20 Days Until Election, President Obama Struggling To Catch Up After First Debate
With just 20 days to go and just a few hours before another debate, Obama has still not caught up in the polls. The Obama camp needs a game changer as time is running out.
Since the VP debate Obama has grown his support by nearly 1 percentage point but he still sits 0.4% behind Mitt Romney today. Biden offended many on the right with his antics and this is a good sign that he won the debate. Most would agree it was at least a draw and it appears to have helped Obama in the polls.
To pass Romney again Obama has no choice but to excel in this second debate. He can't just break even. He has to call Romney out every time and stab holes in the Romney/Ryan attacks on Obama policies. He has to hammer Romney on the 47% comments, on his faulty math tax plan, and his vulture capitalism.
I don't know how good Romney does in town hall debates but I know Obama has typically done better in this format than the other format. The right is kidding itself if they think the Obama from the last debate reflects the "true Obama" somehow and that we're only now, after five years and a dozen debates, seeing through the man.
I hope Obama's team has been reading their George Lakoff in the debate prep. A lot is said of body language and tone in the debate but what will make or break Obama is if Romney is allowed to frame each topic tonight. Obama has to re-frame and turn it all around.
A strong first debate energized Republicans and depressed Democrats but nothing has changed but opinions. If Romney falters tonight it can have the opposite affect. I'm looking forward to watching how it goes.
Posted by Adam Ducker at October 16, 2012 5:07 PM
Well Adam, of course you are correct. Both candidates have a great deal on the line tonight. I expect both to do well and don’t expect to see either emerge as a big winner over the other.
Adam writes; “He has to call Romney out every time and stab holes in the Romney/Ryan attacks on Obama policies.”
That’s a tall order Adam. obama is wide open for honest attack on his policies. Lies won’t work for either Romney or obama and the truth is not in obama’s favor.
Game changer? No, Obama needs to confront Romney’s lies. That’s all Romney’s “advantage” is based on. He was able to convince people for a few moments that his policies might not be that bad.
But you know what? He’s fast talking them. He only gets a net neutral “tax reform” if growth occurs at incredible rates, and he can find enough tax breaks (which he can’t, according to most economists) to make up for the loss of revenue.
I mean, that’s what screwed up! He starts out a supposedly superior fiscal policy with a rate cut for income taxes, a known net loser for revenue. Just look at the dive revenue took after 2001, and you’ll see the trouble with that.
What’s even more asinine is his claims about his jobs policies. He’s taking incompatible studies, and trying to claim Obama Administration policy results for his own.
He’s a fast talker, and the President needs to expose him as such.
I think the Republicans are letting a few favorable newscycles get to their head, and I think Democrats need to step away from the ledge. Romney is the ultimate in self-destructing politicians. He can’t help himself. Maybe he can’t remember what he said yesterday.
But even if he wasn’t, Republicans have boxed themselves in on policy. They’ve laid claim to policies they shouldn’t, that will put a drag on their chances for victory.
Romney cannot stand up to being put to the test. That’s why we don’t get full disclosure on his taxes, or on his policies. He knows he can’t sell himself honestly. Obama, like him or dislike him, tells you things straight. In six months, if Romney wins, people will wish Obama had. They will miss a person who levels with them.
Republicans call Obama an empty suit, but then they turn around and nominate an empty suit that doesn’t even stay the same color or match between his parts.
I guess you can tell what Republicans are going to argue by what they project onto Democrats.
Royal Flush: “Obama is wide open for honest attack on his policies.”
I keep waiting for them. Instead we get things like Obama has gutted medicare, doubled the deficit, and failed to keep unemployment below the promised magic 8% level.
They can’t defend their own policies on the record, nor can they attack Obama’s on it. So they make **** up, on both sides. Romney’s jobs policy depends on Obama energy policy, and he’s compressing the time scale, and then he assumes full employment on some of those number.
Romney is not going to tell you the truth, because the truth can’t sell his presidency. Now if he was a more competent candidate, he might stick to one lie, and sell it, but instead he bounces around like a cartoon character.
“Romney is not going to tell you the truth, because the truth can’t sell his presidency. Now if he was a more competent candidate, he might stick to one lie, and sell it, but instead he bounces around like a cartoon character.”
Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at October 16, 2012 8:47 PM
Stephen, are you talking about Obama? It sure sounds like Obama.
Obama is a lying piece of shit. If he opens his mouth, he’s lying. If his lips are moving, he’s lying. This is about a man, Obama, who will say anything to get reelected and does’nt believe or practice anything he’s saying.
Romney looked like a clown tonight on the subject of when Obama labeled Libya a terrorist attack. Romney was so certain he was right that he seemed floored to be shown wrong on a national stage. Good stuff.
My guess is George thinks Romney lost tonight.
Mitt Romney came off as total d*ck during the debate. Too aggressive and seemed cocky. When you question the president on national TV and demand an answer, you better know that answer before you ask it.
Then why did Obama try to evade the answer, Tom???
Too bad your comment applies better to Romney.
I can document dozens of dishonesties. Politicians tend to lie, even Obama at times (we’re all adults here, aren’t we?) but you know what? Romney doesn’t even keep track of where he was last week. Or yesterday. He just deathblossoms lies. (Eighties movie reference).
He can’t compete with a President who is well-informed, who can drill down into the actual facts and keep his answers straight from one event to another.
He also can’t keep other facts straight, and the President stomped him repeatedly.
CNN poll … Obama wins debate. That is good news for you, Stephen. The bad news … most of those same people scored Romney better at curing what ails us. I could add my own thoughts, but I will just let the CNN figures speak for for me.
He didn’t. He stated quite plainly that he would revoke leases for those sitting on those leases and doing nothing with them. Also, the SOB kept on interrupt him. What was the President supposed to do, grab him by the mouth and go Samuel L. Jackson on him?
The CNN poll was of undecideds, who, regardless of who they think might help them, swung towards Obama.
Stephen; it will be documented all over the news today that Obama flat out lied on several important points.
Adam Ducker; You jump too fast to defend Obama on the Libya terrorist attack. He did not say Libya was a terrorist attack in the Rose Garden and even though Candy tried to defend him, she later admitted she was wrong:
I love watching you libs try to defend Obama. It is in the little bubble world of the socialist that these things happen. In the real world, Romney is ahead in the polls and climbing. The snap polls show Romney won, but in the little bubble of the socialist, the snap polls only mean something if Obama is ahead. Otherwise, they don’t count.
You need to watch Frank Luntz focus groups of undecideds, most of whom voted for Obama, and you will see a large shift toward Romney:
Candy Crowley was in the tank for Obama and it was blatently seen as she tried to cover his ass. The left will spin this one, but Romney is going to slay Obama in 3 weeks.
Guess I have to go back to using George in SC…
I watched some of the debate but honestly it didn’t hold my attention as much this time. Maybe it was the format and maybe it was covering much of the same information as the last debate. Just some observations.
Obama showed up last night and that’s what he needed to do. Based on just showing interest in the debate Chris Matthews declared him the winner of everything and that’s a 180 from his (and other liberal commentators) reaction on the first debate.
I think the key for Romney is that he continues to “look Presidential.” He’s not the monster that he has been portrayed as over the past few months.
One interesting observation is from my daughter. She doesn’t like Romney at all because of the alleged bullying incident he had in his youth and she was completely turned off when he pushed back on the moderator. That’s not even on my politicl radar but for her it is the very reason she will vote for Obama.
For me I will probably still vote third party. I can’t think of a single reason to vote for Obama. The only reason to vote for Romney is that he might ommit the Republicans to the reforms they generally give lip service to, and so far I have not seen a strong enough reform platform from him to think he will. We need a turn around CEO and not another General Manager.
Stephen, Romney asked a specific question which Obama kept skerting. Now I know where you get it from when asked a specific question and go off on a tangent avoiding the question. Is this a Democrat trait? Avoiding specific answers to specific questions? Why didn’t he just answer Romney with the truth instead of going off on a tangent? The facts came out later that Obama’s approval of leases for drilling on Federal lands and water are down over 50%.
George, your daughter would not vote for Romney even if O came out and said he was a wife beating, dope smoking, communist sympathizer. O made a rude comment to Leher… “I would have had five more minutes if you hadn’t interrupted me”, and he basically said te same thing to Crowley last night. Does she just block out what O says that she doesn’t want to hear? She’s not alone. Stephen does it. He has it down to an art form.
“Obama, like him or dislike him, tells you things straight.”
Really Stephen? He was absolutely lying about the Libyan murders. Romney hit obama over the head with his own record for the past four years. obama squirmed and wriggled, but he couldn’t explain why he has failed to deliver on his 2008 promises.
John Johnson: “O made a rude comment to LeherL…’I would have had five more minutes if you hadn’t interrupted me’ …”
Obama simply said, “I had five seconds before you interrupted me…” and he said it with a smile. You have to shift the language to make it sound more rude than it was.
Royal Flush: “He was absolutely lying about the Libyan murders.”
What did he say and how was it not true?
Adam, Maybe not lie straiught out but flip flop on who and what was going on. ie The View, Lettrerman, the U.N., Jay Carney, Rice just to name a few. If he said it was an act of terror in the Rose Garden speach why didn’t he stay with that statement?
By the way Adam all the BS that went on during the weeks that it was a terror attack was spontaneous, sounded more like he was trying to find a way to cover his own A** so he let Hillary take the bullet then in the debate he takes responsibility. Or did he????
KAP: “If he said it was an act of terror in the Rose Garden speach why didn’t he stay with that statement?”
I think because it became clear right away there was a lot of questions to be asked so they stopped labeling it one way or another. They had said it was spontaneous but it became clear soon that that was no correct. It wasn’t a flip flop. They never said it wasn’t a terrorist attack after saying it was, they simply stopped labeling it completely and only for 9 days did they do that.
“…so he let Hillary take the bullet…”
Both were right. Clinton was not saying Obama had no responsibility at all for the deaths but that in the case of security requests it was not Obama’s responsibility to see those and they would almost never cross his or Biden’s desk. She was responding to the partisan attack that suggests that perhaps Obama himself knew of the request and denied it. There is also the idea that the security they requested but was denied that would have helped them almost certainly would not have made a difference compared to the firepower the militant group used.
Adfam, BULLS**T. The video wasw a scape goat for Obama’s incompetance. Hillary took the bullet for her boss who was supposed take it.
You don’t have evidence for your view and what evidence there is goes contrary to your view, and yet your repetition and passion for your view has failed to convince me. So now you’re swearing at me? Come on. I haven’t had a real strong opinion of this until lately but what I’m seeing and what you’re saying tells me you’re completely wrong. We won’t know for sure until stronger reporting is made public though and who knows how long that will take.
Adam, You and Stephen wouldn’t be convinced if it smacked you up side the head. Even the Libyan President stated it wasa terrorist attack the day after it happened.
KAP: “Adam, You and Stephen wouldn’t be convinced if it smacked you up side the head.”
Sorry, you’ve presented no facts while refusing to acknowledge mine, and then you get upset when I don’t change my mind? It’s my fault, not yours, because I’d never be convinced anyway? I’m just looking for facts. You have a strong opinion of this for being so weak on the facts.
“Even the Libyan President stated it wasa terrorist attack the day after it happened.”
And that implies what? Obama said it the morning after. You just refuse to accept that.
My son asked me just a few days ago; why does president Obama have such a hard time calling Muslim extremist a Terrorist? And why is it so easy for the president to flat out lie to the American people?
My answer to him was, “it’s simple, his Muslim roots will not allow him to condemn Muslim terrorists”. He can look at the American people and lie because the Koran says it is not a sin to lie to an infidel (any person who is not a Muslim). The ironic thing is that after the attacks of 911, and the deaths of 3k+ people, the Americans voted a Muslim into the WH.
With all due respect, why do you lie to your son? The president is not a Muslim and the Koran is not his life guide.
You know what Adam, I’m a simple coal miner out of West Virginia. And I’ve always heard, “if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it must be a duck”. President Obama has never shown me anything other than he is simpathetic to Muslims. He bows to them, he will not mention them as terrorist, he will not wear an American flag on his lapel, he refuses to place his hand over his heart during the pledge of allegence, and the American anthem; what am I to think? He has a war against Christianity. His war is on coal miners and all fossil fuels producers. His goal is to place as much of America on foodstamps and welfare as possible. He believes America is responsible for the ailments of the world. His ancestors were communists. Thirty years ago, this man would have been laughed out of Washington. I will tell you something; I know a lot of people who voted for him, but will not vote for him this time. I didn’t vote for him. I know how he feels about those of us who believe in the right to bear arms and hold to religious values. He told the coal miners what he was going to do to them, but no, our idiotic union leaders had to vote for this scum bag. And by golly, we’re on the outside of the mines looking in now. The American people were duped and they will wake up or watch the country go down the crapper. You guys can defend him all you want, but out here in real America, we have no use for the SOB.
George, why don’t you tell us how you really feel?
Nearly everything you list as President Obama’s faults are simply not true.
Well Adam Ducker, I guess that’s a matter of opinion. You have yours and I have mine. All I can say is,it will be a cold day in hell when that SOB gets West Virginia’s vote. And I might remind you, we have always supported the unions and Democrats, but this guy is trying to destroy us.
If you want to honestly be informed I hope you’ll take a moment and research the things you accuse Obama of and see how much truth you can find in them. There are few conservatives on this site that will agree with you and for good reason. You may be just a hick from West Virginia but I’m just a hick from the Ozark Mountains in Arkansas and that doesn’t give either of us an out when it comes to stating the facts.
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