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How Does it Feel to be a Hostage?

There is a war raging in this country. Supposedly it is about taxes. President Obama wants to reduce taxes for those making less than $250,000 a year. Republicans, and a few pseudo-Democrats, say we must extend the tax cuts for those making more than $250,000. Minority Senate Leader Mitch McConnell says either the rich are included in the tax cuts or nobody gets a tax cut. YOU, my dear friend, are being held hostage so that McConnell can help his super-rich friends.

The raging war is not merely about taxes. It is a war between the super-rich and the middle class. Republicans will say I'm talking class warfare. Of course, I am. And the super-rich are winning by decimating the middle class. The sole goal of the Republican Party is to work for the interests of the super-rich, because after all, this is where they get their money to stay in power.

In every Congressional battle so far, Republicans sided with the rich against the middle class. In the healthcare debate they sided with the big health insurance companies, not with helpless patients. In the financial reform debate, they sided with the banks that caused the depression and not with the middle class that suffered as a result. They sided with the rich in job legislation, stimulus legislation and anything beneficial directly to the middle class.

In all the above cases Republicans insisted we should not increase the deficit. Now that we are discussing tax cuts, Republicans don't give a damn about the deficit. They feel that giving tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires is more important (to their own future) than reducing the deficit.

Of course, Republicans say that we must have tax cuts for those making over $250,000 because it will help, not the super-rich, but small business owners who produce jobs. Yes, indeed. If you believe this, look at what happened in the Senate today:

In a win for President Barack Obama and his political allies, Senate Democrats on Tuesday won a crucial vote to clear the way for a bill to create a $30 billion government fund to help open up lending for credit-starved small businesses. Democrats cracked a GOP filibuster of the bill with the help of two Republicans: Sens. George Voinovich of Ohio and George LeMieux of Florida.

Read that last sentence. There was a GOP filibuster for a bill to help small business. Obviously Republicans don't care about small business, just as they don't care about the middle class. They care only for Big Business and the rich.

And Republicans don't mind holding YOU, as a member of the MIDDLE CLASS, hostage to the needs of the plutocracy.

The war in this country is between Big Business billionaires and the middle class. The tax-cut debate makes the 2 sides extremely clear. If you like being held hostage by billionaires, vote for Republicans; if you want to improve your middle-class lot, vote for Democrats.

Posted by Paul Siegel at September 14, 2010 7:19 PM
Comments
Comment #308487

A Republican has already introduced a bill to extend tax cuts for everyone. The Democrats should introduce a bill to extend it for those families with up to 250,000 income. Then hopefully get it to the Senate. Then when the Republican want to filibuster it the Dems should make them really do it. Stand there and talk continuously for a week. That would make the news for sure. And the Filibuster would be to stop a bill giving tax cuts for 98% of the people. Hard to see where that wouldn’t be a Political coup for the Dems. Or the Reps would cave. Almost as good politically for the Dems. But I don’t think the Dems have the brains or the balls to do this.

Posted by: DrTom at September 14, 2010 9:51 PM
Comment #308501

Extending the tax cuts for the wealthy would make sense IF there was a lack of investment capital cash restricting economic growth. Such IS NOT THE CASE today. There is something near 2 trillion dollars of investment capital cash sitting on the sidelines waiting for demand to take off and drive investment earnings potential up.

NOW IS the PERFECT time to raise taxes on the very wealthy investment class, when it will do no harm to the economy and be barely felt by those making over a quarter million dollars a year income.

If, and when, investment capital dries up and constricts economic growth, then lowering taxes on the wealthy investment class will again make sense, as was the case in the 1980’s during the Reagan and post Carter years.

Posted by: David R. Remer at September 15, 2010 1:36 AM
Comment #308502

DrTom, I think they have the brains, just not the balls, this close to mid-term elections. We will see. They are gunshy of the Right’s uncanny ability to distort reality through the media’s greed for the profitably outrageous and insane.

Posted by: David R. Remer at September 15, 2010 1:39 AM
Comment #308551

“New York is the third-to-last state to reach Cost of Government Day, the day on which taxpayers are finally done paying off the cost of local, state and federal spending and regulations. New York celebrates their Cost of Government Day today: September 10. While this is the first time New Yorkers have had to wait until September to pay for the size of their government, they are no strangers to laboring long into the year to achieve that dubious goal - both in 2009 and 2010 only two states have had later Cost of Government Days than the Empire state: New Jersey and Connecticut.

Cost of Government Day (COGD) indicates the size of the government burden for a given state—the earlier it falls, the smaller the burden of government. Thus, New York’s date of September 10th suggests that the burden of government is not only huge, it is exploding.”

Read more: http://www.atr.org/index.php?content=home#ixzz0zdu3midi

Yeah…let’s make those filthy, greedy, undeserving American’s earning over $250K wait until Thanksgiving before they can keep what they earn. That’s real social justice.

Posted by: Royal Flush at September 15, 2010 7:13 PM
Comment #308559

Christy is taking care of the big government problems in NJ. He’s making those dead weight state union employees start paying their own way. I hope this catches on in the rest of the states. Boy, are they upset…

Posted by: Beretta9 at September 15, 2010 11:02 PM
Comment #308569

blah blah blah, evil rich people, blah blah blah. when are you guys going to give up on the class warfare? they pay the lions share of taxes already. the top 1% pays 40% of all income taxes. the bottom 50% pays virtually nothing.

it could be said democrats are holding up the extension of middle class tax cuts, in order to play the class warfare game. give it a rest. no one’s buying it anymore. hey here’s an idea, let’s cut gov’t spending. we can start by eliminating wasteful gov’t beauracracies, and all those useless czars.

Posted by: dbs at September 16, 2010 5:36 AM
Comment #308570

>blah blah blah, evil rich people, blah blah blah. when are you guys going to give up on the class warfare? they pay the lions share of taxes already. the top 1% pays 40% of all income taxes. the bottom 50% pays virtually nothing.

It seems to me that this could be entered as proof that class warfare has come and gone…the rich won. They are the only ones who can afford to pay taxes. We are becoming a third world nation. One without a middle class (which used to pay the most taxes) The rich want to stop paying taxes. Wouldn’t that put us into fourth world status? Top dog to bottom dog in one fell swoop…thanks, rich people!

Posted by: Marysdude at September 16, 2010 6:21 AM
Comment #308571

PS:

Oops! Erase everything I said. I forgot I wasn’t responding to this poster.

Posted by: Marysdude at September 16, 2010 6:22 AM
Comment #308572

“There’s class warfare, all right, but it’s my class, the rich class, that’s making war, and we’re winning.”

Warren Buffet, New York Times, November 26, 2006

Posted by: Rich at September 16, 2010 8:40 AM
Comment #308573

It seems to me that someone making more than $250,000.00/yr would have the Self-Knowledge and/or the ability to hire an accountant who can use the existing loopholes in order to avoid paying the higher rates under the current tax code. Yes, some of the wealthy can make millions a year and pay less taxes than those making $50,000.00/yr. Yet, all we hear from the Republicans is the rich needs to keep the tax rates the same.

Nevertheless, like welfare in the 90’s was changed to workfare so should the Democratic Leaders point to the Lazy Investor as part of the problem with the economy today. For how many stood by and done nothing; even though, they were being told of the housing bubble and the price of energy was about to break the bank.

No, call it a lack of education, dependence on the financial adviser, or a host of reason; however, it seems to me that the reason for the rich crying out about an increase to their taxes is due to their inability and inexperience of how Active Investors made money even as the market was falling in around them.

Thus, IMHO Congress should propose keeping the same tax rate as the first $250,000.00 for the next $750,000.00 provided it is invested in new innovations, research, and technology. Than if they really feel froggy the might want to add a tax cut which would provide incentive for all Americans to invest in the Bonds and Notes (Local, State, and Federal) needed to rebuild Americas’ Infrastructure.

But given Washington and the Media today, I wouldn’t hold my breathe believing even the Tea Party is smart enough to come up with a tax plan which can lower the debt and provide for the local, state, and federal operating budget.

Posted by: Henry Schlatman at September 16, 2010 9:08 AM
Comment #308574

Henry,

Tea Baggies aren’t even smart enough to tie their own shoes. They out shout everyone around them, but what they are shouting is being fed, like pablum, to them by a couple of old multi-billionaires. If one of them could think for a minute they would not be doing what they are doing. Having a Baggie in the mix is akin to the first rotten apple in the basket. It contaminates everything all around it.

Posted by: Marysdude at September 16, 2010 10:32 AM
Comment #308575

“Having a Baggie in the mix is akin to the first rotten apple in the basket. It contaminates everything all around it.”

The Republican party is beginning to experience the rotten apple syndrome. Having embraced the “Tea Party” movement, it now finds itself incapable of controlling the consequences. RNC supported candidates are biting the dust. I believe that Republicans will eventually rue the day that they acted to make, in Newt Gingrich’s words, the Tea Party the militant wing of the Republican party.

Posted by: Rich at September 16, 2010 11:25 AM
Comment #308576

Rich-
The Republican’s problem is that they were trying to make the Tea Party into a kind of stealth rebranding. Their basic problem is, folks are mad at them, too, for not having lived up to their rhetoric. Unfortunately, living up to their rhetoric, at this point, with their policies, is either not advisable, or impossible.

Posted by: Stephen Daugherty at September 16, 2010 11:33 AM
Comment #308578

I know it may be difficult for some to understand what the TEA (Taxed Enough Already) party represents. They are comprised of folks from every party and social class. They are not about social issues, just taxes.

The Republican Party does not own them as was obvious by the defeat of R sponsored and funded candidates by TEA party candidates. It’s a people’s movement not a wing of any party.

The TEA party believes that government is too large and growing by leaps and bounds every day. They believe that it is not that revenue (taxes) is too small, but rather, that spending is to huge.

Those that oppose the TEA party and believe that more spending is good and more revenue is needed might consider forming their own anti-TEA party.

They too could invite Americans to the public square with signs reading “More revenue, feed the beast” or “Uncle Sam needs your money more than you do” or “Sell your fancy car and home you facist pig and give the proceeds to your poor neighbor” or “Work harder you rich fool so those who won’t can share the wealth”.

I would invite my libersocialist friends to form such a party to compete with the TEA party in the public forum. I am quite sure that a few writers on this blog would be the first to contribute, not their money, but their verbal support.

Posted by: Royal Flush at September 16, 2010 12:41 PM
Comment #308583

Paul-

A few pseudo-Democrats is now 31 according to CNN. Is the minority party really the issue here?

Posted by: George at September 16, 2010 1:40 PM
Comment #308589


Obama is asking the Congress to allow the tax cuts for the wealthy to expire. To do this, most of the Senators would be raising, not only their own taxes, but also the taxes on those who are most responsible for the funding that helps the Senators incumbency prospects.

Posted by: jlw at September 16, 2010 2:24 PM
Comment #308590


“It’s a people’s movement not a wing of any party.”

That is why their candidates all have R’s behind their names rather than T’s.

The Tea Party is not a political party nor is it an independent movement. It’s candidates are dependent on the Republican political apparatus and their K-street lobbyist money. That money and support does not come without strings attached.

“They are not about social issues, just taxes.”

Apparently some tea party supporters haven’t bothered to listen to the rhetoric of the candidates they are supporting. Or, even their own rhetoric on occasion.

Posted by: jlw at September 16, 2010 2:47 PM
Comment #308592

I’ll throw this out there just for the heck of it. My problem has more to do with third world America than party or economic philosophy, but do believe liberals are more capable of finding solutions, if only because of empathy or sympathy. There has to be actual feelings for PEOPLE in order to seek solutions.

In 2009, 43.6 million people lived in poverty, up from 39.8 million in 2008, according to to the Census Bureau’s annual Income, Poverty and Health Insurance Coverage report.
Posted by: Marysdude at September 16, 2010 2:56 PM
Comment #308593

The tea Party is not going to help with the problem of our sinking status in the world, and it is not going to help with the poverty problem, because the Tea Baggies are led around by the nose by a couple of old geezers who have too much money now, and fail to see why they can’t have it all.

Posted by: Marysdude at September 16, 2010 2:59 PM
Comment #308599

“The tea Party is not going to help with the problem of our sinking status in the world, and it is not going to help with the poverty problem,”

This is a real smart statement:

Our status has been dropping ever since Obama took office and the poverty problem has also increased. Do you just pull your info out of thin air?

http://www.eutimes.net/2009/05/obamas-america-losing-superpower-status-and-sinking-fast-while-china-grows-defying-economic-odds/

http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE68F4LU20100916

Posted by: TomT at September 16, 2010 4:04 PM
Comment #308602

dude wrote; “The tea Party is not going to help with the problem of our sinking status in the world, and it is not going to help with the poverty problem…”

Hmmm…didn’t know any candidates or political parties were running on that theme. Could you point me to the ones who are dude?

Here’s some food for thought…

“Obama’s view of America — and his message to the world — is that we are deeply flawed and have much to apologize for, even to thug countries that equate terrorism with freedom fighting. And by touting his left-wing policy goals as human rights imperatives, Obama arrogantly equates leftism with cosmic justice.

President George W. Bush refused to join the U.N. Human Rights Council, a position immediately reversed by Obama. When council members include countries like Saudi Arabia, Libya, Cuba and China, isn’t the entire exercise a sick joke?

http://townhall.com/columnists/LarryElder/2010/09/16/obama_asks_thug_nations_to_judge_america/page/2

Posted by: Royal Flush at September 16, 2010 4:33 PM
Comment #308603

Not only did Obama join the UN Human Rights Council, but he proceeded to condemn AZ for violation of human rights violations.

Posted by: Beretta9 at September 16, 2010 4:45 PM
Comment #308604

TomT, thanks for the link to the EUtimes. Interesting article on China.

Posted by: Royal Flush at September 16, 2010 5:08 PM
Comment #308615

TomT,

Odd article for a conservative to cite. The economic strength of China during a world wide recession, according to the article, appears to be the result of strong central government actions. An economic fiscal stimulus package far exceeding ours relative to the respective GDPs. A government controlled central bank that forced credit expansion when the rest of the world private sector banks were constricting credit. A central government program to manage unemployment, retraining and relocation. A strong central government program designed to improve infrastructure. China’s economy is a top down, centrally controlled, command economy. It may have embraced many aspects of capitalism and free trade. However, it remains a communist controlled country with the government in control of the economy.

Posted by: Rich at September 16, 2010 5:55 PM
Comment #308625

“With a bruising election likely ahead of them and the economy proving resistant to any quick fixes, nearly two dozen moderate Democrats want to extend all of the tax cuts, even those for the highest earners, for at least for a while.”

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/09/16/nancy-pelosi-says-no-deal-on-tax-cuts-for-the-rich/

I wonder what these two dozen dems know that the libersocialists on this blog don’t know.

Posted by: Royal Flush at September 16, 2010 6:59 PM
Comment #308632

I KNOW I KNOW!!!!!!! They know that they won’t be purged from the party for having a different view.

Posted by: Jeff at September 16, 2010 7:38 PM
Comment #308638

Buzzzz…wrong answer Jeff

Posted by: Royal Flush at September 16, 2010 7:56 PM
Comment #308641

Well maybe there double secret republofascists.

Posted by: Jeff at September 16, 2010 8:10 PM
Comment #308655

Rich, I am glad you were able to take something away from the link. You satisfied my curiosity that you were able to left click the mouse and actually read something. And here, I thought all liberals were ignorant buffoons who had no thought process of their own.

Posted by: TomT at September 16, 2010 11:36 PM
Comment #308660

TomT,

The irony is that you present an argument for state capitalism over free market capitalism. The success of China is an argument for more involvment of big government in controlling the economy, not less.

Posted by: Rich at September 17, 2010 7:55 AM
Comment #308662

RF,
If one cares to look back 30 years ago they will find why Public Opinion thought the Elders of the 70’s were wrong. And though that political view has not changed much among the Independents. I would say today the Republicans are faced with the same problem the Democratic Party faced in the 1990’s.

Because while one can say the Democratic Party is all about the Unions, looking back at the 90’s the Democratic Leadership woke up to the fact that not all Corporations are evil. In fact, learning to work with the Republicans and Wall Street they made great stride in making the working place better and increasing the wages of all Labor and Management.

Now today the Republicans are faced with the same problem. For while one can say the Republican Party is all about Big Business, Learning from the TEA Party, the question remains can tomorrows Republicans wake up to the fact not all Unions are Evil.

In fact, the one thibg Washington could do to help Main Street and Wall Street is to improve Our Corporate Profile both Domestically and around the World. Given that one of the main reasons we are still fighting a war on terror is the way Big Business has conducted their affairs. And why the Conservatives and Liberals can have their own opinion on the subject. Just like those wanting to burn the Quran or build the Culture Center near the 9/11 site, I do believe Labor, Manafement, and Big Business needs to learn that just because they have the right to do something does not make it the right thing to do.

Stephen,
Although I guess one could say the Republicans are “trying to make the Tea Party into a kind of stealth rebranding” I suggest one looks back to the mid-1800’s and study what happened to the Whig Party as the Know-Nothing Party pushed past them and made room for the Republican Party.

Because why one side may believe Power is Everything and the other side may believe Small Government and Less Spending is the answer. I wonder what will become of both as more and more Conservatives awaking to the fact Governments must be large and strong enough to deal with all corporations while improving their citizens life so they do not need entitlements in order to insure All Ladies and Gentlemen are created Equal.

Posted by: Henry Schlatman at September 17, 2010 8:43 AM
Comment #308668

Henry,

You are an optimist. I’m afraid conservatives may never wake up at all. They are so self-centered and convinced they are the center of our known universe, that their awakening might scratch part of their dream of world domination.

Posted by: Marysdude at September 17, 2010 9:48 AM
Comment #308685

Marysdude,
Call me crazy, but once upon a time I wondered if the Democrats would ever see the forest for the trees. Now, I am waiting for President Obama and the other Leaders of the Democratic Party to take the current Republican Leadership to task. For though I know the glass is always full, the problem with ones dream of world domination is the mere fact one has to surrender their right to be Human. And thankfully to date, I’ve not met a person who will allow me to take that leap of faith.

Posted by: Henry Schlatman at September 17, 2010 1:19 PM
Comment #308762

How did Thomas Jefferson know that we would screw things up?

“It
> has been said
> the greatest volume of sheer brainpower in one place
> occurred when Jefferson dined alone…” John
> Kennedy

>
> Especially read the last quote from 1802.
>
> When we get piled upon one another in large
> cities, as in Europe, we
> shall become as corrupt as Europe.
>
> Thomas
> Jefferson
>
> The democracy will cease to exist when you
> take away from those who
> are willing to work and give to those who would
> not.
>
> Thomas
> Jefferson
>
> It is incumbent on every generation to pay
> its own debts as it
> goes.
>
> A principle which if acted on would save
> one-half the wars of the
> world.
>
> Thomas
> Jefferson
>
> I predict future happiness for Americans if
> they can prevent the
> government from wasting the labors of the people under >the pretense of
> taking care of them.
>
> Thomas
> Jefferson
>
> My reading of history convinces me that
> most bad government results
> from too much government.
>
> Thomas
> Jefferson
>
> No free man shall ever be debarred the use
> of arms.
>
> Thomas
> Jefferson
>
> The strongest reason for the people to
> retain the right to keep and
> bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves
> against tyranny in
> government.
>
> Thomas
> Jefferson
>
> The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
> time to time with the
> blood of patriots and
> tyrants.
>
> Thomas
> Jefferson
>
> To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes
> the propagation of
> ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and >tyrannical.
>
> Thomas
> Jefferson
>
> Thomas Jefferson said
>
>in 1802:
>
> ‘I believe that banking institutions
> are more dangerous to
> our liberties than standing armies. If the
> American people ever allow
> private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by
> inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will
> grow up around the banks
> will deprive the people of all property until their
> children wake-up homeless
> on the continent their fathers
> conquered…’

Posted by: Skeptical Boomer at September 18, 2010 6:20 PM
Comment #308834

There is nothing evil about making a lot of money. But those persons should realize it is the advantages they’ve been given and good fortune (for the most part)that allowed them to do so. Most recognize that and do not object to paying a little higher taxes. But some do and they are very noisy about it. Remember if they will pay the same as everybody else for the first $250.000 they make. In may opinion, anyone making above $150,000 could afford to pay a little more (I know I could).

Posted by: DrTom at September 19, 2010 1:44 PM
Comment #308861

Dr. Tom,
It is not a matter of how much money one makes or if they choose to pay taxes, save, or spend, but how one decides to invest their income. For example; caught at a crossroads Americans could in theory decide to keep on using foreign oil to power “The Corporation” for the next 20 years. Thus, inflation and low wages will keep the standard of living falling for most Americans while the new standard of being poor and living in poverty will continue to increase.

And though one could say that is politically acceptable given President Regans’ two tier income society (skiled and unskilled labor)in the 80’s. Knowing with a little bit of self-education and national pride today Americans could use the power of “We the People” to secure Americas’ Energy resources for the next 100 years just as our Ancestors did at the turn of the last century.

However, able to prove shortsightedness today by the Conservatives own words this weekend I wonder how many of them need to be reminded that 40 yeats ago the Elders and Powers-that-Be of the 70’s decided every American would have to purchase cars and trucks which buened unleaded fuel and got better gas mileage. So why change may grip the Republican Party and Tea Party due to a Democratic President leading the way forward, I do believe one only has to look at the 80’s with its Savings and Loan bailout and increase of the National Debt to realize the GOP did not do a good job.

Especially since than America has made great leaps and bounds in all kind of fields which has to potential of creating a lot of economic and social opportunities. For example; one could look at the increase of tax rates for those making over $250,000.00/ yr. as giving the Federal Government their money. Yet, one could also look at the problem as an opportunity to invest in tax deffered or tax free bonds and notes. And given the fact the so called private sector has the ability and capabilty to address the Issues of the 20th Century and those of Americas’ Enemy, I do believe with the help of self-education and enlightenment the Establishment can show the Individual what most Corporations learned in the 1980’s when they were given the same burden.

Thus, I hope the Conservatives and Liberals (Democrats and Republicans) embrace the old saying “those who do not learn from the past are bound to repeat it” so the Children of the 21st Century can demonstrate how the Labor and Management can work together to improve “The Corporation.” Because though the pades pf tommorrow are not writen in stone, knowing the Baby Boomers have the final word on if they will pass onto their grandchildren a better world or a life of doom and gloom. I do understand where most Americans will draw the line given a level political playing field.

Posted by: Henry Schlatman at September 19, 2010 8:24 PM
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