.

There are many People who know that McCain and Palin deliberately lost the 2008 Election so that the Barack Hussein Obama the Arab could become President.

I have only realized a few days ago, that Obama was an Arab, and had I know that I would have referred to him as an American Arab years ago.

I think the reason could be because Americans want to be friends with Arabs, and so the Arabs will have to put away their Islamic Religion, and perhaps the America Voters believed that Obama was more likely to promote friendship with fellow Arabs, and have the Arabs give up their Islamic Religion.

We know that Obama appears to be Un-American, because he acts as if his white half that he inherited from his mother is unclean, he may just be putting on an Act.

American PhD who told us that Barack Hussein Obama is Un-American, because he rejects 50 of his White American identity, and I think you have to consider yourself to be at least 51 % American to be American.

There will be those who think that a Person has to consider themselves to be 100 % American, before they can be American.

We know that Obama covered for his fellow Arabs in the Benghazi Gate Scandal, and Obama and Congress knows that the Arabs will not accept Democracy for as long as they are Muslims, and so Islam must go into extinction, because given a choice for a Democratic World or a Muslim world, the American People have chosen Democracy for the World, and even the Arab in the White House cannot help his fellow Arabs on this.

Obama says that he is a Christian, and if I know that I will be judged by God, and my sins are those of the flesh, even though I know my fate is, this does not mean that I will confess to being a Secret Devil Worshipper, even though I have been accused of that by two of my friends, and one of them refuses to talk to me for the 7 years.

“It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace” (Hebrews 6:4-6).

“Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral” (Hebrews 13:4).

We know that the Invisible Devil and the Invisible Demons know that the Bible is the true Word of God, and if the Devil knows that it is true, then Jesus said that humans also can know that the Bible is the Word of God.

We know that the Democrats said that they want a Non Religious America, but they will not do that for as long as Obama is the President.

This is why the American Democrats will do away with the American Constitution, and perhaps Obama will have a third term, fourth term, because then they can get the Christian Vote.

Obama says that he is a Christian, but the Bible tells us of the Beast Anti Christ who is to come just before Jesus returns, and Obama could be that Beast Anti Christ who poses as a Christian, and with Valerie Jarrett’s statements, Obama could easily be the Beast Anti Christ who poses as a Christian in order to Deceive others from Studying their Bibles, Praying to God, and engaging in Christian Activities.

As an Honest Amateur Journalist who wants to save the World, I too could easily be persecuted even though I stopped going to Church years ago, because Satan wants to Destroy the Planet, and he has found People to be his Servants.

Many People will conclude that I have been unwillingly chosen by Satan to try to save the World, and the First thing that needs to be acknowledged by everyone is that the Bible says that Satan Rules this World by means of the World Power, and that happens to be America, who has an Arab in the White House.

Posted by: Election at November 7, 2012 1:13 PM
Comment #356749

Keep walking, phx8. Do not make eye contact…

Posted by: phx8 at November 7, 2012 1:20 PM
Comment #356750

Btw, it looks like the Democrats will attain 55 seats in the Senate. That’s an incredible victory. Truly amazing. They were defending 23 seats, the GOP 10, yet the Democrats gained seats!

Posted by: phx8 at November 7, 2012 1:23 PM
Comment #356752

As far right as Adrienne is far left, Election!!!!

Posted by: KAP at November 7, 2012 1:27 PM
Comment #356753

“Keep walking, phx8. Do not make eye contact…”

LOL. Jesus take the wheel.

Posted by: Adam Ducker at November 7, 2012 1:30 PM
Comment #356754

As I said congrats on the win but use it wisely or 2014 will be another 2010 for the Democrats.

Posted by: KAP at November 7, 2012 1:33 PM
Comment #356755

Adam,
Election needs help. It’s too weird and elaborate to be a joke. Is there a way to kindly encourage such a person to see a doctor?

Election-
There’s nothing wrong with seeking help. In one way or another, we all need a helping hand at one time or another, and that can take many forms. Please, help yourself. See a doctor.

Posted by: phx8 at November 7, 2012 1:34 PM
Comment #356756

Back to politics-
In an analysis of the presidential polls, PPP came out on top for accuracy. Rasmussen and Gallup ranked at the bottom. Rasmussen missed every single swing state except NC, and even there, they got the margin wrong.

Posted by: phx8 at November 7, 2012 1:36 PM
Comment #356757

Phx8: PPP was mocked by the right for daring to predict as much as….wait for it….+3 Democrats. The assumption that the electorate would look like 2010 instead of closer to 2008 was taken on faith by the right kind of like the other ideas about unemployment numbers, etc.

Posted by: Adam Ducker at November 7, 2012 1:39 PM
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Adam, I often start to reply but after writing six paragraphs I realize people will just breeze over the post like most people do to SD’s novellas so I just close the window, but this time I need to first congratulate you on your read of the state of the state, and then tell you your prognostication about people saying America is dead is truly sadder than sad.

The US dollar IS dead. I’ve been saying it for the past two years. The only thing keeping things afloat is the fact that people still foolishly believe that a fiat dollar has value. I am actually happy that Obama got elected - I wrote in Ron Paul as a protest vote against Romney. Why? Because Romney’s policies would have prolonged the death and subsequent rebirth of the dollar (or whatever) by making investment super lucrative for a short time. Last week I held my sweet mother’s hand as she died after watching her be water-boarded for 3 straight years with advanced emphysema. (She always said each breath was like breathing through a wet T-shirt) My mother’s health is (was) a mirror of our economy and Romney would have been the equivalent to steroids, antibiotics, and oxygen tubes… prolonging the inevitable. Obama is to the dollar what the hospital’s decision to send my mother home on hospice was. The best thing for everyone, even her.

The only way fundamental fiscal sanity will return to this country is on the other side of the death of our currency.

I do hope that 2 years of electing a black president would quench the smell of bullshit that is so nauseating every time someone who dislikes Obama is immediately called a racist, but it will likely not.

Posted by: Yukon Jake at November 7, 2012 2:01 PM
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Yukon Jake:

First of all I’m sorry to hear about your mother. That’s truly a shame.

I can’t agree about the dollar. I think the long term prospects for both the dollar and the country are strong even if in the short term we face big fiscal challenges we’ll be forced to deal with one way or another.

I think Romney would have made and OK president as far as liberals are concerned and pretty good if you’re a conservative, but I think President Obama will do a better job in the end and leave the country stronger in four years than it is today.

Posted by: Adam Ducker at November 7, 2012 2:09 PM
Comment #356762

Just for fun I am taking bets on when Rove mysteriously disappears from the earth. He allocated lots of billions of other people’s dollars to the dumpster. Is Jimmy Hoffa scooting over to make room for him? Lol!

Posted by: Ricil at November 7, 2012 2:11 PM
Comment #356763

Somebody from the right confronted me with the economic miracle that Luis Fortuno supposedly wrought in Puerto Rico, even saying that the guy had wonderful approval numbers.

Well, he’s out of a job now. Seems like people were not so grateful for that miracle as we’ve been lead to believe.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 7, 2012 2:30 PM
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I am perfectly sane, and perfectly honest, and I know the truth, and I know that I will die soon, and I have already explained that I am a sinner, and so I do not have to go into details as it is in my other comment.

We all know that I can prove everything I wrote to be correct and true, or to be genuinely held opinions for valid reasons, and I have found that Devious and Unprincipled never get specific, or if they do they are Just being Nitpickers.

I know that Many People will soon be bird food, and if they wish to escape God’s Judgment they will have to study the Bible, and then Repent, and have faith in Jesus and serve God.

‘Liberals’ cannot seem to help themselves other than to slander or insult others, and yet they recommend themselves as being civilized.

“Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against the rider on the horse (Jesus) and his army (of powerful invisible angels). But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the horse (Jesus), and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh” (Revelation 19: 10-21).

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life” (John 3:16).

I think that this Person at whateverhappenedtocommonsense at http://www.youtube.com/user/Whateverhappentocomm?feature=watch speaks at lot of Common Sense, and the only problem with common sense is that it is not that common.

Posted by: Election at November 7, 2012 2:34 PM
Comment #356766

Election, you can study your book and repent til the end of time, but you are still going to pay more in taxes, more for health care and lose more of your individual rights.

Accept it and adapt.

Posted by: kctim at November 7, 2012 2:45 PM
Comment #356768

Adam, as I said yesterday I don’t think ideology is the great divide in our country. Ideology usually co-exists in the same places; we have liberals here as an example. I’m very liberal on many issues myself. Don’t think its wealth or class either. We are more divided on a layer of urban/suburban and demographics. Haven’t seen the exit polls but I would assume most of the urban counties are blue and most of the suburban counties are red and that Democrats dominated the black and Latino vote.

Posted by: George in SC at November 7, 2012 2:54 PM
Comment #356769

Schadenfreude anyone? Listened to a few minutes of Rush Limbaugh today. Really funny. I was literally laughing out loud. He’s trying to explain to a bunch of shocked conservatives who live in an echo chamber how everything they were told turned out to be wrong, dead wrong- at least, given what just happened in reality- yet, they couldn’t be wrong. They just couldn’t! And yet, there it is! But it couldn’t be! Yet it is!!!

Posted by: phx8 at November 7, 2012 3:01 PM
Comment #356771

Ducker wrote; “…the Republicans are officially on notice to work with the president or face defeat in 2014 and beyond.”

Is that really how you read the victory for Reps in the house. Please explain.

I believe the Reps in the house will remain united against more liberalism and if the president wants a positive legacy he must find a way to work with them. How can anyone believe that voters elected house Republicans to enact liberal policy?

I don’t recall reading in the history books of individual congress persons leaving a national legacy on policy position and success…do you? Administrations are judged by historians on what they achieve and not by what they could have achieved if someone had not obstructed them.

A successful president gets things done for the country despite the difficulties. Is obama up to that?

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 7, 2012 3:09 PM
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Media Matters brings us The Romney “Landslide” That Wasn’t:

• Dick Morris: “Prediction: Romney 325, Obama 213”

• Glenn Beck: “321-217 victory for Romney in the electoral college.”

• Rush Limbaugh: “Everything — Except the Polls — Points to a Romney Landslide”

• Michael Barone: “Romney Beats Obama, Handily”

• George Will: Romney 321, Obama 217

• Newsmax: “Expect a Mitt Romney Landslide”

• Larry Kudlow: “I am now predicting a 330 vote electoral landslide.”

I like this:

What was so unusual was there was no polling data to support the idea of a Romney Landslide. None. Zero. It did not exist. Instead, this was a school of conservative pundits incapable of imaging the president being re-elected, and incapable of imaging Obama not losing in a humiliating electoral rout.

It taken on faith that Republicans outnumbered Democrats greatly and any poll showing otherwise was skewed. Sad. I’d feel bad if folks like Frank weren’t such trolls about the election for the last two months.

Posted by: Adam Ducker at November 7, 2012 3:10 PM
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If you read my comment, you will realize that I never said anything about me repenting, but I will allow others to know that this option of repenting is available to them, and they will live forever.

I am perfectly sane, and perfectly honest, and I know the truth, and I know that I will die soon, and I have already explained that I am a sinner, and so I do not have to go into details as it is in my other comment.

I have said that I am a sinner than that I would like to afford to a Harem.

I thought that if anyone was ‘Liberal’ and ‘Understanding’ and very ‘Non Judgmental’, then you would understand these things, and as human beings we should look out for each other, and help our fellow human beings, which will help to save this Planet.

I know that Many People will soon be bird food, and if they wish to escape God’s Judgment they will have to study the Bible, and then Repent, and have faith in Jesus and serve God.

Posted by: Election at November 7, 2012 3:20 PM
Comment #356778

Here a rich, rich quote from Mr. Unskewed Polls, Dean Chambers:

Some on the far left like to repeat the rumor, quite false, that Rasmussen is biased towards Republicans, a smear that has been repeated numerous times by Nate Silver of the New York Times political blog fivethirtyeight.com. This is simply one of many such tinfoil hat conspiracy theories of the extreme left and it simply is not true.

In the end he even called Rasmussen skewed by +3% Democrat. and the average skew he found in polls was +3.6%. That’s exactly in inline with exit polls that found nearly +4 Democrat nationwide. The irony here is rich. The polls were spot on in many cases. This means he missed by about as much as he felt the poll was skewed. Dean Chambers is an integral part of the alternate polling reality that plagued the right in this election. Though he’s a source of hilarity for me, I’m hoping this is the last we hear of this guy.

Posted by: Adam Ducker at November 7, 2012 4:00 PM
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Adam,
It will be interesting to see how the right wingers come to deal with this situation. For those who never ventured out of the right wing bubble, that bubble suddenly popped, and reality intruded. Everything they were told turned out to be wrong. Completely, totally wrong. But why?

It’s almost worse for those who ventured out of the right wing echo chamber. Not only were they wrong, but everything the liberals said was correct, spot on. And much of it is out there in writing or on video for all to see.

Some of the more astute and less doctrinaire Republicans have already observed the obvious: the electoral map is changing to increasingly favor the Democrats; there is a demographic time-bomb driving that change; and the GOP had better find a way to adjust.

As one wit put it, ‘the Republicans waged a war on women, and the Republicans just lost.’

We’ll see. Some on the far right might console themselves that they didn’t lose many seats in the House, and ignore the fact that some of the ones who lost were the most conservative ones.

Well, there’s many a slip twixt the cup and the lip, but if the economy improves as much as most economists predict, and if the Democratic bench remains this strong, and the GOP bench this weak, the prospects for Democratics look rosy today indeed.

Posted by: phx8 at November 7, 2012 4:14 PM
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Another prediction, as long as I’m feeling like my prediction of 332 in the electoral college & 54 Senate votes proves my Jedi-like powers…

The GOP will rue the day they blocked Elizabeth Warren from the Consumer Financial Protection board. The GOP did that at the bidding of Wall Street. Now Warren is a Senator- a highly intelligent, capable, and experienced official who is now a Senator- and both the financial sector and the GOP will find it increasingly hard to stop her from acting in the interests of the American people.

Posted by: phx8 at November 7, 2012 4:18 PM
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Phx8: “The GOP will rue the day they blocked Elizabeth Warren from the Consumer Financial Protection board.”

I love that woman. I’m a bit of a softy anyway but I don’t mind saying I teared up a little when I heard Warren exclaim:

No, Governor Romney, corporations are not people. People have hearts, they have kids, they get jobs, they get sick, they cry, they dance. They live, they love, and they die. And that matters.

And that matters.

Posted by: Adam Ducker at November 7, 2012 4:24 PM
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Believe it or not, Phx8, but I was having similar thoughts last night. It is true…….paybacks are a bitch!

Posted by: jane doe at November 7, 2012 4:33 PM
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Maybe I was too hard on the guy after all:

‘Unskewed’ Pollster: ‘Nate Silver Was Right, And I Was Wrong’

I give him a lot more respect for admitting he was mistaken in his judgement. But to my defense, literally thousands of people tried to tell him.

Posted by: Adam Ducker at November 7, 2012 8:35 PM
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Ta-Nehisi’s Headline on the matter is brilliant: Hippies Wander Into the Lions’ Den, Maul Lions

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 8, 2012 6:56 AM
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Adam, good post on Warren. She is one sharp woman. Loved the questions she posed to shyster bank heads and was looking forward to her appointment to the protection board. She will be able to carry her fight to them from a much more powerful position now.

To the rest of you slobbering, neck nuzzlers…how long is it going to take you to realize that there is really nothing new to look forward to unless both sides turn toward the center? The votes were all but split right down the middle; control of House and Senate remain unchanged.

Not sure how Jane Doe thinks this “payback” thing is going to work. She might have to turn elsewhere to get her jollies.

Posted by: John Johnson at November 8, 2012 7:36 AM
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John Johnson: “…there is really nothing new to look forward to unless both sides turn toward the center?”

When Obama won office in 2008 there was a clear mandate for Democrats to lead America. That’s why Obama said things like, “I won.” The right was terribly, terribly offended by this, but it was true. Now in 2012? Not so much.

But President Obama has been living for two years in an America that wants divided government. The Republicans just assumed Obama was a blip and they’d correct that two days ago and go back to one party rule like they’d prefer. That blew up in their faces.

I’m hoping now that the GOP Congress has failed in it’s primary goal to prevent the re-election of Obama it will come around to realizing it will take more than a golf game to get the two sides working. President Obama has the capacity to compromise like Clinton did but it will take concessions from the right and not just pretend concessions.

I think the fact that Obama faces no other election and the Congress’ clock starts now for 2014, will be a big factor in how Congress behaves. We can assume the worst which does us no good or we can be cautiously optimistic. We won’t know until the process starts of how divided and stubborn the two sides will be. We’ll know soon enough.

Posted by: Adam Ducker at November 8, 2012 8:39 AM
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Adam, becoming cautiously optimistic will not change the behavior of Congress,IMHO. What all of us, we the people, need to insist upon is the legitimate media’s spotlight to be firmly fixed upon congressional leaders in particular and congress in general.

The past two years has seen the conservative media’s attack on the administrative branch allowing Boehner, Cantor, Ryan and such to obstruct progress. Put them in the spotlight and under the microscope. Let the American people see the filibuster in action, the super majority vote to end cloture. Time to enforce the filibuster process, make them do the work not just talk the talk.

Posted by: j2t2 at November 8, 2012 9:52 AM
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So what does a billion dollars in SuperPAC misinformation half truths and outright lies supporting a failed extremist ideology buy?

Answer A, Nothing they already owned these guys.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83447.html

Answer B, Palin being perplexed

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/07/sarah-palin-on-obama-victory-2012_n_2087795.html

Or
Answer C, A few billionaires a little less well off.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83534.html

Posted by: j2t2 at November 8, 2012 10:43 AM
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How about Answer D, A FAux news meltdown on election night. (Although it wasn’t my money I do appreciate this one more than the others.)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/08/jon-stewart-fox-news-election-meltdown-video_n_2092224.html

Posted by: j2t2 at November 8, 2012 10:48 AM
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Adam….stall tactics have been used by both sides. Reid never brought a budget to the Repubs because he knew it would not pass. He knew that even some of his own Dem’s would vote against it. It was easier to just not submit one and continue spending as they wanted.

Posted by: John Johnson at November 8, 2012 1:39 PM
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John, of course you are correct. The dems can’t even pass a budget, much less balance one, as the liberal clown Daugherty suggested in another post.

The 2012 election merely demonstrated the desire of the American people for status quo. Voters don’t want more spending and don’t want cuts in spending. Go figure.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 8, 2012 3:52 PM
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There is no way to logically slice this election in anyway other than a solid victory for the Democratic Party and Barack Obama. Tea Party candidates got trounced in the Senate is a repudiation of their extreme vision for America. What I don’t think this election was is a mandate for liberalism. 48% of the country voted against the president and in 4 years they only need to convince 2% or so to switch their votes and we will see a reversal. Romney was Was a weak candidate from an even weaker field of contenders, he was only kept afloat by the billion dollars behind him. But the big mistake that it seems every candidate makes after they win is that they see it as a personal mandate to do was they like. George Bush squeaked out the 2004 election and said that it gave him a mandate and he left office with 20% approval. From all of his statements it doesn’t appear that he is letting re-election go to his head and would like to have 4 productive years, I hope this holds up. I am less optimistic about the other side.The GOP is talking like the reason they lost was because Romney wasn’t conservative enough. That had nothing to do with it. The GOP hit their turnout numbers, they lost to changing demographics and mistook their hatred of the president for something everyone was feeling. Most Americans like Obama and don’t see him as the anti-Christ as some on the right do. They don’t all agree with all of his policies and don’t want 4 years of hard left rule anymore than they wanted the Tea Party platform. The 2010 election was horribly misread by the Tea Party as a mandate for their point of view and not a frustration with the slow pace of economic recovery. 2012 demonstrated that. Though Joe Biden is already talking mandate so we’ll see how that goes …

Obama has the opportunity to be for the Democrats what Reagan is for Republicans, a transformational, great president. He has the economy on the mend and has ended one war and is ending another. He passed health care reform. He will nominate at least 2 Supreme Court justices maybe more. If he is smart an measured in his 2nd term he will set the table for another democratic president. In 8 years there will be a huge shift in the Supreme Court and this could shift the balance of the court back to being more liberal. Plus setting a legislative trajectory that will be hard to undo for some time. Especially if he can shift us from the disastrous supply-side economics that has been sapping our middle class since the 1980s. If the economy is in good shape at the end of the next 4 years then Hillary Clinton could seal the deal for Obama’s legacy.

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