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Back in the clown car, Herman!

About ten days ago, Politico advised the Cain campaign they would be breaking a story about accusations of sexual harrassment aimed at him during his tenure at the National Restaurant Association. That’s plural, by the way, as in more than one accusation. The story broke, and for some reason, Cain seemed totally unprepared. Over a 24 hour period, his memory demonstrated a miraculous improvement, to the point that he remembered a five figure settlement in one of the cases.
Oh dear.
Truly a performance worthy of a clown.

The Cain campaign is over, killed with surprising ease by a rival campaign's leak to Politico. Several questions come to mind. Will someone find a way around the nondisclosure agreements that accomany thse sexual harrassment settlements, and give these women a chance to make their case in public? If that happens, will they lose their settlements?

Perhaps most importantly, who will all those anybody-but-Romney Republicans turn to now that the Cain campaign has suffered such an ignominious end? Perry is the only rival for Romney with enough money to run a campaign beyond South Carolina, but he's painfully lame, and won't even compete in debates anymore.

And wouldn't you love to know which Republican leaked the story to Politico?

Somewhere, Mitt Romney is smiling.

Welcome to the big leagues, Herman. Now, back in the clown car!

Posted by phx8 at October 31, 2011 11:23 PM
Comments
Comment #331299

There is no room on WB for hatchet jobs like this. It is a smear job.

The article stinks more than a bar toilet.

Posted by: tom humes at November 1, 2011 12:32 AM
Comment #331300

Why do you think that, tom humes? Cain has already acknowledged there were settlements on more than one sexual harrassment case, with at least one of them for a five figure sum. He keeps changing his story and gradually remembering more and more. The worst part is that his campaign had warning about this story in advance, yet Cain now seems utterly unprepared to deal with it. Seriously. What is wrong with this guy? A vetting process is normal and to be expected. Each political campaign has staff dedicated to researching opponents, and expenditures of several hundred thousand on research is totally normal.

Don’t feel too bad. Imagine if this story did not come out until next October, with Cain were running against Obama, and two women suddenly stepping forward to denounce Cain, waving their nondisclosure agreements and then tearing them up and telling a teary story… That’s a benefit of this kind of process. The clowns are weeded out before they can do too much damage to everyone around them.

Posted by: phx8 at November 1, 2011 1:02 AM
Comment #331302

Before making any false accusations IMO the women in question need to come forward and present their case, and the restaurant association needs to go back in their records and present them otherwise we have just another one sided news article without all the facts. I’m sure if we dig far enough we could find dirt on everyone who is or has ran for public office.

Posted by: KAP at November 1, 2011 10:19 AM
Comment #331305

KAP,
These women cannot come forward, KAP, because they signed legally binding nondisclosure agreements. That’s how it works. Companies pay off- essentially bribe- employees to go away and never talk about it, in exchange for a cash settlement.

Since these women have not come forward before now, it’s a safe bet they do not want to enter the spotlight and become a part of a media circus. However, inquiring minds want to know, and a lot of people will try very hard to expose them, both people from the rival campaigns and fellow workers from the National Restaurant Association. Like it ornot, it’s only a matter of time before they are forced into the public eye.

Cain’s behavior hurt him. He started the day denying it repeatedly, and by the end of the magically remembered a lot of details. He behaved like a liar.

Posted by: phx8 at November 1, 2011 11:38 AM
Comment #331307

Herman Cain is a loathesome old phony
who tried to show girls his pepperoni.
When they gagged and were wretching,
Ol’ Herm started fetching
for excuses he could use. What baloney.

Posted by: Gary St. Lawrence at November 1, 2011 12:19 PM
Comment #331308

phx8, It still is a one sided show where we don’t really know all the facts. We have seen before where women or even men say untruths about someone just to get back at them for something they did or didn’t do.
GSL, I put you lower then the perverts who sexually harass someone with the comment you made.

Posted by: KAP at November 1, 2011 12:35 PM
Comment #331309

KAP,
We know this fact: Herman Cain was accused of sexual harrassment at least twice, and each time the accuser was paid a five figure sum and signed a non-disclosure agreement. According to the Politico reporter, at least six sources confirmed this. In addition, one of the women went to several other people at the time of the incident. She was VERY upset.

I’m struck by the different ways men and women react to the story. Last night, three conservatives on a talk show discussed the Cain scandal. The two men went on about how this was a witch hunt, a plot by the liberal media, the usual. One of them asked the third conservative on the show, a woman, if she thought the accusations were true. In a tight voice she replied ‘yeah.’ That was it. I don’t know what was going on in that radio booth, but the men changed the subject, and that was that.

Men think this issue will go away because it is ‘just’ accusations about sexual harrassment. No big deal. Women tend to have a very different take. A lot of women are harrassed in the work place, and they know how the system works; how it protects guys like Herman Cain, and leaves them vulnerable in what is often a ‘he said, she said’ situation.

But when it comes time to vote, and if Cain is still on any ballot, men might be willing to overlook the accusations and settlements, but very few women will vote for Cain.

Posted by: phx8 at November 1, 2011 2:11 PM
Comment #331310

What’sa matter you guys?? Don’t like the taste of your own medicine? You’ve been all over Obama like stink on crap, now that you’re stepping over some of your own crap, the odious smell of it doesn’t seem to be all that pleasant.
Get over it because paybacks are usually a bitch.
Tsk, tsk, tom……a hatchet job??? Well, I guess you would be the one to know since you’ve done such a fine job chopping Obama apart.

Posted by: jane doe at November 1, 2011 2:16 PM
Comment #331311

That Herman Cain isn’t ready for the “big leagues”, that he didn’t handle this issue with the skill of a Bill Clinton circa 1992, is a plus and not a minus to the people who support him for President. And he is certainly handling it better than John Edwards did during his run.

The women can’t violate a NDA and yet Politico was able to verify their story? I’ll bet someone will be paying back the settlement monies plus interest real soon.

Posted by: George at November 1, 2011 2:17 PM
Comment #331312

I like how tom humes tries to tell us what we can and cannot write on Watchblog. Is he even a contributor?

I’m sorry, but the Cain campaign hasn’t denied the basic facts: The lobbying firm that Cain headed up as CEO (you know, before he became a Washington Outsider) paid to settle two sexual harrassment cases.

KAP, you should understand that their settlement depended on their keeping their mouths shut, and so far, they have. The reporters found out about it on their own.

At the very least, the cases were strong enough to survive a motion to dismiss, embarrassing enough to be settled, rather than go to trial, and for the settlements to be accompanied by an NDA so they’d be obliged to keep silent about things.

It doesn’t mean things are necessarily as bad as the allegations might imply, but we can sure say that there is legitimate cause to say it looks bad, given the objective facts, and what different elements of the case mean.

Republicans would do a lot better if they didn’t rely on angry claims of liberal media bias to deal with negative stories. Works a lot better if you don’t do your best to keep folks who screw up on your team.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at November 1, 2011 2:19 PM
Comment #331313

George,
The women talked to others at their workplace about the harrassment at the time it happened, before they signed an agreement. Those others could be the source of the story. In addition, people in HR at those companies might have talked to Politico. Supposedly the story has been out there for a while, but the Politico reporter came up with enough corraborating sources to go public- but not before giving the Cain campaign ten days notice.

Re nondisclosure agreements: If others reveal their names, are the women still on the hook about not talking? Cain surely must want to keep those women away from the press. He must want that very, very badly. Meanwhile, the women probably want to stay away from having their lives consumed by a media circus. On the other hand, they probably do not like Herman Cain at all, and resent seeing him standing there denying it ever happened, and being rewarded with money & power & maybe even the presidency.


Posted by: phx8 at November 1, 2011 2:28 PM
Comment #331314

phx8 and Stephen, Me, personnelly I want more than just a Politico story. There has to be someone who isn’t under a non disclosure agreement, someone who knows the truth. If he did sexually harass someone, I would expect him to drop out of the Presidential race. There has been to many allegations from both sides accussing candidates of misconduct. The truth will come out one way or the other.

Posted by: KAP at November 1, 2011 3:05 PM
Comment #331316

KAP,
Cain may drop off the radar before the sexual harrassment accusations develop. In a story broken with a question at FOX, it seems Cain took an illegal $40,000 donation to start his campaign. Cain does not recall. It’s not easy to violate laws surrounding contributions to candidates, but it looks like Cain managed to do it, and if so, his entire campaign would be deemed illegal.

Posted by: Phx8 at November 1, 2011 3:32 PM
Comment #331317

phx8, I agree if indeed he did wrong doing he should drop out, but not until it is proven beyond a shadow of doubt.

Posted by: KAP at November 1, 2011 3:43 PM
Comment #331320

Gary St. Lawrence, your comments are disgusting and are reminiscent of the statements made about Clarence Thomas. I find the racist statements from the left as very offending.

How many on the left defended Clinton, or more recently Weiner? What perverted statements did you say about them, if any?

This racist attack on Cain will do nothing more than galvanize conservatives behind him. Like so many other personal attacks, this will backfire.

Posted by: Jeremiah at November 1, 2011 5:38 PM
Comment #331321

“Cain campaign has biggest online fundraising day”; after the sex charges were made. This proves Jeremiahs point, I think…

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2011/nov/1/picket-cain-campaign-has-biggest-online-fundraisin/

Posted by: Mike at November 1, 2011 5:45 PM
Comment #331323

The liberal left began this election cycle with their smear of Marco Rubio this past July and continuing even now. They have now moved on to Herman Cain. No surprise here, as this is part of Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals.

Alinsky’s Rule 12: Destroy the Individual.

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it. Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

This is just the beginning. It will only get worse.

Posted by: Frank at November 1, 2011 6:03 PM
Comment #331324

We all loved Clinton and he is still a respected figure, as he should be. There was probably nobody in recent political memory more into the ladies.

Even if you believe Anita Hill, what she claimed Thomas implied is what Clinton did outright and repeatedly. Yet feminists defended Clinton as long as he was president, proving that the movement has long moved beyond honesty.

Posted by: C&J at November 1, 2011 6:06 PM
Comment #331327

PHX8, the great political seer, has predicted the demise of Herman Cain. He no doubt knows something that few others on the planet know, or perhaps, he is simply crossing his fingers while typing such drivel.

I have printed his prognostication above so that I have it handy when he is proved false. It will be great fun to reprint it at the appropriate time.

Should actual proof come to light that Mr. Cain is guilty of some offensive conduct towards women, I will gladly eat his words that I have printed off. FAIR ENOUGH…PHX8?

Meanwhile, back in the real world, Mr. Cain is doing just fine attracting ever more adherents to his campaign and the money is flowing into his coffers.

I like Herman Cain for many reasons. While I have not yet made a decision who I will vote for, his name is my first choice at this point.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 1, 2011 6:15 PM
Comment #331330

Frank,
Why do you think the left would want to destroy Herman Cain? It doesn’t make any sense for the left to do that now. It would make a lot of sense, say, three weeks before the election in November, after Cain was already the nominee, when it would be too late to recover. But now? YOu should follow politics sometime. It can be interesting. The media will follow it, for sure, for the salacious aspects in nothing else, even FOX.

I think everyone knows this hit on Cain came from one of his competitors. Perry would be my guess. He has the reputation for playing dirty, and the motivation to go after Cain right now, and the money to put the plan into play. None of the other candidates combine that rep, motivation, and funds. Another possibility would be the Bush people and Rove. They also play dirty, and they see Cain as a bad joke, another Donald Trump ginning up book sales at the expense of their beloved party.

Royal Flush,
Cain may raise money from male donors, but I suspect women will have a much different take. This issue of sexual harrassment is one men don’t understand because they are rarely on the receiving end, but women understand it all too well.

By all means, feel free to remind me of my prognostications.

Posted by: phx8 at November 1, 2011 6:36 PM
Comment #331332

Another development. One woman who accused Cain of sexual harrassment made it known through her lawyer that she wants to step forward. Supposedly Cain violated the non-disparagement clause in the agreement with some of his statements about the issue. We’ll see.

Posted by: phx8 at November 1, 2011 6:44 PM
Comment #331334

phx8

Thank God you are not my attorney!!

Taking what is put in print nowdays could be detrimental ones own eyesight and mental stability.

Posted by: tom humes at November 1, 2011 7:13 PM
Comment #331336

phx8, I can think of one reason the dems may wish to attempt the destruction of Cain now, rather than later. I believe that Cain is the biggest threat to obama, more so than Romney. A potential scandal of this sort just three weeks before the election would not have much affect as most people know dirty politics when they see and smell it. We had a good example of this in the first George W. Bush election.

On the other hand, I too believe it is much more likely that Perry is behind this. I live in Texas and while Perry is a better governor than I believe any of his opponents would have been, I don’t believe I want him as my president.

As for men versus women’s opinions on unproven charges of sexual harassment, I don’t buy your argument. There were many more, and much better documented and believed, charges of sexual harassment against Clinton. And yet, even women’s political organizations were willing to give him a pass. I believe one of their leaders proclaimed that all presidents were entitled to one free “grope”.

Charges of sexual harassment in politics don’t carry the weight they did at one time. And, we have Clinton to thank for that. His actions and the non-consequences of them, have given many voters, women included, a kind of immunization from such unproven smears.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 1, 2011 7:24 PM
Comment #331337

phx8, Why would the women come forward if no names were mentioned? If anyone violated the non disparagement clause it would be Politico for bringing it up causeing Cain to answer to the allocations. Like I said in the last comment I made NOT GUILTY until proven beyond a shadow of doubt otherwise.

Posted by: KAP at November 1, 2011 7:31 PM
Comment #331339
And wouldn’t you love to know which Republican leaked the story to Politico?

Odd you assume it was a Republican… Maybe it was a Republican that took out Jack Ryan as well? I think we all know who was behind that…

Posted by: Rhinehold at November 1, 2011 8:06 PM
Comment #331340

FYI, I have no training in law.

Royal Flush,
Well, I disagree about who would be a tougher competitor for Obama, but it any case, it’s much too early to tell. There are some polls that show Romney would be closest to Obama in a match-up by a couple percentage points, but so what? The campaigns haven’t even begun to spend real money. A story like this would be a good one for the Democrats to keep under wrap until they actually need it. Right now, a couple of Republican presidential candidates need this story, and I mean NOW.

We’ll see how seriously the public takes allegations of sexual harrassment. Maybe you’ll be right, and the public will be inured to such scandls. Like I said, I think it will not go over well with women, not at all, even to the point of terminating the Cain campaign.

KAP,
By its very nature, sexual harrassment cases are usually ‘he said, she said’ cases. There usually aren’t witnesses, except for those who, in the immediate aftermath, the victim might confide in.

It’s true, no names have been mentioned by Cain, but he has claimed the accusations are false and baseless, he has described his version of the incident, and that might be enough to break the agreement about non-disparagement, even if the woman is not identified. But like I said, I am not a lawyer.

However, common sense tells me that if this one woman is willing to come forward, she is probably p***** and has some energy built up over it, and that will not be good for Cain.

Posted by: phx8 at November 1, 2011 8:10 PM
Comment #331341

phx8 Either P***** or is going to say it was all a lie.

Posted by: KAP at November 1, 2011 8:20 PM
Comment #331342

phx8, I do not believe that women are so prone to rush to judgement over “allegations” alone as you claim. I might add that p***** women, who have accepted a payoff, are not likely to have the kind of energy build up you describe.

Now, if sexual assault had occurred, that would be a different story. I don’t believe a compliment that may have been paid, unwelcome by the recipient, or an off-colored joke told at a party, would piss anyone off to the degree you believe.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 1, 2011 8:22 PM
Comment #331343

“Like I said in the last comment I made NOT GUILTY until proven beyond a shadow of doubt otherwise.”

KAP,

The standard is not without a shadow of doubt. It would be more probable than not in a civil case.

Posted by: Rich at November 1, 2011 8:24 PM
Comment #331344

phx8, I might add that if women are so prone to believe allegations, I sure would hate to have one on my jury if I were standing trial for a serious crime. How about you?

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 1, 2011 8:25 PM
Comment #331347

Phx8, Why would the left want to destroy Cain? Because a conservative will present a greater threat to Obama than Romney; in fact the thinking of the left is that Romney, being a RINO, would not attract conservatives to vote for him. If you are really interested in knowing why the left would rather run against Romney, I can present 2 good arguments, if not you can just ignore the links:

http://libertyslifeline.com/2011/10/24/who-would-obama-rather-run-against/

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/10/25/limbaugh-obama-wants-to-run-against-romney-so-obamacare-will-be-off-the-table/

It is a fact that the established Republican Party is not supporting any conservative candidate, and that includes Carl Rove, although I would come closer to believing it is the Romney campaign who released the material on Cain.

“Another development. One woman who accused Cain of sexual harrassment made it known through her lawyer that she wants to step forward. Supposedly Cain violated the non-disparagement clause in the agreement with some of his statements about the issue. We’ll see.”

Posted by: phx8 at November 1, 2011 6:44 PM

What exactly are the charges against Cain? Does anyone know? Or is the media just fishing? What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

“Royal Flush,
Well, I disagree about who would be a tougher competitor for Obama”, by phx8.

Phx8, if you read the above links, you will see that 40% of the voters are conservative, 40% moderate, and 20% liberal. If Cain had the support of conservatives, he would only need a small percentage of moderates to win. On the other hand, if the candidate was Romney, he would not get 40 percent of conservatives and it would give Obama the upper hand. Just as Obama fears no interest in him will cause liberal to stay home and not vote, we find the same thing could happen to Romney with conservative voters.

Posted by: Frank at November 1, 2011 8:47 PM
Comment #331348

Well what a surprise here comes the righties out with the latest “blame the left for our screw ups” conspiracy theory. Even quoting Alinsky,which BTW they seem to do much more so than anyone on the left. It is the “left’s” fault Cain’s past indiscretions were leaked to the press they mutter, fuming about the insult to their favorite candidate. Limbaugh talks conservatives repeat, without questioning.

During the republican primary season the Dems outed a story about the conservative frontrunner de jour of the repubs. Not any of his repub primary opponents that are wanting to win the nomination themselves but the opposing party. Of course the repub opponents wouldn’t do that, it would be (fill in the blank). Of course the leftist would that is how they operate.

If only the Dems were that smart guys.

Well that leaves me wondering, when you sign up as a movement member do they take away your critical thinking skills? Or do those lacking in critical thinking skills sign up as conservative movement members? I should probably ask Rush this question.


Yet feminists defended Clinton as long as he was president, proving that the movement has long moved beyond honesty.

Were that true C&J wouldn’t Cain have simply manned up and told the truth about these indiscretions? The real issue here is Cain’s character, or lack there of. As a motivational speaker one would think Cain of all people would realize that by admitting he made a harassment mistake in the past, well twice we know of, and learning from these mistakes has made him a better person it would at least show some character. As it stands now he has revealed his lack of character. How could any conservative vote for such a lack of honesty and integrity?

Posted by: j2t2 at November 1, 2011 8:52 PM
Comment #331352

I will put this post of predictions in the same file as phx8’s privious post of predictions, remember:

“The Economy is coming on strong

European debt deal
GDP growth rate: 2.5%
DJIA + 339 points
S&P and NASDAQ one-day gains of over 3%
Best October for the stock market since 1987.
As I wrote on July 3rd, the economy is roaring to life. What does this mean for 2012?

During the summer, the DJIA cleared 12000, only to see the economic comeback take a serious hit when the Tea Party threatened to default on US debt, or perhaps cut government spending by 44%, thereby plunging the economy into an instantaneous depression. It was a grave threat by terribly stupid people, and it resulted in a downgrade of US debt by S&P. At last, the market has shaken off that despicable attack launched upon the financial markets by American conservatives. The news is good, and even non-farm payroll numbers are looking up.”

DJIA 11,657.96 -297.05 -2.48%

Posted by: Mike at November 1, 2011 9:15 PM
Comment #331355

Mike,
The non-farm payroll number & unemployment rate comes out Friday. Let’s revisit economic issues then.

Frank,
Someone once said ‘there are only two things that matter in politics. The first one is money. I forget the other one.’

Romney commands money, big money, and that in turn commands organization. Cain has little money and no organization in Iowa or New Hampshire. The only other GOP campaign with bucks is Perry. New Hampshire will go for Romney. Nevada might too. That means Perry would have to wait until South Carolina to even compete. If anyone other than Bachmann wins Iowa, they will bring momentum to South Carolina. Perry must stop anyone else from hitting SC with momentum.

If I were a member of the GOP I would be very unhappy about the prospect of Romney winning the nomination, but it’s hard to see how anyone else will compete once Romney’s big money starts hitting the big states with big media markets.

I think Romney will knock out the competition early, which puts Romney in a good position to unify the party and focus an attack upon Obama. That will make him a tough candidate, because, regardless of whether anyone likes him, or what he believes or doesn’t believe, Romney will have that big money.

As for the statistical breakdown of the electorate, many people who identify themselves as conservatives favor progressive policies. The vast majority of Americans want a withdrawal from Iraq, Afghanistan, and increased taxes on the wealthiest of the wealthy.

But then, that’s why we have elections…

Posted by: phx8 at November 1, 2011 9:30 PM
Comment #331363

I believe you may be surprised by the primaries. RCP polls shows Cain leading in Iowa, Main, NC, Il, OH, AZ, within margin or error in SC and FL, holding a nationwide lead, and closing the gap in NH. There is something about Cain that people like.

Posted by: Frank at November 1, 2011 10:25 PM
Comment #331375
This racist attack on Cain will do nothing more than galvanize conservatives behind him. Like so many other personal attacks, this will backfire.

Jeremiah Are you saying these ladies that received settlements due to Cain’s harassment are racist? Or is Politico a racist organization for writing the story?

BTW have you stopped to think that perhaps those crazy leftist have engineered this attack on Cain specifically to “galvanize conservatives behind him”? Perhaps the left wants Cain to run against Obama?

Posted by: j2t2 at November 2, 2011 9:00 AM
Comment #331381

I am saying, we know nothing about the women, or their settlements. We have no idea what the allegations were, and we don’t know how much the settlements were or the events about how they were paid. Just because a woman cries sexual harrassment, and wants money, does not mean anything happened. Politico ran the story for sensationalism, and the left jumped on it for racial reasons. I don’t think the story came as a result of the lefties; I believe it was leaked by a Republican, but holding true to leftist thinking, “never waste a crisis”, they jumped all over it. I believe the American people are smart enough to see through this peronal attack.

Posted by: Jeremiah at November 2, 2011 11:15 AM
Comment #331387

Good Grief…many writers here sound just like the town WAG…spewing their gossip and embellishing it with every telling. It would seem than many don’t require proof of anything and jump to their conclusions like a puppet on a string. It is a sorry state in which they find themselves, yearning for anything negative to hang their hopes upon and appears a common failing.

Posted by: Royal Flush at November 2, 2011 1:02 PM
Comment #331390
Politico ran the story for sensationalism, and the left jumped on it for racial reasons.

Can you quote a “leftist” that used this for “racial reasons”. What possible “racist reasons” are gained by the left on a charge of harassment? This claim sounds more like sour grapes on your part, or some attempt to save conservative face and redirect the controversy to the left. Remember Rush is a comedian not bound by truth and responsibility but a master at using half truths misinformation and outright lies to gain an audience.

but holding true to leftist thinking, “never waste a crisis”, they jumped all over it.

What crisis Jeremiah? For the left there is no crisis. For the right perhaps a crisis, but according to many here they are circling the wagons around Cain and deflecting the criticism. For Cain’s opponents in the repub party there is opportunity and they seem to be enjoying the “crisis of character” Cain has displayed. Where do you think the left got the idea of never waste a crisis? Perhaps a little less Limbaugh and a bit more critical thinking?

Posted by: j2t2 at November 2, 2011 2:37 PM
Comment #331428


Cain says the Perry Camp outed his sexual harassment past. Perry and Rush say it was Romney.

A third victim/accuser has stepped forward.

One would think that Republican women would want to support a good, wholesome, monogamous Christian. Someone like Obama.

Posted by: jlw at November 3, 2011 2:04 PM
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