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Even some conservatives cast doubt on the idea that Reagan came from behind as late in the game as Romney supporters would have it./

Quote from “Bloomberg News” dated 8/23/12…

“American incomes declined more in the three-year expansion that started in June 2009 than during the longest recession since the Great Depression, according an analysis of U.S. Census Bureau data by Sentier Research LLC.

Median household income fell 4.8 percent on an inflation- adjusted basis since the recession ended in June 2009, more than the 2.6 percent drop during the 18-month contraction, the research firm’s Gordon Green and John Coder wrote in a report today. Household income is 7.2 percent below the December 2007 level, the former Census Bureau economic statisticians wrote.

“Almost every group is worse off than it was three years ago, and some groups had very large declines in income,” Green, who previously directed work on the Census Bureau’s income and poverty statistics program, said in a phone interview today. “We’re in an unprecedented period of economic stagnation.”

Americans are worse off, from an income standpoint, than they were four years ago. People do vote pocketbook issues and this surely is one.

Americans are worse off in the price they pay for energy, food, clothing, and many other necessities.

Americans are worse off considering our national debt which reached $16 trillion today. Every living American, and all future Americans share in this debt. Does having ever increasing national debt make Americans better off?

I have written before, and still believe, that this country is poised to enjoy a period of prosperity. There is huge pent-up demand in everything from autos to housing. And, there are trillions of dollars sitting on the sidelines waiting to be invested which will jump-start the jobs market. However, until we elect a president and congress that restores confidence in our people this will not happen.

Who believes that another obama term will instill confidence? What evidence could one present to back up such a contention? obama himself is clever by stating that he would give his first administration a grade of “incomplete.” One can hope that whatever his plans for “completion” might be, they will never see the light of day.

“The right sure is excited about the 2012 election. You’d think their guy was pulling way ahead by the sounds of it. Romney’s convention bounce only brought the candidate even with President Obama though. What happens after the bounce fades?

So far Romney has only been able to ever catch President Obama, not to pass him completely. Those hoping for a Reagan-Carter style defeat will probably be disappointed. If Obama wins or loses it will be by a couple of percentage points…”

The right is excited, and the left is not. Romney/Ryan is climbing in the polls and Obama is dropping. Obama has never reached that magical 50% in the polls and now he has dropped to the mid-forties. Forties won’t win. I project Obama gets no bounce out of the DNC convention and I will tell you why; the DNC convention will be the most negative, personal attack, and hateful convention ever, and the American people will turn it off. I have said this before, but I predict a Reagan style clean sweep for Romney/Ryan. Romney appeals to moderates and those looking for someone with business experience to get the economy going and Ryan appeals to the TP conservatives who want taxes and government cut. The best of two worlds.

“Bless their hearts. They just want so bad for this to be Reagan-Carter.”

And the Obama people are trying to make it a Clinton election.

But bless the Dems hearts, instead of running against Romney/Ryan; the left wants to run against Bush/Chaney.

“The right answer is a big problem for the GOP so they must attack it from both directions and squash the truth in the middle of their big lies. They’ll lie and tell you things weren’t as bad as it seemed when Obama took office and now things are worse than we say.”

Let’s see what the dem convention is about; my guess is it will be a blame Bush and personally attack Romney/Ryan week to remember. I also bet the Dem convention viewership will be way down.

“The economy is not rolling over as promised, the housing market is bottoming out and beginning to rebound, and state and local governments are laying off fewer people every month. The right knows that the economy is primed for a stronger recovery in 2013 and they hope and pray that they can stop the denial and have a Republican in place to take the credit for it.”

It is private sector jobs that will save the economy, not “laying off fewer state and local government jobs”. In case you have not noticed, states and local governments are still faltering from lack of funds. Cities are still declaring bankruptcy. Do you honestly think we have seen the end of state and local job cuts? I don’t think so.

“It sure would be sad to see the GOP have to lie about the economy for four more whole years.”

No, what is going to be sad is the wailing and crying from the left when Obama loses this election. It will be a travesty of Biblical proportion. There will be “wailing and gnashing of teeth”.

Stephen, what does it matter what conservatives thought of Reagan’s come from behind election? There are people who will be shocked at Romney’s win in November and call it a come from behind win. I am a conservative and I will not be shocked and neither will many other conservatives. Obama has a tied mid-40’s polls with Romney. There are approximately 10% who are undecided or so the polls show. Do you honestly believe there are 10% of the voters who are undecided? I don’t believe it. I believe most people have made up their minds, and I believe most of them are voting for Romney. The left has made it clear for the past 4 years that anyone who is against Obama is a racist. There are 10% of the voters, who when asked who they will vote for, are NOT going to say Romney, even if they will vote for him, simply because they don’t want to be the called a racist for not voting for the black guy. But when they are in the voting booth, and by themselves; they will pull the lever for Romney. Dick Morris brought this very hypothetical out months ago, and I agree with him. If anyone says they are undecided, it means they are leaning Romney; if they were leaning Obama, they would say they are voting for Obama. The left can always be counted on for being ideologues and will proudly and loudly proclaim their support of the liberal socialist. The undecided, on the other hand, are not ideologues, and will vote to save the country. Obama‘s failures have clearly not shown any ability to save the country.

I visited the link SD provided above which is called…”Hot Air.” Wow…what a catchy title, one that I would have thought Daugherty would avoid.

After reading the article he linked to I was intrigued enough to wander around the site. I found the following tidbit which I felt should be shared with the group.

“1,211 adults were interviewed statewide 08/31/12, after Romney, Florida’s Marco Rubio and Clint Eastwood spoke to the convention 08/30/12. Of the adults, 1,100 were registered to vote in Florida. Of the registered voters, 754 heard the convention speeches. Of the convention speech watchers:

* 66% did not change their mind.
* 16% switched from “undecided” to Romney.
* 6% switched from Obama to Romney.
* Adding those 2 together, that’s 22% who switched TO Romney.
* 10% switched from “undecided” to Obama.
* 2% switched from Romney to Obama.
* Adding those 2 together, that’s 12% who switched TO Obama.
* Comparing the 2 aggregate numbers: 22% switched TO Romney, 12% switched TO Obama.”

Only Hard line Democrats believe Obama is doing a good job or those that are brain washed. I still say Democrats should have run Hillary at least she had experience at her side. But NOOOOOO they had to run inexperience another Jimmy Carter.

Royal Flush, I’m going out on a real limb here, because I expect to be severely attacked from the left; but Rush Limbaugh stated 4 years ago when Obama won, that companies would sit on their money. They would not invest, they would not expand, and that they would place their money in protected accounts. Whether overseas or not. If no one believes me, just check Rush Limbaugh’s archives. The reason (and I quote from Limbaugh) is uncertainty; uncertainty about how Obama will attack corporations, how obamacare will affect company funds, and uncertainty about taxes. Royal, you are absolutely correct; there is money and companies want to invest and take off. We are on the verge of an economic explosion, but it will never happen as long as the tax and spend democrats are in control. There are things I would like to purchase, but I told my wife, we will sit tight until after the election. There are many people like me. Obama and the left know this is true; this is why they have attacked corporations for keeping their profits overseas, and it is why some have even asked for a tax free amnesty for corporations who will bring their money back into the US. Romney will open the oil, coal, and gas fields and the explosion will begin. If Obama wins another 4 years, nothing will get better, and everything will only get worse.

I’m going to go out on another limb; since the name Clinto came up. I too believe she would have been a much better candidate, in the sense of having a chance to win. I believe the Obama people tried to get her to run, but she refused. She does not want to be connected with Obama’s ailed presidency, because she has eyes on 2016. If she ran with Obama this year and lost, it would hurt her; if she ran with Obama and won, another 4 years of Obama would absolutely kill her chances in 2016. She wills stay as far away from the DNC convention as possible. Bill Clinton, on the other hand will speak at the convention and he will speak of his successful years as president. Clinton is a narcissist and only speaks of Clinton; he can’t help but toot his own horn. Has anyone seen his Obama commercial; he ends up talking about when he was president? The stage is being set; the Clintons will work behind the scenes to out Obama, and Hillary will have a clean election in 2016. This would be the greatest legacy Bill Clinton could ever hope for; his wife to also be elected as the first woman president. Don’t doubt me on this.

One more thought; I have seen Lanny Davis (great Clinton supporter) running the news circuits. While he outwardly supports the Obama campaign; he also states his disagreements with Obama on many things. Setting the stage for Hillary. You can tell his support for Obama is simply party allegiance.

Gallup Poll Shows No Romney Bounce From Republican Convention

All people are talking about is Clint talking to an empty chair. :^)

Frank, don’t worry about that limb you are sitting on. The dem/libs on this site can’t destroy your position because it is true.

A sitting president, this late in the campaign, polling under 50% is a disaster in the making for obama and dems.

What Romney/Ryan propose to do, when elected, will restore confidence and our economy will begin to recover. Like you, my wife and I have been careful spending money as we just don’t know what to expect next from the bunch now controlling government. When government runs up our national debt by over $5 trillion in just four years every thinking person runs for cover. We have found safe havens for the savings we have since, at my age 71, we can’t take many financial risks with our retirement nest egg.

Dough-boy and his lib friends have told us that because most Americans think like you and I do, and don’t spend as much as we would like to, or can afford to, that government must do the spending for us.

The problem with that kind of thinking is that the spending that we would normally do would not be on credit, but from savings and current earnings. Government spending at current levels is mostly on credit. While they don’t see the difference, most Americans do.

It would not be unreasonable to expect obama and congress, should they win, to spend another $5 trillion on credit in the next four years. I suppose then, instead of rating his last four years as “incomplete” like his first four, he would give himself an “A+”.

Here’s real poll; not registered voters, but likely voters:

“A majority of voters believe the country is worse off today than it was four years ago and that President Obama does not deserve reelection, according to a new poll for The Hill.

Fifty-two percent of likely voters say the nation is in “worse condition” now than in September 2008, while 54 percent say Obama does not deserve reelection based solely on his job performance.

Only 31 percent of voters believe the nation is in “better condition,” while 15 percent say it is “about the same,” the poll found. Just 40 percent of voters said Obama deserves reelection.”

http://thehill.com/conventions-2012/dem-convention-charlotte/247263-hill-poll-voters-think-second-term-undeserved

Royal Flush:

“Americans are worse off, from an income standpoint, than
they were four years ago. People do vote pocketbook issues and this surely is one.”

I agree they are worse off on that measurement. The chart associated with the article you’re citing does paint a grim picture. Of course the decline is due to the deep recession and bottomed out last year and has been growing this year. What could Obama have done to fix that?

“Americans are worse off in the price they pay for energy, food, clothing, and many other necessities.”

Energy was artificially low four years ago. No President would have kept those prices the same. From a consumer standpoint though inflation has been very low and below average.

“Americans are worse off considering our national debt which reached $16 trillion today. Every living American, and all future Americans share in this debt. Does having ever increasing national debt make Americans better off?”

Yes, a debt driven largely by Republican policies that Obama is powerless to avoid. Had Obama cut spending the way the right wanted it would not have impacted the debt to any large degree and we really would be in a Carter style mess right now.

There are ways Americans won’t be better off for many many years thanks to the recession. There are millions of Americans hurting in this economy. I don’t deny that. But the overall state of the economy and it’s trajectory show a better America today than when Obama took office.

Businesses aren’t waiting for a new president. They’re waiting on customers to come back. Customers will come back whether Obama loses or not because of the policies of the past four years to steer us through this recession.

Royal Flush-
Confidence isn’t the problem. The money sitting on the sidelines is in the hands of those who could spend it if they wanted to. What they don’t have is customers. However, you don’t get customers if the customers don’t have jobs, and it doesn’t make sense to hire people if there aren’t customers.

You’ll find almost no-one laying off people on account of the regulatory burden. You’re trying to lift the entire economy with the spending of a minority of the American population.

The only confidence Romney has to offer is that of a confidence man, the appeal to greed without any clear explanation of how policies nearly identical to George Bush’s will result in not at all indentical results.

Frank-
I think it would be safe to employ Poe’s Law here: “Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of fundamentalism that someone won’t mistake for the real thing.”

Your predictions remind me of the Superfans from SNL. As far as our convention goes? I doubt we’ll be as negative as you’d like us to be.

I think I’m going to stop here and tell you that Romney’s post convention bounce on the latest CNN poll was just a single point

According to the survey, Romney gained seven points among higher-income Americans, but he lost four points among lower-income voters, among whom Obama now has a 15-point lead. That income difference may explain why Romney gained ground among urban and suburban voters, but lost support among voters in rural areas.

The poll indicates Romney may have picked up support among men, but there was no change at all among women, keeping in place a double-digit gender gap. And there’s an interesting movement among age groups. Romney gained a bit among younger voters and among senior citizens, but Obama was the big winner among voters between 50 and 64 years old.

“It’s possible that senior citizens who are already on Medicare have accepted the GOP assurances that their benefits will not be affected, but the group of Americans who are approaching retirement - who will be the first ones affected by the GOP-proposed changes in the Medicare system - are getting worried about what’s in store for them,” added Holland.

And now it’s our turn. One interesting result: For all you talk of Democrats turning off voters by being too negative about the Republicans, it turns out that a majority in the poll thought the Republicans were too negative.

Hmm. Why would they think that?

The DNC has 14 identified caucus (special interest) groups and not one of them is simply an American interest group. The dems have splintered some Americans into groups they identify for special consideration by government. Funneling money and privilege to these groups in past years kept them voting for dems.

The problem the dems face is that much of the deficit money spent didn’t reach these groups, but rather, went some place else. In 2008 the dems promised much to these groups and didn’t deliver. Many voters in these groups are disappointed and may very well stay home rather than vote. They know they are not better off and see no reason to be fooled again. This is one reason that obama can’t even reach a 50% support in the polls.

The DNC convention will be filled with promise givers just like last time. And, many will say…I am not swallowing that bullshit this time around.

Royal Flush: “A sitting president, this late in the campaign, polling under 50% is a disaster in the making for obama and dems.”

President Bush has an approval rating under 50% leading up to the election. Obama’s not strong but the rate he’s at doesn’t say much right now other than that I’m sure he wishes he were doing better. Bush had lower approval than disapproval for some weeks before but he was able to pull ahead just slightly for a few weeks before the election. That would be the last time his approval was positive.

If one wishes to retain the votes of the “entitleitis” groups, one must continue to increase their handouts. obama and his congressional supporters forgot this important maxim. They didn’t forget to shovel the borrowed money out the door, they just forgot to get it into the right hands. For those living on government handouts, that is THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN.

Not long ago Mr. Daugherty suggested that government should just send money to people. He theorized that this would energize the economy and end our stagnation. Of course, the money would have to be sent to the correct people or group, not just every American. Well…that didn’t happen with obama but they did spend the money with little or no political benefit. Now, it is too late. No more government money is being spent to buy dem votes. The promises and change of four years ago was simply empty rhetoric. Now, the dems will pay a high price for disappointing their voting bloc groups.

Just a passing note.

The party who is vehemently opposed to picture voter ID, must show pix ID to enter the convention. Go figure.

Maranatha

Have the dem/libs forgotten the election just two years ago? They express confidence that Americans have changed their minds about obama and his liberal ways in such a short time. Could any of the dems or libs on this site tell me what great things obama and his dems have done in the past two years that might cause a majority of Americans to vote for them this time?

I just have to wonder at all these people who cite polls saying the President is under 50%. They neglect to say how far under. They neglect to say that their candidate is, at best, dead even.

They neglect to say that those polling numbers don’t reflect the electoral college, and thus, even if they pan out like they’re supposed to, they won’t count half as much as what the majorities are in those states.

You look at the states, and Obama is at or around where he needs to be already. If he hits a home run with this convention, Romney’s goose is cooked.

The Democrats have an advantage: they’re not wrapped up in their own political world to the extent that they can’t judge how their politics will play out there in the wild. Republicans exercise petting zoo politics, where everything is judged by how it plays inside the party, where the members are suggestible, where what they want reigns paramount.

We have another advantage: we have achievements, things we’ve actually done for the last four years, rather than just get in the way of our rivals. We have something more than just our opposition to Romney to stand for. We have actual ideas to stand for. We represent the potential for actual change, not simply the backsliding into what we had to recover from.

We have both a postive and a negative side to our campaign, and we can be specific about our plans, because we have less to fear about people considering those plans radical.

We’ve done plenty in the last four years to fight for something beyond just handouts, or worse, deprivation. We’ve fought for a renewal. What has the Republican Party actually fought FOR these last four years, other than the Bush Status Quo?

Just watched a video that was played at the DNC that said “The government is the only thing we all belong to.”
How many liberals agree with this statement?

Forgot the source.

http://michellemalkin.com/2012/09/04/creepy-video-dnc-propaganda-clip-asserts-that-we-all-belong-to-government/

SD writes; “We have something more than just our opposition to Romney to stand for. We have actual ideas to stand for. We represent the potential for actual change…” and…”We’ve fought for a renewal.

Hmmm…”ideas” and “change”…what’s new?

“Renewal”…of what?

Could Stephen be just a little more vague?

If one wishes to retain the votes of the “entitleitis” groups, one must continue to increase their handouts. Obama and his congressional supporters forgot this important maxim. They didn’t forget to shovel the borrowed money out the door, they just forgot to get it into the right hands. For those living on government handouts, that is THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN.

In other words, you meant to say that Obama isn’t into giving in to the wealthy who are really the elitist and therefore the the “entitleitis” of our country. Seems to me that means you believe the middle-class and the poor should continue to support to the rich. I just want to know why? It’s not as if the rich need the help…

Glad that Democrats think they are doing so well.

I suggest that Obama is so far ahead and Republicans are so disorganized that Democrats need not bother going to the polls. All those Democratic voters who don’t feel like taking the time figure out where the polls are, or don’t want to take the time to leave the bar to go to vote, or just don’t feel like producing an ID for “the man” should just not vote. It doesn’t matter anyway. Obama will win whether or not you cast the vote. After all, he wouldn’t want you all to do anything that smacks of effort. Indeed, please stay home or wherever else you hang out during the day. We will all be happier if you do.

Is it not goverment of the people tdobson?

Julian Castro, mayor of San Antonio just said “May God bless you” in his speech. I bet you Democrats almost lost it. How dare him!

Royal Flush-
Wages. Energy Efficiency and alternatives. American manufacturing and exports. Infrastructure So on and so forth. We can present specifics. Can you?

You want to renew a feeling. We want to renew the substance of this country, not just some warm fuzzies brought on by empty words.

C&J-
Funny, I watched the convention, and nobody was saying to do nothing. As for IDs, measures already in place have served to keep the vote secure.

BZA-
You lost your bet.

Julian Castro, mayor of San Antonio just said “May God bless you” in his speech. I bet you Democrats almost lost it. How dare him!

BZA- You lost your bet.

LOL! Hilarious. The ridiculous right is always trying to project their own small-minded. mean-spirited hangups onto the Left! The fact is, it’s THEY who are incapable of wrapping their minds around any differences people have! Whereas people on the Left fully expect and actually celebrate our differences — and are therefore incredibly comfortable with them.
Indeed, the good-natured inclusion of all kinds of differences on the Left is truly absolute — and this is why our convention actually looks like America at large. And just look at all of us! Aren’t we just so incredibly, fantastically beautiful?!!! Happily rubbing elbows and smiling lovingly and approvingly at each other — knowing damn well that we’re totally where it’s at!
The religious, the non-religous, and those who sit on the fence. The old and the young and the middle aged. The poor, the middle class and the non-exclusive rich. The red/white/black/brown/yellow/and everybody sporting multi-hued haircolors. The straight, the gay, the bi-sexual, and the non-sexual. All are welcome with us — everyone except for the haters. :^)

Haters seem to belong exclusively to the Right.
You know, it’s when I see us (the left) all together at our conventions that I always feel most sorry for the Conservative Republican Right. Sorry for their old-fashioned, cranky, white, narrow-mindedness that has never yet learned how to reach out to the rest of the country. It’s just so obvious that they’re too ideologically rigid and uptight to really, truly understand this country, and as a result, honestly don’t know how to have a good time celebrating what this nation is all about. But they simply can’t — and painfully once again, it shows.

Stephen, since yours is the party of women’s rights (which basically means abortion) when are we going to see women on stage who got knocked up on a date and as a matter of convenience had an abortion? Your an intelligent guy so let’s be honest here. The women who’ve been raped and got pregnant discussion represents a tiny fraction of abortions so I want to table that for the time being, but if the rest of the majority of women want the right to choose how about they choose self control or any number of very easy ways not to get pregnant to begin with. I laugh when I hear these hypocrites on stage talk about how wonderful their kids are. They are wonderful but I’m surprised they don’t choke on their own hypocrisy.

BZA,
Please keep talking in the appallingly ignorant way you are. Each time you misogynists go off on one of these ignorant rants, you only drive more women who have mistakenly thought they could be comfortable with the ideology of the right to switch their political affiliation to the Left.

Adrienne, tell me exactly what part of my previous statement is not true. No name calling just facts. I’ll open with a question for you. Are we now a society where telling people to grow up and have self control is not “pc” but having an abortion because a child is inconvenient is ok?

Jeff,

Do you agree with the statement from the clip, that “The government is the only thing we all belong to?

Government of the people tells me that government belongs to the people. The clip sais that WE belong to the government. Do You agree with the clip played at the DNC?

tdobson: “The clip says that WE belong to the government.”

You say that as if the context is we are slaves to the government. I understand the right has problems with context because President Obama can’t utter a single word that your side doesn’t distort. Here you go again.

The video: “We’re different churches, different clubs, but we’re together as part of our city or our county or our state…or our nation.” Uh oh, he just said we’re all in this together as one American people! Rally the fighting keyboards! Go!

Later Mitt Romney tweets: “We don’t belong to government, the government belongs to us.” Cute, Mitt. Correct, but meaningless. Way to go.

BZA: “I bet you Democrats almost lost it. How dare him!”

Nice. Yes, we hate that. We hate God and that’s why we elected an atheist like President Obama. In a second term President Obama will work to ban Christianity forever or in the very least make it illegal for Christians to vote in their counties.

C&J: “I suggest that Obama is so far ahead and Republicans are so disorganized that Democrats need not bother going to the polls.”

No one is coming close to suggesting that so your sarcasm is a flop.

Might I suggest this web site:

http://drudgereport.com/

The Dems and Obama hate the site because Drudge is able to post everything they don’t want the voters to hear.

Examples:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/?p=810960

Stadium speech cancelled due to weather…Dems said they would have it rain or shine…truth is, unions are not busing enough people in to fill stadium. Embarrassing to Obama.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/schumer-doesnt-know-obamas-position-jerusalem_651705.html

I especially like this one, it shows just how sick the SOB supporters of Obama really are:

http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2012/09/04/artwork-portrays-obama-jesus

Frank:

That Rush Limbaugh and Matt Drudge are two of your primary sources of information says a lot about the mindset you’re in. You lie down with dogs and you wake up with fleas.

Adam, what about Politico? Are you ok with that site? I’m sure you are so they ran a headline yesterday talking about how the Democrats moved any mention of God from their platform. Then the response was (in summary) they wanted to uphold separation of church and state. So why then was there talk of God at the convention? Is it ok to talk about God but just not have it in printed form? Are they just making these rules up as they go along? It’s a political convention not a church so I would imagine separation of church and state would apply to speeches on stage as well. I’m just sayin…

BZA:

I don’t spend much time on Politico so I don’t have a strong opinion one way or another.

As far as God goes the platform itself being generic toward faith does not change the fact that many of the specific speakers are Christians and thus will invoke the name of God as they see fit.

The Christian right is nitpicking as usual. They get angry when atheist groups do things like try and remove the rubble cross from the 9/11 memorial but then they get even more mad if you don’t use the word “God” in your party platform. The Christian right is an experiment in continuous fabricated outrage and victim-hood. It’s just so hard to be a Christian in Obama’s America…

BZA-
First, this word convenience gets used a great deal by folks like you, even when its a matter of family economic. It’s always there at the ready to imply that the women in question are simply loose sluts who can’t be bothered to live with the consequences of their actions.

You would use this against women who are poor, and don’t believe they can raise the child properly. You would use it against women who are in college or at the entry level stage in their career, who would seek to better themselves before they take on the burden. You would slap this label on women who are already taking care of an older relative, or children they’ve already had, and don’t see how they could afford another mouth to feed.

You’re more interested in winning an argument than confronting the realities and dilemmas these women face with any kind of sympathy. You’ve set yourself as judge.

Stadium speech cancelled due to weather…Dems said they would have it rain or shine…truth is, unions are not busing enough people in to fill stadium. Embarrassing to Obama.

Oh look it’s the Rabid Right’s Talking Point Lie of the day! It’s just so much easier to make up a story like this and have all the haters claim that Obama “couldn’t fill” what had been a fully booked stadium. That many thousands of Democrats are now disappointed doesn’t matter. That severe thunderstorms are predicted for that evening is a detail that has to be ignored. Because the volcano of petty rightwing lies must always flow on continually…

Adam- No anger here. One of the things I’ve learned over the years is that the Bible teaches that God’s plan includes opposition. He came to divide not unite…those for Him and against Him. The Bible doesn’t pull any punches so why should you. At least your consistent. What I can’t stand are those that go to church parade around as Christians and then pick and choose parts of the Bible that they like and only apply those pieces. As if this God did in fact exist would create humans so they can tell Him what they like and don’t like and then He would modify based on our feedback. Either believe it or don’t.

Stephen-Your reply does two things. First, it doesn’t address the masses who in fact do get abortions for mere convenience. Let’s be honest there are many. I’m sure I’m not the only one that knows some. Second, you further indict these women with your defense. I’ll sum up your response: women who get abortions are in tough situations so abortion is ok. The problem with that logic is it negates the fact that because of there tough situation all the more reason not to get pregnant in the first place. There’s zero mention of making better decisions before the “mistake” is made. Instead, the party line is well, don’t worry about your poor decision just get “it” aborted. Government passes out various forms of birth control like Halloween candy nowadays so noone has an excuse outside of just lacking self control. Noone else here is going to say it so I will.

That Rush Limbaugh and Matt Drudge are two of your primary sources of information says a lot about the mindset you’re in. You lie down with dogs and you wake up with fleas.

You can tell when a person doesn’t have any way to refute something, they attack the source (even though the sources weren’t the sources they attacked).

Adrienne

Your comments are so far out of touch with anybody and anything. It would be refreshing to see that your comments are prefaced with “in my opinion” where that fits.

The weather report is for good weather.

The unions cannot fill the stadium by busing in from hither and yon and so they are not going to have the big shindig at the 70k seating capacity. No big deal.

Debbie WS sure has riled the pro Israel people. She lied about her comments about Israel.

Of course there will be distortions and outright lies this week as normal. Ho Hum. What’s new.

Maranatha

Rhinehold: “You can tell when a person doesn’t have any way to refute something, they attack the source…”

Why waste time on serial liars? It’s best just to remind folks that they’re citing the views of untrustworthy individuals and then move on something more useful. If you think even for a moment that either of those folks are useful sources there’s no sense in going deeper into the argument.

Tom Humes: “The weather report is for good weather.”

Are you hoping you can say that and folks just won’t check the weather in North Carolina? The current forecast calls for thunderstorms and a 30% chance of rain from early in the day until 10 PM at night. Does that sound like good weather for an outdoor event?

BZA: “What I can’t stand are those that go to church parade around as Christians and then pick and choose parts of the Bible that they like and only apply those pieces.”

I have to point out that no one cherry picks the Bible to fit a narrow, hateful and destructive political agenda more so than the modern Christian Right.

Adam, let’s not get into a discussion of what the Bible actually teaches. You won’t win. That book is as foreign to you as the Koran. You need to study up before you engage me in that conversation. How’s your greek and hebrew?

Your comments are so far out of touch with anybody and anything.

LOL! Yeah sure, that sea of nothing but cranky Caucasian rightwingers in Tampa clapping for lots of bald-faced lies is really indicative of what all of America really thinks! Hahahahaha!

The weather report is for good weather.

I guess rightwingers find telling lies highly amusing? Since they do it so often?

The unions cannot fill the stadium by busing in from hither and yon and so they are not going to have the big shindig at the 70k seating capacity. No big deal.

More lies. That stadium was never going to be filled with “union members” although I assume that’s what Faux Noise has been telling their rightwing sheeple.
In reality, it was to be filled to capacity with (from my link above which you had to ignore):

More than 65,000 community members had activated community credentials to attend the event, and another 19,000 people were on a waiting list for the event. Democratic officials said they expected the lion’s share of those with credentials to attend, because they had to go through a multi-step process that involved visiting a campaign office, and later activating a code using a computer or mobile device, to show that they were serious about attending.

Convention organizers said President Obama would be calling some of the community members who will be turned away on Thursday, and that the campaign will invite those who can no longer attend to a make-up event before Election Day.

Of course there will be distortions and outright lies this week as normal. Ho Hum. What’s new.

Oh, there’s just no way the Dems could possibly top the enormous number of blatant, shameless lies that were spouted at last week’s GOP convention. Indeed, that would be completely impossible.

BZA-
Jesus was warning his followers that his teachings were potentially divisive, and that he realized this going in.

At the same time, he told his followers, essentially, to be decent, forgiving, merciful and loving to their fellow human beings, even their enemies.

What resolves the contradiction, is taking note of the difference between what God knows people will do in response to a new prophet who challenges the powerful with what he says, and what God wants us to do. God is reaching out to people, having his followers evangelize in his name. He doesn’t want them going out of their way to alienate people, just prepared for the fact that some may side against them on account of who and what they follow.

Frank-
Drudge. Keep on going, you haven’t gotten to CNS yet, or FOXNews. One of these has got to be unfamiliar enough to us to function properly as schmuck bait.

It kills you that we don’t just drop to our knees and confess that our opposition has just been some contrarian charade, and that we knew all you said was true long ago.

Well, sorry. As for the stadium idea, I’m from the Gulf Coast. Fact that Obama doesn’t want to play lightning rod or sponge-mop doesn’t strike me as particularly stupid. It makes for dramatic movies, but godawful stupid politics.

If you think even for a moment that either of those folks are useful sources there’s no sense in going deeper into the argument.

The links were clearly from abcnews, the weekly standard and fox news, there was only one link from drudge and no links from rush.

You continue to prove my point.

30% chance of rain

I could care less about this ‘made up controversy’ but having just rode out a pretty nasty drought in the midwest, we saw weather forecasts with 20-30% chance of rain. It didn’t rain a single drop on my property for the entire month of July…

I’m sure that a ‘30% of rain’ was forecast for that day way back when they originally booked the location…

It’s the South after all.

BTW are the Democrats Pro-Choice?

Nope, don’t think so…

How Pro-Choice are Democrats

Rhinehold,

Thunderstorms. You don’t risk filling an entire stadium to capacity with people when thunderstorms are predicted for the whole week.

“Frank:

That Rush Limbaugh and Matt Drudge are two of your primary sources of information says a lot about the mindset you’re in. You lie down with dogs and you wake up with fleas.”

Posted by: Adam Ducker at September 5, 2012 11:01 AM

Alright Adam, speaking of fleas, how about this one:

“DNC Hotels Plagued by Drugs, Prostitutes and Bedbugs? Read the Horror Stories”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/3/bedbugs-an-increasing-concern-at-dnc-hotels/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/dnc-hotels-plagued-by-drugs-prostitutes-and-bedbugs-we-have-the-horror-stories/

So are we assuming the judgment of God is coming down upon the party of baby killers and queers; first bad weather cancels Obama’s 75k people speech and now the hotels are infested with bed bugs? These are judgments of Biblical proportion. I mention this only because there were democrats calling for the death of all conservative right wingers in Tampa by Hurricane Isaac.

It’s interesting that Adam Ducker made this statement to BZA:

“BZA:
I don’t spend much time on Politico so I don’t have a strong opinion one way or another.”

But Adam did have a strong opinion about Drudge and Rush Limbaugh; does this mean Adam Ducker is a frequent listener of Limbaugh and a frequent reader of Drudge? Or is this just a bullshit statement by Ducker, because Politico posts more liberal material than they do conservative?

“Why waste time on serial liars? It’s best just to remind folks that they’re citing the views of untrustworthy individuals and then move on something more useful. If you think even for a moment that either of those folks are useful sources there’s no sense in going deeper into the argument.”

Posted by: Adam Ducker at September 5, 2012 2:39 PM

Again, I would like to know, if Ducker don’t read Politico and can’t make a comment; how is he able to make the comment that Rush and Drudge are serial liars, if he doesn’t frequent their sites?

Re/the filling of the stadium in Charlotte; when was the last time the NFL cancelled a football game 24 hours prior to the game, on the grounds of a 30% chance of rain? This isn’t about rain; it’s about lack of enthusiasm for Obama.

Once again we have Stephen Daugherty chiming in with “Dumbass” comments:

“You’re more interested in winning an argument than confronting the realities and dilemmas these women face with any kind of sympathy. You’ve set yourself as judge.”
Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 5, 2012 12:05 PM

Stephen, do you remember what Clinton and the liberal machine called Bill Clinton’s women?

“Talk about your irony.
Democrats, who have declared that Republicans are engaging in a “war against women,” will be led at their national convention this week by Bill Clinton, whose list of reported transgressions against women is, well, let’s say, long.

Though the mainstream media has considered the matter overwrought, and the former president is now held to be a brilliant elder statesman intent on fixing the world’s problems through his global consortium, it is worth pondering, as the 42nd president prepares to take the stage to nominate President Obama, the many transgressions toward women committed by The Man From Hope.

Let’s whoosh through ol’ Bubba’s history real quick-like: There was Dolly Kyle Browning, a high school classmate who said she has had a sexual relationship with Bubba for 30 years; Gennifer Flowers, a cabaret singer and former Arkansas government employee, who claimed a 12-year affair; Paula Jones, another state employee with a sordid tale; Monica Lewinsky, the 22-year-old White House intern who, eh, you know the story; and, whoa, too many more — another state worker, at least three former holders of the Miss Arkansas title, a one-time White House employee who said she was sexually fondled by the Bubster in the Oval Office.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/4/curl-clinton-undercuts-democrats-celebration-women/

http://www.ranker.com/list/bill-clinton_s-loves-and-hookups/celebrityhookups

Let me remind you Stephen; the democrats attacked all these women:

http://alamo-girl.com/0262.htm

I couldn’t be better to have the most philandering president in history to speak for Obama; if I were the RNC, I would be running Clinton/abused women commercials while he is speaking.

BZA, let me let you in on a little secret; Stephen Daugherty likes to think of himself as a Bible scholar, much like he is on every other subject. The truth is, Stephen does not believe the Bible, he thinks it’s just a story book that doesn’t tell real stories, only make believe stories.

Stephen, Jesus taught us to condemn sin but not the sinner because the latter is God’s job. Even so it must done knowing that I too will be judged by the same measure. When Jesus says, “By their fruits you will know them” he was referring to peoples lifestyles and actions. So yes, we can judge peoples actions and in no way are we to endorse lifestyles that oppose the Bible’s teachings.

Frank: “But Adam did have a strong opinion about Drudge and Rush Limbaugh; does this mean Adam Ducker is a frequent listener of Limbaugh and a frequent reader of Drudge?”

Haven’t we talked about this a couple of times? I’m not sure your point. I do listen to right wing radio including Limbaugh whenever I can. I watch Fox News whenever I can. I have no problem hearing things I disagree with and searching for things I occasionally agree with when it comes to right wing media. I drive my wife crazy with it. She doesn’t share my taste for right wing hate radio, for instance.

“Re/the filling of the stadium in Charlotte; when was the last time the NFL cancelled a football game 24 hours prior to the game…”

I’m not sure why you think a football game is the same as a highly orchestrated convention acceptance speech. There is no evidence this had to do with attendance. If I had to guess the true reason for moving the event I’d say it had little to do with safety and more to do with that the organizers themselves did not want it raining during the speech. This is a big deal. Rain ruins it.

Hilarious…

Although Democrats adopted a plank supporting the constitutional overturning of Citizens United for the sake of democracy, they managed to ignore their own party rules and delegate voices this afternoon when amending the party platform. DNC Chairman Antonio Villaraigosa announced the party required a two-thirds vote to amend the party platform. However, minutes after failing to reach the threshold after three separate votes, he awkwardly moved forward and declared the two-thirds threshold had been reached.

[…]

It’s ironic that a party which professes such fervent dedication to democracy blatantly ignored considerable dissent within its own ranks, even on national television.

http://reason.com/blog/2012/09/05/dnc-chair-villaraigosa-declares-super-ma

You might expect the administration’s top health official to be able to launch an accurate attack on her opponent’s health care plans. But in a short speech at last night’s Democratic National Convention, Obama administration Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius attacked the Medicare reforms put forth by President Obama’s GOP — and managed to get just about everything wrong.

http://reason.com/blog/2012/09/05/kathleen-sebelius-speech-post

Where are the factchecking sites that railed against Ryan on this speech?

In just one day so far, they have already racked up quite a list… again, crickets from some notable ‘factcheckers’.

http://factcheck.org/2012/09/democratic-disinformation-from-charlotte/

The keynote speaker and others claimed the Republican presidential nominee, Mitt Romney, would raise taxes on the “middle class.” He has promised he won’t. Democrats base their claim on a study that doesn’t necessarily lead to that conclusion.

The keynote speaker, San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro, also said there have been 4.5 million “new jobs” under Obama. The fact is the economy has regained only 4 million of the 4.3 million jobs lost since Obama took office.

Castro also insisted Romney and Ryan would “gut” Pell Grants for lower-income college students. Actually, the Ryan budget calls only for “limiting the growth” of spending for the program, and Ryan has said the maximum grant of $5,550 would not be decreased.

A Democratic governor said Romney “left his state 47th out of 50 in job growth.” Actually, Massachusetts went from 50th in job creation during Romney’s first year to 28th in his final year.

Two advocates of equal-pay legislation said women make 77 cents for every dollar men earn. That’s true on average, but the gap for women doing the same work as men is much less, and not entirely or even mostly the result of job discrimination.

A union president accused Romney of seeking “a government bailout” for “his company.” Not really. In fact, Romney negotiated a favorable but routine settlement with bank regulators on behalf of a former company, the one he had left to form his own Bain Capital firm. No taxpayer funds were involved.

Multiple speakers repeated a claim that the Ryan/Romney Medicare plan would cost seniors $6,400 a year. That’s a figure that applied to Ryan’s 2011 budget plan, but his current proposal (the one Romney embraces) is far more generous. The Congressional Budget Office says it “may” lead to higher costs for beneficiaries, but it can’t estimate how much.

In prepared remarks released to reporters, Rep. James Clyburn engaged in partisan myth-making with the claim “Democrats created Social Security” while Republicans “cursed the darkness.” History records strong bipartisan support in both House and Senate for the measure President Roosevelt signed in 1935.

Point being Adam Ducker, you will not condemn Politico because you have “no strong opinion” one way or the other; then you say, “I do listen to right wing radio including Limbaugh whenever I can” with no mention of reading Drudge. But even though you never read Drudge and very seldom listen to Limbaugh, you do have strong feelings about them. IMHO, you are full of crap. You hate Drudge and Limbaugh simply because they are idealogically opposed to your leftist views.

Re/the stadium; how much you want to bet there will be no storms or lightening tomorrow. They could not fill the stadium with people. Simple as that.

Frank: “IMHO, you are full of crap. You hate Drudge and Limbaugh simply because they are idealogically opposed to your leftist views.”

I hate Drudge and Limbaugh because they are serial liars promoting a narrow right wing agenda that is bad for America and the world. But again, this is what passes as reliable sources for you so there’s no sense going further with the argument.

“Re/the stadium; how much you want to bet there will be no storms or lightening tomorrow.”

I don’t bet for or against the weather reports but not much has changed today. The reports still call for thunderstorms and at least a 30% chance of rain throughout the PM tomorrow. You have not a shred of evidence to back up your opinion of the move.

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