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CA-36 Remains Blue, Now What?

Democrat Janice Hahn has defeated Republican Craig Huey 55% to 45% in the special election for CA-36. Is there anything to be read from this result? Or is this just a Democrat winning back a liberal seat in California? Can the GOP gain any hope even from the loss?

Previous Democrat Jane Harman held the seat for 9 terms. Harman won 69% of the vote in 2008 but in the previous 3 elections she hovered in the low 60% range. In the 2010 backlash against Democrats in Congress she still held 59% of the vote to defeat her Republican challenger.

Had Republican Huey made the election closer I might say it means something positive for the GOP. Given that the Tea Party backed candidate could only carve another 4% off the Democratic voting block this time around, I'd say this loss can't be reasonably turned into a warning against Democrats.

In my opinion this election means nothing for either side other than the Democrats can still win their liberal seats. We knew this already though. Maybe I'm wrong. Is there anything useful to be read from this election?

Posted by Adam Ducker at July 13, 2011 9:57 AM
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Comment #325673

It’s hard to take the win as anything overly significant, but I’d like to think that the spectacles the conservatives are showing all over is producing some positive effects for us. We just aren’t continuing to be as submissive as we sometimes are, and are countering all the bullying tactics that are the standard M.O. of their “tea party driven” movements.

Posted by: jane doe at July 13, 2011 1:39 PM
Comment #325677


By gosh, things will be different after conservatives carve their own state out of California.

Posted by: jlw at July 13, 2011 2:47 PM
Comment #325680

Yes. Repugnant ads don’t work.

Posted by: Spinny Liberal at July 13, 2011 2:59 PM
Comment #325681

Spinny Liberal-
Yeah, I was going to chide you for making fun of Republicans, but then I remembered the ad you’re talking about.

I just have to wonder how Republicans sell themselves as the cultural saviors of the land when they let folks run ads like that.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at July 13, 2011 3:09 PM
Comment #325688

SD

I have not idea what ad you are talking about and care less.

And I guess the democrats have never run an ad that had bad taste or lied in it?

Get real!!

Posted by: tom humes at July 13, 2011 4:39 PM
Comment #325689

Tom Humes: “And I guess the democrats have never run an ad that had bad taste or lied in it?”

Well, I’ve never seen a campaign ad quite like this one. That kind of quality and class is almost unprecedented from the right and the left.

Posted by: Adam Ducker at July 13, 2011 4:58 PM
Comment #325690

Adam Ducker,

I don’t know. Maybe a campaign that equated a multiple amputee War Veteran as Osama Bin Ladin would be greater?

Posted by: Aldous at July 13, 2011 5:18 PM
Comment #325694

A liberal winning a liberal seat means nothing. In fact, with the lockstep groupthink that government must provide for us, it is to be expected.

The only thing such an expected result does is give liberals the false belief that the majority of the country supports their views.

Posted by: kctim at July 13, 2011 5:56 PM
Comment #325695

Aldous-
Well, that one was sick, but it didn’t match the absurdity or racism of the one used against Hahn.

Tom Humes-
Most Democrats are well-integrated enough into popular culture to know how their campaign commercials are going to come off, simply on an aesthetic level.

They don’t create commercials like Tim Pawlenty that make him look like he’s going to save the world from an asteroid. They don’t create commercials with fake looking sheep with glowing red eyes, or ones where their opponents expand into a blimp like something out of a bad eighties monster movie’s desperate ending.

This has to be the worst, most unintentionally funny campaign commercial I’ve recently seen from a Democrat. So, by comparison, who’s commercials are really indicating that they’re out of touch?

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at July 13, 2011 6:09 PM
Comment #325696

kctim,

Nice to know you think the loss of a Consevative Seat in New York was a significant event.

Posted by: Aldous at July 13, 2011 6:09 PM
Comment #325697

kctim-
False because you’ve proven it wrong, or false because you think that underneath, all those poll results in favor of the entitlements are BS?

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at July 13, 2011 6:11 PM
Comment #325699


Is this the most famous of all?

One, two, three, four,….ten, nine, eight, seven,…

“These are the stakes, to make a world in which all God’s children can live or to go into the dark. We must either love eachother or we must die.”

“Vote for President Johnson on November 3. The stakes are to high for you to stay home.”

Posted by: jlw at July 13, 2011 7:06 PM
Comment #325700

jlw,

Interesting that you have to go 50 years for a Democratic example.

Posted by: Aldous at July 13, 2011 7:34 PM
Comment #325703
In fact, with the lockstep groupthink that government must provide for us

kc I’m confused, the government hasn’t provided any groupthink for me to lockstep to. Are you sure it isn’t the Tea Party doing this and claiming they are the government now ;)

Posted by: j2t2 at July 13, 2011 8:04 PM
Comment #325705

lockstep groupthink?

Only Republicans do that.

Democrats couldn’t groupthink their way across a calm lake on a rowboat.

Posted by: Aldous at July 13, 2011 8:36 PM
Comment #325714


Aldous, I’m just saying that is considered one of, if not, the most effective political adds in history. Ran against a man who should rightfully be the tea party’s greatest hero.

To even things up, how about Willie Horton?

Your right about Democrats and the rowboat, but Republicans are no better, incandescent light bulbs.

Posted by: jlw at July 14, 2011 12:47 AM
Comment #325715

Aldous
Was it really a Conservative seat, or was it a Republican seat?
Democrat and Republican seats are much easier to lose, especially when there is more than one choice for either on the ticket.

SD
False because those polls you mention usually have conflicting results. Take the recent HCR fiasco, 70+% said they were “for” it, but yet less than half were willing to pay for it. When it comes to entitlement programs, you do not support them if you are not willing to finance them.
Conflicting results and fear based questions prove nothing.

J2
Wouldn’t all the Tea Party members still be Republicans if they succumbed to groupthink?

Besides, I stated it was liberal groupthink that believes govt must provide for all, and while liberals may use govt to force such beliefs onto all, I do not believe all of govt itself is totally guilty, yet.

Posted by: kctim at July 14, 2011 1:16 AM
Comment #325717

kctim,

It was a Conservative seat. Democrats haven’t won there in 20+ years.

Tea Party members ARE Republicans.

As for what liberals believe about government, we don’t want the elderly to eat dogfood and poor children to starve. I’m sorry Repuglicans don’t feel the same.

Posted by: Aldous at July 14, 2011 2:29 AM
Comment #325732

Aldous,

Tea party members are a subset of republicans. The question could be phrased like this:

If the republicans are privy to group think, how can there be ‘moderate’ republicans and ‘extreme’ republicans. For instance, the current idea that the ‘extreme right’ is preventing the moderates from striking a deal on the debt ceiling.

It seems as if most liberals like to hold republicans and conservatives in two, mutually exclusive, views—-then support whichever view is convenient for that specific argument. One in which they are lockstep in line with party politics, the other where the extremist are holding the rest of the party hostage.

Posted by: adam at July 14, 2011 12:44 PM
Comment #325737

kctim-
Well, let me propose something perhaps a little scandalous here: people are not rigid in what they’re willing to accept. They are not uniformly committed to, or against many policies. The consequences of those policies, though, will remain pretty much similar regardless.

You call it a Healthcare Fiasco. No, the real fiasco was the opposition to it, which despite having torn the country apart emotionally, was unable to prevent this legislation from passing, and has since been unable to repeal it.

Questions about complex matters are often an exercise in subjective focus. Raising the debt ceiling doesn’t rate high, but most likely raised interest rates, currency collapse, and other adverse consequence rate rather low, too.

This why simple, reactionary politics is a hazard to this country’s future, and why the Tea Party is such a liability to its own cause, to it’s own party. They move without considering that people’s opinions might differ between abstract principles and real world actions, that when all the consequences and problems become apparent, that people might not be as willing to tolerate the pain of the transitions, even in their own party.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at July 14, 2011 3:25 PM
Comment #325758

Very good points adam.

“This why simple, reactionary politics is a hazard to this country’s future, and why the Tea Party is such a liability to its own cause, to it’s own party. They move without considering that people’s opinions might differ between abstract principles and real world actions, that when all the consequences and problems become apparent, that people might not be as willing to tolerate the pain of the transitions, even in their own party.”

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at July 14, 2011 03:25 PM

I might ask the exact same questions of the extreme liberal side of the Democratic Party, and the consequences of the extreme left may be a liability to the Democratic Party too. You claim the Tea Party Republicans are detrimental to the Republican Party, and yet:

“A recent NBC/Wall Street Journal poll found that more than 80 percent of self-identified tea party supporters oppose raising the debt ceiling. Even Democrats only favored increasing the debt ceiling by 49 percent to 45 percent. Independents also opposed increasing the debt ceiling, by a whopping 71 percent to 24 percent margin”

I want you to read these polls and if you really want to know the truth about what the tea partiers and those who support TP ideals then you might read carefully this link:

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/TeaParty-DebtLimit-JohnBoehner-RepublicanParty/2011/07/09/id/403013

Whether you agree with their policies or not, they are a force to be reckoned with.

There have been a consistent 50+% of voters who have called for the repeal of Obamacare for almost 2 years. I might add the supporting of Obamacare cost many Democrats their political careers in 2010.

Posted by: Mike at July 14, 2011 9:08 PM
Comment #325767

“I might add the supporting of Obamacare cost many Democrats their political careers in 2010.”

Guess what is going to happen to Republicans if they persist in their plans to cut Medicare. They rode the Obamacare cuts in Medicare to victory in 2010, along with the “death panel” absurdities. As soon as they got in Congress, they turned around and promptly proposed the largest cuts in Medicare and Medicaid in its history. Do you think the public is so stupid and gullible not to notice?

Posted by: Rich at July 14, 2011 10:24 PM
Comment #325774

Mike,

If the public opposed RomneyCare so much then why does the GOP Congress not repeal it? Could it be that they are only opposed to OTHER people getting care instead?

Posted by: Aldous at July 15, 2011 1:10 AM
Comment #325777

Aldous

I say it was more of a Republican seat and the Democrat picked it up because the Tea Party members voted for the Tea Party candidate instead of the Republican candidate.

Not all Tea Party members are Republicans. For those who care about facts, they can go to a TP meeting and find members who are Republican, Conservative, Libertarian and moderate Democrat.

“As for what liberals believe about government, we don’t want the elderly to eat dogfood and poor children to starve. I’m sorry Repuglicans don’t feel the same”

BS political fear mongering. NOBODY wants the elderly and poor to starve. People just disagree on how best to address the problem. Some people believe individual rights must be taken into account and others believe their personal view of society is the only thing that matters. Some people would rather give their time and money to organizations that actually help those in need and others would rather have govt deal with the problem so that they themselves do not have to put their money where their mouth is.
IF liberals believe as you say they do, then why do they spend their time and money complaining about everybody else instead of helping those they “say” they care about?

Posted by: kctim at July 15, 2011 9:48 AM
Comment #325779

SD

I agree that most people are not rigid in what they are willing to accept. Most people really do care what happens to their fellow countrymen. What divides us are the consequences, higher taxes, loss of choice, and the end result of loss of individual freedoms.

Left and right agree that the HCR was a fiasco. The right because of the individual mandate and the left because the individual mandate is not to govt.

“that people might not be as willing to tolerate the pain of the transitions”

I agree. We the People have been conditioned to give up our individual rights rather than tolerate any pain that comes from keeping those rights.

Posted by: kctim at July 15, 2011 10:08 AM
Comment #325782

aldous


“If the public opposed RomneyCare so much then why does the GOP Congress not repeal it? Could it be that they are only opposed to OTHER people getting care instead?”


explaine to me, how does congress repeal a state law aldous?

now if you are refering to obama care the house has already passed a bill repealing it. of course with out it getting through the senate, and being signed by the president, it can’t happen.

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