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Willard smiles because "That Was Easy"! Or was it?

Two results of interest came from the NH primary.

First, turnout was similar to the 2008 primary. We all know the 2008 general election results. These mediocre 2012 totals indicate a lack of enthusiasm. Demotivated voters do not bode well for the GOP.

Second, an effective avenue of attack on Romney has been developed by Republicans, and given the tone of our time, it promises to be devastating next November. This line of attack hits what many thought was Romney’s strength, and instead turns it into a crippling weakness.

The attack upon Romney has been developed by Gingrich and Perry, and it goes after Romney at his core: his reputed greatness as a businessman when he was CEO for Bain Capital. It turns out Bain raided companies in South Carolina, site of the next primary, with devastating results. Perry went on Hannity this same night of the NH primary and denounced Romney's "vulture" capitalism.

Hannity caught a glimpse of the future and turned pale.

Meanwhile, Gingrich will begin airing a 27 minute documentary, "When Mitt Romney Came to Town," in South Carolina. Just a short time ago, in the run up to the IA caucus, Newt offered to keep the campaign positive if Willard would do the same, and stay away from negative advertising. Willard said no, went negative, and destroyed Newt's hopes for winning the presidency.

Nothing is worse than a Newt spurned.

Remember, this is a guy who supposedly shut down the federal government because Clinton seated him at the back of the plane. Newt didn't like Romney in the first place. Now, Newtonian vengeance looks like a scorched earth, take-no-prisoners campaign. Romney made it worse by ad libbing "I like being able to fire people." Taken out of context, it sounds bad; but even in context, the full statement reveals a Romney no one likes, a guy who "likes" firing people. Worse, when it comes to "services" such as health care, Romney almost seems to view such services as a luxury item. For most ordinary people, it is no luxury; a very serious matter indeed.

Of course, Willard has a huge amount of money, and he can lay waste to as many Republican competitors as necessary. But a fatal flaw has been uncovered, and if Republicans are not very motivated right now, just wait until fall.

As Huckabee once said, Romney "looks like the guy who laid you off." We're about to see a steady parade of South Carolineans who lost their livelihoods because Willard, of towns devastated by a Bain raid.

What goes around, comes around. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

Posted by phx8 at January 11, 2012 1:23 AM
Comments
Comment #334324

You only have to scan the articles from the right on Real Clear Politics to know they’re worried. Some certainly like Romney or he wouldn’t be winning but it’s the small things that are creeping up in their minds.

For instance exit polls show 2 out of 3 independents voted against Romney. More than 2/3rds of evangelicals voted against him as well. A third of voters said they would not be satisfied if Romney won.

South Carolina is a couple of weeks away so it will be interesting to see if buyers remorse sets in with Romney eroding his support in the state or if he can continue to project his inevitability and get voters to agree to that.

Posted by: Adam Ducker at January 11, 2012 9:50 AM
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ph, this attack was developed by Kennedy back in 1994; there’s nothing new here except supposedly the most conservative candidates in the GOP primary are now joining the OWS movement.

The film is set for release today and it will be interesting to watch. I’ve got a feeling that it is going to be plus for the Romney campaign as there are already several inaccuracies identified. Prove one fact isn’t true and you discredit the entire story is the general rule. In fact, a true conspiracy theory would be that Newt and Rick were put up to make this attack now with all of the easily refutable errors as a preemptive move against the Democrats.
South Carolina is starting to heat up. Mitt’s Super Pac is running a pretty hard hitting radio spot on Newt and focusing on his ethics problems and tying him to Nancy Pelosi and the UN. In a State where you can still find John Birch Society signs the latter could be devastating.

Posted by: George at January 11, 2012 10:34 AM
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George,
Discrediting Gingrich or Perry is beside the point. They’re already toast and they know it. This is about taking vengeance. Gingrich offered to play nice. Romney refused, and tanked Gingrich with millions of dollars worth of negative advertising. Of course, even the most casual observer would notice that it didn’t take Willard to point out Newt’s negatives. However, that doesn’t matter to Newt. He wants Romney’s head on his trophy wall, and Perry feels the same.

It’s true, Ted Kennedy used the Bain material way back when, and Kennedy won. This time, the attack on Romney will be much bigger, better funded, longer, more relentless, and on a national basis. Romney is being defined.

There will be interview after interview with ordinary people who suffered when Romney and Bain came into town, destroyed their workplace, and walked away with the money.

Discrediting negative ads by pointing out their inaccuracies only makes it worse. It calls further attention to the charges, and frames the debate on exactly the issue the candidate does not want to discuss. Romney needs the campaign to be a referendum on Obama, not whether Romney was a “job cremator” and “vulture capitalist.”

Posted by: phx8 at January 11, 2012 10:56 AM
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Romney is as big of a phony that there is out there on the political scene … and that’s saying something. He puts his finger to the air to test the winds more than even Bill Clinton did. He is the stereotypical “empty suit.”

He claims his private sector experience is a qualification to run a country. He claims to have met a payroll, hired and fired people, and created jobs. He pretends as if Bain Capital is a little mom and pop organization and that he actually engaged in “management.” When you show up to work in a limo go to a couple of board meetings and get messages from your secretary then get to work finding companies to take over is not like actually signing paychecks, managing workers, or dealing with day-to-day operations. He had teams of accountants, administrative staff, and middle managers to handle all of the day-to-day stuff. I think I’ve had to meet more payrolls that he ever did.

He claims to have created jobs. He has never proven this. I’ve not ever seen a balance sheet with his new hires crossed with his layoffs. He isn’t putting that info out there for a reason. Probably mainly because there have been significant layoffs, sell-offs, and closings and that would provide info for opponents to use against him even if the ledger is positive on the whole. Or Bain’s job creation balance is in the red.

He claims to have rescued failing businesses. Staples is certainly his flagship. But I doubt if he ever made a single strategic decision regarding the running of any of these businesses other than telling his accountant to write the check to buy. Is there any proof that he was involved in any day-to-day operations at Staples? I’ve not seen any. Then there’s Domino’s Pizza. They bought Domino’s Pizza in the late 90s and did such a smashing job of cutting quality to squeeze pennies out of it that they are now running a PR campaign apologizing for turning out a lame product.

What really grinds my gears was his acceptance speech last night where he claimed that critics of Wall Street and his own unethical way of getting rich were envious of his money and his business sense. The is the biggest line of BS I have seen in a long time. Everyone would like to have more money but no at the expense of ruining someone else, laying off someone else, or defrauding someone else. Getting rich at someone else’s expense may be legal but it is immoral and unethical. I wouldn’t want to be this guy in a million years. All he cares about is money, not producing anything, not creating jobs, just making money. That sounds like a pretty miserable existence to me. If he really thinks the occupy movement is about envy he is delusional.

Joe Scarborough said the other day that when he was talking to some of the senior journalists while in NH they were all saying that this was the weakest field they have seen in 40 years.

Posted by: tcsned at January 11, 2012 1:25 PM
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Here’s a good place to see conservatives vent about RINO Romney. Get the popcorn and watch as the GOP turns on itself in a repeat of John McCain. The GOP isn’t looking for the best man for the job. They’re looking for somebody who can excite them like President Bush did. Whole groups of conservatives are falling to pieces as I write this over the idea that Romney may win South Carolina and wrap this thing up.

Posted by: Adam Ducker at January 11, 2012 1:51 PM
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phx8,
LOL! Good article!
Willard has so many attackable attributes to go after and expose, but being the Moneybags Corporate Wall Street Candidate of the 1%, he’s clearly being given enormous boatloads of media support.
I was just looking at an article over at the CNN website that simply gushed on and on about the Mittster’s big “convincing victory” in NH (and basically ignored Ron Paul, as usual). I could only laugh — here was Willard on his own home turf winning by only 30%, and scoring only 5 delegates — while Paul and Huntsman each won 3 delegates apiece.

Have You seen this particular Huntsman ad yet?
Mittstant Replay
Peel off the Huntsman label and slap on one from a Democratic PAC and there you have it — it’s Janus-Faced Willard Romney!!!

Another attack-able attribute for Willard has to do with something he said in the debate the other night:

I find it extraordinary that a very few number of families are paying the price of freedom in America. The hurdle to actually putting our troops in harm’s way is very, very high, and the test is America’s interests. Our security interests. And they have to be involved in a very significant way to deploy our troops.

Yes, this is really “extraordinary” coming from the man who got out of the draft by doing Mormon community organizing out of a castle in France rather than serve in Vietnam. Also coming from a man who has FIVE sons who were of age to go serve in our military during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, but didn’t. Yet that’s all good with Willard, who has said:

It’s remarkable how we can show our support for our nation, and one of the ways my sons are showing support for our nation is helping to get me elected, because they think I’d be a great president. My son, Josh, bought the family Winnebago and has visited 99 counties, most of them with his three kids and his wife. And I respect that and respect all of those in the way they serve this great country.

Isn’t that “remarkable”!!! 99 counties in a Winnebago! What an incredible record of sacrifice and “service”!

Meanwhile, uh-oh! Who’s your Daddy? Jon Huntsman probably wants to keep this under wraps:
Huntsman Sr. Partner With Bain Capital Executive

Willard and Jon are like two peas in a pod. Just a couple of garden-variety vulture capitalist Mormon Millionaires who have already proved themselves to be the “Bain” of America’s existence!

Posted by: Adrienne at January 11, 2012 1:59 PM
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tcsned,
Staples did not become really successful until after Romney’s time at Bain, when Staple changed from a price cutting model to a service model.

Romney has been very vague about what he actually did at Bain, but plenty of people will be willing to fill in the blanks with what actually happened to them once Mitt Romney came to town.

It’s funny the way this went down. Romney didn’t have to resort to a big negative attack campaign in IA. He would have still placed in the top two or three. Gingrich would have imploded sooner or later. But Gingrich had those red concentric rings painted on his political chest. There was no easier target for negative advertising. Romney’s campaign manager was an opposition researcher who was no doubt begging for Romney to do it. It was so easy, and- there you go! “That was Easy!” Newt went down.

But Zombie Newt is very, very angry. He hates Romney for stillilng being politically alive. Now, Newt is shambling after Romney, arms extended towards him, mumbling “Bains… Bains…”

Here is Newt again: “I think at some point Gov. Romney’s going to have to hold a press conference and walk through, with considerable detail, some of the companies that Bain took over where they apparently looted the companies, left people unemployed and walked off with millions of dollars.”

Here is Perry in SC. We’ll hear a lot more about these two companies and what happened to these towns after finished with them.

“The two companies were Holson Burns Group in Gaffney, which made photo albums, and GS Industries in Georgetown, a steelmaker.
About 150 people lost their jobs in the Gaffney closure in 1992. Perry said Bain Capital made a $65 million profit in closing GS Industries. Other sources estimate the firm profit was about $58 million.
“Rather than restructuring, they made a quick profit,” Perry said. “The company that did that was Bain Capital, and Romney was in charge.”

Read more here: http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2012/01/11/2345510/perry-throws-jabs-at-romney-bain.html#storylink=cpy

Posted by: phx8 at January 11, 2012 2:00 PM
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Doubt I will vote for Romney, but hell, if a man can attend a blame America and hate whitey church for 20 years and become President, surely a man who streamlined businesses has some kind of shot at it.

It’s all a mute point. The 1% want the obama to be re-elected and he will be.
The results of the Senate and House are going to be what shows what path the people of this country want to go down.

Posted by: kctim at January 11, 2012 3:04 PM
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The good news is that conservatives now know that Gingrich and Perry are closet commies.

It may be a detriment in the general election, but Romney’s vulture capitalist persona makes him the obvious choice for the next RINO Party nominee.

Vulture capitalist, elitist (Romney makes Kerry look like white trailer trash), flip-flopper.

This week has overshadowed last weeks elitist remark about only financially independent people should be holding public office. If you need the pay check to pay the mortgage, reminding us of the millions struggling to do that.

Out of touch elitism, reminds me of GHWB and the bar code machine.

Flip-flopper, he was for comprehensive immigration reform before he was against it and as soon as he wraps up the nomination, he will probably be for it again.

I think most of this stuff is beside the point for the Republican base, their motivated, many by race if nothing else. The right VP choice will seal the deal.



Posted by: jlw at January 11, 2012 3:24 PM
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LOL kctim! “Streamlined Businesses”!!! What a pretty euphemism for a vulture capitalist who made a fortune off of firing people from their jobs so the 1% could get a little bit richer.

Posted by: Adrienne at January 11, 2012 3:26 PM
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jlw:

I think most of this stuff is beside the point for the Republican base, their motivated, many by race if nothing else. The right VP choice will seal the deal.

So then… I guess a Romney/Paul ticket should be expected?

Posted by: Adrienne at January 11, 2012 3:30 PM
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Adrienne,
Romney could not possibly be more out of touch with spirit of these times than when he goes on about the wonders of free enterprise and how everyone is motivated to attack him because they envy his wealth. He’s a plutocrat, a one percenter, he’s buying the Republican nomination, and the social conservatives and fundamentalists seem powerless to stop him. The conservative candidates are both weak AND divided, and Romney will keep them that way by focusing attacks on anyone who rises in the polls. Yet it’s interesting to see Gingrich and Perry adopting the OWS 99% point of view. Gingrich is a loathesome little toad, but he knows where to stick a shiv in order to do the most damage. Perry likes to fight dirty- just ask Cain- and he’s finally seeing the kind of contest that suits him. I also wonder how much the fundamentalists are putting him up to this. Some Christians actually take the Bible seriously when it comes to the poor.

Willard attempts to identify himself with capitalism and free enterprise, but most people are not that gullible. Most of us know there are good companies and bad companies. There are good ways to make a living and bad ways to make money. What Romney did was legal. He made money, a lot of money. Sometimes it was good. Sometimes it was benign. But sometimes he made money by screwing people.

Posted by: phx8 at January 11, 2012 3:37 PM
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Vulture capitalist, Adrienne?
Maybe he didn’t hear all the talk about firing people while attending those gatherings?

Posted by: kctim at January 11, 2012 3:38 PM
Comment #334340

“Streamlined businesses.” That’s a good one. Someone should send that in to the writer of the Dilbert cartoon.

Posted by: phx8 at January 11, 2012 3:40 PM
Comment #334342

phx8,
I get the sense that if Romney wins the GOP primary, Obama is very likely to be reelected. Because Willard is just too much like McCain in the way that his party doesn’t actually like him at all. And, I seriously doubt that Independents are going to come out in droves to vote for a guy who oozes industrial-strength Phoniness, Insincerity, Opportunism, Dishonesty, and Brill Cream.

Posted by: Adrienne at January 11, 2012 3:50 PM
Comment #334343

kctim:

Vulture capitalist, Adrienne?

Yes sir.

Maybe he didn’t hear all the talk about firing people while attending those gatherings?

Hmmm… Gatherings?
What Gatherings? Were these Mormon Gatherings?
Was Willard quoting the “Angel Moroni” and wearing his Magical Mormon underwear? :^)

Posted by: Adrienne at January 11, 2012 3:59 PM
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Adrienne,
I think you’re right about Obama winning the general election. I always figured Romney would win the nomination pretty easily. The other candidates were weak tea indeed. I used to think it would be close in November. Now I’m beginning to realize it may not be close at all. Only Romney’s ability to benefit from Citizens United might save him.

It was funny to watch Hannity interview Perry last night. Perry attacked Romney’s record at Bain as a “vulture capitalist,” and I could swear Hannity turned white as a sheet. This attack resonates, and Hannity knows it. So, it’s not hard to see where this political wind is blowing.

The Senate will be interesting. The Democrats have 23 seats up for grabs (including 2 Independents) and the Republicans will have only 10. Even in a landslide, it will be tough for the Democrats to hold on to the Senate. Guess it doesn’t matter anyway. Short of 60 votes, neither party will be able to do anything, so one side or the other will just filibuster their brains out.

If there is a landslide, the Democrats could re-take the House. Short of that, it will probably stay in GOP hands.

I thought it was interesting that the second & third place finishers, Paul & Huntsman, both want an immediate withdrawal from Afghanistan. Together, they represented @ 41% of the NH primary vote.

Posted by: phx8 at January 11, 2012 4:32 PM
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Adrienne

Probably ‘gatherings’ where they got together and listened and talk about things with likeminded folks.
Maybe they shared the views of “Goddamn America” and “the anti business devils greed, led to a nation in need.”

Who knows for sure? We learned in 08 that listening and promoting doesn’t mean support of such words.

Posted by: kctim at January 11, 2012 4:32 PM
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phx8

Gingrich is acting like a baby, but he is probably doing a Romney a favor. It is not like the Obama folks would not have made such a movie. Since the liberal establishment includes lots of good film makers and hatchet men, they probably would have woven a better story with more innuendos. Now it will be all talked out before the election.

So if Romney cannot take the attacks, he will not be the nominee. Then all those liberals will claim they were right that Romney was too moderate to be nominated. Of course, this will mean the quick reversal of their current talking point that he is too far right to be elected president.

We wonder how the outcome might have been different in 2004 if the swift boat attacks against Kerry had been aired earlier. It is better to take on semi-factual attacks earlier rather than later.

That the charges are brought by the man Democrats most hate also creates an interesting dynamic. Our liberal friends now need to stand with the man they called too extreme in his attack on the man they called too moderate.

Curious.

Posted by: C&J at January 11, 2012 4:57 PM
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Here is the link to the Gingrich documentary, “When Mitt Romney Came to Town.”

http://www.webcasts.com/kingofbain/

It talks about a washing machine manufacturer in Marianna, FL; DDi; KB Toys; and AMpad in Marion IN.

Posted by: phx8 at January 11, 2012 5:03 PM
Comment #334355

Jack,
With Janus-Faced Willard Romney, the question of whether he is “too moderate” or “too far to the right” swings entirely upon which video clip one chooses to play and what side of an issue he happened to be taking at that time.

Willard is the epitome of a used car salesman (and looks the part too!) — one who has said everything and anything on both sides of an extraordinarily large number of issues, because he doesn’t seem to actually hold any real principles of his own. Instead, he will simply say whatever he thinks is going to fly farthest, with whomever he happens to be speaking to, at any given moment in time.

Kctim:

Probably ‘gatherings’ where they got together and listened and talk about things with likeminded folks.

This is humorous — you called Romney “they!” Is this a Freudian slip referring to the fact that Willard always talks out of both sides of his mouth?

Posted by: Adrienne at January 11, 2012 5:23 PM
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The Republican’s real problem is that public opinion is rather strongly against Wall Street. They have little choice but, as strong supporters of the philosophies and policies that enabled them, to defend it, and denounce attacks on those kinds of capitalists as class warfare.

At the same time, though, however uncouth it might be for liberals to make those attacks, the Republicans know the attacks resonate, and so can’t resist using those attacks themselves.

Democrats, I would say, have the advantage of moving with their natural principles as liberals when they talk of economic justice. Republicans are just playing lip service to it in order to score political points, and can’t do much else without being denounced as RINOs.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at January 11, 2012 5:30 PM
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C&J,
Newt is a crybaby? Maybe. But remember, Newt didnt’ start this. Romney launched a multi-million dollar negative attack in Iowa. Romney started it. Newt will not have the good grace to go down quietly. And remember, Newt is YOUR guy. He was the Speaker of the House for the Republican Party, currently running for the party nomination to be President, and until recently, near the top of the polls. And remember, Perry is YOUR guy too, Republican Governor of Texas, the largest red state in the union. Perry is also a candidate for your party’s nomination to be President, and not so long ago, he too enjoyed high rankings in polls.

If you enjoyed this discussion about Romney’s actions at Bain and feel it advantageous to cover it now, then you will really, really enjoy discussion it again in June. And July. And August. And September. And October, right up to November. Keep in mind, this foray by Gingrich was backed with only a total of about $5 million dollars. This summer, the discussion of Bain will be back by hundreds of millions. Better yet, Romney pulled off corporate raids in almost every state of the union. There are a lot of ‘little people’ who got destroyed by Romney and Bain. They might not be good sports about being on the receiving end of ‘creative destruction.’

Posted by: phx8 at January 11, 2012 5:39 PM
Comment #334359

Adrienne

‘Gatherings,’ like in a business meeting or a Chicago church are made up of many people.
I address one person as he or she. I address more than one person as ‘they.’

Posted by: kctim at January 11, 2012 5:53 PM
Comment #334360

Stephen:

The Republican’s real problem is that public opinion is rather strongly against Wall Street. They have little choice but, as strong supporters of the philosophies and policies that enabled them, to defend it, and denounce attacks on those kinds of capitalists as class warfare.

At the same time, though, however uncouth it might be for liberals to make those attacks, the Republicans know the attacks resonate,

Sorry Stephen, but I don’t consider it “uncouth” at all that people on the left are calling a spade a spade. That the GOP is now squealing like little girls and trying to claim we’re terrible for “waging class warfare” on them is utterly laughable. They’ve been viciously and systematically waging class warfare upon the middle class, lower middle class, and the poor for literally decades. The reason they’re now trying to act so offended, and the reason that what we’re saying happens to be resonating so powerfully is due to the fact that it’s nothing other than the plain, unvarnished TRUTH — and it hurts them.

Posted by: Adrienne at January 11, 2012 6:02 PM
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kctim:

I address one person as he or she. I address more than one person as ‘they.’

But addressing a guy who talks out of both sides of his mouth becomes rather problematic, no?
Perhaps with Romney, he can be called “Mitt” when he’s talking out of the Moderate Side of his mouth, and “Willard” when he’s talking out of the Wild TP Extremist side of his mouth. And currently, he’s been going all-out Willard for the Primary nomination!
:^)

Posted by: Adrienne at January 11, 2012 6:35 PM
Comment #334369

Adrienne

Then Romney will presumably adapt to conditions as president and again be moderate.

Candidates, unfortunately, have to kiss some but to get nominated and elected.

Stephen

The Obama folks left intact the system and gave bonuses to AIG, Fannie & Freddie. Geitner ordered that Golman-Sacks get 100 cents on the dollar. He didn’t even negotiate.

Yes, Obama can talk the talk against Wall Street, but he will not cross his friends in real life.

There is a German saying that you should talk left but live right. Obama seems good at this. Unfortunately, he also seems not to like free enterprise. This goes with supporting those Wall Street firms, BTW. They don’t really like free enterprise either. They like their cartel and choke points.

Obama/Chicago style crony capitalism.

j2t2

re Newt - yes - I do believe that one should go down gracefully and maybe take one for the team. It is a point of honor for me. I like Newt’s ideas, but his temperament in wrong. I have said that before.

I think this election will indeed be about the free market system. I am not saying that Obama will be advocating socialism, but he is advocating a more centrally directed type of market systems, more like they have in France or Italy. These are both pleasant places, but not w/o challenges. Romney will offer something freer - more like the general American model or reforms in the direction taken in the last ten years by Australia and Canada. The irony is that America’s economy has been becoming less free, even under Bush. This year’s Index of Economic freedom will be out soon and we will see how far we have fallen.

ALL these options fall within the general market system, but they will produce significantly different outcomes in the long run.

Posted by: C&J at January 11, 2012 8:09 PM
Comment #334372
Then Romney will presumably adapt to conditions as president and again be moderate.

Candidates, unfortunately, have to kiss some but to get nominated and elected.

Reminds me of what Alexander Hamilton once said: “Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.”
Romney stands for nothing, since he’s obviously happy acting like a used car salesman while taking either side of any issue depending on whomever is in the room. Those who would vote for a person who stands for nothing clearly have to be willing to fall for anything.

But I’m really hoping that the American people aren’t stupid and gullible enough to get stuck with a lemon.

Posted by: Adrienne at January 11, 2012 8:31 PM
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I loved the Hannity Perry interview when Hannity accuses Perry of sounding like a Occupy Wall Streeter…. Yep Sean that’s what he’s sounding like.

And Jon Stewart NAILED the hypocrisy of all the anti-Romney’s basically complaining about Romney buying the primaries. And then there are the candidates left off the primary ballots because of strict republican guidelines to avoid voter fraud. It’s just all so beautiful.

Posted by: muirgeo at January 12, 2012 1:51 AM
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This comic cracks me up: A Tebower? No…A Tea Partier.

Posted by: Adam Ducker at January 12, 2012 7:08 AM
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phx8,
Just sat and watched the “When Mitt Romney Came To Town” video. Absolutely Devastating. If enough people actually get a chance to see that video, Willard/Mitt the Vulture Capitalist is TOAST.

Here is the link to the complete YouTube version of this 28 minute documentary if anyone wants to be able to easily share it with their social network.

Posted by: Adrienne at January 12, 2012 1:08 PM
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“adapt to conditions as president” “be moderate”

C&J, I guess you are describing Obama. He adapted to the fact that the corpocracy owns our Congress and he has been a moderate, a fact that hasn’t been missed by both the right and the left.

“They don’t like free enterprise either.”

Let me guess, the last time American enterprise was free was during the ‘Gilded Age’. If that is the case, then Romney is obviously the person for the job.

An inconvenient fact about TARP is that for all the Rep/tea party condemnation and rants, they have produced no legislation aimed at breaking up the two big to fail corporations.

Some of us know exactly what to expect from Romney and the Republican Congress. A continuation of the corpocracy, preemption, and the tea party domestic agenda.

“All of these options will fall within the general market system, but they will produce significantly different outcomes in the long run.”

Anyone who has a smidgen of knowledge about the history of the economy knows exactly what to expect in the long run, a roller coaster ride. Who knows, maybe it is time for ‘King Cotton’ to have another go at it.

The shock to Fox News by Perry and Gingrich going OWS on Romney was an enjoyable sight to see.

Gingrich, the OWS candidate wins S.C.?

A $ 10 million government bailout? Well, Mitt Call Me Solyndra Romney. Mitt can repay that with pocket change.

Posted by: jlw at January 12, 2012 3:02 PM
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jlw

Actually, enterprise was not free during the Guided Age. It was dominated by cartels that were implicitly supported by the political power. It was the kind of crony capitalism that we are seeing develop more strongly under Obama.

RE Gingrich and OWS - I have been telling you guys that the OWS and the Tea Party are essentially saying the same things. The big difference is that the Tea Party is cleaner and of course the solutions they propose.

The Tea Party sees the concentration of political and economic power and wants to reduce it. OWS wants to expand the political power and hope that they don’t get fooled again.

Posted by: C&J at January 12, 2012 7:46 PM
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BTW - what does this Willard thing mean?

Posted by: C&J at January 12, 2012 8:29 PM
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Jack,

“BTW - what does this Willard thing mean?”

Willard is his first name.

Rocky


Posted by: Rocky Marks at January 12, 2012 9:01 PM
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It was the kind of crony capitalism that we are seeing develop more strongly under Obama.

C&J welcome back. Obviously you have been in a cell or cave this past 30 years.

The big difference is that the Tea Party is cleaner and of course the solutions they propose.

I wonder how clean the Tea bags would be after a 30 day Glenn Beck rally. The solutions from the tea party,C&J, are gilded age solutions if they can even acknowledge a problem. They are not as close as you may think simply because of a few desperate comments taken by Gingrich and Perry.

Posted by: j2t2 at January 12, 2012 9:06 PM
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C&J, the fact is that crony capitalism is the only capitalism there is. It is practiced in Washington D.C., in the state house in Columbus, in my county and in my town.

Tea party people keep talking about back in the day, back when things were done right, back when the country was great. When was that?

No, the tea party isn’t saying the same thing as the tea party.

What the tea party proposes is not to pay taxes to support the America that most Americans want.

Posted by: jlw at January 12, 2012 11:52 PM
Comment #334433

Adrienne
“But addressing a guy who talks out of both sides of his mouth becomes rather problematic, no?”

Yes, it does. But we have had 4 years to adjust such a person. I swear it is so confusing, I never know if I’m listening to Barack who says he wants to represent all or to Hussein who preaches to his Wild Leftist Extremist base that I am dumb because I CLING to rights and freedoms.

Posted by: kctim at January 13, 2012 10:14 AM
Comment #334446

phx8,
Just sat and watched the “When Mitt Romney Came To Town” video. Absolutely Devastating. If enough people actually get a chance to see that video, Willard/Mitt the Vulture Capitalist is TOAST.

Here is the link to the complete YouTube version of this 28 minute documentary if anyone wants to be able to easily share it with their social network.

Posted by: Adrienne at January 12, 2012

“Winning Our Future did not immediately respond to a query about whether it would follow Mr. Gingrich’s request for edits. Fact-checkers have found that the anti-Bain film is riddled with misrepresentations. Editing out all of them might not leave much to work with.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/13/gingrich-asks-super-pac-to-address-errors-in-ad-against-romney/?nl=us&emc=politicsemailema4

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 13, 2012 5:03 PM
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Maybe Romney will apologize for the IA attacks on Newt, and Newt will apologize for his attacks on Romney, and they will all be friends. Oh. And Perry.

So, Royal Flush, what do you think will happen when Paul takes his supporters away from the GOP?

Posted by: phx8 at January 13, 2012 5:29 PM
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phx8, And you know this, about Paul, is fact because…? Could it be from the same buffoon who led you to believe the video you referred to was truthfully devastating for Mitt?

Posted by: Royal Flush at January 13, 2012 5:37 PM
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j2t2

I don’t think it is possible to maintain a clean and organized protest on the street for months. The OWS cannot do it and neither could others. Others are smart enough not to try.

OWS chose the method of their protest. That they have turned the streets into shitholes is also their choice.

Rocky

Re Willard - thanks.

Posted by: C&J at January 13, 2012 5:38 PM
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Just like turning Main Streets into boarded up eye sores was Romney’s choice.

Posted by: jlw at January 13, 2012 8:27 PM
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jlw

But he didn’t do that. On balance, his efforts saved companies. So I suppose Romney’s choice was to make things better.

But all our liberal friends here are betraying an interesting streak which can only be described as latent medieval Christianity. You guys mistrust profit and believe that people should go into business in order to directly help people. As in the Medieval church, you guys think that profit is a sinful thing.

I don’t know of anybody who goes into business to “create jobs for others” with the possible exception of a family business where the owner wants to create jobs for his family and friends.

Business creates jobs because it creates wealth.

In my forestry business, I create jobs. But my goal is to harvest trees. If my main goal was to create jobs, I would soon be unable to do that if I didn’t first create the wealth to support them.

Posted by: C&J at January 13, 2012 8:48 PM
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If you fact check what has been said about Obama by the right, you find that much of it is not accurate or true. But, who bothers to fact check.

C&J, most of the Republicans who don’t like Romney will have no problem believing the worst.

Perhaps Hannity and Limbaugh can stem the tide, get the wing nuts back in line and save the day for the RINO’s.

Posted by: jlw at January 14, 2012 1:12 AM
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