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The Truth Isn't Good Enough to Get Mitt Elected

It says something that the Republicans spent an entire night rebutting one of their own lies. The President never denied entrepreneurs hard work. What he said is that they often relied on resources and infrastructure that was their beforehand, and the product of previous government action. But you won’t hear that from tonight’s speakers, not even the ones that benefited from Government funds. Not even the one who touted the help in a video on behalf of the program.

"You didn't build that." On the basis of one misplaced phrase, whose apparent meaning to Republicans was contradicted in context, the Republicans build a full day of their convention.

One speaker, Rick Santorum, hammers the President on the Welfare Waivers. Too bad that's a total pants on fire lie. He even throws a number of Republican Governors under the the bus, just to push that idea, when pressed on it by Andrea Mitchell.

Governor Bob McDonnell's similar claim gets rated false.

Rather than let people be honest about it, the Republicans push these governors, whose real intentions were to get people back to work faster (a very conservative aim, right?) to lie to cover for their dishonest leaders in Washington.

And as disaster looms in Louisiana, another leader lies to make Obama look bad.

What's with all this dishonesty?

Well, when you have people saying such nice things about folks from the Middle East, (I don't suppose she means people from the Atlantic States), when you have thirteen percent more people in your party who'd like another candidate, as compared to the other guy, when you have folks going on about "legitimate rape," throwing nuts at black news crew members and calling them animals, you can't exactly count on the truth to make you look good.

You certainly can't make yourself look good with the truth when one of your movement's most outspoken leaders suggests this:

The first thing we do is offer to send 500 bus drivers to New Orleans, paid for by us, to make sure that the buses that were not used by the Democrat mayor during Hurricane Katrina will be used to evacuate people should it become necessary. The second thing that I think the Republicans ought to do is send bags of money instead of sand. Bags full of money to shore up the levees in New Orleans. This would accomplish many things. A, it would show our compassion. B, we could have Romney's five sons who CNN last night asked, "What's it like to be rich as sin," or whatever. They did. Piers Morgan asked Romney's sons, (paraphrasing) "What's it like to be stinking rich?" So we have Romney's five sons deliver the bags of money to shore up the levees. Now, this will accomplish much. It will show our compassion, and it will do something else. Once we publicize that we have sent 500 bags of money -- well, whatever number of bags, bags filled with money to shore up the levees, what will happen? The poor of New Orleans will storm the levees and steal the bags, thereby putting themselves at risk for the eventual flooding that will happen once they remove the bags of money. And that way the Republicans can get rid of even more Democrats in Louisiana and shore up the state for themselves. How about those two ideas, folks? Am I not thinking or am I thinking?

So what do you do?

You cheat.

You lie.

And you try and drag the other candidate into the mud with you.

Romney's trouble is that despite all the things Republicans have done to threaten this President's chances of a second term, most Americans simply don't like him. He's had more positions on his own signature Massachusetts achievement, Romney care, than a ballet manual. He's done his best to downplay his past as essentially a leverage buy-out artist, a man who takes borrowed money, and exploits weak businesses.

The truth is, he might claim himself to be a job creator, but really, his game was speculation, and jobs were an optional, often distant priority to making his money.

They always made their money, whether the company went down in debt-ridden flames, or not.

Romney's campaign says he created 100,000 jobs through Bain's investments in other companies, noting success stories such as Staples and Sports Authority. The campaign tally did not include jobs that were cut through mergers, efficiency efforts or bankruptcies under Bain's watch.

Josh Kosman, the author of "The Buyout of America," examined the broader role of private equity and determined that "most of the time private equity firms hurt the companies" they purchase. Four of Bain's 10 biggest acquisitions under Romney later ended with the acquired company in bankruptcy.

Citing a financial study in his book, Kosman concluded "it is pretty clear ... that they destroy jobs." Even when they make money, Kosman said it "goes to pay debt, sometimes it's put back to the private equity (firm) in the form of a dividend, but it's not used to build that company and the companies get much weaker."

Romney's a financial vampire, in other words. Not exactly what most would consider Presidential material. Folks are justifiably concerned that a man so secretive, so flexible in his ethics, so unwilling to tell you what you need to know in order to get a good deal, should be their candidate for President.

The ugly truth about Romney is that he's not a job creator, not somebody who leaves the company's he manages on solid ground. He's not in that line of business to help people, he's in it to help himself.

He doesn't seem to have lost that elitism, as far as being honest with you. He'll tell you what he's planning on doing when he's in charge. He'll make his management decisions in private, with little explanation to anybody else. If you're like the Ron Paul folks, (who normally wouldn't get much sympathy from me) you'll get shoved aside and marginalized. You are a means to his ends, and you'd better get used to it. It's his kind of folks who want folks to stop resenting the kind of damage his leveraged buy out people did to the economy, and learn to love it as "creative destruction."

People should not sell their interests short by voting for people like him. We've come off three decades of people trying to achieve social stability and morality through government, with the result being utter failure. Meanwhile, all the promises about the rich people giving folks jobs when they agreed to give the rich tax cuts, when they agreed to let the fox into the henhouse on regulation, when they agreed to sacrifice environment, union representation, energy independence, and America's status as an exporter that looked out for its own interests, never were fulfilled.

Americans have not gotten what they were promised. In the case of social stability and morality, government could never really grant that to a people who had the rights of free religion and free expression. That was always going to be something they had to work out for themselves as a culture. In the case of all the things we did to help the rich and powerful help us?

Well, we were a means to an end. We were the agents of our own disempowerment, our own impoverishment, and this was always the goal, for many in the elite, who viewed all the checks and balances that government had given us over the private sector's worst behavior, over the power of the corporate giants as a shackle on their ability to get what they wanted. They viewed the increase wealth of the Middle class as money taken from their pocket, the added rights attained by unions as a infringement on their right to make money.

We have to stop believing that somehow, somebody who already makes so much money that they accumulate it, will somehow brighten up and bestow it on everybody else, like a cup running over when it overfills. It's not even natural human instinct. We're creatures who accumulate when we can help it. Who here actually thinks that people push for tax cuts so they can turn around and give people jobs? What sort of threshold were these people waiting for?

During the last decade, when creative destruction was at its apogee, we were hearing about layoffs every other week, and the point of doing all that was to make whatever enterprise was in question more attractive to investors, by increasing the overly simple measure of productivity to costs. In other words, to make more money, folks were killing jobs. This during the era of the Bush Tax Cuts. The business leaders of that time had no compunction about keeping their windfall to themselves.

Romney supports doing more of the same, and probably not because he honestly thinks his fellow businessmen will create jobs. He supports it because he supports the benefits of society accruing to people like him. He believes, like all too many, that the magic of our economy comes from the top, that when we do what works for their bottom lines, Americans will magically become more prosperous, or at least the economy will become properly balanced in terms of those who deserve to be wealthy in his eyes, and those who deserve to be poor. If you disagree with him, on where the fulcrum of economic activity is placed, tough luck.

Fact is, he doesn't think of you as an equal. He already thinks about himself as a boss. But he was a boss of a company that made money whether the businesses under him failed or not, which four out of the ten big businesses he took in did. Now it may be an option to leave this corporation or that in a state of bankruptcy, even see it liquidated, it may be an option to see more people cast into the unemployment lines when you're running Bain Capital, but failure is not an option with our nation's fortunes. We cannot afford to have this nation run like a leveraged buy-out firm's subsidiary. We cannot afford another four to eight years of taxpayer-screwing privatizing.

It's bad enough to have people doing what Romney's doing in the private sector; most people don't think much of corporate raiders, especially those that shutter factories and lay people off. But do you really want that kind of person in charge, especially when it seems he can't be straight with you on anything?

Posted by Stephen Daugherty at August 28, 2012 10:59 PM
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Comment #351729

Stephen, YOUR AFFRAID. You know your going to lose. People aren’t listening to the LIES of the Democrats. If you quote polls remember Reagan/Carter, Carter led in the polls but got treounced in the election.

Posted by: KAP at August 29, 2012 10:08 AM
Comment #351735

Stephen I have never hard such drivel.

How many buses were left to be flooded, by the democrat mayor of NO, when Katrina hit?

I bet Obama regrets his comment, “you didn’t build that”, during his any campaign speeches of sound bit rhetoric.

KAP is right, your side is scared bigtime.

In fact I am going to repost what I said in the previous because it is important and it represents the people Stephen defending:

“As for running against Romney’s religion? I doubt it. We have his record as a leverage buy-out specialist with Cayman Island and Swiss Bank accounts set up to avoid taxes (and mysteriously enough, a retirement fund where he’s taking active management fees for funds he’s no longer running) We have his Wimbledon tennis ball propensity for switching sides of an issue on a whim. We have his total inability to confront the crazies in his party, and when he does, for his confrontation to have any impact.

Don’t worry about folks making his religion a campaign issue, we have tougher stuff to throw at him, much of it the product of his own stupidity and dishonesty.

You believe a lot of things, it seems. And before you started out on it, you had to say “I think Stephen’s lost it.” Maybe you’re trying some sleight of hand there, calling me crazy to avoid the consequences of your own crazy remarks.”

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 28, 2012 10:08 PM

Stephen, I don’t think it’s just you losing it; I believe all liberals are losing it. I believe Obama, Biden, and the Democrat politicians are losing it. The liberals in Hollywood are losing it.

I have to agree with C&J; the left’s attacks on Romney and Ryan are “small”, your arguments to defend Obama are small. As I watched the RNC Convention last night on Fox News, I believe it was Brit Hume or Krauthammer who was asked about Christy’s speech; the one asked said Christy’s speech was big and not small. I thought of C&J’s comment. They went on to say, while Obama is talking about Stephen’s points of “his record as a leverage buy-out specialist with Cayman Island and Swiss Bank accounts set up to avoid taxes or “his record at Bain, the war against women, Medicare, SS, or a myriad of other attacks”, Christy was talking about the real problems facing America, i.e. National debt, an invasion of our rights with the ACA, the solvency of Medicare and SS, the downgrade of our military. So while Stephen defends Obama with the same old small arguments that are meant to nip at the heels of Romney; Romney is talking to America about how to fix the problems that will eventually destroy us. Obama is out of his league, he is depending on charisma, personal attacks, and interviews with Glamour Magazine to sway the people; but we have been there and done that.

Re/attacks on religion; so Stephen, you are saying the left is too noble to attack Romney’s religion? That you have too many other personal attack items to ever have to deal with the Mormon religion. I will hold you to that Stephen, and when the left attacks Romney’s religion, I expect you to go against your own party. Of course I won’t hold my breath, because I don’t think you are capable of having any honor whatsoever.

You say, the left will not attack Romney’s religion, yet Stephen, here is an example of your party:

“TAMPA, Fla. — Yahoo News has fired Washington bureau chief David Chalian after he was caught on a hot-mic during an online video broadcast today saying that Mitt Romney and his wife Ann had no problem with African Americans suffering as a result of Hurricane Isaac, a source familiar with the situation tells POLITICO.

“They’re not concerned at all. They’re happy to have a party with black people drowning,” Chalian said during the ABC News/Yahoo News webcast, in reference to the fact that the GOP convention in Tampa is taking place as Hurricane Isaac makes landfall on the north Gulf coast.”

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/08/yahoo-news-fires-david-chalian-source-133662.html

“ABC News reported Wednesday that a group of Romney donors gathered on a yacht flying the Cayman flag.

One problem: The flag is not the flag of the Cayman Islands. It is the flag of Bermuda.

Among the three reporters bylined on the story is Brian Ross, who suggested on live television that the James Holmes who murdered a dozen moviegoers in July could be a Tea Party member named Jim Holmes. Ross later apologized.”

http://freebeacon.com/brian-ross-does-it-again/

Or Ellen Barkin’s remarks:

http://nation.foxnews.com/ellen-barkin/2012/08/28/ellen-barkin-hopes-hurricane-kills-every-pro-life-xenophobic-gay-bashing-sob-rnc
Or Samuel Jackson’s remarks:


http://thehill.com/blogs/twitter-room/other-news/245767-samuel-l-jackson-asks-why-rnc-spared-by-isaac

Or perhaps the left’s racist comments about an up and coming conservative TP Republican star; the daughter of Haitian immigrants who came to America with $10 in their pocket. She is nothing like you Stephen; she believes in America and American exceptionalism, and she is black like me. She was attacked by liberal racists; the people you defend Stephen:

“TAMPA, Fla.— African-American support for the Republican Party has fallen so far that a recent Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll showed Mitt Romney capturing 0.0% of the black vote.

Enter Mia Love, the 36-year-old daughter of Haitian immigrants and a Republican congressional candidate in Utah. Should she win, she would be the first-ever black Republican woman to win a seat in Congress.

In a speech that drew sustained applause at the GOP convention Tuesday night, Ms. Love recounted her parents’ journey to the U.S., saying they arrived with only $10 in their pockets.

“The America I grew up knowing was centered in self-reliance and filled with the possibilities of living the American dream,” said Ms. Love, the mayor of Saratoga Springs, Utah.
She made apparent references to civil-rights icons Rosa Parks and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. “Our story has been told over 200 years, with small steps and giant leaps, from a woman on a bus to a man with a dream,” she said.

Ms. Love, a staunch conservative who converted to Mormonism, is challenging Democratic Rep. Jim Matheson, a six-term incumbent. Cook Political Report rates the race a tossup, and Ms. Love’s exposure on Tuesday night could give her a boost.”

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/08/28/utahs-mia-love-gets-enthusiastic-reception-in-tampa/

Enter liberal racist comments and attacks:

“Sick: Wikipedia entry calls Mia Love ‘dirty, worthless whore’ and ‘House Nigger’
Posted at 10:19 am on August 29, 2012 by Twitchy Staff | View Comments

http://twitchy.com/2012/08/29/sick-wikipedia-entry-calls-mia-love-dirty-worthless-whore-and-house-nigger/

This Stephen is how your party feels about conservative blacks. Kind of makes you proud to be a liberal hack, doesn’t I Stephen?

Posted by: Frank at August 29, 2012 2:21 PM
Comment #351736

Yes the Demcrats are afraid;

Gallup poll showing Obama approval in freefall.

Obama’s lead in Iowa down 2 pints, an this is a PPP democrat poll:

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/08/28/change-obamas-lead-down-to-two-points-in-iowa/

“The most direct, powerful attack on President Obama comes from a man who spoke on his behalf at the 2008 Democratic convention, and from an African-American to boot.”

One of the best lines by Arthur Davis was this reference to the Dems’s last convention: “Maybe we should have known that night in Denver that things that begin with styrofoam Greek columns and artificial smoke typically don’t end well.”

“MSNBC declined to air the speeches of Mia Love, Ted Cruz, and Artur Davis. Showing these speeches and the warm reception they received would, of course, have undercut the network’s ridiculous “dog-whistle racism” narrative.”

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2012/08/msnbc-air-brushes-republican-convention-to-advance-its-narrative.php

Posted by: Billinflorida at August 29, 2012 2:49 PM
Comment #351740

Frank-
I’ll reprint my response to your identical question:
Always attempting to play the victim.

As a matter of course, I don’t think political campaigns in a party where the Senate Majority Leader is a Mormon are going to attack mormonism. You might have some private individuals who have a gripe, but you’ve got those in your party, too, though for different reasons.

Like I said, we got a lot of ammunition to go after him with, ammunition that doesn’t alienate Mormon voters needlessly.

As for Romney’s business experience? Simply put, Romney is the exact sort of speculator, the job-killing, company-harming, derivatives speculating wheeler-dealer who helped crash the economy in the first place. Long story short, electing him to fix the economy is like electing the fox to refill the hen-house.

You only have to look at tax cuts that are uber-friendly to people in his economic class, and which seem poised to raise taxes on the middle class if they are to be deficit neutral, to see what other problems that might bring.

Romney’s plan, in other words, would probably increase the deficit and the national debt, just like Bush and Reagan’s tax cuts did. It should be predictable by now, but it seems Republicans want us to beat our heads against the wall again, with the vain promise that what happened before won’t happen again.

As far as the ACA goes? The invasion you speak of was one your very candidate perpetrated on his state, and which he’s tooted his own horn about even recently. That’t the irony in all this. For the sake of limiting cognitive dissonance, you’ve put your blinders on as to the words and the actions of your own nominee.

As for the military?

In nearly every war America has fought, the after effect has been a “downgrade” of the military, or as we call it in the real world, a demobilization. We should be spending less on the military after we’ve finished a war. It’s wasteful to do otherwise. However, Republicans seem to have a blind spot for the evils of big government when it comes to the bloated pentagon bureaucracy, which is dozens of times larger than most of your favorite targets.

As for David Chalian? I don’t have any problem with his firing. He should not be making himself part of the story. At least, though, he was complaing on behalf of the victims of the storm, not discussing ideas on how to exterminate them. He can take that solace, as he goes to find a new job after his dismissal.

As for Ellen Barkin? I’ll gladly say she had no excuse.

Samuel L. Jackson? Well, he apologized about half an hour later, so I’m sure you’re a big enough person to accept his apology. God knows nobody should have to suffer through a hurricane. One reason I wasn’t so quick to indulge in the Schadenfreunde, or ask Jackson’s question is the acute awareness that Democrats put their convention in a hurricane prone state, too. Guess you can say I’m not calling any curses down on the GOP that I wouldn’t want coming down on my own head.

As far as Mia Love goes? Good God, you thought you were giving me difficult stuff to denounce! No, I wouldn’t support any of that bull****. That stuff is racist, and offense to me, and though the person might call themselves liberal, they’re not being a very good one.

I do think conservative blacks, especially women aren’t exactly in the right party, a party that has a tendency to make even more outrageous comments. But really, nobody has to get that disgusting about it.

Now that I’ve said all this, I want to know what your response to what Rush Limbaugh said is. Are you man enough to actually admit he said something horrible, or is the fact that it was all about liberals enough to make you switch off your single standard circuit?

Billinflorida-
No, I can’t say that I’m afraid. Republicans like to use Carter, but Carter was splitting his own party, and Reagan was well ahead of him at this point.

I think people should look at the overall picture, and also consider that Obama is maintain a slight lead in popular vote, and a significant lead in electoral college votes despite everything the Republicans have thrown at him.

As a matter of fact, I think that’s the problem. Republicans have resorted to an all out war on Obama for the last three years, and more or less, people have processed the attacks, and what people he’s lost he’s lost, and the damage is done. Meanwhile, Obama’s taken the offensive, and Mitt Romney has yet to come up with an attack that Obama’s people can’t point to profoundly negative fact-checks on. Republicans have bounced too many checks on the credibility bank.

Also, you don’t necessarily get improved results from increased pushes of negative attacks. There’s no real dynamic, and that is what’s got the Romney campaign so anemic.

As for the rest? I remember being profoundly disappointed that speakers were not being featured earlier in the day for the Democratic Convention, four years back. It’s simple: the networks tend to feature the primetime players over the daytime. You want to call it racism, as part of your typical claim on victimhood. I’d just call it an emphasis on convention coverage of things people other than us political diehards want to watch.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 29, 2012 4:10 PM
Comment #351741

Stephen, Just wait until after the conventions, then sparks will fly and the debates are going to be interresting, especially when Obama has to explain himself for the past 4 years. YOUR AFFRAID!!!!!!!!!! Or at leasty you better be, especially when Ryan debates “Ole uncle Joe” LOL.

Posted by: KAP at August 29, 2012 4:10 PM
Comment #351742

Stephen, By the way if you weren’t Affraid you would be talking more on what a great guy Obama is instead of spreading lies and unfounded dirt on Romney.

Posted by: KAP at August 29, 2012 4:25 PM
Comment #351743

What a refreshing evening of mostly conservative speeches. The Republican Governors were outstanding and demonstrated how their states were able to reduce debt without increasing taxes.

Of course, Stephen has written that this is impossible. I agree. With a dem in charge at the WH and dems controlling the senate…it is impossible.

What I heard last night was the art of the Possible. When politicians look after the best interests of their citizens good things happen. When they look after their cronies, special interest groups, and contributors, bad things are bound to happen.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 29, 2012 4:26 PM
Comment #351746

KAP-
Wow. The way you misspell those words just makes them extra intimidating to me.

Obama’s had to explain himself for the past four years, he’ll do a good job. Romney? With Romney, the problem is that his major attacks are, on the substance, bull****, and his various flip-flops and his secrecy about his financial records have made him very vulnerable, stuck him in a middle of a minefield as far as what attacks he can throw at Obama, without it boomeranging back on him.

There’s also a limit to how innovative he can be in the general campaign without sacrificing the Tea Party voters his thin margins will need for him to win. Obama? Obama has no such problem catering to the base and the general public at the same time.

As for the Vice Presidential debates? Remember this moment? Bentsen destroyed Quayle in the debates. Then Dukakis lost to Bush in the election.

VP debates don’t necessarily decide anything. But lets say it does get serious. Well, let me be blunt: Biden will probably go straight for Ryan’s budget. That will be interesting to see when it happens.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 29, 2012 4:35 PM
Comment #351748
That will be interesting to see when it happens.

It will be interesting to see if the Obama campaign can stop lying about Ryan’s budgets, I agree.

Posted by: Rhinehold at August 29, 2012 4:44 PM
Comment #351749

Royal Flush-
You always seem to be speaking for me out of turn.

It’s not impossible. It’s not free either. The cost needs to be balanced properly. If you’re impeding growth, then not many people are going to thank you for your courage in tackling the debt, and you’ll probably put yourself in a worse fiscal situation. If you’re maintain unemployment levels at a higher end than otherwise, you’re defeating your purpose.

As for the art of the possible, I’ve heard plenty from the Republicans on the subject, and they don’t seem to discern what won’t work under them, or what will work under Democrats.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 29, 2012 4:45 PM
Comment #351750

Stephen You are affraid, now your worried about my spelling. If I were you I wouldn’t worry so much about my spelling but I would worry about what is going to happen to YOUR PEOPLE come November.

Posted by: KAP at August 29, 2012 4:48 PM
Comment #351751

Rhinehold-
You’ll have to be more clear on what you think the Democrats are lying about. Is it the whole “ending medicare” hairsplitting?

To all-
I don’t seem to notice anybody actually tackling the ugly truths I put forward, especially not Rush Limbaugh’s fundamentally nasty, “what the hell is wrong with him” fantasy.

Nor the fact that a three judge panel found the Texas redistricting map to be not merely discriminatory in effect, but in actual intent, a much higher threshold.

Nor that at least two of Romney’s biggest attacks are flat out lies that he’s been called on.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 29, 2012 4:51 PM
Comment #351752

SD

Whot a sheep shit callllin KAP’s spillin. I sew a few wards you mas-spilled yousulf. Keep op the crape. Yur integrity is infertile.

Maranatha

Posted by: tom humes at August 29, 2012 4:59 PM
Comment #351753

KAP

I have to agree. The dems are IMO literaly crapping thier pants right now. I think November will spell the end of the Obama administration. BTW, are we gonna have another winter like last year? Only brought out the snow blower once. Keeping my fingers crossed.

Stephen

The ACA steals $716 bil. from medicare. Even if that is called savings recovered from waste and fraud. That money should be left in that program to help keep it solvent. Those savings belong to medicare. Imagine how much better off social security would be if the surplus hadn’t been pissed away all these years. Anyone that thinks that all those IOUs will ever be paid back is kidding themselves.

Quit whinning about the redistricting in Texas. Had the dems been in power they’d have played the same way, and my guess is you’de have defended them, and claiming that elections have cosequences. You’de be right by the way, but unfortunately you were on the losing side this time.

Posted by: dbs at August 29, 2012 5:15 PM
Comment #351754

Stephen

“There’s also a limit to how innovative he can be in the general campaign without sacrificing the Tea Party voters his thin margins will need for him to win.”

Really ? LOL !!! So you think Tea Party members will not show up to vote for Romney and boot Obama because they aren’t happy with all of Romneys positions on the issues ? My boy you need to wake up and smell the coffee. Right now people are willing to vote for Alfred E Newmanif it means showing Barry the door on Jan 20th 2013. In this case the devil you know is much worse than the devil you don’t know. Obama is toast !

Posted by: dbs at August 29, 2012 5:27 PM
Comment #351755

Stephen

“I don’t seem to notice anybody actually tackling the ugly truths I put forward”

What’s the point? You play by two sets of rules and both sets are based solely on the extreme left telling all of us unintelligent folk what the words and actions “really” mean.

It’s all Bushs fault. Nothing is Obamas fault. Everybody hates Republicans. Everybody loves Democrats. All Republicans agree with extreme statements and policy. Democrat statements and policy are misunderstood. Ok if Democrats do it. Bad if Republicans do it.
Democrats gooooood. Republicans baaaaad.

Nothing but weak excuses and double standards.
Over and over and over.

Hopefully one day, I will finally get through to the WatchBlog editor and get my account info so that I can liven things up a bit with some truth.

Posted by: kctim at August 29, 2012 5:30 PM
Comment #351756

dbs, I sure hope we will, but one of these years we’re in for another 1978. I can’t wait for the Dem. conv. to see what they will be putting on the platform. Probably more of Obama’s BS and lies.

Posted by: KAP at August 29, 2012 5:30 PM
Comment #351757

Stephen writes; ” If you’re impeding growth, then not many people are going to thank you for your courage in tackling the debt, and you’ll probably put yourself in a worse fiscal situation.”

What an up-side-down world some live in. Not adding to our $16 trillion national debt is impeding growth. Well, part of that is true. It will impede the growth in government.

Posted by: Royal Flush at August 29, 2012 5:34 PM
Comment #351758

“Frank-
I’ll reprint my response to your identical question:” Stephen

No need, I wasn’t expecting much of a response and you didn’t disappoint me. I love the way you are outraged at what these, in your words, “person might call themselves liberal, they’re not being a very good one”, but you have a problem with isolated conservatives who make wild claims, at which point Stephen identifies them with ALL conservatives. Shall we go back and see how many times Stephen Daugherty has been called out for using the word “YOU” when addressing conservatives on WB and identifying them with isolated comments. I know for a fact Stephen, that C&J has told you dozens of times they are not birthers, yet you continue to identify C&J with the birthers. I must once again place you outrage comment (at the rogue liberals) in the “Dumbass” category.

Re/Rush Limbaugh; I have no problem with anything he says. After all, he is just a comedian and an entertainer and not a news person, according to the left. So why should I consider his comments any different than any other liberal entertainer?

“In nearly every war America has fought, the after effect has been a “downgrade” of the military, or as we call it in the real world, a demobilization. We should be spending less on the military after we’ve finished a war.”

“Dumbass” comment #2; tell me Stephen, is America more secure now than we were 4 years ago? Are we more safe with North Korea, Iran, Russia, China, or is Iraq and Afghanistan more secure. Just because Obama pulls the troops out, doesn’t mean the war is over. Is our relationship with Egypt better now than it was 4 years ago? So your comment that we need to “demobilize” the military is ridiculous, it is not based upon a safer world, it is based upon the left’s absolute hatred of the military. Tell me Stephen, how many foreign countries have you been to; how much time have you spent outside the United States , in nations that don’t have the freedoms we have?

“VP debates don’t necessarily decide anything. But lets say it does get serious. Well, let me be blunt: Biden will probably go straight for Ryan’s budget. That will be interesting to see when it happens.”

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 29, 2012 4:35 PM

Stephen, if VP’s don’t really mean anything, why has the left spent so much energy attacking him? As I am sitting here watching “The Five” on Fox News, Bob Beckle just made the statement that there has not been a VP since LBJ who helped a presidential candidate win an election; so again, Stephen, I ask the question, why has the left expended so much energy attacking Ryan? Regarding Biden going after Ryan’s budget; Biden is an idiot and Ryan will eat him alive. I look for Biden to all of a sudden develop chest pains and back out the debate.

Posted by: Frank at August 29, 2012 5:40 PM
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Stephen

Obama is a clever speaker. He knows how to emphasize and mislead. If you watch the whole speech, you know that he means “you didn’t build that” to apply to business owners.

He is correct that we all depend on others for success. But he discounts individual effort, as MOST of you liberals do. As you do.

Maybe you are right to place the emphasis where you do, but don’t hide from it.

Let me ask if you agree on this:

We all depend on the work of others and past generations to make us successful. But within that society that we all enjoy a great deal of success or failure depends on effort.

Of how about this? The successful business owner IS to a great extent responsible for the success of his business.

We will talk about big things. We will talk about job, the economy, reforming entitlements making out country great again. We will transcend the little attacks.

Obama has failed. He inherited a poor economy and didn’t make it better. The economy is recovering but not thanks to Obama. If you all disagree, let’s talk about the future, about jobs etc. Instead of these little things you guys want to talk about.

We don’t have to make Obama look bad. We just need to talk about his record. It seems like he is already in the past, so maybe we should think of him as gone until he is and than don’t think about him anymore.


Posted by: C&J at August 29, 2012 6:46 PM
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I just heard a good line.

Both Obama and Romney are millionaires. Romney made his money saving companies, 90% of which did well. Obama made his money writing books about himself and even then got lots of his facts wrong.

Posted by: C&J at August 29, 2012 8:44 PM
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tom humes-
I misspell words on occasion. I try not to, though, especially when I’m trying to trash talk them. It kind of punctures the effect.

dbs-
I know my fellow liberals pretty well. Your opinion regarding the contents of their pants is pretty far off the mark. We think Obama’s going to win, if he keeps his current polling, his current dominance in the different states, and Romney’s got a much more difficult path to victory, if he doesn’t get certain states, Florida among them.

As far as global warming goes? It hasn’t called off winter forever. it will make the polar winds, and thus the jet stream more unstable, meaning loops of colder air will reach down further than usual in some parts of the country, while others fry in unusual heat from the tropics. It also means that the air that cold fronts plow into will carry more moisture, and the warming of the arctic air means it will be less dry as well.

There’s a reason the antarctic is a desert.

As far as Medicare goes, it sounds like you’re unclear on the concept of what was done. What Obama did was stop letting the pharmaceutical companies overcharge us so much on the drugs, and also stopped paying insurance companies administrating Medicare Advantage benefits the unnnecessary subsidies they were getting.

That means that Medicare is spending less money out of that trust fund. That is one of the reasons why the CBO has said that the ACA extended the life of the program.

As for redistricting in Texas? First, a panel just declared the redistricting illegal, so I don’t seem how that puts me on the losing side. As far as the Democrat doing the same thing?

Trouble is, that map was redrawn to favor not merely Republicans, who are already overrepresented, compared to the population, but to cut out other key minority demographics. Tell me, is this the behavior of a bunch of secure winners?

It seems the behavior of folks who are running scared from a demographic change that disadvantages them.

As for the tea party? Do I really think that there’s a point at which their morale might sink through the floor? I think its completely possible. I’m not counting on it, but if the floor fight a while back was any indication, Romney might not have the situation under control. And yes, I do believe that Obama’s presence provides a counteracting force to that failure of morale, but I think if Romney begins to play too much to the center, they might decide that there’s not enough difference between Romney and Obama for that battle to be worth winning.

kctim-
Look, your people are saying, doing, and proposing things you really should notice they’re doing. You think its the “liberal media” that’s making you less popular, but ask the question: what if its not? What if the things you do, and the things you say, are poor choices, even without a bias filtering the perspective?

Well then, the most important, and the deadliest bias for Republican political fortunes is the one the Republicans carry with them, because its preventing them from realizing just how screwed up their situation is, on an objective basis.

Royal Flush-
It’s not upside down. The government is part of the economy. It pays for goods and services, and so do its employees. The governments of America employ millions, their contractors millions more.

Take that away, and there’s a negative economic effect.

The theory might be that if Government takes too much tax dollars, or intrudes too much into a given sector, it might suck up economic energy, or crowd out private investment that might profit the economy more.

Or, if we’re talking deficits, the idea is that inflation will come along and steal back some of the value of the dollar, making it harder to stretch a buck.

Well, inflation has been minimal, so you can’t blame the economic stagnation on that. We’ve been spending out of a deficit, so it hasn’t spurred new taxes. And the Federal government spent into industries where credit had dried up, which meant nobody was crowd out.

But what if you cut spending? Since you’re already in a deficit, the best you’ll be doing is reducing that deficit, not reducing the tax burden, so it will relieve nothing. It gets even worse if you add a tax cut on top of that, since that would swallow up part or all of your windfall.

Meanwhile, the drop in activity spurs a drop in revenues, because others aren’t making as much money. The drop in revenues of course takes back part or all of the windfall.

The time to be austere is when the rest of the country isn’t when the economy has recovered enough to absorb the costs. Case in point, you know what the biggest forecast impediment to growth is? The fiscal cliff, a direct result of austerity forced by the Republicans, and an unwillingness to restrict the tax cuts for the rich.

Frank-
Oh, there’s always a need to respond to people like you.

If a person calls themself a liberal, but uses racist language against somebody, they’re not being a good liberal. That simple. I’m not going to complicate it.

I mean, entertainer? You think that means he can get away with that sort of atrocious crap? Look at Michael Richards. Look at Mel Gibson. You say stuff that strong, and it will be a problem for you, even if you’re not a serious performer.

And no, he’s not an isolated fellow. Republicans come to his aid, you tout what he says almost religiously, hoping to convert liberals, or at least cow them with a real truthteller. Akin wasn’t alone, nor is he alone now, not with major figure Mike Huckabee supporting him now, or Paul Ryan working with him in the past on several anti-abortion bills. This guy is supposed to be a part of the Tea Party, and many of those people have said and done some rather alarming things as well.

You want the rest of us to believe that they don’t respresent your party. Trouble is, there are too many incidents, with too much philosophical and historical consistencies between them. This is not the first awful thing Rush Limbaugh has said, nor is Akin the first Republican to say something obnoxious about rape, particularly with the myth he employed.

As for the whole “you” thing? When Republicans and conservatives and professed independents stop saying all the same things, I’ll quit lumping you together. I mean, it looks to me that all people have done is distance themselves from some of the leaders, from some of the corruption or philosophical impurity they see. Unfortunately, they’re so locked into the same informations sources, and trust so implicitly the same, that everybody sounds just like a Republican, despite everything. It’s not worth my time approaching each individual as an individual if I can’t distinguish their beliefs from one another. When’s the last time Republicans said any more than “ditto” to each other?

At least most of the people you would guess were Democrats and liberals actually are that. There’s less denial of who and what they’re supporting.

Oh, and before I go on, let me get you on the record: do you actually support the suggestion that your favorite entertainer made, after all your bloviation on the topic?

Now, the next comment you call dumbass, is my topic on mobilization. Well, let me ask you a question: Where you do you think much of the trillions you so love to blame on Obama come from?

The real dumbass is the man who believes we can keep up the deployment of all those hundreds of thousands of troops for nothing. Even in Sun Tzu’s time, it was well recognized that “nobody every brilliantly protracted a war.” Long wars make us look ineffectual, create festering sores on our relations in the region, and they leave us unready for other challenges.

Not to mention the fact that we’re paying hundreds of billions of dollars a year to run this whole show, a large part of what generates our national debt.

Another variety of real dumbass is the person who believes that Democrats would want the political liability of losing wars, or seeing our country’s interests harmed. You really think anybody wants that.

I mean, your assumption basically means we escalate our military costs forever, at the expense of just about everything else. North Korea isn’t going to have the capacity to invade us, Iran’s another war most Americans don’t want to get into.

And Iraq and Afghanistan? You need to understand the brutal truth: that if we haven’t stabilized them by now, we’re not likely to see them stabilize anytime soon. Wars only get more complicated as they wear on, and if you haven’t figured out what gordian knot to cut by now, you’ll never get it. Otherwise you would have succeeded.

As for VPs, the reason we go after Ryan is to make Ryan’s deeply unpopular agenda stick to Romney. Romney loses Florida on Ryan’s account, he’ll likely lose the election. Far be it from Democrats to refuse the open invitation of a Medicare kick-me sign on Romney’s back.

(Oh, and if you plan on telling me it doesn’t harm him, why did Republicans feel it necessary to revive the Medicare “cuts” canard? Your VP candidate revealed a plan that got 80+ percent of Americans against it, once it was properly explained. Not exactly the bump you might be looking for. According to Polltracker, Florida is a tossup, and in Obama’s favor.

Some folks wonder why I’m not afraid, and the main reason is that Republicans keep on doing things that are fundamentally unwise, and Obama’s campaign, and that of Democrats, aren’t letting these opportunities slipping away. You want a campaign on the merits, you’ve unfortunately got one.

C&J-
You’re not that good. He contradicts that apparent meaning in his summation. Like Jon Stewart aptly said, when somebody says, “the point is”, nine times out of ten, whatever they say after that is their point.

You just don’t want to let go of the attack. But why? If Obama really is that bad, you don’t need to persist in elevating bull**** to your main line of attack!

As for what you say after that? Let me point out that in the after math of the 2008 crash, thousands of businesses that were otherwise doing fine, and keeping up with their expenses and everything collapsed, because the big banks were paralyzed in their ability to issue credit. Yes, personal initiative and hard work is important.

So is the ability to get resources, financial, legal, infrastructural, and otherwise. I’m not looking for the right side to land on, government or private sector, I’m looking for the right and appropriate use of each, in balance with one another.

As for making Obama look bad? As I said before, if his record really made him look bad on the merits, you could just do what we often do with the records of our GOP rivals- release them. If you have to build up huge lies, then you’re obviously not trusting to the strength of your critiques on real policies.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 29, 2012 9:52 PM
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Stephen, did you watch Paul Ryan’s speech tonight? One can’t help but enjoy a sense of American pride when conservatives speak; on the other hand, when Obama speaks, America becomes depressed. You are a small person Stephen, Obama is a small person and the Democrats are small politicians. Ryan represents big ideas. You live in a world of double standards. Everything you said to each person in your “BLOVIATING” (Stephen learned a new word)is a double standard. You say it’s ok for your side to do it (whatever it is) and it’s not ok for conservatives to do it. Obama is going to lose so big, the Democrats are scared, his advisors are scared, and Obama is too stupid to be scared. Stephen, what are you going to do over the next 2 months as Obama rapidly drops in the polls and Romney/Ryan climb? Someone once said, “can anyone say Prozac Licking Block”.

Posted by: Frank at August 29, 2012 11:52 PM
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Frank-
I watched parts of it. I imagine that for somebody on the right he’s a stimulating character now.

You know what turned me off of Palin, first off? That when she spoke, hardly a word she said turned out to be true. Later research and later articles on her claims basically debunked all those cheery things she said.

The irony here is that Paul led basically with those lies I’ve already described here, the Medicare lie, the “You didn’t build that” lie, and all new lies about why we’re in the debt trouble we’re in now. Never said anything about the wars he voted for, or the Medicare reforms he voted for, or the tax cuts he voted for, the three legs of our deficit tripod, the three major causes.

Of course not. If he actually took the blame, fessed up, nobody would vote for him. But if he lies, if he lies eloquently, with great vigor, people might elect him, and allow him to do what he did before all over again.

Which is why it’s not fear I felt listening to him, but anger at his arrogant dishonesty. Here’s a couple of men who want to gain the highest offices in the land on their terms, not ours, by feeding us a line of horse****, not being straight with us. These folks won’t confront the difficult realities any more than Bush did, and for the same reason: they’re convinced they could talk their way out of having those things be problems. They think they can get the license to do nothing.

If you really look at their proposals, it all boils down to reinflate the bubbles, disregard the problem of income inequity, of consumers getting eaten alive by their creditors, forcing them into a defensive position of deleveraging. They’re not going to do anything but what they were doing earlier this last decade, steering government money to their special interest pals.

I’m not afraid, I’m angry, and I’m going to kick every ass I can here to make sure people know the truth, rather than getting brainwashed by the Republican’s revisionist history. You can make your own interpretation of the facts, but you don’t get to make up your own facts.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 30, 2012 12:16 AM
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I think David Axelrod has the perfect rejoinder here:

Ryan, who voted for two wars that weren’t paid for, two budget-busting tax cuts and a unpaid for Medicare Rx program, moralizing about debt?

Ryan wants people to believe the real deficits are all in this administration. Trouble is, he voted for nearly every program that stuck our debt that high, and voted to keep them in place after the fact.

One reason why the deficit appeared to jump as high as it did, ironically enough, is that Obama stopped pretending the wars weren’t part of our regular spending, something Republicans and the Bush Administration did throughout that last decade. They pretended the doc fix wasn’t going on the bill, they pretended the AMT wasn’t going on the bill. In short, the Obama Administration is being held accountable for spending that the Bush Administration lied its way out of being held accountable for.

The Obama administration took a leaders position, and was honest with the people about what their government was spending. How long would it take the pathological liars of the Romney/Ryan ticket to tuck all those costs off budget again, to claim deficit reductions?

Tax cuts, especially in a bad economy, are never going to create enough business to pay for themselves. The simple fact is, the arithmetic overwhelms the calculus in this case.

America will see more debt under a Romney administration, than under an Obama presidency taken to its furthest extent.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 30, 2012 12:27 AM
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Wow, lots of lies in Ryan’s speech. Of course, the GOP doesn’t give a damn about the facts, but all those lies might matter among the better informed Independents since they were just so transparent.

TPM posted a breakdown of the top five blatant lies:
Top 5 Fibs In Paul Ryan’s Convention Speech

By the way, whoever did Ryan’s makeup tonight should really be fired. Too much rouge on pale Irish guys makes them look like Howdy Doody.

Posted by: Adrienne at August 30, 2012 3:28 AM
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Stephen

Let’s just keep the election talk about the record of the last four years and proposals for the future. The point is (to use your form)that if we do that I will be content.

If we just talk factually about the Obama record, you might think it is an attack. Sorry about that. As “give them hell” Harry Truman said, I just tell them the truth and they think its hell.

And you are being small again. I talk about Obama’s record in the country and the the world. When you say, “the records of our GOP rivals- release them.” you are evidently talking about individual tax returns. Small. All the relevant records are a matter of public record and debate already.

Axelod is also small when he dismisses arguemnts by attacking the individual. The “rejoinder” you like so much illustrates that - “Ryan, who voted for two wars that weren’t paid for, two budget-busting tax cuts and a unpaid for Medicare Rx program, moralizing about debt?”


If you go to the doctor and he tells you to eat less fat to lower your cholesterol, do you rejoin by saying, “you used to eat a lot of bacon” or do you consider the future?

The fact is that both Medicare and SS will not survive in their present forms. We can reform them, as R&R want to do, or we can demagogue the issue and just advocate charging young people more to support us old people, which is more or less the Obama plan.

This is an interesting dilemma here, Stephen. Do you want to pay more in SS and medicare taxes so that C&J can enjoy a few more nice vactions at your expense? You always say you want to pay higher taxes. Obama will certainly give you the opportunity.

Posted by: C&J at August 30, 2012 6:26 AM
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C&J-
You know, I’ve already used that line, and I’m not backing a candidate who has used the “You didn’t build that” canard, the “Stealing from Medicare” canard, and the “Welfare work waiving” canard all after several major fact checkers practically burned their pants in effigy in front of them. Your people are deliberately lying to the American people to turn them against Obama, and not with small lied, but whoppers so big they wouldn’t fit on a burger king menu.

So, when you actually start to talk about Obama’s record, instead of this made up BS, then we can talk about who’s being small.

As for your metaphor about spending?

You folks not only stuffed in the bacon, you mugged the patient, and started stuffing in hamsteaks and syrup-covered pancakes. And you did this after claiming for years that Republicans were more responsible about budgetary matters. You vastly increased military spending, and cut taxes. In what way were your policies examples of austerity, and in what way will Mitt and Paul even come close to changing those policies?

Oh, you’ll go after Medicare. So says your platform, which supports the voucherization. I know Paul Ryan can afford to find a plan and pay the overage on the six thousand dollars, but most others can’t.

But you won’t reduce spending on the military, even after the wars are over (If you’ll ever let them be over), and you won’t stop the tax cuts. So what we’ll be faced with, in real life rather than fiscal fantasy, is a bigger deficit.

Medicare does need to change, but there are means to change it that preserve its benefits, some of which Obama employed in order to cut the cost of the program. Social Security? We only need to make a few changes to keep that going indefinitely. I don’t need to demagogue the issue at all. It’s your side that feels the need to lie about Obama’s policies so you can have something to really bash him over.

Oh, and that last part? Stop being dishonest. I’ve always said that I don’t enjoy taxes. I’m willing to pay higher taxes to get things I think this country needs, but that’s a case of having to decide between two different goods, of which I cannot have both. I’m a bit more willing to share with others for the common good, though it means I have less of the money I’d like to spend.

Of course, right now the President isn’t insisting that I make that choice, because now’s not the time for that. That’s one important reason why he hasn’t raised taxes so soon, despite the fact you could practically kiss the budget deficit goodbye, if you didn’t figure on economic effects.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 30, 2012 8:38 AM
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“You know what turned me off of Palin, first off? That when she spoke, hardly a word she said turned out to be true. Later research and later articles on her claims basically debunked all those cheery things she said.” Stephen Daugherty

Stephen, we know this statement is not true; if it were, you would have been turned off Obama years ago. I won’t call it a DA statement, but I will call it a political hack statement. How many lies does Obama have to be caught in before you are turned off? Palin’s time in the limelight was short-lived, Obama has been there 4+ years.

“The irony here is that Paul led basically with those lies I’ve already described here, the Medicare lie, the “You didn’t build that” lie, and all new lies about why we’re in the debt trouble we’re in now.”

Stephen, Obama‘s whole career is built on 5 second sound bites. The theft of $716 billion from Medicare to pay for Obamacare and the statement “you didn’t build that” are the legacy of Obama. You may not like it and Obama may not like it, but “así es la vida”.

“Of course not. If he actually took the blame, fessed up, nobody would vote for him. But if he lies, if he lies eloquently, with great vigor, people might elect him, and allow him to do what he did before all over again.”

You are very silly Stephen; once again your double standards are seen. If Obama actually “fessed” up to his agenda for America, he would never have been elected in the beginning.

“I’m not afraid, I’m angry, and I’m going to kick every ass I can here to make sure people know the truth, rather than getting brainwashed by the Republican’s revisionist history. You can make your own interpretation of the facts, but you don’t get to make up your own facts.”

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 30, 2012 12:16 AM

Anger is an emotion, and I have often accused you basing your judgments on emotion; thanks for the conformation.

I hope you are talking about “kick every ass” as figurative. I have seen your picture on your profile and honestly Stephen, I don’t think you could “kick” your way out of a wet paper bag.

Re/revisionist history; here we go again, a “dumbass” statement. If you were to Google revisionist history, the words Democratic Party would come up.

Re/facts; I believe Tom Humes has you nailed on this one. You have no facts, you don’t depend on facts, and you won’t listen to facts, but you do like to talk a lot. The word of the day for Stephen Daugherty is “Verbose”.

I haven’t been on WB very long, at least not as long as some of you have; but I have to say, C&J has coined the left in the words of thinking small. This is perhaps one of the most true statements ever made and the very opposite of a “dumbass” statement. While we have conservatives trying to fix problems that will destroy America and the American way of life; we have Democrats making the same old statements…throw grandma off the cliff, steal SS, bankrupt Medicare, tax the rich, blacks against whites, rich against poor, blah-blah-blah. When someone like Condi Rice takes the stage and talks about her life and that only in America can any person, with any background become president. When Mia Love spoke of her humble beginnings with parents who came to America from Haiti with$10 in their pocket, and yet she is such a intelligent woman and a rising star in the conservative movement. Compare this to the small statements of the left; where people like Condi Rice would be told she was a victom, that she must depend on government to free her, that she must hate the white people who oppressed her parents. Do you see the sickness of the left? Great points C&J, you have hit a homerun. But as I said before, one of the conservatives on Fox News said the same thing of the left, they think small.

Posted by: Frank at August 30, 2012 9:34 AM
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SD, et al

Why is it so hard for you to tell the truth? You have great difficulty acknowledging the truth. You spew distortions that are so curvy it would make an “S” curve look straight. You call the truth a lie. The Bible says in the last days on earth this is the kind of behavior people will employ. Right is wrong and wrong is right. Lie is truth and truth is a lie. Confusion will reign. And this is what is in you character. You practice this on a daily basis. You cannot debate a negative item. I will continue to call you out on the lies and distortions that come from your fingers. As the mouth speaks (including fingers that type) so is the heart. Meaning you believe these lies and distortions knowing that the lies and distortions are just that; lies and distortions. You may want to call these by some other made up phrase. But you need to examine the facts and determiine the truth. Opinions may fill columns with pap but carry no weight. Phrases linked with nice words are not even good rhetoric.

Maranatha

Posted by: tom humes at August 30, 2012 10:16 AM
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Stephen

“My people” stopped having a say early in the 1900s when “your people” started declaring their ideas too radical.

As far as the Republicans, I know exactly what they are saying and what they propose. I may not agree with them on some things, but the far left takeover of the Democratic Party forces me to now vote Republican.

There are two things that are making the Republican Party less popular:
The lie that it is governments job to provide everything.
The lie that Republicans will take away everybodys freebies.
Now that half of the country is now dependent on government, more people are ready to trade freedoms for freebies so it is the liberals turn to be popular.

“Well then, the most important, and the deadliest bias for Republican political fortunes is the one the Republicans carry with them, because its preventing them from realizing just how screwed up their situation is, on an objective basis.”

Your lies and half-truths are no better than theirs Stephen. Republicans will do as they always have to attain their “political fortunes,” move further left. Then your people will do as they always do, lie and claim they are too radical and too far right.

Republicans aren’t “screwed up,” they just prefer to fight a little before rolling over to government.

FWIW, I agree with you, Obama is going to win come Nov.
Dependency will beat failed leadership and failed policy, and you will have another four years to preach how those two things no longer matter.

I will mourn the loss of our founders country, but I have prepared and will be just fine. Sadly, my children and my grand children will not be.

Posted by: kctim at August 30, 2012 11:32 AM
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Frank-

Stephen, we know this statement is not true; if it were, you would have been turned off Obama years ago. I won’t call it a DA statement, but I will call it a political hack statement.

If I took all the insane crap you hear about Obama at face value, all the overheated propaganda, maybe I would. Simple thing is, when I heard Palin, she talked about opposing the bridge to nowhere, when she in fact supported it. She talked about selling the Alaskan Governor’s jet on e-bay. Cute, but she never pulled it off, and it got sold the normal way. She talked about being opposed to earmarks, when she sought and got many of them for Wasilla.

When you get most of your verifiable facts wrong, and you know better yourself, that indicates you’re trying to present voters will a false image of yourself.

Obama, on the other hand, has done much of what he promised to do, though not all. His policies actually worked, to the extent they could. And all the time, Republicans mounted a campaign of obstruction that destroyed 80% of the Democrat’s legislation before it got to a final vote in the Senate and his signature. So, while I acknowledge he didn’t succeed in everything he accomplish, I also don’t fail to note that Republicans put record breaking obstacles in his path, even as they now criticize him for falling short.

Nice racket, if you can get into it: sabotaging any recovery, most of the advancement of what the President promised, then turning around and holding him accountable for falling short.

Problem is, if you win, you have put forward policy yourself, and people have to like it.

Stephen, Obama‘s whole career is built on 5 second sound bites. The theft of $716 billion-

Liar. There was no theft. He saved money on that program, and put that saved money to use getting healthcare for more Americans. No benefits were harmed in the making of this law, so to speak. Meanwhile, your current golden boy pushed a budget that DOES steal benefits from the next generation of seniors, leaving them with a fixed-size benefit that anybody who knows the challenges seniors face knows won’t be enough. Worse than that, it’s not even indexed to inflation.

Your candidates are the thieves. Ours are simply the efficiency experts who came in and knocked off a lot of the unnecessary excessive expenses that your people wrote into the law, Ryan voting for it.

Liar. He acknowledged the hard work and sacrifice of people running businesses. He also acknowledged that there needs to be supportive environment, infrastructure, laws to regulate bad behavior so we don’t have another job killing crash because the Romney’s can’t help themselves.

You are very silly Stephen; once again your double standards are seen. If Obama actually “fessed” up to his agenda for America, he would never have been elected in the beginning.

Double standards? How about not imagining an agenda where none exists? If somebody had told me that a President could kill Bin Laden, save a domestic industry, and institute a long period of growth, and still be in doubt for the next election, I would have told you that you were crazy. The real truth is, Republicans have pounced on every policy and pre-declared it a failure, and pushed out these declarations to a captive audience taught to distrust sources without a Republican agenda.

The real hidden agenda is yours. Your people dress up crap in claims that jobs will be created, that the market will police itself, but the truth is, nothing will be done to help the middle class, just those who don’t actually need it. You’ll claim that your side will cut the budgets, that your side will balance everything, but I have yet to see anybody in my lifetime balance the budgets of a state or federal government doing things your way. Nobody likes taxes, but they are, properly timed, one crucial side of the budget coin, spending rates being the other side.

Anger is an emotion, and I have often accused you basing your judgments on emotion; thanks for the conformation. I hope you are talking about “kick every ass” as figurative. I have seen your picture on your profile and honestly Stephen, I don’t think you could “kick” your way out of a wet paper bag.

Oh no, I have emotions!

Wow, I got to lay down. I’m the only person in the world who feels anger. How terrible for my credibility.

Seriously, though, Emotions are part of the balance. People shouldn’t get to lie their asses off to succeed in an election, they shouldn’t get to repeat bull**** that crashed the economy and exploded the deficit the last time. I should be angry! If I’m not, then I’m just a pushover.

As for “kicking ass”? Actually, I’m on the flight over right now to personally deliver your ass-kicking to you.

Seriously, no, I’m not going to go all over the country delivering beatings. The absurdity of that comment being literal should be your first clue that it isn’t. I mean, what is “here?” Here is a ****ing website. Folks shouldn’t have to be telling you these things, and you shouldn’t be so desperate for a decent argument that you have to read crap into what people say that’s not there.

As for my actual physical strength? I developed early. When the bullies I faced in junior high came around trying to beat me up, they found somebody who threw their asses into each other, and who could grapple with them, rather than just get beat up, like they’d prefer to be able to do. When I finally got a face to face fight with just one person, I was the one who won. That was before I joined the football team, as a defensive lineman. As a defensive lineman, my first act was to run their center back several yards from the line, right into the quarterback. I had this technique for taking offensive lineman off their feet. I was aggressive then, as I am aggressive now.

But I’m a calmer kind of aggressive, usually. In this case, I make an exception, because I have a special hatred for people who spread bull**** slander about people.

You say my party’s the party of revisionist history. So, name the major components of the deficit, if you can, and we’ll see whose policies started this whole mess.

Yeah, that’s right, Medicare expansions, two wars, and not only things not paid for in either case with raised revenues, but all of it with a pair of tax cuts that get more and more expensive every year.

Your policies. But neither Ryan nor Romney will admit that, regardless of how much you accuse Democrats of revisionist history.

As for the sickness of the left?

People on the right support racial profiling. How does it instill pride in a person to be stopped on suspicion of having stolen your care if its a nice car?

People like you talk about folks as being lazy, wanting to lay around all day and gather a government check. That’s a big ego-booster, let me tell you.

I hear stuff from the right these days that I only encountered before in books about historical racism. And yet you say, yours is the racially enlightened party.

Well, your party has made its decision. It’s going to play off of racial animus, beating the dead welfare horse on false pretenses, while scaring Medicare seniors about benefits they won’t lose under our policies, but will lose under yours. For every ******* who takes a potshot at conservatives like Mia Love, there are dozens of people I’ve heard of, posting pictures of Obama as a witch doctor, with watermelon patches in front of the White Houses, with welfare bucks with fried chicken and other racist BS on them. Any time he makes even a common sense statement on racial relations in this country, Obama is criticized for playing the race card.

And why are your people going to do it? Because you burned your bridges with years of other such attacks, from Willie Horton to the Harold Ford “Call me!” ad.

As usual, the last people your party blames for alienating black people and hispanics, are themselves.

Tom Humes-
Call me back when you have actual points, rather than describing my argument negatively in the abstract.

kctim-

There are two things that are making the Republican Party less popular:
The lie that it is governments job to provide everything.
The lie that Republicans will take away everybodys freebies.
Now that half of the country is now dependent on government, more people are ready to trade freedoms for freebies so it is the liberals turn to be popular.

The real lie here is that Democrats actually want Government to provide everything. It’s no lie, though, that if you want that social safety net, the aid to the poor and the elderly, Republicans are going to seriously degrade it. The numbers alone tell you that.

Government should be there to improve the fortune of the general public, not to strangle it with a police state, but to keep it relatively ordered so people aren’t at each other’s throats. Real world, complex societies need some government in order to avoid collapse.

It’s also useful to have a government that promotes the arts and science, that helps improve the country’s commerce with other nations, standing up for our goods and services.

I don’t want this sick police state you’re imagining, and never have. It’s just what some people feed you to manipulate you emotionally into hardcore opposition to our policies.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 30, 2012 12:04 PM
Comment #351777

The Obama Campaign has to be saying, “You made this too easy!”

I especially like the part where they point out that Ryan was part of the Simpson Bowles commission and voted against the same recommendations.

Part of the problem of lying is that nobody has the imagination, attention to detail, or whatever else required to bury every fact that could come back to haunt them.

I mean, you have to be firing on all the cylinders of the Bull****mobile to get practically every publication out there trashing your speech’s dishonesty.

Even a FOXNews contributor got in the act:

On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.

One of the first things she mentions, the part of the speech that actually had me furiously shouting at the screen, was his attempt to blame Obama for the Debt Ceiling-driven downgrade.

Never mind that Congress could have ended that debacle long before it did. They pressed that crisis to its absolute limit, and even in the end, the Tea Party didn’t vote for the compromise. Some even said they wanted the nation to default, to stop it from spending more.

The Republican Party, I think, is recognizing that its real policies are so outside the pale that they can no longer sell them on their merits. Either they’re keeping them quiet, only offering people vague prescriptions on policies, or they’re trying to accuse the other side of being radicals, of being at fault for bad policies, so people won’t pay attention to what they’re actually doing.

The time for the lies to stop is now, and unlike many Republicans here who talk about Obama lying, I can produce evidence to back up my claims.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 30, 2012 12:29 PM
Comment #351778

SD

“The time for the lies to stop is now, and unlike many Republicans here who talk about Obama lying, I can produce evidence to back up my claims.”

I too can produce the evidence that Obama was and is lying. That is no brainer.

Then mister high and mighty, lead the way.

That will never happen.

Maranatha

Posted by: tom humes at August 30, 2012 2:15 PM
Comment #351779

Stephen

If you don’t want government providing everything, why do you fight for legislation that mandates it does?

Sorry, but claiming Republicans will do away with or “degrade” our safety nets is a lie. They want to reform them, but since it is not how you approve of, you lie to scare up support for your big government solution.

“The numbers alone tell you that.”

I know you don’t agree, but projected numbers alone do not tell us anything. There are still many of us who do not base their happiness on what is given to them.

“Government should be there to improve the fortune of the general public”

You are of course wrong. It is governments job to run government, not lives. It is your personal responsibility to improve fortune or yourself and others. It was made that way because “fortune” can be defined in many ways. For you, it is what is given to you, for me, it is my rights and freedoms.

“not to strangle it with a police state, but to keep it relatively ordered so people aren’t at each other’s throats.”

Forced compliance through the use of government mandates, strangles all who oppose it. That forced compliance has us at each other’s throats right now.

“Real world, complex societies need some government in order to avoid collapse.”

NOBODY serious has ever said otherwise. Claiming Republicans do not want government is just another leftist lie. You know almost every American believes in limited government and individual freedoms and you can’t have voters knowing that is what Republicans believe.

“I don’t want this sick police state you’re imagining, and never have.”

No Stephen, you don’t want what you think would be a “sick police state.” The problem is that one mans freedom is another mans tyranny. That is why our founders made individual rights such an important part of our founding.

“It’s just what some people feed you to manipulate you emotionally into hardcore opposition to our policies.”

It’s actually quite the opposite. You see Stephen, I can think for myself so therefore I cannot be manipulated by the lefts lies and propaganda. I am willing to question what you say and point out where and why your policies are wrong for our country.
My “hardcore” opposition to your policies is based on their history of failure. On what they take from us in order to be implemented and on the devestation they lead to.

And for the record, liberals are the last who should be talking about emotional opposition or support. Your entire agenda is all about legislating by emotion.

Posted by: kctim at August 30, 2012 2:46 PM
Comment #351781

tom humes-

I too can produce the evidence that Obama was and is lying. That is no brainer.
Then mister high and mighty, lead the way.

WTF. I’ve provided articles worth of links discussing matters. You? You just say, “I can prove Obama’s a liar.”

Then Crickets.

kctim-

Sorry, but claiming Republicans will do away with or “degrade” our safety nets is a lie. They want to reform them, but since it is not how you approve of, you lie to scare up support for your big government solution.

Republicans have repeatedly opposed extending unemployment benefits in this time of high unemployment, something even they haven’t had the stupidity to do before. Food Stamps and other poverty benefits were targets for cuts, Social Security Benefits are being taken off their defined benefit status, and being turned into a privatized market gamble.

And Medicare? I know you keep on insisting that the rest of us join in your political correctness and equate this with what the Obama Administration did through the ACA, but that just isn’t true. Ryan’s budget creates a radical shift from a defined benefit package, where seniors essentially get their needs taken care of directly, to a privatized voucher, one that only takes care of a limited amount of expense, and which will not be indexed to regular inflation, much less the cost of medical expenses.

Reduced benefits, failure to index to actual costs, forced reliance on systems that have been known to fail to reign in costs or keep stable value.

Degradation, if you honestly look at it.

Don’t kid yourself, though, about big government solutions. All Ryan’s done is put a gloss of private sector over what’s still taxpayer money being handed out. Only he’s helping to kick money to the special interests, rather than insist on more fair and equitable cost management. It’s the oddest thing that you say there’s too much waste in government, and government programs, but you holler bloody murder when somebody tries to do something about it.

“Government should be there to improve the fortune of the general public” You are of course wrong. It is governments job to run government, not lives. It is your personal responsibility to improve fortune or yourself and others. It was made that way because “fortune” can be defined in many ways. For you, it is what is given to you, for me, it is my rights and freedoms.

Hairsplitting. We don’t hire government to sit in the corner and play with itself. Washington himself got behind a proposal to fund a road through his new nation. Lincoln’s government backed the transcontinental railroad, and Eisenhower backed the Interstate Highways system.

These aren’t often things private individuals would make, and if they did, they’d play robber baron on it, impeding the flow of commerce.

This not the old west. Most of the population isn’t out by itself, no utilities, no water or sewer. Most people are now urban and suburban, and the nation needs organizing along those lines.

As for thinking for yourself?

I have yet to really see you take a critical eye to most of what these people are saying. You’re fully willing to accept any number of canards, so long as the source is acceptably conservative. You’ve made a captive audience out of yourself, and the people backing the folks handing you your information are the folks you cynically despise.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 30, 2012 3:21 PM
Comment #351782

Crickets to ya big boy. Silence is golden.

Maranatha

Posted by: tom humes at August 30, 2012 3:39 PM
Comment #351785

From the looks of this thread the right sure is feeling bold at convention time. Wow. I wonder how bold they’ll feel then the race is just as close in November as it is now with Obama still the likely winner?

Ryan gave a major speech riddled with complete lies and instead of feeling the shame they should feel they all just cheer with excitement! Yay! Conservatives! Woo! Their response to Stephen pointing out these lies? They call us scared. I think they’re projecting, honestly. They talk about polls in “freefall” as if polls have changed any recently to amount to much.

Personally I know I’m not scared. Democrats should see three outcomes in front of them.

1. Obama wins, the right cries, America wins
2. Romney wins, does an OK job, America wins
3. Romney wins, is as lousy as Bush was, Democrats return to power, America wins

I’ll be disappointed if Obama loses but I won’t be crushed. The only way Obama can protect his legacy from the right wing liars that are spending millions to defeat him is to win and get four more years while we grow our economy, cut the deficit, cut the debt, and let Obama take credit for like he deserves.

Posted by: Adam Ducker at August 30, 2012 4:33 PM
Comment #351786

Stephen, who cares what Palin did with the bridge to nowhere? Palin is history; we are in the 2012 election, not the2008.

I don’t deny that Obama has done what he said he would do. The problem is, most Americans didn’t know it would lead to the demise of America as we know it. He said he would destroy fossil fuel production, raise the cost of energy, he would lead the government in a takeover of the US banking system and the auto industry, he said he would fundamentally change America, he promised to destroy capitalism, to institute a socialist HC system, to place Americans on welfare and food stamps, yes Stephen, he is batting a hundred.

Stephen, you are the liar; Obama stole $716 billion to prop up Obamacare and fudge the CBO numbers.

Sorry Stephen, I had to just skim over the rest of your bullshit comments. It’s just one accusation after another with you. Grow up…

This is what it all boils down to…the left is cracking…losing it…going nuts…half a bubble off. The left, liberal media is going crazy about the speeches at the RNC convention. They are great, they show the country the real Obama; and the left is terrified. All you have is personal attacks, they are not working, and Obama cannot run on his record.

“Even a FOXNews contributor got in the act:

On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.

One of the first things she mentions, the part of the speech that actually had me furiously shouting at the screen, was his attempt to blame Obama for the Debt Ceiling-driven downgrade.”

Stephen, you are an absolute piece of shit. You are deceptive and worthy of being called a dumbass liberal hack. You make this comment as if it is coming from a Fox News person. Sally Kohn appears on Fox News just like your twin brother, Alan Combs. They are liberal hacks who spend their life personally attacking conservatives. It is an Opinion, just like this opinion by Karl Rove:

“With Ryan on ticket, Romney will make campaign about big ideas”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/11/with-ryan-on-ticket-romney-will-make-campaign-about-big-ideas/#ixzz2540athzs

Can we assume you agree with Karl Rove too???

Stephen, you just tried to deceive us with a lie, as if it is from Fox News, and then you come out with this statement:

“The time for the lies to stop is now, and unlike many Republicans here who talk about Obama lying, I can produce evidence to back up my claims.”

What a dumbass!

Obama lies, easy…just Google Obama lies:

http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies

Below is a list of Obama’s documented lies so far with the most recent lies first. If you see we are missing a documented lie Submit the lie here.

Lies During Fourth Year

“I am told that Governor Romney’s new running mate, Paul Ryan, might be around Iowa the next few days,” he said while in Council Bluffs, Iowa. “He is one of the leaders of Congress standing in the way. So if you happen to see Congressman Ryan, tell him how important this farm bill is to Iowa and our rural communities.”
House passed bill on August 2, 2012 (Paul Ryan voted yes)

The American automobile industry has come roaring back…So now I want to say what we did with the auto industry, we can do it in manufacturing across America. Let’s make sure advanced, high-tech manufacturing jobs take root here, not in China. And that means supporting investment here. Governor Romney … invested in companies that were called ‘pioneers’ of outsourcing. I don’t want to outsource. I want to insource.
Forbes- Outsourcer-In-Chief: Obama Of General Motors

“You Didn’t Build that”
A few examples

Lies During Third Year

I will walk on that picket line with you, if workers are denied the right to bargain.
Youtube

In his 2012 State of the Union Address, President Obama said that American oil production is the highest that it’s been in eight years.
www.breitbart.com

I’ve done more for Israel’s security than any President ever
Obama aided Islamic Extremists take over of Egypt/ Libya – Weapons pour into Gaza

Virtually every Senate Republican voted against the tax cut last week
Examiner

“Every idea that we’ve put forward are ones that traditionally have been supported by Democrats and Republicans alike.”
Like Raising taxes?

Obama met highly qualified out of work teacher Robert Baroz
He wasn’t out of work and Obama never met him.

GOP Responsible for Obama Jobs Bill Not Passing
Dems Rejected Jobs Bill

You have 80 percent of the American people who support a balanced approach. Eighty percent of the American people support an approach that includes revenues and includes cuts. So the notion that somehow the American people aren’t sold is not the problem
Gallup Poll: Only 69%

These are obligations that the United States has taken on in the past. Congress has run up the credit card, and we now have an obligation to pay our bills.
Looks like it’s been incurred mostly in the years of Obama

Jobs Bill Paid for
Seems not so much Paid for

Then you’ve got their(GOP)which is dirtier air, dirtier water, less people with health insurance
Barack Obama, campaiging in Asheville, NC, 10/17/11

I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven’t resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it.
American.com

USA producing more oil than ever before
Petroleum Insights

Fence between US and Mexico is “Practically Complete”
Department of Homeland Security says 5%

Rich doesn’t pay their fair share.
National Taxpayers Union

Mitt Romney would deny gay people the right to adopt children.
Cnn Interview

Lies During Second Year

Obama claimed the SCOTUS decision in Citizens United v. FEC, “open[ed] the floodgates for special interests — including foreign corporations — to spend without limit in our elections.
nationalreview.com

No signing statements to nullify or undermine congressional instructions as enacted into law
Obama Lies to Keep Czars

No “boots” on the ground Libya
Anyone that has worked with the AC-130 gunship can tell you, you need spotters to let aircraft know where the targets are. Usually it is Special Forces, Rangers etc trained for this mission. It’s CIA Agents in Libya on the ground

Reform will also rein in the abuse and excess that nearly brought down our financial system. It will finally bring transparency to the kinds of complex, risky transactions that helped trigger the financial crisis.
Obama Lies About Financial Reform Bill

All Americans WILL BE were, “surprised, disappointed and angry” about lockerbie bomber
Obama Memo

I will not rest until the BP Oil Spill stops
Obama’s Schedule

The health care bill will not increase the deficit by one dime.
Campaign and Presidency

If you like the health care plan you have you can keep it
TownHall

“Under our plan, no federal dollars will be used to fund abortions, and federal conscience laws will remain in place.”
U.S. Capitol, Washington, D.C., September 9, 2009.

ObamaCare Fee is not a new tax
Obama denies healthcare is a new tax on all Americans

We have run out of places in the US to drill for oil.
Obama’s oval office speech in June 2010

Now suddenly if you don’t have your papers and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you can be harassed, that’s something that could potentially happen.
Arizona Immigration Law

Doctors choose amputation because they get better compensation. Greedy Doctors taking out tonsils for more money.
Claims never documented



The Health Care Package will pay for itself
Time

Republicans don’t have a single idea that’s different from George Bush’s ideas — not one.
Hmm Immigration?



We shouldn’t Mandate the purchase of health care
Democratic Debate Lies

Obama says he’ll save average family $8,000 in gas
Video Proof

I am immediately instituting PayGo “Pay as you go”
Said during a speech immediately after the Trillion Dollar “Shovel Ready” bill.

I got the Message from Massachusetts
Daily Bail

Lies During First Year

We began by passing a Recovery Act that has already saved or created over 150,000 jobs.” – caught cooking the books and now changed to ‘jobs supported’ versus ‘created/saved’
AP fact Checker

Number one, we inherited a $1.3 trillion deficit. … That wasn’t me.” – Congress, under Democratic control in 2007 and 2008, controlled the purse strings that led to the deficit Obama inherited.Obama supported the emergency bailout package in Bush’s final months — a package Democratic leaders wanted to make bigger.
AP fact Checker

Collective salvation
Obama calls himself a Christian

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
Obama Inauguration. 20 Jan 2009

Cut Deficit in Half by end of first term
Associated Press Video

Health Care deals will be covered on C-span
Obama Lies

As President I will recognize the Armenian Genocide
ABC



Recovery Act will save or create jobs
ABC News

Unemployment rate will be 8.5% without stimulus.
Obama Lies

No Earmarks in the $787 Billion Stimulus
CNN

I happen to be a proponent of a single payer universal health care plan
Specator.Org

We have launched a housing plan that will help responsible families facing the threat of foreclosure lower their monthly payments and refinance their mortgages.
Obama Lies

I am not somebody who promotes same-sex marriage.
NPR

Guantanamo bay to be closed within a year
Council on Foreign Relations.

Won’t Raise taxes on those making less than 250,000 per year.
Businessweek: Obama Agnostic on taxes
List of Tax Promise Violations

2008 Campaign Lies

I will walk the picket line with you, if workers are denied the right to bargain
Youtube

No more wiretapping of citizens
Youtube

Mr. Ayers as “a guy who lives in my neighborhood,” but “not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.
News Busters

I had a uncle who was one of the, who was part of the first American troops to go into Auschwitz and liberate the concentration camps
United States Holocaust Memorial Museum

Obama campaign would accept public funding
ABC

Minimum Wage will increase to $9.50/hr
A Socialist

Ann Dunham spent the months before her death in 1995 fighting with insurance companies that sought to deny her the coverage she needed to pay for treatment.
Mounting Heath Care Lies

Didn’t know Jeremiah Wright was Radical
Dreams of My Father – A radical Socialist.

Would have the most transparent administration in History
Cato Institute

We will go through our federal budget – page by page, line by line – eliminating those programs we don’t need, and insisting that those we do operate in a sensible cost-effective way.
Boston Globe

I have visited all 57 states.
Snopes

I’ll get rid of earmarks
Source: Any bill passed during presidency

When a bill lands on my Desk, The American people will have 5 days to review it before I sign it.
Campaign Speech

My father served in World War II.
The Videos and the Facts

Have troops out of Iraq by March 31, 2009
News Video

Seniors Making less than 50,000 will not have to pay taxes
YouTube

Would not vote for any bill supporting troop funding without a firm withdrawal commitment from the Bush Administration.
He has done nothing but continue the Bush admins strategy and to explain how the “surges total failure” has now become his greatest achievement.

Present Votes Are Common In Illinois
NPR

I Won Michigan
Huffington Post

I won Nevada
The Nation

I don’t Have Lobbyists
US News

My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad
Crooks and Liars

I Have Always Been Against Iraq
Washington Post

My Wife Didn’t Mean What She Said About Pride In Country
CNN

Barack was never an ACORN trainer and never worked for ACORN in any other capacity.
Obama Campaign Video

I Barely Know Rezko
Sun Times

My Church Is Like Any Other Christian Church
ABC News

Posted by: Frank at August 30, 2012 4:42 PM
Comment #351787

The New Republic: The Most Dishonest Convention Speech … Ever?

Posted by: Adrienne at August 30, 2012 4:55 PM
Comment #351790

Adrienne links us to another fact filled opinion by a liberal blogger who is in panic mode. I hope, when Romney wins this elecion, and Obama is sent packing back to the rock he crawled out from under in Chicago, that we will no longer have to listen to the unintelligent, liberal, obtuse, verbose comments of the likes of Adrienne and Daugherty. At least for a couple of weeks, before their liberal hacks attacks begin all over again.

Posted by: Frank at August 30, 2012 5:06 PM
Comment #351791

Stephen

Simple question about your beliefs and what you think Obama believes.

You get on the “you didn’t build it comment.” How do you feel about the alternative?

Do you believe that those who have businesses did indeed build them and that they deserve the success they have achieved? If you agree with this, you must also acknowledge their contribution to our society. So how much more is their “fair share” to pay above those who did not build a business or achieve success?

Posted by: C&J at August 30, 2012 5:08 PM
Comment #351793

C&J: “So how much more is their ‘fair share’ to pay above those who did not build a business or achieve success?”

The real question is who is calling for more taxes on businesses?

Posted by: Adam Ducker at August 30, 2012 5:27 PM
Comment #351795

Frank-
I bring up Palin to illustrate the way I tend to judge the opposition. Folks who feel the need to crowd their statements with lies are not folks who believe people will think much of their real records.

The problem is, most Americans didn’t know it would lead to the demise of America as we know it.

GAAAAAAAAAAA- Takes in a breath - AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA- Another breath -AAAAAAAAASP!

I’m sorry for being so silly, but really. It hasn’t lead to the demise of America as we know. If anything might do that, it’s the GOP. The last generation of Republicans helped defeat communism. This generation of the GOP is helping to defeat capitalism instead.

He said he would destroy fossil fuel production.

Bull****. He said he would diversify America’s energy sources. That he did.

raise the cost of energy

By that, do you mean the cap and trade system? That’s a conservative system you know, encouraging greater efficiency through market mechanisms. Too bad principles no longer dictate Republican policies, only mindless opposition to liberals.

he would lead the government in a takeover of the US banking system

Bull****. He did promised nothing of the sort, only the institution of rules of the road. He also did not nationalize the banks, so this is a lie on your part.

and the auto industry
Also in private hands, largely with the Government invested in non-voting stock meant to pay back the taxpayers of America for their generosity.
he said he would fundamentally change America, he promised to destroy capitalism, to institute a socialist HC system, to place Americans on welfare and food stamps, yes Stephen, he is batting a hundred.

He said the first, most definitely never said the second, specifically rejected single payer healthcare, and it was the ****ing economy that left millions on food stamps. Welfare, as TANF, only gets distributed to mothers who also have to work while they get their benefits. Funny how people like yourself forget the particulars of welfare reform, since its one of your policy triumphs.

Stephen, you are the liar; Obama stole $716 billion to prop up Obamacare and fudge the CBO numbers.

He saved 716 billion over ten years to PAY, PAY for his new program, ironically much of that savings coming out of programs Republicans refused to pay for when they instituted them.

I know you seem to want to demonize nearly every normal operation of government, but two things should be pointed out to you. First is that your darling Paul Ryan counts these savings as part of his budget, so your policy is no different from Obama, and you’re dirty stinking thieves if we’re dirty stinking thieves. Second, what we did, in finding money elsewhere to pay for our new program, was ten times more fiscally sound than your deficit-broadening decision not to pay for a damn thing! And we extended, EXTENDED the life of the program doing it.

As for fudging the CBO numbers? Ryan, to support his budget, handed the CBO economic figures that depended on revenues always being 20% of GDP, and unemployment getting down to 2.8% in the years ahead. Full employment is about 5%. And even with this ridiculous calculation, he still takes thirty years to get back to breaking even, to balance the budget.

I’m no liar, I’m just a truthteller you can’t intimidate.

Sorry Stephen, I had to just skim over the rest of your bullshit comments. It’s just one accusation after another with you. Grow up…

That’s just fine, I’ll skip your lazy, copypasted BS.

Stephen, you are an absolute piece of s***.

Really. I hadn’t noticed. So you say Sally Kohn is your token liberal, hmm? Well, you ought to have at least one person to tell your people that your golden boy wall-to-walled his speech with lies. Even the news media, typically trying to find balance, just threw its hands up and noted many of your candidate’s blatant dishonesties.

Can we assume you agree with Karl Rove too???

Hmm. a question with three question marks on it. Must be very important.

No. Just saying that the reek of his dishonesty even made it past the FOXNews folks. It’s no lie to say its on FOXNews’ site.

As I said before, I’m going to ignore your “Obama lies”, since you couldn’t be bothered to discuss what items I actually put forward. If you want to have an actual discussion, be my guest. If you want to lazily copy off Republican sites you’re mistakenly thinking give out this stuff for free? No.

C&J-
Playing the class warfare card, right?

Obama’s done a lot to promote small business and entrepreneurs. It’s only despicably dishonest propaganda that says he disparages that.

So I don’t were his conflict, or my conflict with those people building their businesses is. As a matter of fact, his policy proposals would help more small business owners to build more, to hire more, to give their workers healthcare.

Your side? Well, if we keep on with the policies of Bush, we’ll se what we saw with Bush: the decline of small businesses in America. You pose yourself as the better alternative, but we have to ignore your record to believe that.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 30, 2012 5:41 PM
Comment #351796

Steve Rattner: Administration didn’t make the decision which plants stayed open, which closed.

Money quote:

“We did not get involved with individual plant decisions in the auto task force,” Rattner said in an interview with TPM. “So I find it ironic that Paul Ryan, who thinks the government should stay out of all this, was nonetheless lobbying to change that decision.”

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 30, 2012 5:44 PM
Comment #351807
Adrienne links us to another fact filled opinion by a liberal blogger who is in panic mode.

Oh I see. Anything opinion that’s liberal has to be wrong? Okay, then how about some criticism from Fox News?:
Fox News’ Sally Kohn: Paul Ryan’s RNC Speech ‘Was Attempt To Set World Record For Blatant Lies’

Posted by: Adrienne at August 30, 2012 6:59 PM
Comment #351810

Adrienne

It makes no diffenence what the network is. Sally Kohn is a left wing liberal. Yes she is a contributor from time to time, something most networks don’t allow to happen.

Maranatha

Posted by: tom humes at August 30, 2012 7:25 PM
Comment #351811
Sally Kohn is a left wing liberal

Oh I see — if she’s on the left she has to be wrong? Well then, how about rightwingers like Fox News’Chris Wallace and Mark Halperin?

“There are some things that I think were factually questionable,” said Fox News anchor Chris Wallace on Thursday, adding himself to the list of unexpected journalists to question the accuracy of the would-be vice president’s arguments.

Time magazine’s Mark Halperin added on MSNBC that “there’s lots of substantive flaws to what he talked about.”

Posted by: Adrienne at August 30, 2012 7:32 PM
Comment #351813

Well Stephen does not want to defend the lies of Obama; and I gave quite a list.

Sally Kohn has the same disease as SD and Adrienne…it’s called Terminal Idiocy Disease (TDI). The only cure is a complete brain transplant. Since this operation has not been done yet, we have to conclude the disease terminal.

Posted by: Frank at August 30, 2012 8:25 PM
Comment #351815

Frank-
All this outrage, after you outright said that you skimmed over what I wrote. Well, I decided a bunch of unelaborated, most likely partisan “facts” weren’t worth my time to research to debunk, if you weren’t going to bother with the things I wrote.

I’ve taking the time and effort to research my claims. Do more than just skip to the end and insult me, and I might engage your claims on a more serious level.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 30, 2012 9:01 PM
Comment #351820

Stephen

Just answer the question so we can see where/if/how we disagree:

Do you believe that those who have businesses did indeed build them and that they deserve the success they have achieved? If you agree with this, you must also acknowledge their contribution to our society. So how much more is their “fair share” to pay above those who did not build a business or achieve success?

Posted by: C&J at August 30, 2012 10:38 PM
Comment #351841

C&J-
I think people are responsible for their businesses, for the most part. However, no man or woman can will a company into existence. they need a government, first and foremost to help them create whatever entity or partnership is being set up. They need law and order around them, so they can keep the fruits of their labor, rather than have it stolen, or their property destroyed by the more chaotic elements of society. They need good financial regulations so that the banks and markets they depend on don’t crash and penalize them for the mistakes of others.

They need all the infrastructure that builds the roads to their businesses, keeps the lights on, brings the fresh, safe water to their business, and takes the sewage away. If they’re doing business, sometimes they need a convention center, or a stadium, or something else built on their behalf.

And sometimes, like one of the Businesswomen who criticized Obama for the “You didn’t build that” line, they need a little assistance, or they want a little assistance, especially in hard times. Sometimes they need their suppliers to be held to a high standard, or vendors who cheat them to be held liable.

You can’t win in business without your own personal skill and determination to succeed. But you’ll never be able to succeed in business without the foundation for a stable society, an honest and accountable business world, and the infrastructure to make the basic business possible, accessible, and safe.

Nobody built the internet by themselves, or the Interstate Highway system. Most didn’t even build the roads that come to their front door, whether that’s their business or their residence.

Yes, they contribute. Yes, their individual activity matters. But it occurs in a context they themselves didn’t create, and the existence of that space of collective and/or external actions on the part of others tells us that it’s rather foolish to believe, like many Randians do, that everything that matters for your success comes from within. At the very least, we have to say that somebody else has to do their job as well, whether that’s the private citizen or the government, in order for our businesses to come about, survive, and endure.

If you have doubts about that, look at what happens to society in the wake of a storm. Your dependence on other people, not just yourself, is pretty much highlighted when you go to the grocery store to find it dark, the goods all canned and limited in stock because that’s what’s left.

I lived through Ike, through about a couple weeks worth of absent power and short supplies. I saw roads blocked and powerlines down. I saw what people can do to adapt, and contrary to some of the blowhards here, I recognize the need for individual skill and initiative. But there are natural limits to what we do by ourselves, and whether it’s officially or unofficially, people have to band together to survive and recover.

To reduce the complexity of what Obama tried to say, that truth he gave out, down to a nonsensical position like the Romney camp has claimed, is not only wrong and a lie, but worse yet, it’s converse notion is a bad idea: The notion that you build a business, but you don’t need stable markets, big infrastructure, law and order, and all the other things your taxes pay for. I mean, how much tougher would it be for many business owners to develop their business if they had to expend their money to help support their now destitute parents, or to pay for the healthcare of their elderly relatives? We take on such burdens together as a way of freeing ourselves of having to take on such burdens individual, without the inhumanity of abandoning them to their own devices.

That’s what makes Ryan’s plan both wrong as policies, and wrong as moral practice. Who do you think will end up having to make up for the shortfalls of a social security trading account whose owner made the wrong decisions, or the medicare voucher whose payment wasn’t enough to get all the coverage necessary?

People built their businesses, and but could not have built their businesses without others to help them at critical places.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 31, 2012 8:52 AM
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Stephen, so when Obama said in 2008 :

And I believe that if our government is there to support you, and give you the assistance you need to re-tool and make this transition, that this plant will be here for another hundred years. The question is not whether a clean energy economy is in our future, it’s where it will thrive. I want it to thrive right here in the United States of America; right here in Wisconsin; and that’s the future I’ll fight for as your President.

he was pretty much talking out of his ass, right?

Just wanted to make sure we were both on the same page here…

Basically, if the government is there to help you, and I’ll fight for this future for you, but when push comes to shove I’ll sit back and do nothing?

Sounds about right…

Posted by: Rhinehold at August 31, 2012 10:26 AM
Comment #351846

SD: You wrote a lot, but didn;t answer the question CJ posed in comment 351820 and 351791. I am also curious. We know that the Democrats don’t think the upper tier taxpayers pay enough. How much would satisfy you?

Posted by: Mike in Tampa at August 31, 2012 11:03 AM
Comment #351872

Stephen

I think I have found the major source of your mistakes. You say “Your dependence on other people, not just yourself, is pretty much highlighted when you go to the grocery store to find it dark, the goods all canned and limited in stock because that’s what’s left.”

And you are right. You assume that people on the right don’t think they need others and don’t want to help others. This is proved wrong again and again when we see that conservatives are more likely than liberals to support charities, volunteer for the military and even give blood.

The difference between liberal and conservatives is NOT that liberals are selfless and conservatives are selfish. On the contrary, experience shows conservatives MORE likely to work in cooperative groups. The difference is that you want to rely on government as the chief organizer. Conservatives know that MOST cooperation and help comes from people organizing w/o much government direction.

Your example is telling. The grocery store is run by private enterprise. It is true that government provides order and law, but it does not manage the goods and services. When government does try to do things like that, we get horrible shortages.

The empty dark shops we see in the U.S. after a big storm would be the normal situation if government ran things, as it tried in the old communist countries. In these places where government ran things, you often didn’t have electrical power. We have not seen this so much since socialism collapsed after 1989 and some people have forgotten how bad it was in those benighted countries run by the commies.

Re Obama - I don’t think he understood the lesson from the collapse of socialism in the 1980s. In many ways he is a throwback to the 1970s. Some parts of academia never gave up on those lefty ideas and that is where Obama grew up.

YOur comment re “support their now destitute parents, or to pay for the healthcare of their elderly relatives?” does not take up the right line. Medicare “as we know it” is doomed. Obama and you might want to have the system as it existed in 2002, but we cannot have it. Conditions have changed. Medicare as we know it will end under Obama as it would under others.

Posted by: C&J at August 31, 2012 6:52 PM
Comment #351887

Rhinehold-
Your argument is inconsistent, as is Paul Ryan’s policy. No socialism, except for my district!

The President made the decision to let GM work out the details of what it would do in its structured bankruptcy, to let GM decide which plants to close. Are you advocating that he should have just gone full socialist, and just bailout every factory? Should he have micromanaged?

Or is the fact that any factories avoided shutting down a consequence of him actually taking my advice instead of yours or Romney?

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 31, 2012 10:17 PM
Comment #351888

Mitt Romney likes to say he won’t “apologize” for his success in business. But what he never says is “thank you” – to the American people – for the federal bailout of Bain & Company that made so much of his outsize wealth possible.

According to the candidate’s mythology, Romney took leave of his duties at the private equity firm Bain Capital in 1990 and rode in on a white horse to lead a swift restructuring of Bain & Company, preventing the collapse of the consulting firm where his career began. When The Boston Globe reported on the rescue at the time of his Senate run against Ted Kennedy, campaign aides spun Romney as the wizard behind a “long-shot miracle,” bragging that he had “saved bank depositors all over the country $30 million when he saved Bain & Company.”

In fact, government documents on the bailout obtained by Rolling Stone show that the legend crafted by Romney is basically a lie. The federal records, obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, reveal that Romney’s initial rescue attempt at Bain & Company was actually a disaster – leaving the firm so financially strapped that it had “no value as a going concern.” Even worse, the federal bailout ultimately engineered by Romney screwed the FDIC – the bank insurance system backed by taxpayers – out of at least $10 million. And in an added insult, Romney rewarded top executives at Bain with hefty bonuses at the very moment that he was demanding his handout from the feds.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-federal-bailout-that-saved-mitt-romney-20120829#ixzz25BJkONbq

Posted by: Michael at August 31, 2012 10:36 PM
Comment #351892

C&J-
The goods were nonperishable, because the power grid failed, and stayed failed for days on end, so anything frozen was thrown out. Supplies had a hard time coming in because roads were blocked with debris, and traffic lights were knocked out.

Our dependence on exterior networks of supplies, communications, and energy is, in the modern day, a reality. Go take a look at the way energy prices rise, a result of critical infrastructure being ground to a halt by the storm, the rigs, the pipelines, the refineries, etc.

If we pretend that we are invulnerable to these disruptions, it doesn’t change our true situation. It doesn’t relieve us of our need to depend upon the banks, the brokers, and other agents of the economy. Long story short, there’s little avoiding contacts with other people and other forces that can mean success or failure for our businesses.

What you are supporting with this convention is a false sense of independence, a false sense that effort and virtue alone can allow good businesspersons to win. Unfortunately, your system has a way of striking at them first.

What should have become a time of reflection on the financial errors that almost led us to ruin, is becoming a new season of senseless resistance to reform. It’s not merely been “bury your heads in the sand”, it’s “bury your heads in the sand and ignore the high tide that’s coming.”

I mean, part of the point of the entry I posted after this was to point out that Mitt Romney’s original plan to save Bain Company from bankruptcy was a spectacular failure, almost rendered the company less than a going concern. If Romney indulges the Wall Street Types, lets them get out of control again, and another, perhaps deeper crash happens again, what do you think happens to free market economics as you know and love it?

It’s dead. It might have been dead at this point, if it weren’t for Obama’s intervention. Socialism might have ended up the only viable alternative. The point of what people like me do is to provide an alternative to either extreme, to excess collectivism and excessive individualism, to remind and constrain the individual for the good of the public, but also to constrain the extent of the micromanagement to ensure the markets have the freedom to adjust and adapt.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 31, 2012 10:53 PM
Comment #351966

You can go on all you want. The Republican Party does not meet the needs of the majority of Americans. We don’t share those beliefs. When Obama is reelected in the Fall, we will have compassion and strength guiding us through the mess the Republicans have gotten us into. They should be ashamed for not voting for and turning down excellent bills that would have alleviated American pain. And for inflicting their religious beliefs on people who do not accept them. Shame on them.

Posted by: feyindie60 at September 1, 2012 10:29 PM
Comment #351970

And what “excellent bills” are you talking about? The president don’t pass bills, congress does. It’s been over 3 years since Reid submitted a budget bill. Obama’s budget was voted down 100% by democrats twice. Come back when you have a grasp of how the government works.

Posted by: BIF at September 1, 2012 11:42 PM
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