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Call It By It's True Name: BreitbartGate

Is he the guy who’s actually behaving scandalously? From all accounts, the original story, that he was cheating on his wife, or at least sending lewd pictures to a young admirer was a total setup. Even if the image was him, it was a private photo gained by unsavory means, not an inadvertantly released document of Representative Anthony Weiner’s personal immorality.

The real scandal here is that his accuser is accorded credibility.I documented his failures of honesty in a previous entry here.

The plain, cold truth about Breitbart, is that he tells the Republicans and Right what they want to hear, but shows no real concern for whether he's misinforming his audience, at the very least.

You don't have this many stories revealed to have, say, a certain conservative bias, a certain selective relationship with the truth, if you're doing what real journalists do. The rules that good journalists follow are there for more than just butt-covering. They keep reporters honest, and they keep the stories as close to the truth as possible.

The proper response to percieved bias elsewhere is not to generate your own bias, but to apply the discipline of fact-checking and verification to all potential sides of the story. It's not merely a matter of some damn fool idealistic crusade for the truth, but a necessary pursuit of it for the sake of a healthy society.

The pitiful thing here is that somebody waves a penis in the press's face, and that's all many people can focus on. Whose rooster is this, going cock-a-doodle doo?

Doesn't ****ing matter. What matters is that somebody thought so little of you, out there in America, that instead of confronting Weiner, ACORN, Planned Parenthood, and Shirley Sherrod on the merits, they've instead decided that you only deserve to be run around in circles following false and unreliable versions of the facts. They've decided that your political interests come second to theirs, and as such, they are entitled to deceive you, get you going on something that's not real, so they can push their agenda ahead.

Republicans have recently complained about Democrats hitting them on Medicare. But the fact is, they have indeed, almost to a man, taken the leap and voted yes on a proposal to completely remake and privatize Medicare administration of services, reducing the promise of whatever care seniors might need, to whatever they can get for non-inflation indexed amount, one which will fall in value as inflation, both medical and otherwise, increase costs.

Republicans claim this will solve the medical cost problems for the government, but it only does it by compounding one for the average citizen. Americans won't save money on Medicare, they'll simply pay a different way.

This is an awful proposal on the merits, as far as many people are concerned. What took months to look bad with the Democrat's quite benign changes to Medicare and its drug benefit, pretty much offends people on the spot about the Republican's proposal.

But rather than see this as a sign to back off, many Republicans instead pandered to their diehard supporters by voting together for it. Having done this, though, they don't want to weather the fallout from that decision.

And now, having stuck his foot in it, Breitbart wants to clean his shoe of the poo he himself is responsible for stepping in.

Seriously, isn't this the question. Breitbart should have asked before he posted anything? Shouldn't he have known?

Obviously, as long as it was juicy and embarrassed Liberals, he was game. But when his juicy twitter-scandal started to blowback on him, he's throwing Wolfe to the wolves, trying to turn his audience on his old source.

The tolerance of this kind of dishonest and unethical behavior from the right needs to stop. I know some on the right will instantly bring up Dan Rather, or something like that, but Dan Rather's career as a newscaster basically ended after his source turned out to be dishonest. He was held accountable. Why is there a double standard for Republican reporters and conservative sources?

I would like to believe that Republicans and Conservatives care whether they are lied to. I would like to believe that their definition of freedom includes transparency from their government. I would like to believe that they hold their own self-interests sacred enough that they wouldn't want to be manipulated by their fellow conservatives towards supporting or opposing something based on falsehoods.

If reality is not a check on your party's presentation of the facts, than anything can be redefined to support the interests of the party's leaders, and not necessarily to the benefit of those who vote Republican in good faith.

Posted by Stephen Daugherty at June 3, 2011 2:19 PM
Comments
Comment #323926

stephen

if its weiners wiener then he needs to just say so. this would not exist if he, or someone else hadn’t taken that picture. if you don’t want it to slip out at some point and embarass you, make sure it doesn’t exist.

the fact of the matter is that if this would have been a republican you would be singing a different tune. but it isn’t so instead you’ll try to continue and cloud the issue by trying to make it about someone, or something else. sorry stephen the horse is already out of the barn. he could put this all to rest very easily, but isn’t. why? people who are innocent and have nothing to hide aren’t usually this evasive when asked simple questions. the truth is if he answers the questions it’s cleared up and no longer a distraction. what gives?

BTW i don’t care what breitbart did or didn’t do. if the ammunition was never there he couldn’t have used it. weiners penis envy came back to bite him in the ass. nuff said.

Posted by: dbs at June 3, 2011 4:00 PM
Comment #323927

Stephen The republicans are just jealous as I have always known Democrat’s Have bigger schlongs.

Posted by: Jeff at June 3, 2011 4:19 PM
Comment #323933

dbs-
Why is the issue about him? If you can’t prove that it’s him, then it’s a non-issue. If you can prove that, but you can’t prove adultery, then the next most likely possibility is that he and his wife send dirty pictures to one another, and somebody stole a personal picture, making it no more our business than whether our next door neighbor has sex toys.

What is an issue, though, is that Breitbart has done this multiple times, and as with other times, there’s no evidence that Weiner was doing what Breitbart was claiming he was doing.

Which is why Breitbart’s all of a sudden throwing his source under the bus.

Does it even matter to you that somebody thinks you’re a sucker, because of your trust in your fellow conservatives? That they’ll exploit that to get ahead? To manipulate you into ignoring other issues, or into backing policies you might otherwise not?

If you want to be free, you have to free your mind first, and people like Breitbart are the prison wardens of the current conservative movement.

Oh, and for your information, Penis Envy is the Freudian name for the supposed envy girls have of boy possessing penises. If Weiner is indeed possess the manhood implied by the photo, he has little to envy others about.

As for ammunition? Your ammunition is either worthless, and you’re firing blanks, or it was stolen, and you’re enjoying the fruits of an invasion of privacy, most likely of a married couple. So, either the Republicans are complete fools on this matter, or their behavior comes across as the voyeuristic violation of a married couple’s privacy.

Way to go!

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 3, 2011 5:33 PM
Comment #323934

Stephen, Like I said in GSL’s post, Let the FBI investigate the Hack unless he has something to hide. As dbs said you would be singing a different tune if it were a republican.

Posted by: KAP at June 3, 2011 5:35 PM
Comment #323943

stephen

“If you want to be free, you have to free your mind first”

exactly.

you’re the one freaking out over this. all i said is that if he just tells the truth, and allows an official investigation, this will all go away,……or……maybe it won’t.

“Does it even matter to you that somebody thinks you’re a sucker, because of your trust in your fellow conservatives?”

not really.

i just put myself in his place, and in doing so assuming this is all BS tell the truth, and let the FBI do thier job. seems pretty cut and dry to me. that is unless you’re hiding somthing.

Posted by: dbs at June 3, 2011 8:07 PM
Comment #323945

Stephen

You think those links you included improve the situation for our friend?

If someone asked me if it was my picture, I could say categorically no, since I have never taken a picture like that, let alone posted it anywhere.

Our little Weiner friend’s problem is NOT the original picture. It is his lame responses. As I wrote in the other side, he is a strange little man, and the more it talks the stranger he looks.

Posted by: C&J at June 3, 2011 8:23 PM
Comment #323947

c&j

“As I wrote in the other side, he is a strange little man, and the more it talks the stranger he looks.”

he is a creepy little fella isn’t he.

Posted by: dbs at June 3, 2011 8:50 PM
Comment #323948

dbs

He is indeed creepy. I think that his creepy style is a big reason he is crashing and burning. He is very clever, but he gives the impression of one who has only a casual acquaintance with objective truth.

Posted by: C&J at June 3, 2011 9:06 PM
Comment #323951

C&J-
Look, I’m not saying Weiner was wise to hedge what he said the way he did. But if he’s got something to hide, it’s probably not the photo. The picture in question is unique among all the pictures that showed up on his twitterfeed, and almost certainly not from his Blackberry.

Now, we can act like bunch of immature little children and gossip about what he has to hide, or, we can turn around, look at evidence, and decide what is likely based on the evidence.

The evidence suggests this is likely just some random internet image. If other evidence comes along, we can revise that, but let me put it to you like I did in the other column: If it is Representative Weiner in the picture, then how did Wolfe and Breitbart get this picture? If it is actual infidelity with somebody else, why go through all the trouble of creating a false affair, when a real affair, which would only get more troublesome for him the deeper they went, is there to be exposed?

Why isn’t the real target of the flying flesh-missile not stepping forward?

If it wasn’t sent by the Congressman in any shape or form, this leak of the photo, if it’s him, would constitute an invasion of privacy. If so, isn’t a little skeevy to ask him to reveal all? He may feel that enough has been revealed.

If it’s not real, if Weiner is not the pistol-packing pecadillerist in question, then this whole bloody affair, and the calls for Weiner to confess are ****ing pointless, and worse, it means your people have been played for fools.

Now, I can bring all this evidence and logic to bear when the question is raised, why shouldn’t he come clean.

What evidence, pray tell, do the Republicans have that he has something to hide that he isn’t entitled to keep to himself? What benefit is the public gaining from knowing for sure?

You don’t have proof of infidelity, you don’t have proof of relationships with underaged girls, you don’t even have a case that he sent the photo himself. Hell, it’s getting more and more unlikely that it’s him in the photo.

So what’s left to reveal? Maybe he just doesn’t want anybody poking in his business that he doesn’t have to. But at this point, what’s left to reflect badly on him, besides a mangled comment?

Which is why you and others are focusing on that now. But hell, just a few days ago, you had the potential of infidelity and a collosally stupid misposting of a scandalous photo.

Now, all you got is a bunch of people trying to teach Anthony Weiner a Public Relations lesson. The big disaster isn’t infidelity, isn’t statutory rape, it’s flubbed messaging.

That’s pathetic.

Meanwhile, you have an online publisher who has repeatedly deceived his readers, and the rest of the media, helping to create other controversies that also turn out to be set up on false prentenses for the most part.

That is what I think the larger scandal is: the toleration of deliberately dishonest journalism on the right. This isn’t merely right-wing bias, this is the deliberate falsifying of accounts in their story in order to create fals impressions.

Why isn’t the conservative community throwing this person out on his ear? Don’t they understand that his credibility problem, like Glenn Beck’s, is becoming their credibility problem? That in fact, this is true of any of their reporters who runs deceptive stories with such regularity?

If the Republicans so desperately need to be taken seriously, if they don’t want to be seen as fringe or dumb, or lacking in honesty, if they want to make it harder for others to claim that they’re racist or bigotted, they need to see such problems as more than just failures to communicate properly. They need to understand that real errors are being made here, and trying to hid from that will not make things better.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 3, 2011 9:47 PM
Comment #323952

Stephen

Weiner acts silly and made a fool out of himself.

re dishonest journalism - only Weiner could put an end to that. His statement that it might not be him doesn’t do the job. He is creepy.

Did you actually listen to Glen Beck? He was generous to Weiner, so was Bill OReilly.

Now think of all the things “your” guys said about Sarah Palin Didn’t some clown called Ed Schultz call Laura Ingraham a slut? You have no basis to talk.

Anyway, the bottom line is that Weiner is a little creepy. That is why he is in trouble. Nobody but Weiner is responsible.

Posted by: C&J at June 3, 2011 10:04 PM
Comment #323953

So I get edited for my remarks which were far more mild than others. If I were a liberal I would never get edited. But I’m not so I get edited every so often when the nerve gets touched a bit. And you are for free speech? What a joke. I know of others who have been edited when they were trying to join in the discussion in their own way.

So a liberal can say “screw” or “schlong” or those other phrases that show a liberals ability to street talk. But HOLY MACKERAL don’t let a conservative use that kind of talk and particularly when it is aimed at a liberal.

Good Luck and Good Night

P.S. That phrase is from a liberal of long ago.

Posted by: tom humes at June 3, 2011 10:26 PM
Comment #323960

C&J-
So, now you’re down to vague, personal impressions of his demeanor? If such high-school clique-talk is all you’ve got to offer in the face of my accusations, then you’re in trouble.

You can throw Schultz out there, but he didn’t go unpunished for calling her a slut. I don’t mind that he was punished, and I don’t see how this equates. Palin’s not call stupid, or treated as foolish because it’s politically convenient. Ask what magazines or newspapers she reads, she was stumped. She opened her mouth on the ride of Paul Revere and not only got the people Paul Revere was trying to warn wrong, but claimed that he was defending a constitutional amendment whose basic document was well over a decade away from its creation, and which wasn’t going to be ratified itself for another seventeen years.

Sarah Palin claims to put up the state jet on E-Bay, neglects to mention it wasn’t sold. She tells us she opposed the Ketchikan Bridge, but supported it right up to the point it was defunded by Congress.

I could go on, but my point is, by the facts alone, Palin earns a reputation for dishonesty, for not seeing responsibilities through, and for being a foolish person. She may know how to play the Republican voters, but that’s it.

Your basic problem is, you have politicians at work who are using the media bias of the Conservative media as a means to escape having to be capable candidates of necessary virtue.

tom humes-
I haven’t edited anything in this column.

I don’t mind you sayings screw or Schlong, but I’d pull back a little from that line, because I don’t know how Cameron feels about it, on either side, and really it’s his right to edit the contents of this private forum.

On a final note, it seems kind of Ironic that a guy who red-baits as much as you have quoting a man who helped inspire the backlash against McCarthy.

The real question here is why Breitbart can go on one witchhunt after another, come up with highly edited material, and then still be trusted as a sorce.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 3, 2011 11:43 PM
Comment #323961

Speaking of creepy…

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 3, 2011 11:48 PM
Comment #323962

C&J, dbs, your wrong I just watched an 8 minute interview from last night with Weiner and he is not creepy at all,IMHO. In fact he was reather dercent about the whole thing.

Creepy is the guy who alerted Breitbart to this “scandal”.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/05/29/980400/-Breitbarts-

Posted by: j2t2 at June 3, 2011 11:55 PM
Comment #323963

oops that should be “In fact he was rather decent”

Posted by: j2t2 at June 3, 2011 11:57 PM
Comment #323969

stephen

“So, now you’re down to vague, personal impressions of his demeanor? If such high-school clique-talk is all you’ve got to offer in the face of my accusations, then you’re in trouble.”


you’re kidding right? there is nothing vague about the comments made with regards to weiner by myself and the others. and i’m sorry, but he is a creepy little man. BTW you can try and turn the tables by making this about breitbart, but it will still be about weiner. all your whining about breitbart is just a distraction.

Posted by: dbs at June 4, 2011 8:39 AM
Comment #323976

SD

So, when I present facts as facts straight-up they are red-baiting to you.

You know absolutely little about McCarthy so don’t start in there; you will lose that argument.

You have a lot of growing up to do and nothing I do can help you. That is a solo project for yourself.

I appears you always have to say something to show you have knowledge and wisdom. You don’t have either. You need to study thoroughly the book of Proverbs and apply that to your character. Then you will begin to have knowledge and wisdom.

Posted by: tom humes at June 4, 2011 10:55 AM
Comment #323985

Weiner is today’s story but the one I am following with great interest is the story about John Edwards being charged with Election Finance Fraud.

Edwards was a real darling of the left and, if circumstances had changed slightly, could be president right now. Wasn’t he some democrats vice presidential running mate? This man is a living depiction of “scum”. He easily fooled many on the left. The very first time I saw this guy in the debates I knew he was just about the lowest form of humanity I had ever seen. It proves, once again, that some dems and libs will follow just about anyone who manages to mouth the right words.

Seeing this person (I just can’t use the word man) indicted by a federal grand jury restores some of my faith in our judicial system. I won’t pronounce him guilty, but that prospect, and his spending up to 30 years in prison, if convicted, is very possible.

Posted by: Royal Flush at June 4, 2011 1:25 PM
Comment #323986
BTW you can try and turn the tables by making this about breitbart, but it will still be about weiner. all your whining about breitbart is just a distraction.

Breitbart is a distraction at best dbs, I will give you that. In fact Breitbart is a discredited propagandist and known liar. Because he publishes dubious claims without any credibility makes him a distraction at best. But just because Breitbart says Weiner is guilty of anything doesn’t make it so. Read the link in my previous comment and it will clear the hoax up.

Posted by: j2t2 at June 4, 2011 1:53 PM
Comment #323991

Stephen

He is a creepy little guy. That is indeed my impression. I am not surprised he answered the way he did, because he is a creepy little guy.

Forget about his. This Weiner is cooked. Cut the loss. There is no reason to defend him. He is indeed creepy. He is a flash in the pan, an entertaining little geek with no longevity. Frankly, I will miss him. He appears a lot on O’Reilly. Bill O’Reilly can usually best him in the arguments, but the little guy puts up a good fight.

Posted by: C&J at June 4, 2011 4:04 PM
Comment #324000

tom humes-
You were not censored, at least not by me, and you should know by now that Watchblog has limitations on content you can post. Also, though, there are certain words that can set off the filter on this site that’s meant to prevent spam comments. Among them is the “s” word (the one with three letters), which might enter into this kind of conversation.

I want you to step back a moment and look at all the posts you’ve been able to get away with. If your conservatism is making you a target, then Mr. Magoo is doing the aiming.

Royal Flush-
Edwards is a dead issue for Democrats. You might talk about him being so magnetic and persuasive, but he wasn’t good enough to get past voters in 2008, so it’s a moot point.

As for following anybody who mouths the right words? Like Donald Trump, Sarah Palin, George W. Bush, Newt Gingrich, Tom DeLay… Oh, that’s right, that’s the Republicans.

Look, your people are heading over the cliff, and many of your people are willing to follow them. Ours are doing smart things politically, like taking Medicare cuts off the table in our negotiations on the Debt Ceiling.

Why don’t you put your wonderful instincts concerning how people should act politically to work, and start saving your party, instead of telling us how to run ours.

C&J-
Cut our losses? Over what? And do you really think his district, which re-elected him by over 60% in 2010 is going to throw him over the side for a photo you can’t even prove is his?

He’ll take a hit but he’ll likely go from a large majority to a slightly smaller one. If they had succeeded in proving their charges, they might have had a chance, but you relied on people who are sloppy at best and dishonest at worst to do your reporting.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 4, 2011 7:09 PM
Comment #324010

Stephen

I just mean that Weiner will never again be mentioned without provoking a smile. He will indeed probably win again, but he has lost his credibility.

He may yet come back. He is amusing. Al Sharpton still gets to be a pundit and look at his past.

Posted by: C&J at June 4, 2011 10:30 PM
Comment #324012

C&J-
And that may be all the point to this that there is. The whole affair was a set up, a dirty trick of the kind that Nixon’s crew employed. Rat-****ing.

The real scandal is that conservatives still trust anything that comes out of this guy’s mouth, much less his site. Do you want to ride this gentleman’s false reporting down? He might scapegoat his followers when the going gets rough, but after so many times putting stuff up that turned out to be false, only half the story, this strategy of blaming the Democrats for believing the false stories, or blaming the victim for not having made a perfect response to the false controversy gets a little old.

The real scandal is that Breitbart’s reckless disregard for the truth is acceptable among your people, and throughout both mainstream and conservative media outlets, that the rush to gets stories that serve a certain purpose, and/or have sensational value leads to stories what betray the audience’s need to learn the truth.

That’s what’s leading this country astray, leading them into sin (which is the original meaning of the term scandal). I can understand wanting people to stick up for your side, but you also need people in a society who either don’t have a side, or who have principles that allow them to depart from doing just what benefits their partisan inclination, in order to do what is right and practically correct.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 5, 2011 11:10 AM
Comment #324015

Stephen, This is about Weiner and his skirting the media’s questions. I’m sure if it were a Republican people like Schultz, Maddow and Mathews would jump all over it as Breitbart did and as you might have and every liberal on this blog. All I have read from most conservatives on this blog is that he should have had the aledged hacking investigated by the FBI to put it at rest and prove his guilt or innocence.

Posted by: KAP at June 5, 2011 1:41 PM
Comment #324020

Stephen & KAP

The ONLY reason this remains a story was Weiner. He seems to like the attention. All he would have needed to say was that he never had a picture like that taken of him and if it was of him, someone had somehow stealthily and illegally took it. Simple. I could say that with 100% certainty if it happened to me. I assume you could too. That Weiner had to obfuscate showed he is indeed a creep.

KAP is right that Schultz, Maddow and Mathews would do worse. They HAVE done worse. How angry were you when Schultz called Laura Ingraham a “slut” or when liberal pundits made fun of Bristol Palin and reported that Sarah Palin’s younger child was actually Bristol’s?

You have no call to be outraged, neither does Weiner.

Weiner is creepy. You don’t need anybody else to tell you that. I didn’t know where the original picture came from. All I saw was Weiner being creepy. It was his own fault.

Posted by: C&J at June 5, 2011 3:41 PM
Comment #324029

Republican Sex Scandals
Full list of scandals at Moral Values

2011
In Wisconsin, Republican state Senator Randy Hopper, while claiming to still live with his wife, was actually living outside the district he represents with a much younger 25-year-old mistress. In early 2011, the mistress was hired by a conservative lobbyist firm and given a state employee’s job at rate of pay much higher than the previous person doing the job.[1][2][3]

2010
NRCC (National Republican Congressional Committee) uses a strip club named Forty Deuce in Las Vegas for fundraiser gatherings with Pete Sessions in attendance. He claims there was no nudity involved.[4][5][6] In Feb. 2009, Tao, another Las Vegas club of questionable family values and clothing requirements, was used.


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RNC uses party funds to pay rich, young Republican donors to attend a Hollywood night club specializing in lesbians, bondage, and S&M.Washington Post March 30, 2010[7] Michael Steele appears to have authorized it at least indirectly as part of his “off the hook” PR campaign. A Young Republican who knew Steele personally named Erik Brown was involved.


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Roy Ashburn, the conservative Republican California state senator, who was arrested in March of 2010 for drunk driving after reportedly leaving a gay bar, has acknowledged that he is gay. Ashburn, a divorced father of four, has repeatedly voted in opposition to gay rights, and in 2005 hosted a rally in favor of “traditional marriage.” He has voted against expanding anti-discrimination laws to include sexual orientation, recognizing out-of-state gay marriages and establishing a day honoring gay lawmaker Harvey Milk. [8]

2009
Mike Duvall, a Republican politician and a former member of the California State Assembly, resigned after his sex comments were broadcast in Sept. 2009. In the video, the married family-values crusader from Yorba Linda talks in graphic detail about women he said he slept with — at least one of whom appeared to be a lobbyist with business before the utilities committee on which Duvall sat as vice chairman. [9][10]

Paul Stanley, Republican former member of the Tennessee Sen., resigned from the state Senate effective Aug. 10, after his affair with a 22-year-old intern and a subsequent extortion attempt was revealed to the public. [11][12]

Mark Sanford, governor of South Carolina, disappears during Father’s Day weekend, returning to confess an extramarital affair in Argentina. [13][14][15]

John Ensign, Senator from Nevada, refuses to resign after confessing to an extramarital affair with a married staffer, claiming she was trying to extort him.[16] Later, it was learned he was attempting to pay her and her husband off through his parents and finding them jobs.[17]


Alan David Berlin in all his gloryAlan David Berlin, He is an aide for Senator Jane Orie of Pennsylvania. He is also a furry who contacted a fifteen year old boy over the internet, and offered to “yiff” the boy in a panda outfit, while his parents weren’t home. The parents discovered the graphic emails on the boy’s computer and called the attorney general’s child predator unit sometime in May. Police raided his home and discovered various furry outfits such as a wolf costume, as well as a cat outfit; all complete with two holes cut out at the undersides of the costumes. He is now arraigned in Dauphin County jail on a $250,000 bail.[18][19][20][21]

Possibly Chip Pickering and a number of others. [22]

Michael Duvall, California state Representative in September 2009:

“Graphic sex-bragging caught on tape”.[23]
Then lies and denies it and blames media [24].
Finally apologizes and resigns[25].
2008
Bruce Barclay, former Cumberland County commissioner, videotaped hundreds of sexual encounters — many with male escorts — using cameras hidden throughout his Monroe Township home.[26]

Matthew Joseph Elliott, former aide to Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, was convicted of sexual exploitation of a child.[27]

Vito Fossella, the only Republican member of Congress from New York City, admitted to police to having a child out-of-wedlock when stopped for drunk driving.[28]

Robert McKee, Republican delegate from Western Maryland, announced his resignation after authorities seized two computers, videotapes and printed materials from his Hagerstown home in a child pornography investigation. McKee also resigned his position as executive director of Big Brothers Big Sisters of Washington County.[29]

Daniel Dean Thompson, 31, a Utah retailer of “family-friendly” tapes and DVDs (Hollywood films with the “dirty parts” removed), arrested and booked into the Utah County jail on charges of sexual abuse and unlawful sexual activity with a 14-year-old.[30]

Derek Walker, former Eagle Scout and candidate seeking the GOP nomination in a race for north-central Pennsylvania district, was charged with felony burglary and criminal trespass stemming from an encounter last year with an ex-girlfriend, during which he allegedly broke into her home and used his cell phone to videotape her engaged in an intimate moment with another man.[31]

2007
Robert “Bob” Allen, Florida state Rep. arrested in the afternoon at a Veteran’s Memorial Park for solicitation of prostitution from an undercover male officer inside a restroom. According to the papers, Bob “offer[ed] to perform oral sex for $20”. Bob later claimed that his offer had something to do with his being afraid of black people.[32]

John David Roy Atchison, Republican prosecutor, was arrested for soliciting sex from a 5-year old girl, then killed himself three weeks later. At the time of his arrest, Atchison was an “assistant U.S. attorney” appointed by President Bush’s attorney general.[33]

E. Ozwald Balfour, chairman of the Utah Republican Black Assembly and elected to the Republican State Central Committee in 2007, even though he was awaiting trial on four felony counts of forcible sex abuse dating back to his arrest in February, 2005.[34]

John Bryan, Republican city councilman, killed himself after police began investigating allegations that he had molested three girls, including two of his adopted daughters, ages 12 and 15.[35]

Larry Craig, Republican Senator for Idaho, was arrested on July 11, 2007, by plainclothes police officer investigating complaints of lewd behavior in a Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport airport men’s room. On August 8 in Hennepin County Municipal Court in Bloomington, Minnesota, Craig entered a guilty plea and paid a $500 fine.[36]. On September 1st, Craig subsequently announced his retirement from the Senate[37]. Five days later, Craig changed his mind, renounced his retirement and began a battle to have his guilty plea overturned.[38] Craig supported the Federal Marriage Amendment, which barred extension of rights to same-sex couples; he voted for cloture on the amendment in both 2004 and 2006, and was a cosponsor in 2008. However, in late 2006 he appeared to endorse the right of individual states to create same-sex civil unions, but said he would vote “yes” on an Idaho constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages when pressured to clarify his position by the anti-gay rights advocacy group Families for a Better Idaho. Craig voted against cloture in 2002, which would have extended the federal definition of hate crimes to cover sexual orientation.[39]

John R. Curtin, Monroe County state Republican committeeman, was convicted of molesting an underage teenage boy and sentenced to serve six to 18 months in prison.[40]

Richard Curtis, Washington State Rep., resigned from the House after reports of his sexual encounter with a male escort became public.[41] Curtis has an anti-gay rights voting record. He voted against domestic partnerships for gays and opposed a bill prohibiting discrimination based on sexual orientation.[42]

Donald Fleischman, Brown County, WI, Republican Party Chairman, resigned his post after he was charged with two counts of child enticement, two counts of contributing to the delinquency of a child and a single charge of exposing himself to a child.[43]

Larry Dale Floyd, Republican Constable in Denton County, Texas Precinct Two. Arrested for allegedly crossing state lines to have sex with an 8-year old child and was charged with 7 related offenses. Age 62 at time of arrest.[44]

Ted Klaudt, former South Dakota State Rep., found guilty of four counts of second-degree rape of two teenage foster daughters.[45][46]

Ronald C. Kline, Republican Judge in Orange County, CA, pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer after six years of legal wrangling. In 2002, charged with child molestation and under house arrest on federal charges of possessing child pornography, political analysts still gave him a 50-50 chance of winning the March 5 primary for the Orange County Superior Court seat. He lost the election to a write-in candidate.

Joseph M. McDade, 75, was issued a summons on a charge of exposure of sexual organs, a misdemeanor that carries up to a year in jail and a $1,000 fine. The longtime Pennsylvania Republican congressman who served for 36 years in the House and now works for a Washington lobbying firm, has been accused of exposing his private parts to two women at a beach resort on Sanibel Island. [47]

Patrick Lee McGuire, former former Flagler County Commissioner, surrendered to police after allegedly molesting girls between the ages of 8 and 13.[48]

Jon Matthews, Republican talk show host in Houston, was indicted for indecency with a child, including exposing his genitals to a girl under the age of 17.[49]

Joseph Monteleone Jr., Elyria city councilman, was found guilty of fondling underage girls and asking them to have sex with him.[50]

Glenn Murphy Jr., chairman of the Clark County Republican Party and president of the Young Republican National Federation, resigned both posts, after the Clark County Sheriff’s Department began investigating Murphy for alleged criminal deviate conduct. A 22-year-old man claimed that Murphy performed an unwanted sex act on him while the man slept in a relative’s Jeffersonville home. During the investigation, a similar accusation from 1998 came to light.[51]

Armando Tebano, Schenectady County Republican Chairman, pleaded guilty to fondling a 14-year-old girl.[52]

David Vitter, junior Senator from Louisiana, became one of the few high-profile politicians to be implicated as a client of “D.C. Madam” Deborah Jeane Palfrey.[53]

2006
Steve Aiken, campaign manager for a Republican candidate for Congress in Arizona, former Quakertown, PA, police officer and self-proclaimed reverend, was convicted of having sex with two underage girls.[54]

Louis Beres, chairman of the Christian Coalition of Oregon. 3 of his family members accuse him of molesting them when they were pre-teens. In August 06, Beres confessed.[55]

Howard L. Brooks, Republican legislative aide and adviser to a California assemblyman, was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography. [56]

Randall Casseday, Washington Times newspaper executive, pleaded guilty to soliciting sex from a 13-year old girl on the internet.[57]

Larry Corrigan, Republican operative and Director of Operations and Budget at King County Prosecutor’s Office, OR, was arrested for soliciting sex from 13-year old girls.[58]

Carey Lee Cramer Political consultant and anti-Kerry ad producer, tried for molesting two young girls, one of whom lived with him, and was 8 yrs old; the other starred in an anti-Kerry commercial. Diary [59]

Mark Foley, Republican Representative, Florida Sixteenth Congressional District. Resigned after trying to solicit sex from male congressional pages via an instant messenger program. The conversations included his asking a sixteen-year-old “stud” whether his penis was erect and requesting that he take out and measure his penis. The cover-up involved Republican House Majority Leader John Boehner, Ohio Eighth Congressional District and Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert, Illinois Fourteenth District.[60]

Jim Gibbons, then US Rep. and Republican candidate for governor, was accused by a Las Vegas casino cocktail waitress of grabbing her, shoving her against a wall and threatening her after she rebuffed his advances.[61][62] Since elected Governor, Gibbons is under investigation by the FBI on corruption charges and is embroiled in what looks set to become a very messy divorce.[63]

Ted Haggard, was fired as pastor of the New Life Church and resigned from his position as president of the National Association of Evangelicals in November 2006 after a former male prostitute alleged they had a cash-for-sex relationship. The man also said he saw Haggard use methamphetamine. Haggard confessed to undisclosed “sexual immorality” and said he bought meth but didn’t use it.[64] After the scandal was publicized, Haggard entered three weeks of intensive counseling, overseen by four ministers. In Feb 2007, one of those ministers, Tim Ralph, said that Haggard “is completely heterosexual.” As of early 2009, Haggard continues to receive counseling, and now he says that he is a “heterosexual with issues”. [65]

Don Haidl, Assistant Sheriff of Orange Country, in violation of California’s rape shield law, led a smear campaign against the child his son poisoned and then violently gang-raped on videotape, adding up to 24 felony counts. He said that his son “acted accordingly” because the child was a “slut”.[66][67]

Jeffrey Ray Nielsen, Christian conservative activist and lawyer with close ties to Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher and Scott Baugh, head of the Orange County Republican Party, was arrested for having sex with a 14-year old boy.[68]

Jeffrey Patti, local Republican Committee chairman from Sparta, NJ, was arrested for distributing what experts call “some of the most offensive material in the child pornography world” - a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.[69]

Brent Schepp, Republican County Board Candidate was charged with molesting a 14-year old girl and killed himself three days later.[70]

2005
Adelphia Communications Corp.: Donated large sums of money to some of the most conservative members of Congress. They are also the first cable company to offer hard-core adult movies to subscribers.[71]

John Collins, of Eatontown, NJ, former music teacher and city councilman, pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13 and 14 year old girls.[72]

John Gosek Republican Mayor of Oswego, N.Y.was arrested after paying a confidential informant $250 to introduce him to two 15-year-old girls at a hotel.[73]

Dr. W. David Hager Bush appointee, member of Focus on the Family’s Physician Resource Council, player in movement to ban the morning-after-pill. Had an adulterous affair, before divorcing his wife he sexually abused her, including sodomizing her in her sleep.[74]

Russell Harding, president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. under then-mayor Rudolph Giuliani, pleaded guilty to stealing more than $400,000 for his personal use and possessing child pornography.[75]

Neal Horsley has called for the arrest of all homosexuals. During an interview with Alan Colmes on the Fox News Radio’s The Alan Colmes Show, he admitted to having engaged in sex with a mule at age 11. “When you grow up on a farm in Georgia, your first girlfriend is a mule,” he said. He then credited Jesus with forgiving and cleansing him of his “sin.”

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Jeff Miller, (R-Cleveland), Senate Republican Caucus Chairman in Tennessee and the sponsor of Tennessee’s Marriage Protection act, getting divorced (as of April 2005) because of an affair he was having with an office aid. Miller described the Tennessee Marriage Protection Act as a means of preserving the sanctity of marriage. He opposed an amendment, however, which stated that “Adultery is deemed to be a threat to the institution of marriage and contrary to public policy in Tennessee.”

Dennis L. Rader, AKA, The BTK Killer, Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president, pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.[76]

Jeffrey Kyle Randall, Republican Mayor of Clarkfield, Minnesota, was sentenced to 275 days in jail for molesting two boys—ages ten and 12—during a six-year period.[77]

Jean Schmidt, OH-2, though not herself implicated, employed a campaign manager (Joe Braun) in her 2005 election who once wrote an article condemning gay men for running sex ad profiles, and who was then accused of running his own sex profile on Collarme, an S&M sex site. The profile called for “submissives” to wear only a collar and handcuffs and to have hot wax dripped on them.[78]

Mark Seidensticker, Republican campaign worker, is a convicted child molester.[79]

Don Sherwood, Republican member of the U.S. House of Representatives. Eventually admitted to an affair with a woman 30 years younger than him, after she accused him of physical abuse and attempting to choke her. [80]

Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr., Republican City Councilman, pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.[81]

Jim Stelling, Seminole County Republican Party chairman who believes in “family values”, as he told a judge. Filed a defamation lawsuit against Nancy Goettman, a former county GOP executive committee member, for falsely claiming he had been married six times. Stelling has been married 5 times. [82]

Bobby Stumbo, former Floyd County, KY, Republican Party leader, was arrested for having sex with a 5-year old boy.[83]

Jim West, Spokane Mayor. Supported a bill, which failed, would have barred gays and lesbians from working in schools, day-care centers and some state agencies. Voted to bar the state from distributing pamphlets telling people how to protect themselves from AIDS. Proposed that “any touching of the sexual or other intimate parts of a person” among teens be criminalized. Had a sexual affair with an 18 year old boy.[84]

2004
Edison Misla Aldarondo, Republican former speaker of Puerto Rico’s house of representatives, was sentenced to 13 years in prison after pleading guilty to charges of intoxicating his stepdaughter and her 17-year-old friend and attempting to rape the friend.[85]

Paul Crouch Televangelist, Former President of Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN). Paid $425,000 in hush money in an attempt to cover up a gay affair.[86]

Richard A. Dasen Sr., Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, convicted of sexual abuse of children, promotion of prostitution and several counts of solicitation, enough to add up to a sentence of 126 years in prison. Investigators estimated that he spent at least $5 million.[87][88][89]

Peter Dibble, Republican legislator pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl. [90]

Jeff Gannon, partisan blogger with no journalism credentials and a fake name who got invited to Bush’s Press conferences. Is also a pimp and a gay prostitute.[91]

Mike Hintz, a First Assembly of God youth pastor, introduced by Bush on the campaign trail, and promoted his policies. Says he supports Bush’s values. Two months later, this married father of four turned himself into police, charged with the sexual exploitation of a child.[92][93]

Also signed an ad (that called for criminally prosecuting business that sell porn), along with another pastor who was repeatedly busted for public masturbation.

Mark Pazuhanich, Republican judge, pleaded no contest to fondling his 10-year old daughter and was sentenced to 10 years probation.[94]

Donald Rumsfeld, Republican Defense Secretary, may have authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into providing information about the anti-American insurgency. See excerpt of one prisoner’s report here and his full report here.[95]

Jack Ryan, 2004 Republican nominee for US Senate from Illinois, pressured his wive, actress Jeri Ryan, to have sex with other men. Tricked her into visiting sex clubs, where he asked her to have sex with him while others watched.[96]

Ed Schrock, two-term republican congressman, with a 92% approval rating from the Christian Coalition. Cosponsor of the Federal Marriage Amendment, consistently opposed gay rights. Married, with wife and kids. Withdrew his candidacy for a third term after tapes of him soliciting for gay sex were circulated.[97]

David Swartz, Republican Commissioner, of Richland County, Ohio pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.[98]

Robin Vanderwall, Republican strategist and director of Faith & Family Alliance, (a Christian Coalition spin off), was convicted in April 2004 on five counts of computer solicitation of a minor and one count of attempted indecent liberties with a child.[99]

2003
John Allen Burt, Republican anti-abortion activist, convicted of sexually molesting a 15 year old girl at the home for troubled girls that he ran. [100]

Neil Bush, brother or G. W. Bush, in a March 2003 divorce deposition, admitted repeatedly having sex with strange women who just showed up at his room while on an Asian business trip. (Overshadowing the sex scandal; the business scandal—see link.) [101]

Richard A. Delgaudio, Republican fund-raiser and Bush pioneer, was found guilty of child porn charges. [102]

Jack W. Gardner, Republican Councilman, had been convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl. when the Republican Party, knowing of these crimes, put him on the ballot.[103]

Philip Giordano, Republican mayor sentenced to 37 years for forcing two 8 and 10 year old girls to perform oral sex on him in his City Hall office.[104][105]

Rush Limbaugh, triple-divorcee[106], 30-pill a day drug addict.[107]. In 2006, returning from a trip to the Dominican Republic, Limbaugh was detained by customs agents for several hours after they found a bottle of Viagra prescribed to someone else in his luggage.[108]

Pat McPherson, Douglas County Election Commissioner, resigned a day after being ticketed on suspicion of fondling a 17-year-old girl who was dressed as a restaurant mascot.[109]

Brent Parker Utah State Representative. Arrested for soliciting sex from an undercover officer posing as a male prostitute.[110]

Stephen White, infamous for preaching against homosexuality and sexual promiscuity at Yale and other college campuses, was arrested after allegedly offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.[111]

2002
Andrew Buhr, Republican politician, former committeeman for Hadley Township Missouri, was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy.[112]

Richard Gardner, a Nevada State Representative (R), admitted to molesting his two daughters. 34% of those who voted in Assembly District 34 preferred Gardner to the Democratic candidate.[113]

Howard Scott Heldreth, anti-abortion activist who gained fame during the Shiavo media-circus, was convicted of two charges of raping a child in 2002.[114]

Tom Randall, Republican petition drive manager of Orange County, CA, pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business.[115]

Keith Westmoreland, a Tennessee state representative (R), was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to minors under 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).[116] Not long afterwards, Westmoreland committed suicide.[117]

2001
Randal David Ankeney, Republican activist, arrested on suspicion of sexual assault on a child with force. He faces 6 charges related to getting a 13-year-old girl stoned on pot and then having sex with her. [118] Also accused of sexually assaulting another girl. [119]

Parker J. Bena, Republican activist and Bush Elector, pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography (including children as young as 3 years old) on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000. [120]

Kevin Coan, Republican St. Louis Election Board official, arrested and charged with trying to buy sex from a 14-year-old girl whom he met on the Internet. [121]

John Fund, of the Wall Street Journal, a prominent anti-abortion columnist and GOP fund raiser. He lost his position after it was revealed that he impregnated the daughter of an old girlfriend and then encouraged her to abort his child.[122]

Donald “Buzz” Lukens, Republican Congressman from Ohio, was found guilty of having sex with a minor - a girl he was accused of sleeping with since she was 13.[123] Lukens was convicted in March, 1996, on five counts of bribery and conspiracy related to actions he took while in Congress.[124]

Nicholas Morency, Republican anti-abortion activist, pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor [125].

Larry Jack Schwarz, Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, fired after child pornography was found in his possession. [126] With his political career over, he went to work in the hard-core pornography industry for Platinum X Pictures, owned by his daughter, porn starlet Jewel De’Nyle (Stephany Schwarz). [127]

Tom Shortridge. Republican campaign consultant, was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl. [128]

2000
Keola Childs, Republican County Councilman, pleaded guilty to sexual assault in the first degree for molesting a male child.[129]

Matthew Glavin, president and CEO of the Southeastern Legal Foundation, big player in the Clinton Impeachment, and many anti-gay jihads, has been arrested multiple times for public indecency, one time fondling the crotch of the officer who was arresting him.[130]

Earl Kimmerling, sentenced to 40 years in prison after he confessed to molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.[131]

1999
George Roche III president of conservative Hillsdale College, MI, divorced his wife of 44 years (who had cancer) and remarried five months later. Apparently shocked and upset by the presence of a new woman in her father-in-law’s life, Roche’s daughter-in-law Lissa revealed that she and her father-in-law had been off-and-on lovers for 19 of the 21 years she and her husband had been married. Shortly thereafter, Lissa took her own life.[132]

1998
Merrill Robert Barter, Republican County Commissioner, pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy. [133]

Dan Burton, Republican Congressman who, while married, fathered a child by another woman. [134]

Dan Crane, Republican Congressman, married, father of six. Received a 100% “Morality Rating” from Christian Voice. Had sex with a minor working as a congressional page.[135] On July 20, the House voted for censure Crane, the first time that censure had been imposed for sexual misconduct.[136]

Helen Chenoweth, Congresswoman (R-Id.). In 1995, Chenoweth had denied having an affair when asked about it by The Spokane Spokesman-Review. In 1998 she called (in a campaign ad) for Bill Clinton’s resignation saying “I believe that personal conduct and integrity do matter”. Days later she admitted to a six-year adulterous affair with a married associate. but now she claims a pardon from a higher authority: “I’ve asked for God’s forgiveness, and I’ve received it,” she revealed.

Henry Hyde, Judge who oversaw Clinton’s impeachment proceedings, prominent opponent of reproductive rights, who had an extramarital affair with a woman who was married and had three children, during the course of which she and her husband were divorced. [137]

1997
Mike Bowers Former State Attorney General, prosecuted the famous Bowers vs. Hardwick case, based on Georgia anti-sodomy laws. Admitted to a 10-year adulterous affair.[138]

1996
John Hathaway, Republican Senate candidate, was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.[139]

I. Lewis Libby, former Assistant to the President and Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney. In 1996 published a novel containing bizarre sexual content, including bestiality and pedophillia.[140]

1995
Newt Gingrich, married three times. Gingrich campaign worker Anne Manning admitted that she gave Newt oral sex while he was still married to his first wife. Informed one wife he was filing for divorce while she was in the hospital recovering from cancer treatments.[141]

Beverly Russell, county chairman of the Christian Coalition and county coordinator of the South Carolina Citizens for Life[142], sexually molested his step-daughter, Susan Smith, who later drowned her two children.[143]. Mr. Russell continued to serve on the executive committee of the state G.O.P. as late as six months after his stepdaughter’s confession of murder had brought their sexual history to light.

1994
Jim Bunn Congressman of Oregon: With his success due in great part to support from the Christian Coalition, Bunn won his congressional seat, then immediately ditched his wife (and mother of his five children), married a staffer, and put his new wife on the state payroll for the unheard-of salary of $97,500. [144]

1993
Ken Calvert, Congressman (R-Ca), champion of the Christian Coalition and its “family values.” Sued as an alimony deadbeat by his ex-wife. Said “We can’t forgive what occurred between the President and Lewinsky.” In 1993 he was caught by police receiving oral sex from a prostitute and attempted to flee the scene.[145]

1990
Jon Grunseth, Republican businessman and candidate for Minnesota governor, withdrew his candidacy after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter, and tried to grope one. “I’ve made some mistakes,” he said.[146]

1989
Paul Ingram, Republican Party leader of Thurston County, Washington, pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

Sue Myrick, Republican mayor of Charlotte, NC, self-described “devout Christian”, during her run for reelection news reports revealed that she committed adultery with a married man in 1973. Myrick admitted the adultery and won reelection. She was later elected as congresswoman for North Carolina’s 9th district.

1988
Jim Bakker, televangelist with Pat Robertson at Robertson’s Christian Broadcasting network. Committed adultery with Jessica Hahn [147] and then used charitable donations to pay her hush money[148]. Fellow televangelists say he’s gay. [149][150] Convicted on 24 federal charges of fraud and conspiracy charges. [151].

1986
Roy Cohn, continually condemned gays and gay rights. Was a closet gay who died of AIDS. [152]

1982
John Scmitz, right-wing republican congressman, who had had his committee chairship taken away from him in the California State Senate after issuing a press release attacking Jews, feminists and gays. Forced out of office in 1982 for having an adulterous affair and fathering two children out of wedlock with one of his students. He was caught because his baby was admitted to hospital for having hair tied so tightly around his penis that it was almost severed. His daughter, Mary Kay LeTourneau, was convicted of having an adulterous affair with one of her students, and giving birth to two of his children. [153]

1980
Robert Bauman, Republican congressman and anti-gay activist, was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar. [154]

How’s this for family values!

Posted by: Jeff at June 5, 2011 7:04 PM
Comment #324030

KAP-

Stephen, This is about Weiner and his skirting the media’s questions. I’m sure if it were a Republican people like Schultz, Maddow and Mathews would jump all over it as Breitbart did and as you might have and every liberal on this blog.

Liberals can prove Breitbart’s serial dishonesty. You’re merely conjecturing it on the part of MSNBC’s lineup.

As for the other thing? Now that there is no compelling evidence of infidelity or underage relationships. There’s just this notion that if he’s truly innocent, how could he mangle up that messaging?

Easy. The way it sounds like if you read the whole thing he said was that he believe somebody might have taken an inncoent photo of him or something, and made something up with it. As a Photoshop user myself, I can tell you that this is unlikely, but Weiner’s a professional politician, not a graphics analyst. As for the FBI?

I think Weiner’s literally trying not to make this into a federal case, and so far the damage seems to be limited to the Tweet exploit. He’s hired people to advise him on the matter, and I suppose he’s taking their advice.

As far as guilt or innocence goes, most of the evidence exonerates him. The people who broke this story are all but admitting that it was twitter hoax. Examination of the photo, especially in term of Weiner’s real pictures, shows it wasn’t even tweeted from his Blackberry. The photos to either side of it are from a television studio, as I understand it.

So, unless Weiner suddenly took out another device, and twitpiced a pornographic picture in the middle of a television studio, it’s unlikely to be him. If you’re really interested in guilt or innocence, then the standard should at least be preponderance of the evidence, if not reasonable doubt. A botched answer is not evidence enough of wrong. Hell, I don’t even know if you have any real, specific charge in mind. But we just have to continue the fishing expedition until we find something, don’t we?

C&J-
The only reason this ever was a story was that Breitbart took the word of two people he’s now throwing under the bus.

All this FBI investigation or “hard answer” bull**** does is keep a fishing expedition going that has no legitimate target to fish for. Why are we intruding on this man’s private dealing now, now that the main proof of the supposed misdeed is discredited?

And why are we ignoring the sources now, and Breitbart? They need to become the story now, because not only did the sources essentially create their own story (ooh, look at this dirty tweet from Weiner!), but somebody distributed what they put forward without even doing one bit of good reporting as to the quality of the source.

And that person has already done this several times, running hidden camera videos rife with deceptive edits, and running a video of a certain woman, whose good name was slurred wrong, and who lost her job as a result. Now she’s back at work at her old agency, and she’s filed suit against him.

I remember posting on his latest O’Keefe sting, where Glenn Beck’s own people pointed out the variety of deceptive edits that his people did on the NPR video.

Now you say, why does this matter? Because people take these things very seriously. The Government is sometimes making decisions based on his breaking stories, and that I think is a deliberate goal of what he does.

Now, you can cast a cloud of vague suspicion on Weiner, but you can’t prove he did anything wrong.

Meanwhile, you can prove that Breitbart has distributed quite a number of deceptive videos and articles, this one included. There’s a real, verifiable problem with Breitbart, and I don’t know any good reason not to follow up on that. What else hasn’t he told us? If Weiner’s garbled answer is supposed to justify a ****load of suspicion, what about Breitbart’s repeated failures to verify the information people hand to him?

Part of a reporter’s job is to make sure sources are telling the truth before they publish what the sources say. Breitbart simply hasn’t bothered. Maybe he keeps these frauds at arms length, but he’s not rejecting deceptively edited material.

Now, you say, and I find this rather unfortunate, that you would expect Maddow and others to do the same.

You say that Liberals shouldn’t get angry about mistreatment in the press because the Republicans have suffered.

Well, let me tell you, when the Bristol Palin thing was brought up, many folks were against pushing that story. Even on DailyKos, people objected to it, and wouldn’t agree to that story being pushed unless there was good information there to support it.

I know because I was one of the persons speaking out against that theory. I thought it was below us, and so did many other Democrats.

I don’t remember being for Laura Ingraham being called a slut, but I do recall that Schultz was suspended for a week from his show, and had to apologize. I remember when Olbermann got his facts wrong, he often put himself on his World’s Worst list. And Rachel? I don’t recall her ever having a major embarrassment on the factual side of things. She strikes me as a pretty good researcher.

I have plenty of call to be outraged. The media is supposed to check these facts. The media is supposed to operate with some level of maturity.

And you? All you can do now is call him creepy. You can’t say, like Breitbart did on CNN, that he was sexting underage girls, or chasing them around, or even that he was responsible for tweeting the pic. There’s just nothing to prove anything more than just a sentiment.

And that’s a problem. America needs to be lead and governed, and its government held accountable based on facts, not just gut feelings that can go far off base. People can imagine a lot of things. They can imagine that the President before last had Vince Foster murdered. They can imagine that Obama was born in Kenya, and that he’s a Muslim. Only when facts, and not just gut feelings moderate what we think to be true, do we keep ourselves from going off into na-na land on subjects.

I don’t care what your gut feelings on Weiner are, until you can prove them with facts, they don’t deserve to be taken seriously.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 5, 2011 7:53 PM
Comment #324031

Stephen

Somebody released some pictures. The pictures may or may not have been embarrassing.

Weiner reacted and made a fool out of himself. He showed he was creepy. It is the old story about the original act being less important than the reaction.

Assume that the picture not valid, or that Weiner just takes pictures of himself in his underwear for his own reasons. This is not important.

What is important is what Weiner said and did after. That is what revealed his character. I don’t have to prove anything about the original act. I am talking about Weiner’s reaction, which we can all see on television or YouTube. This is what revealed Weiner’s character.

Weiner was clearly not up to the test of character. He failed to properly address the charges and revealed his creepy side. It is comical.

You recall the old comedy routine where a guy is hiding in a closet and doesn’t know there is different guy hiding. When somebody says to come out, the first guy thinks he is found and reveals himself. At best, this is what Weiner did.

Put yourself in Weiners position. If someone claimed he had a picture of you like that, would you get on national television and say that you were not certain that it wasn’t you? Would you call journalists and then not answer questions? This reveals the little creep’s character.

Posted by: C&J at June 5, 2011 8:06 PM
Comment #324036

Stephen, Would you defend a republican the same way you are defending Weiner? Or would you be right there along with the crew from MSNBC. I’d bet on the later. Weiner beat around the bush with all his answers to the media. I listened to some of them and his answers made me skeptical. As GSL stated on the green side he should have answered with a HELL NO that isn’t my schlong. Then the little creep may have been believable at the first.

Posted by: KAP at June 5, 2011 8:46 PM
Comment #324037

By the way Stephen I never said he was guilty and I never said he was innocent that is for him to prove.

Posted by: KAP at June 5, 2011 8:51 PM
Comment #324041

KAP-
If he has to prove his innocence, isn’t he guilty by default?

As for defending Republicans the same way? I wouldn’t say that would be my first impulse. But if the thing turned out to be a hoax, I’d say lay off of it and stick to the facts, because the facts will have the effect people won’t shake off easily.

As for the crew from MSNBC, the problem is, you haven’t floated an actual failure of journalism for us to discuss.

And really, your approach to Weiner smacks of Ad Hominem logic. As crappy as his response might be, it proves nothing and disproves nothing. Bring forward technical evidence that shows the photo is his, or bring forward some other evidence of the original charge, or you just can’t say there’s a real controversy to discuss at this point.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 5, 2011 11:16 PM
Comment #324043

C&J-

Somebody released some pictures. The pictures may or may not have been embarrassing.

Jeez louise, you’ve included half the internet with those claims.

Weiner reacted and made a fool out of himself. He showed he was creepy. It is the old story about the original act being less important than the reaction.

Oh, he had absolutely no help from a legion of conservative commentators, Breitbart included, who insisted that must mean he was hiding something, right?

Here’s the thing: you’re talking about the original act being less important than the reaction. Hmmm. There was no original act, so all this is just a brouhaha over a question of who Mr. Priapus over there is. Will the real owner of the One-Eyed monster please step forward!

Really, it’s just a matter of prurient curiousity at this point, because there’s no other offense to tie it to. There’s no infidelity, there’s no underage relationships, nothing.

But there is a person who claims to be a journalist, but who failed once more this time to actually check the story out before he ran with it. And there is a conservative media that doesn’t seem to give a crap that his grasp of journalistic best practices seems rather weak. I mean it’s one thing to be getting reports from a guy for years, and only after the fact find out he was lying or being reckless with the truth, but here we’ve had multiple credibility-challenging failures to check facts, watch full videos, or give a **** about corroborating claims.

You have nothing more to support your theory than personal opinion. That’s why you keeping on using a word that doesn’t require you to really prove anything. It’s a personal opinon descriptor: that guy is a creep.

Well, la-dee-fricking-da. You’re a Republican, saying that you think a Democrat is lacking in virtue. Anybody can say that’s the main reason you think he is a creep. And what’s your back up for that personal opinion, if you want to explain why you think he’s a creep, so that people agree? Did he have sex with underaged girls, did he cheat on his wife?

No, he answered a question wrong, probably out of a lack of knowledge of what photoshop can and can’t actually do. Give the guy a break, somebody just punk’d his twitter account. It was muddled thing to say, but is there any proof so far that the picture is genuinely his? No. Just an argument from ignorance.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 5, 2011 11:31 PM
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Stephen, You are the one who is making a big deal out of nothing. If his account was hacked let some one investigate the hack like the FBI, then if there is nothing to hide he is home free. Stephen, I saw from different media outlets ask the question about the picture and he answered the same to each one, and each time he didn’t give a definite answer. He put hiself in the situation he is in by NOT answering the question straight out. All he had to do is say, “NO THAT IS NOT ME, I WAS HACKED AND IT IS BEING INVESTIGATED.” END OF STORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: KAP at June 5, 2011 11:53 PM
Comment #324049

KAP-
You better look at your computer. Your keyboard seemed to break at the end of your last comment, and accidentally made your comment make more sense to me.

Seriously, though, I’m not disputing that his way of answering it was unwise. I just don’t think it signifies what you think it does. I think he’s not the guy in the photo. You think he might be, and that’s why he’s hiding something. Of course, people also hide things by saying no, too, or saying they did not have sexual relations with that woman.

I think Weiner wasn’t tech savvy on the image end of things. The fact that he used an image service that directly tweeted photos might be some indication of that, since a person like me might simply upload to flickr or photobucket, run the embed through a URL shortener, and put that in his tweet instead.

I think if he wanted to be evasive, saying no might also have been the easiest way. Instead he talks about photo manipulations and things like that, which is a terrible way to end the subject, but an also an honest way of saying it if you’re the type of person who likes to tell it like it is, or at least as you understand it to be.

Oh, and it gets better (NSFW)

Okay, let’s review what’s been discredited about the photo so far. It doesn’t match his Blackberry’s other photos, and in fact doesn’t match any known profile. Now we know why, but we’ll get to that.

It doesn’t match the photos that he twitpiced from yFrog to either side, and not just in its content. It’s different from them in resolution and in its metadata. Now we know why, but we’ll get to that

The picture’s twittering has all but been confirmed to have been the product of an exploit of a yFrog feature, which allowed folks to email photos to the site, and get an instant tweet out of it. The fact that Breitbart is turning on the source is telling.

And now there’s the fact that the image has indeed been manipulated. Dan Wolfe, the source he’s turning on, sent another, larger version of the the photo from his cache. But it’s not merely larger in size, it’s wider in view.

The famous photo is actually cropped. More than that, if you look in the lower corner of the photo, there’s the leg of a table.

The photo’s been rotated, too, and most likely shot from over the subject’s shoulder. The subject has to be sitting, and may very well have their forearm down their pants.

This is a completely unnatural position for a selfpic, which is why it was cropped and rotated. To tell you the truth, the position of the leg always struck me as odd for someone who was standing, since it seemed to be far off to the side.

And this is a picture that was uploaded, supposedly, between two shots from him in a television studio.

The story is supposed to be that he intended to directly send this. But through a mysterious set of events, he manages to e-mail the photo, after having taken the trouble to edit it, to a site he knows will instantly distribute it to all 40,000 of his supporters. This isn’t a selfpic gone rogue, this is a fantasy gone implausible. There is no way that Weiner is that stupid.

More to the point, why are there two different versions of this picture? Well, the removal of the chair leg tells us why: because the twittered photo wasn’t the original, and the original was with Dan Wolfe the whole time.

It was a fake. Who or what was in that photo is unknown, but it wasn’t Weiner who sent it.

And really, don’t get any funny ideas, we’re on top of that one, too.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 6, 2011 8:08 AM
Comment #324051

Stephen, That’s the point, He was unwise in his answers and the media took off on it. I could care less about the photo, it’s the way he answered the questions about it. You can give all the technical defence you want but the fact remains, his answers to the questions were the thing that brought about all his problems, and idiots like Breitbart and Rush played it.

Posted by: KAP at June 6, 2011 9:39 AM
Comment #324058

KAP-

I could care less about the photo, it’s the way he answered the questions about it.

Mishandled questions do not justify this level of attention. The evidence points to the twitter being a complete fraud. If no further evidence comes up to contradict our current facts here, then it will turn out that this whole controversy is based on a hoax.

Now Breitbart’s claiming that he’s got a treasure trove of other stuff, claiming a more traditional consensual affair. We’ll see. If he’s got the evidence, really has the evidence, then of course we can determine what events did occur for ourselves.

But until then, until there’s something more here than just a bunch of innuendo, I will remain unconvinced.

And you should, too. Our imaginations can run away from ourselves, or be stampeded by those who want to run policy a certain way. Only by being more active consumers of information, more discerning and skeptical, do we actually escape the traps of emotional appeals that propagandists set up for us.

If you want to be free, if you want to make your decisions for yourself, you have to be a better consumer of information. Otherwise, your independent spirit will be manipulated by your not so independent information.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at June 6, 2011 1:38 PM
Comment #324060

Stephen, All I know Stephen is that Weiner did a piss poor job of answering the questions put to him, If evidence turns up against him or for him it’s up to the people of his N.Y. district to decide his fate and of course the congressional ethics committe if indeed he did something unetical. So now we wait to see what turns up.

Posted by: KAP at June 6, 2011 2:16 PM
Comment #324063

I haven’t read any of the comments on this post by SD. But I can sum up everything that was said by saying, I know SD and other liberals have done their best to defend the weiner and slam Brietbart for doing what the MSM should be doing. As I am writing this, I am watching the weiner grovel before the press. His actions reminds me very much of the confessions of Jimmy Swaggard many years ago. Remember, “I HAVE SINNED”. These are the same words coming out of the mouth of the weiner. He was even forced to apologized to Brietbart and perhaps SD could also apologize for the very content of his post. I love it when “the chickens come home to roost”. He says he’s no resigning, but my guess is he’s gone. The socialist democrats will throw him under the bus. Brietbart is vindicated…..

Posted by: Conservativethinker at June 6, 2011 4:43 PM
Comment #324065

well stephen

it would appear that breitbartgate would not be the appropriate name for this incident. it seem the congressman did send those photos, and was lying about his account being hacked. myself, kap and others pointed out the inconsistencies in his stories, and your only response was to make this about someone else. what say you now? seems your sources suggesting breitbart hacked his account full of crap.

Posted by: dbs at June 6, 2011 5:09 PM
Comment #324066

US Republican Representative Anthony Weiner admitted today that he lied when he said his Twitter account had been hacked after a lewd photo of his genitalia showed up all over the Internet late last week.

Weiner admits that he sent that photo and many others to several young female Twitter followers with whom he has been carrying on several sex-based Internet relationships with at least six women for several years.

So … Stephen … what’s your take on all this now?

Posted by: Gary St. Lawrence at June 6, 2011 5:09 PM
Comment #324069

hahahahaaha, I wonder if SD wrote a story on this subject for the dailykos?

Posted by: Mike at June 6, 2011 5:28 PM
Comment #324070

My sincere apologies. I incorrectly called Weiner a Republican. He’s a Democrat. I regret my behavior and my wife has known about it all along.

Posted by: Gary St. Lawrence at June 6, 2011 5:31 PM
Comment #324073

Stephen, As said by some on the Chris Mathews show today he has just opened another can of worms for himself by admitting that he didn’t know the ages of the women or girls he was sending those pictures to. If just one of the six is underage he has big problems.

Posted by: KAP at June 6, 2011 5:49 PM
Comment #324074

By the way Stephen you owe Breitbart an appology. He wasn’t to blame this time around.

Posted by: KAP at June 6, 2011 5:51 PM
Comment #324076

KAP, I have learned to not hold my breath on that apology from SD. He will come out with a dissertation on why the actions of the weiner are the fault of Brietbart or some other conservative. This is a real distraction for the Dems; they want to talk about Medicare. I predict toasted weiner. The Dems have a history of eating their own offspring.

Weiner is a perv…

What if this had been a republican?

Posted by: Conservativethinker at June 6, 2011 6:14 PM
Comment #324077

CT, the liberal media would have had a field day. The dems in congress probably would have asked for jail time and his/her resignation immediately.

Posted by: KAP at June 6, 2011 6:29 PM
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