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“Todd Akin doesn’t even have his back covered by other Republicans for the comments he made, and some have even requested that Akin withdraw from the election.”

That is because he doesn’t speak for all Republicans, any more than Wright, Ayers or Rezko spoke for Obama. The guilt by association is silly. You guys want to make this a general issue, but it is not.

Your guy, Joe Biden makes racist comments using old black dialect about chains and you don’t complain about that. This guy is actually on the ticket. Let’s make a deal: you don’t vote for Biden and I won’t vote for Akin. We will get both idiots out of office.

Jack, there is a world of difference between Biden’s gaffe and Akins obviously well thought out statement. I think you are less than genuine in your attempt to disassociate Akins from mainstream republican ideology. The extremists that have taken over the conservative movement do by and large seem to hold very similar philosophy when it comes to gender issues. I think it is clearly evident that women in their eyes need to be supervised by men when it comes to sexual issues. They may not represent the views of all conservatives but they certainly do manage to hold the country hostage in efforts to make those views policy. And yes they do belong to the GOP.

Another attempt by Stephen to move the conversation from Obama’s failed presidency to a democrat talking point.

What Stephen s really upset about is the conservative’s call for Akin to drop out. Now he’s upset because the Republicans don’t have his back. Come on Stephen, get a life; what would you be saying if the Republicans supported him?

Rickil, I am black, and I find Biden’s continued racial comments to be very offensive. This isn’t his first time making racial comments. The left dismisses them as the gaffs of the crazy old uncle, but this crazy old uncle is one heartbeat away from the presidency of the US. Don’t you find that disturbing?

This is a key comment, “The extremists that have taken over the conservative movement”; it is a comment that all libs on WB are making and it shows a real fear, by the left, of the Tea Party conservatives. First the TP was attacked as being “Astroturf”, then it was claimed to be a “flash in the pan” that will disappear; now they are attacked as the policy makers of the Republican Party.

The main difference is that Democrats aren’t typically rewarded for saying stupid things.

Rep. Todd Akin doesn’t even have his back covered by other Republicans for the comments he made, and some have even requested that Akin withdraw from the election.

Missouri has to be ashamed of this guy, but at this rate he’s doing a great job confirming the Republican Party’s war on women.

First, Stephen tells us that the equivalency doesn’t exist between conservatives and progressives because when a progressive says something terrible, they aren’t ‘rewarded’.

Then he goes on to admit that the conservatives are not standing behind Akin’s idiotic statements.

THEN, he tells us that this is ‘part of the Republican Party’s war on women’.

This is modern, partisan politics. Stephen is one of the lead practitioners, not even being able to acknowledge that the conservatives agree that the statement was idiotic.

Oh, and to him Obama and Biden get a pass on their statements that do reflect their views (that government is more responsible for our daily existence than it really is and conservatives want to enslave people) because… well, because they are progressives.

Rep. Steve King, another member of the Tea Party Caucus today:

Rep. Steve King, one of the most staunchly conservative members of the House, was one of the few Republicans who did not strongly condemn Rep. Todd Akin Monday for his remarks regarding pregnancy and rape. King also signaled why — he might agree with parts of Akin’s assertion.

King told an Iowa reporter he’s never heard of a child getting pregnant from statutory rape or incest.

“Well I just haven’t heard of that being a circumstance that’s been brought to me in any personal way,” King told KMEG-TV Monday, “and I’d be open to discussion about that subject matter.”

The Tea Party Caucus is the gift that keeps on giving. I’m waiting on Bachmann to weigh in soon.

Hi guys. Stephen Daugherty here, speaking for Stephen Daugherty. I’m known for such golden oldies as… Well, say, my last few blog entries.

I’m here to say, if you’ll take two seconds to notice, that I am not the author of this entry.

So, if you’ve been bashing me for the last few comments, you’ve been doing a bit of shadowboxing.

Adam Ducker-
Yeah, that’s thing about those folks: they’re too busy being self-righteous to notice that they have to appeal any broader than their own group.

Whoops, Stephen, you are right, I misattributed two quotes to you that weren’t yours.

So, let’s just deal with the one that is…

The main difference is that Democrats aren’t typically rewarded for saying stupid things.

And here we have a great example of how the right is pouncing on a conservative who says stupid things, not rewarding him.

Just something to chew upon, I guess.

Maybe it is just hard to tell one of the liberals from the other since they write in lockstep

Nice try C&J the old republican trick to paint the other guy with your weakness skinny dipping anyone?

Jeff

Can you tell the difference?

i agree that there should be some punishment, and the punishment ought to be on the rapist.

The main difference between what Joe Biden said and what Akin said was that Akin’s views are the party platform. As awful as the stand to make abortion illegal is to me, the platform’s call to outlaw it even in the case of rape or incest is totally abhorrent. The GOP is so messed up that their presidential nominee is running away from his party’s platform. I thought that the nominee was the leader of the party?

“Hi guys. Stephen Daugherty here, speaking for Stephen Daugherty. I’m known for such golden oldies as… Well, say, my last few blog entries.
I’m here to say, if you’ll take two seconds to notice, that I am not the author of this entry.
So, if you’ve been bashing me for the last few comments, you’ve been doing a bit of shadowboxing.”
Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at August 21, 2012 2:36 PM

Sorry Stephen, but you know how it is with us black folks; all white people look alike:) In this case, all lefties sound alike.

I do find the outrage with Akin ironic; since the former “Raper in Chief”, Bill Clinton is the keynote speaker at the DNC convention. So much for outrage…

Hey, Guys!
I am thoroughly enjoying watching the Republicans jump all over themselves about Todd Akin. What the hell is an ‘legitimate’ rape, anyway? As apposed to an ‘illegitimate’ one? Watching Romney and Ryan trying to side step him is almost as funny as watching the Governor singing and dancing “side-step” in the movie, “The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas!”

Who is HE to decide whether a woman can have an abortion? Jeez. Let’s all go back to the 60’s and before, and let more mothers die from a ‘back-room’ abortion. Bet their kids will like it just as much as I did growing up.

GET REAL, PEOPLE!

Highlandangel, Haven’t been watching much news lately or you would know that most all republicans denounce Akin and want him to quit his run for the Senate. Nothing like being a day late and a dollar short is it Angel!!!!!!!

Republicans are trying to side-step Akin and Democrats are trying to side-step Obama.

Yes, funny indeed.

Frank, to be honest Biden has never given me the impression that he is racist. He is pretty well known for saying the wrong thing on occasion at the right or wrong time depending on where one stands politically. In a nutshell we have come to expect those sorts of gaffs from the man. Gaffs don’t scare me in the least. On the other hand when an ideologue mistakenly voices to the world implications that support oppression of gender rights that are suppose to be kept in the shadows I get very worried. Worried that those pathological authoritarians might actually manage to gain enough power and influence to force their neanderthal beliefs on all of us.

Spoken like a true Democrat, Obama/Biden appolgist, Rickil. Democrats will never say they screwed up, they just defend the screwup with more BS.

Rickil

I doubt any major political figure is a racist in the real sense of the term. But Biden making the chain remark in a put on southern or black accent shows that he thinks he can fool black folk into thinking they will somehow be oppressed. He wants to keep everyone on the liberal plantation.

When I think of the statement, “democrats aren’t rewarded by saying stupid things,” I think of the strain in the GOP that is in denial of basic , proven science. We saw it with Akin when he cited some really bogus biology that is really part of the radical anti-abortion crew that thinks that either women are going to start crying rape to get abortions if they force some draconian law on the American people outlawing abortion except in the rape and incest cases or it’s those that have a very archaic view of sexuality that seeks to deny women’s power over their own bodies, “you got pregnant so you obviously wanted it.” I don’t care if this is a faith-based belief. If your beliefs run contrary to basic proven science, you are still wrong. Like evolution, it’s not really open to debate. It happened and continues to happen, period, end of story. I’m sorry if it conflicts with the fables in the bible but that book was written by people with a 3,000 year-old understanding of the world. Global warming is another, proven beyond a reasonable doubt, yet the GOP refuses to acknowledge it, not so much because of religion, rather out of support for energy companies that stand to have their record profits impacted by the reduction of carbon in the atmosphere. As Neil DeGrasse Tyson says, “the great thing about science is that it’s true whether you believe it or not.” At least Romney has stated that the climate is warming though still stupidly thanks that that cause is still open to debate. The GOP has become the party of Neanderthals.

In addition, Akin’s views are mainstream for the GOP, the party platform includes an abortion ban with no exceptions even when the life of the mother is at stake. Plus, the fact is, you’re not ever going to stop abortion in this country. Those with the means are just going to go out of the country. Those without will go to some shady operation that is likely to have disastrous consequences. This stubborn view on abortion that the GOP has will not ever reduce the number of abortions that happen in this country. Only by both parties working together can we possibly lower this number, and fewer abortions is something I think we can all agree upon.

KAP

You made my point about how funny it is to watch the Republicans scatter!

Thanks foe the help!

Rickil, so the Biden gaffs don’t worry you; it’s just a crazy old man saying stupid things…yes but he is one heartbeat away from the Presidency and wars have been started over stupid statements. Tell me Rickil, what would be your beliefs about being a gaff prone crazy old man, if the old man was a Republican VP? I remember when the left was going nuts over the idea that Reagan didn’t have both oars in the water. Once again, the left’s double standards.

Kap, I was not defending or apologizing for Biden’s gaffe. It was indeed that. I have no need to defend his poor use of words. The man is a gaffe machine in the sence that GW was. I simply can not think of any reason to apply the term racist to Biden. I have not seen it and I do not feel it. Akin on the other hand has a past that directly ties to anti womans rights behavior. He made a mistake in openly conversing at the national level, an issue that is supposed have limited discussion and contained to the shadows of ideological extremist agenda. In other words we all know the effort exists, but political volatility insures it must be an underlying issue not discussed in the mainstream.

Claire McCaskill and women’s rights activists should be giving personal thanks to Akin for finally fully opening the door to the conversation that people of Akins ilk hoped to avoid. Especially this close to election time.

Highlandangel1, You made my point as republicans quickly denounce ignorant and moronic comments from their own. Progressives like you give democrat’s ignorant, moronic comments a pass. No thanks for your help FOE.

Jack, I do firmly believe that there are indeed true racists in the halls of govt. i don’t doubt it for a moment. I just don’t see it in Biden. IMO if his effort was intentional to keep those blacks in the liberal camp, it was smart gray area politics. It borders the line but doesn’t quite cross it and sinks the point well.

Frank, to be honest Biden doesn’t worry me in the least. He appears to be aptly intelligent and understands the issues at hand. In a comparative manner he appears as a genius when stood up against the presidents predecessor. I don’t suppose you gave a lot of thought to the issue when considering the potential downsides of the pathological war mongering extremist that had GW’s back.

There really is not much value in pursuing the label game with me. I see it as a simplistic tool aimed at obfiscation of truth and progress. It keeps the simple minded focused on the simple and away from pertinent real life issues.

Rickil, I’m a little confused, you said:

“Kap, I was not defending or apologizing for Biden’s gaffe. It was indeed that. I have no need to defend his poor use of words. The man is a gaffe machine…”

Then you said:

“Frank, to be honest Biden doesn’t worry me in the least. He appears to be aptly intelligent and understands the issues at hand.”

My comment to you was:

“Rickil, so the Biden gaffs don’t worry you; it’s just a crazy old man saying stupid things…yes but he is one heartbeat away from the Presidency and wars have been started over stupid statements.”

So he’s a gaff machine, but intelligent (as if the two mix), and yet you trust him? Pardon me if I disagree. he has diarrhea of the mouth and Hillary Clinton would have been a much better choice.

Re/his racist comment; are you African-American, are you qualified to determine if his comments were racist? I am, and I say his comments were racist and were meant to be racist; from the tone of his speech to the comment he made. If a Republican had said the same thing, we would still be hearing about it in the media.

Re/Akin; what is your biggest problem with Akin? His comments about rape, or the fact that he is the most pro-life Senate candidate running for office? If he had not made the comments, would you have hated him any less? It remains to be seen what the voters in MO will do.

Uhh, Frank, you might have an argument that Biden was race baiting but racism? Nope, sorry. Does Biden have a history of supporting policies intended to deprive a racial group of rights? No. That would be racism. He doesn’t even have a history of bigotry. So I think race baiting is your best argument. Anything else sounds disingenuous,

Who is the party passing laws designed directly to deprive Afircan Amercians, and Hispanic Americans (and the elderly) of their right to vote? That’s a helluva lot more racist than anything Joe Biden said. I’m not saying that they hold hate for minorities in their hearts, only those sponsoring these voter suppression bills know that. I suspect it’s simply political and these demographics don’t vote Republican, and for good reason. The GOP has just found some ways to increase their chances in a really shameful way.

tsned, you are probably correct, it was race baiting at the very least. I just have a real problem with white politicians trying to “sound” black while making “race baiting” statements. I detested Al Gore trying to sound like a black preacher when addressing a black church congregation. It was shameful and condescending.

Re/voter laws; I have absolutely no problem with states passing laws requiring voter ID’s. We have to present an ID for almost everything we do in life or business, and disenfranchisement is a very weak argument to make when asking people to show an ID. Especially when the states are willing to provide the ID’s free of charge.

tsned, here is an interesting response from Charlie Rangel; evidently Rangel is of the opinion Biden’s comment was a racist comment. When you add to comments like these, the comment he made about Obama

“After Vice President Joe Biden infamously told an audience that Mitt Romney is “going to unchain Wall Street,” and concluded they are “going to put y’all back in chains,” Mr. Romney’s campaign cried foul. This was an obvious and unfair allusion to slavery, Mr. Romney’s surrogates argued.

Well, count veteran Congressman Charlie Rangel among Mr. Biden’s critics on the Democratic side of the aisle.

“The Vice President said he’s going to put “y’all in chains,” Mr. Rangel told The Perez Notes in a recent free-wheeling interview. “Was he talking about slavery? You bet your ass he was. Was he using the vernacular? Yes, he was. Did he think it was cute? Yes, he did. Was it something stupid to say? You bet your life it was stupid.”

“It was something that if a black had said it, we would have been laughing, because we would know deep down, they may be beating the hell out of us but they ain’t thinking about putting us into any chains,” he added.”

http://politicker.com/2012/08/rangel-on-biden-chains-comment-you-bet-your-life-it-was-stupid/

When you add to comments like these, the comment he made about Obama in the 2008 campaign, one has to conclude a certain amount of arrogance that he is a white guy and blacks are somehow sub-human. Race baiting or racist….who knows? I do know, if it had been Romney or Ryan who made these comments, the MSM and libs would have gone crazy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgIFV7jXBFQ

Frank, no need to be confused. Being a gaffe machine or talking before thinking does not imo strip one of intellect. Maybe Bidens remark was racist maybe it was not. Who knows. Racism is sometimes only seen in the eyes of the beholder. Personally I think it was a poor attempt at making an honest point via the use of history. Maybe it was intentional, maybe it was not. I have found that racism is one of those things that can be hard to define. Some racists have no idea they are one. They seem to think that personally defining the parameters of what makes a racist, a racist is okay. I disagree. One either is or is not. Until people are able to get over perceptions of race superiority and recognizing color based nuances as problematic, racism will continue to exist. I also do not believe one has to be a person of a particular color to recognize or be a victim of racism. It is all about personal use of bias towards any person or group of any color based on perceptions of superiority or personality traits that are viewed as not main stream or different than those of the observing person or group. I am sure that you as a black man are much more acutely attuned to racism than myself. That however does not necessarily make you any more qualified at recognizing racists. I could fairly argue that as a black man you are probably over sensitive to the issue and have a tendency to cry racist a little quicker than you should. I am not implying that you are indeed over sensitive and waiting to jump at a moments notice. I am merely speculating that the possibility exists.

As for Hillary, I would have no problem with Hillary sitting in the big house. She has proved to be a valuable asset to Govt. One of the few in this day and age.

Rickil, I do not consider myself to be more sensitive to racism. In fact I find white Democrats to be more sensitive to the racism of black people. Beginning in the last Presidential election and continuing until this day, it is the opinion of the left that anyone who disagrees with Obama is a racist.

Re/Biden’s comments: I find in the Bible this verse:

Mat 12:34 “O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.”

So what God’s Word says, is that the words that come out of a man’s mouth were first formed in his heart. So when Biden makes such ignorant statements, they are revealing his inner beliefs. I don’t think the “crazy old uncle” works very well. It is the left’s standard answer to justify his comments; further, when these comments are not corrected by the president, it appears he is in agreement.

So by that same logic, when Romney makes a really bad birther joke, does that expose his true feelings? That whole movement is packed with bigoted intent. When he embraces birthers like Donald Trump and Joe Arpaio and allows these bigots to speak at the Republican convention does that mean he is embracing this movement? I personally don’t think that Romney is a racist or a bigot but he is so desperate to win the election that he will associate with anyone he thinks will get him votes, money, or both.

There is a difference between being a racist and being a bigot. Bigotry is the harder thing to uncover because that is about what you believe. Racism is easier to see because it’s about actions. What policies has Joe Biden supported that are racist? What things has he done that have oppressed African Americans? I think his civil rights record is pretty good. What is racist are these voter suppression laws being passed. These laws have nothing to do with addressing problems in our electoral system. They have everything to do with trying to prevent traditional Democratic demographics from casting their votes. These laws target black and Hispanic voters as well as the elderly. Passing laws target at denying a person their constitutional rights because of the racial or ethnic group that they belong to is by definition, racist. If it makes people feel better to say that they just want to prevent people from impersonating a registered voter (which happens less than people getting struck by lightning), then that is just sanitizing a racist law. It’s disingenuous in the very least.

It is a little ironic that the party dead set on limiting black and Hispanic voting, calling our president a foreigner, not American, a Muslim, and the like is calling Joe Biden racist. Kind of like the guy guy who is grabbing arms and slapping hands in a basketball game crying foul every time he misses a shot.

Frank, the inherent problem with racism IMO, in this day and age, is that we are not allowed to have the conversation on an open platform. Merely mentioning the issue can be, and will be by some, automatically defined as racism in itself. I agree that some people cry racism when it is not necessarily warranted. If people were more careful they would study a persons past in effort to find defining distinctions that would fairly place them in that category. I personally have never used that approach with regard to president Obama. Not that I have never believed an opposition person to be racist, but because I realize it is a dead end. The defining parameters of racism as understood by most are so loose and volatile that they pretty much negate any serious level headed conversation to transpire into anything productive.

I also think that true racism is something that is not only heard by those who understand it, but it must also be felt. If you don’t feel it then it most likely isn’t there. Recognition of course is not fool proof. There is always room for error. In Biden’s case I just don’t feel it, so I will stick with my instincts which have served me pretty well over the years.

tcsned, I tend to agree that some of the people Romney is rushing to in effort to build a support base do appear to be racially motivated individuals. And it probably is fair to say the effort to suppress voters in certin regions of the country has racial overtones. I however think that the effort is more politically motivated than racially inspired. I would be willing to bet though that there are some actively involved in the process who view the agenda as serving more than one cause. In other words killing two birds with one stone is a bonus benefit.

tcsned, I also think that bringing the birther issue to the front is a sign of desperation on Romney’s part. He already has those nuts in his basket of lunatic fringe voters. So exactly what the point is, is beyond me. I seriously doubt he is going to reform any new birther recruits on an age old matter that has been settled time and time again. I think the abortion, tax and transparency issues are so overwhelming him that he is desperate for any deflection that might take the focus off his personal affairs and character.

Tsned, you make a conclusion on an unproved or false premise.

“It is a little ironic that the party dead set on limiting black and Hispanic voting, calling our president a foreigner, not American, a Muslim”

Is it the Republican platform to limit black and Hispanic votes, ids the Republican Party calling Obama a foreigner or a Muslim? No, they are not. The comments of some people do not represent the beliefs of the Republican Party as a whole, but Biden is part of Obama’s presidency and what Biden says is a reflection of Obama’s presidency.

Regarding Trump’s statements, I believe his goal was to settle the dispute by releasing the documents and not to accuse Obama of being a foreigner. Sheriff Arpio’s investigation was not to prove Obama a non-citizen, but to investigate the falsification of documents. He even made these statements as to why he was investigating.

Regarding this statement: “So by that same logic, when Romney makes a really bad birther joke, does that expose his true feelings?”

Obama made the same joke about himself:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xd5otl_obama-jokes-about-birth-certificate_news

Or here:

“As Howe points out, the person who jokes the most about birth certificates the most is the Obama campaign:

But really, Romney was just following the Obama Campaign’s own instructions as seen on their website store where you can purchase a coffee mug with Obama’s birth certificate printed on the side. Their description makes clear that birther jokes aren’t only ok, they want people telling them.
MADE IN THE USA MUG

There’s really no way to make the conspiracy about President Obama’s birth certificate completely go away, so we might as well laugh at it — and make sure as many people as possible are in on the joke. Get your Obama birth certificate Made in the USA mug today.

Now can we call go back to the civility of Obama surrogates calling Romney a murderer and Obama making Seamus the Dog jokes?”

http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/08/barack-obama-again-jokes-about-his-birth-certificate-outrage-ensues-oh-wait/

In fact, from the same link we find the false outrage of the Obama people, which you almost quote word for word:

The Obama campaign was immediately flabbergasted that Romney would sink so low, releasing this statement.

“Throughout this campaign, Governor Romney has embraced the most strident voices in his party instead of standing up to them. It’s one thing to give the stage in Tampa to Donald Trump, Sheriff Arpaio, and Kris Kobach. But Governor Romney’s decision to directly enlist himself in the birther movement should give pause to any rational voter across America.”

“What things has he done that have oppressed African Americans? I think his civil rights record is pretty good. What is racist are these voter suppression laws being passed. These laws have nothing to do with addressing problems in our electoral system. They have everything to do with trying to prevent traditional Democratic demographics from casting their votes. These laws target black and Hispanic voters as well as the elderly. Passing laws target at denying a person their constitutional rights because of the racial or ethnic group that they belong to is by definition, racist”

Well tsned, I qualify for two of your classifications; I am black and I am old. And I find no problems with voter ID laws. Voter ID laws ensure people who have the right to vote, get to vote; and voter ID laws protect my vote.

Re/Biden’s oppression of African Americans; he has supported Welfare wholeheartedly and Welfare and other minority entitlements have done more to enslave the black people than slavery did. At least with slavery there was hope that someday blacks would be free, but with the liberal Democrat policies, blacks will never be free of their political masters.

Rickil said:

“tcsned, I tend to agree that some of the people Romney is rushing to in effort to build a support base do appear to be racially motivated individuals.”

And I believe Obama is one of the most racially dividing people to ever occupy in the WH. I understand what he is doing when he addresses black people. Obama promised to be a uniter and it turns out he is a divider. He has consistently played the race card.

“I think the abortion, tax and transparency issues are so overwhelming him that he is desperate for any deflection that might take the focus off his personal affairs and character.”

Posted by: Rickil at August 25, 2012 10:06 AM

The main concern of the American people is the economy and jobs, why would abortion, tax (I am assuming you mean his), and transparency issues (??) be overwhelming? Obama’s crowds are small, Romney’s and Ryan’s crowds are large, and Romney/Ryan and dealing with the economy. It s only the MSM and the libs who are concerned about abortion and tax. BTW, polls over the past 20 years have migrated toward the pro-life position.

Frank, it is my opinion that the issues mentioned are overwhelming him. He seems unable to escape them. As soon as one begins to lose some steam another pops up. And they have not all been due to efforts by the left. There is much that is unknown about the man. Much that is not clear. His running mate a far right type who supports a lot of radical policy. Not a good thing when it comes to politics.

We Americans tend to be very suspicious of wealthy types. We have been raked over the coals by them over and over again. Why should we trust them. Taking them at their word on anything is imo totally out of the question.

All of that said, all the issues that are being raised are viable concerns for valid reasons. They may not all carry the same level of importance, but depending on the individual or gender they can be vitally important.

Despite the hundreds of millions in donations by wealthy cohorts Romney is not making any headway in the polls. Surely he has to be concerned. He is struggling to find a firm issue that will propel him forward. Unfortunately for him the unknowns, lack of transparency, lack of commitment, questionable associations of radical types and policy, and the inability to take a firm stand on most any issue do little more than raise a question mark over his head in the eyes of many, many Americans. We know who Romney wants us to believe he is. But we can’t be sure who he really is, because he fails to allow us full access to factors that will settle the matter one way or the other. He remains an enigma. He strives to be all things to all people. An impossible task that most all people will see clearly as nothing more than political pandering.

Rickil, I am going to try to explain this best I can, since I am familiar with race issues first hand.

You claim Romney can’t make any headway in the polls. But actually he has made some improvement with Ryan as VP choice. But leave that out of the issue. Obama is stuck in the mid-40’s and as not made any headway. You may say, they are both in the mid-40’s and you are correct. The polls seem to be stuck in the mid-40’s for both. The difference is, Obama is the incumbent, and Romney is the challenger. If Obama cannot get above 50% as an incumbent, he will lose. The race issue comes into it in the polls; when people are asked if they will vote for Obama or Romney, some people do not want to be considered racist by saying Romney, so they will say, “undecided”. There are no undecideds, if people haven’t made up their mind yet, they will never make up their mind. This election has been one of the most publicized and important elections in history. And believe me; I have seen a lot of them.

Secondly, Obama does not have the excitement in his base, which he had in 2008. I know, I am black, and I know there is no excitement among the blacks. Obama is trying his best to gin up excitement; but he failed to deliver on what he promised blacks 4 years ago. Obama is continuing to lose independents.

Obama’s donations have dropped off significantly and Romney’s have increased. The left may not like Ryan; but the conservatives love him and are willing to donate. Obama’s base does not have the money to give and Obama’s corporate donations, which were good in 2008, have dried up because of his attacks on corporations. The old saying, “don’t bite the hand that feeds you” comes to mind. Obama has played the class warfare card too many times; in his zeal to pit one group against another, he has alienated some.

And lastly, the new documentary “2016” is really going to hurt Obama. It is #3 this past weekend and is only showing in a small percentage of theaters.

Obama/Biden is in real trouble no matter how you look at it.

Frank, just so you know, I am no young man and have seen a few elections myself. IMO you are being less than genuine when you claim there is excitement among conservatives for Romney. Maybe a few, but by and large conservatives support him mostly because they hate Obama. Not for who Romney is.

Let’s face it conservatives are just as perplexed as everyone else over just who Romney is and what he represents. Truth be told, given the extreme leanings of modern day conservatism, he probably qualifies as a closet moderate among that crowd. IMO, Ryan was an early Christmas gift for the DNC. He plays well among the tnut crowd but will prove to be much too radical for mainstream America. At any rate your overly enthusiastic outlook is a bit of a stretch on the reality of Romney’s current ranking within his own party and among everyone else.

The end result will come down to who is best able to convince the voting populace that their efforts are genuine and properly rooted in serving the interests of the entire nation for both short and long term needs. Placing that trust in an extremely wealthy corporate type who has things to hide will be difficult for many. You see for many this race is not just about hating the president. It is about the future and regaining momentum for the working classes as opposed to relying on more useless trickle down policy that only puts more wealth in the hands of those who don’t need it, at our expense.

Rickil, conservativeare very excited about the Romney/Ryan ticket. Why would conservatives be perplexed with Ryan on the ticket; he is a TP conservative. You guys on the left want to think Ryan is an extremist and will hurt he Republican ticket; but I see it as just the opposite
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Re/the end result; Romney/Ryan are talkig about fixing America’s problems. While Obama is only talking about Romney/Ryan. If Obama is going to convince the voting populace of anything, he will, at some time, have to talk about the problems facing America. It’s hard for him to talk about his accomplishments because he wasted tax dollars on bailouts, wasted tax dollars on green energy, and gave us obamacare, which nobody wanted.

“Placing that trust in an extremely wealthy corporate type who has things to hide will be difficult for many.”

You do realize the polls show Romney as being more capable of solving our economic problems, because of his business background?

Frank, I am aware that Romney is not overpowering the president in any area where polls are concerned. Romney’s business background is in question. As I stated earlier, too many undefined issues and a lack of transparency are not allowing him to close the door on any issue. Of course he will poll well with the tnut crowd and probably a good percentage of other rebubs. I also have to believe though that there are a percentage of responsible reasonable repubs who are not extreme right Norquist worshiping cretins that aspire to authoritarian rule. Surely some of those folks must recognize the harm that the tnuts are doing to what once was a respectable facet of govt. You have to ask yourself if reasonable people are really ready for the sort of stifling radical policy and extreme measures that those self righteous nuts want to force upon everyone. I don’t think so Frank. I think the American people are growing tired of a non functional govt. A functional govt does not one party policy make.

“Of course he will poll well with the tnut crowd and probably a good percentage of other rebubs.”

Rickil, there is a good analysis of an ABC/Washington Post poll in the red column that disagrees with your beliefs:
http://www.watchblog.com/republicans/archives/008105.html#351543

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